As far as I know, the LDS doesn't ever sell films, only rent them. Where there are no Family History Centers, I know that sometimes they allow libraries to hold and let patrons use films in the libraries. NARA and various private companies have microfilms for sale. NARA also has a rental program, as I recall, and you can also request some film via Inter-Library Loan in some larger libraries with microfilm and/or microfiche readers. I've borrowed newspapers on microfilm through my largest local library, for instance. Unless you can borrow without cost from a nearby library, the LDS is the lowest-cost option. See: http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html http://www.proquest.com/products_hq/ http://www.cyndislist.com/micro.htm HTH, Valorie On Monday 28 January 2008 4:05:12 pm Lynda L. Jones wrote: > Valorie, > > Do you know how to purchase the microfilms? I've heard there's a way to do > it online, but I never have been able to find it. > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valorie > Zimmerman > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:38 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] Finding research microfilm > > On Sunday 27 January 2008 2:46:26 pm someone wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > > > WHere are the microfilm available for these cities? > > I haven't posted the link for awhile for the tutorial about using the > FamilySearch locality search: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.h >t ml > > if you don't know much about the LDS Family History Centers, be sure to > click > the link about that near the bottom. > > So much is coming online these days, but soooooo much more is on microfilm, > and not online.

Dear List Members, I am new to this list and I am hoping that I can find some information concerning my family. My family name is Serve.My Grandfather was Andreas [Andrew] Serve and he immigrated to the USA in - pass port date - 14 February 1888 from Cham Kolmberg Bavaria Germany. Two of his sisters came at a later date. Family legend, from families in Germany, has it that the original Serve - Johann Georg Serve - served in the war of Napoleon Bonaparte in about 1800. After which he lived in Bavaria and the family continues to live there even today. It is believed that the Serve name is French and that the original Serve may have came from the Alsace area. I am of the thinking that the name may be more Latin or Roman in origin. If there is anyone out there that would have information about the Serve and their origins, I would love to hear from you. I know that there are other Serve families out there as I see the name every now and then. Best wishes, Anna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM

Hello A-L readers, I am stumped about finding the descendants of my great grandfather, Lucas DECKER's siblings. Lucas immigrated to the US in 1866. I would like to contact any relatives from the family who may be living today in Germany or France. Four siblings remained in Germany as far as I know. Two sisters were unmarried and had no children as of the 1870's. Two others, Valentin DECKER and Helena DECKER SCHMID may have settled in Strasbourg. Their parents were Johann Nepomek DECKER and Zazelia SCHREMP of Holzwald, Rippoldsau, Baden. I have two family photos of men done by Strasbourg photographers. One is hand-marked "Albert SCHMID, husband of Helen Decker". The back has printing that includes the photographer, "I. (or J) Gerschel aine" and two addresses, "46, Rue Du Vieux Marche' Aux Vins, Alter Weinmarkt 46" and "Rue Du Jeu Des Enfants 56, Kinderspielgasse 56". (addresses repeated in both French and German?) The young man in the photo wears a military uniform with a standing collar, two rows of four buttons down the chest and a leather belt. The man in the second photo is not identified, but strongly resembles Lucas. I'm guessing it's Valentin DECKER. He appears well dressed with a long coat and top hat. The photographer is identified as "Firmin Laveissiere, 3 Rue Rochechouart, Maison des Bains au 2me Etage". To focus on Helena DECKER first, what I know is her birth, 16 August, 1834 in Rippoldsau, Baden, Germany. She married Mathias (not Albert) SCHMID, 28 October, 1858 and they had a son, Edward, born 1 Sept. 1859. The family was Catholic. Valentin DECKER was born 1833 and married Franziska KIMMIG, born 1834. The Rippoldsau church records include children of this marriage: Apollonia, b 1858; Sigmund, b 1859; Augustin, b 1860; Caecilia, b 1862; Lorenz, b 1863; Gordian, b 1864 and Christina, b 1866. They were Catholic. The trail ends here. Does anyone have ideas that could help me? I would appreciate any suggestions on finding out more about Valentin and Helena's families. Anna Decker Bablak

I just wanted to give a huge THANK YOU to the many individuals on the list that helped with translation issues and provided overall guidance in finding French records. This list is truely wonderful! Michelle

Sorry for my spotty attendance to list business; my internet connection was getting steadily worse for the last few days, and finally died the other night. Fortunately, they were able to fix it today (all new wiring and new cable modem)! This list is absolutely wonderful, but occasionally we wander off-topic, or make unfounded assertions. Please: 1. resist the temptation to continue off-topic 2. do not take umbrage at statements you know to be untrue and 3. do not take any of this personally. If you see an off-topic post, please reply privately to the poster if you must. OR, if you see a way to reply and bring it back on topic, as Gloria recently and deftly did -- thanks, Gloria! -- please do that. Otherwise, write me at the admin address and bring it to my attention and I'll take care of it if I haven't already. Alsace-Lorraine-admin@rootsweb.com If you see statements you know to be untrue, kindly post information (not insults) with the correct information. Sometimes people are misinformed, but "a soft answer turneth away wrath." Finally, don't forget our wonderful archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com With that one magic address, you can browse the list, or search just this list, or all the lists, or a certain subset of them in the advanced searches. Valorie

Richard, I tried to answer your e-mail, but it bounced back that you have an illegal alias. Please see my response below. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . _____ The original message was received at 2008-01-29 19:42:39 -0500 from postoffice.local [10.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <mcadict@comcast.net> -----Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to postoffice.local.: >>> RCPT To:<mcadict@comcast.net> <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: mcadict@comcast.net 550 <mcadict@comcast.net>... User unknown -----Original Message----- From: Lynda L. Jones [mailto:lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:27 PM To: RAM Subject: RE: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Richard, That was said with humor. You're way off base here. Best wishes, Lynda _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: RAM [mailto:mcadict@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:24 PM To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Given your comment, "Watch what you say about the Germans!" Please do not address yourself to me again. Thank you. On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > "My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and > French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced > the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution." > > "So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but > less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no > signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a > significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this > country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the > colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place > name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German > language." > > > In England, the American Revolution was referred to as the > "Presbyterian" > Revolution. > > Watch what you say about the Germans! We were the pioneers who > went out, > cleared the land, and created settlements. > > Boy, are we going to get in trouble for straying off topic. > > [Hi, Ewald and Etienne!] > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RAM [mailto:mcadict@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:55 PM > To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > > Given the numbers that Lynda provided, the German population was > approximately 2.5% of the total population in the colonies in the > 1770's and most of those were in one colony. > > I've looked here http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/ > index.htm for the 56 signers & their birthplaces: > > Born in: > the colonies 48 > Germany 0 > France 0 > England 2 > Ireland 3 > Wales 1 > Scotland 2 > > I don't identify any of the last names of the signers as anything > other than English/Irish/Scotch with the possible exception of > Clymer. The Pennsylvania signers were Clymer, Morris, Rush, Smith, > Taylor, Franklin, Morton, Ross, & Wilson -- a rather Anglo bunch of > names. > > My rusty recollection of U.S. History is that it was English and > French, not German, political thought and philosophy that influenced > the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation & the Constitution. > > So, whereas perhaps a third of the settlers in PA were German but > less than 3% of the population in the colonies as a whole and no > signers claimed a German birthplace, it's difficult to see to see a > significant German influence in the founding & shaping of this > country. I haven't done a search of 1770's place names in the > colonies but I'm not familiar with anything more than a rare place > name in New England that seems to have its origin in the German > language. > > That there was ever a vote taken in the latter part of the 1700's to > determine the official language of the new country seems a bit far > fetched given the backgrounds of the signers. > > Richard > > On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > >> "I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any >> population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers >> in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers?" >> >> Richard, >> >> You'll find that info on the Ships' Palatine Passenger Lists: >> [1727-1775] >> >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7010/shiplists_pa003.html >> >> His total is 65,040. >> >> The total population of the US in 1776 was 2,527,450. >> >> http://www.populationinstitute.org/newsroom/population-news/?id=42 >> >> There were Germans and Swiss living here before 1727, but I can't >> find a >> number for that. The bulk of the Germans and Swiss came during >> this period >> of 1727-1775. >> >> Best wishes, >> Lynda Jones >> Bloomsburg, PA USA >> >> P.S. I'm renovating an old house preparing to put it up for sale. >> If I owe >> anyone a response, I'll get to it eventually. I'm basically >> reading only >> the top 5 or 10 e-mails in my Inbox, then I'm off to sand, paint, >> etc. >> >> _____ >> >> >> . >> Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts >> >> Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, >> Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von >> Uttenrodt, >> Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn >> Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith >> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine- >> L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- >> LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I got to it by doing the Google search. Here's a tinyurl link for it: http://tinyurl.com/3yd6gc Reading it requires a NYTimes (free) account. Best wishes, Lynda _____ . Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: Gloria Ishida [mailto:gfb-ishida@gol.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:31 AM To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] an interesting Alsace reference 1922 New York Times I brought it up on google (Safari) and it went directly. I googled US town total Alsatian immigrants; it is seventh on the first page listing. Gloria On 1 28, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > Gloria, > > That link didn't work. I tried to patch together the broken link, but > that > still didn't work. Try using Tinyurl to shorten it: > > http://tinyurl.com/ > > If you use the Firefox browser, there's a nifty little add-on that will > create a tinyurl with a right click of the mouse. > > Also, with the NY Times, they send their articles to archives and they > become inaccessible after a while or only available by paying to read > it. > However, if you use the Permalink function, you can post an article > that > will be able to be read until eternity. > > Best wishes, > Lynda > > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gloria Ishida > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:56 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] an interesting Alsace reference 1922 New York Times > > > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html? > res=9501E1DA1339E133A25752C2A9639C946395D6CF > > > Domaine de Curé > Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse > near Carcassonne, France > Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida > http://www.domaine-cure.com/ > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Hi, Richard. Just do some research on the Pennsylvania German pioneers. Best wishes, Lynda ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith -----Original Message----- From: RAM [mailto:mcadict@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:32 PM To: lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com Cc: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research On Jan 27, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: We were the pioneers who went out, cleared the land, and created settlements. Lynda, Do you have a source for this -- the names of the settlements & in which colony they were located? To what time frame are you referring? Richard

Hello, According to information at http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=m001063 Frederick Augustus Conrad Muhlenberg, while born in the US of parents who immigrated, studied theology at the University of Halle in Germany and served as a pastor, like his father and brothers, before entering the political arena. While what is written in the "german.about ..." site telling the legend of Muhlenberg's casting the deciding vote against German becoming the official language, there follows a statement apart from the legend reference, "despite his [Muhlenberg] background he apparently spoke little German himself. Given his family, pastoral and academic background I doubt the veracity of that. He may have used English more as his political career advanced but I bet German was certainly his mother tongue and that he remained fluent. Gloria Ishida On 1 29, 2008, at 1:28 PM, RAM wrote: > Greetings, > > I've been intrigued by the comments that German almost became the > official language of the U.S. -- that a vote was taken that failed by > one vote -- that the signers of the Declaration of Independence > required or directed that the Declaration be printed in German. > > Desiring some documentation for this, I searched the 'net and have > read several accounts of the origin of this idea. The first two sites > listed below, when combined, seem to provide a detailed account. > > However, one can not see the first site as completely unbiased. It > is the site of U.S. English, the organization founded by S.I. > Hayakawa in the early 1980's to promote English as the common > official language of the U.S. Given that awareness, I would still > recommend it. > > > http://www.usenglish.org/foundation/issues/german.asp > > http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa010820b.htm > > > Other sites that discuss this topic: > > > http://german.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http:// > www.watzmann.net/scg/german%252Dby%252Done%252Dvote.html > > http://german.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www% > 2Dlib.iupui.edu/kade/adams/chap7.html > > > > > Richard > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Hi Mary, sorry, I have a tendency to write in the narrative. First of all, my Carabin family were long from Lutzelbourg and there were two marriages with the Bours (Bauer) who were in Phalsbourg. The Bour family were originally from Vexincour and then Gresswiler (2nd. marriage to M. Fuger when Pierre Bour (soldier) was a soldier living in the Baraques du Bois de Chene (outskirts of Phalsbourg). M. Fuger was living with or near her-brother-in-law in the same place., married in Phalsbourg. It was the son of Pierre I, Pierre II,who married Veronique Carabin of Lutzelbourg. so here was the case of a military connection to place. (This marriage took place in 1806). I have a family history of the Carabins passed on to me which includes research by "a member" of the "Carabin Club" (in France, I think). There is the "statement": "In the.17th and 18th centuries Lutzelbourg was in the Principality of Phalsboug. From the French Revolution until 1870 it was in the Department of Meurthe, and is now in the Department of Mozelle (sic)". It is even now listed as in the canton of Phalsbourg. I checked the distance between the two towns and found it to be 3.3. kilometers, which is virtually just down the road. I don't think you have a major problem. But it would be interesting to check about which parish church was the one of the family. It may have been on the border of the two towns or served by one priest. Presently in Phalsbourg: Eglise catholique de Trois-Maisons Rue de l’Ecole – Trois-Maisons Eglise catholique de Phalsbourg Place d’Armes These are served by the same priest, Abbé SCHWALLER. Looking at a map of the area Lutzelboug is north of Phalsbourg and "Trois Maisons" is in between. I could not find any church inLutzelbourg and I wouldn't be surprised if the Church Tois Maisons wasn't a common one in days gone by. Hope this helps a little. Gloria Ishida On 1 29, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Mary Lavins wrote: > Hi Gloria. > > I come (apparently, and to my surprise!) from several generations of > Dreyer from Lutzelbourg. I always thought my great grandfather > Charles Dreyer was from Phalsbourg (that's the only detail he wrote in > a civil war pension application here). I've since learned it must > have been Lutzelbourg, which is the next town over, basically. The > towns probably blurred together in the woods. > > I have a Register Report shared to me recently with much detail about > a line of Lutzelbourg Dreyers. The birth date of Charles Dreyer > matches mine exactly. Many of them appeared to be weavers. Here's > the lineage I've been given recently, which might be mine: > > (possibly) Andre Dreyer married Elisabeth Barbaras (or > Barbe) > > Daniel Dreyer, b 17??, married Marie Didon in 1726 in > Mittlebronn > > Jean Dreyer, b 1733, married Anne Marie Soisson in 1759 in > Lutzelbourg > > Jean Dreyer, b about 1760, married Marie Catherine Berger > in 1787 in Lutzelbourg > > Antoine Dreyer, b 1802 in Lutzelbourg, married Catherine > Berger in 1825 in Lutzelbourg > > Charles Dreyer, b 31 May 1837 in Lutzelbourg, emigrated to > Philadelphia PA around 1855, married there in 1863 to Catherine > Reimel, daughter of Nicholas Reimel and Marie Eve > Senz, from Phalsbourg, who also both emigrated to Phila. Nicholas > (her father) was a shoemaker and came from a long line of > Reimels from Phalsbourg. > > I have more detail about the various families if you want to compare. > It's a great Register Report. Let me know who your people were. > > Wish I understood why he said "Phalsbourg" on his civil war pension > application rather than Lutzelbourg! (maybe he just thought about > his wife's family... they were all from Phalsbourg!) > > Mary > > > > > Subject: Re: [A-L] Lutzelbourg or Phalsbourg, Lorraine? > > > Hello Mary, > > Ancestors on my paternal side came to the US from Lorraine in in 1828.. > Both Lutzelbourg and Phalsbourg. I'll check my files as soon as I can > and let you know what I don't remember off hand. > > What was your great grandfather's name? Was the family Catholic? Mine > were. > > > Gloria Ishida > > On 1 28, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Mary Lavins wrote: > >> Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in >> "Lutzelbourg" and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from >> "Lutzelbourg" would have stated "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in >> the US? >> >> I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the >> borders were transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt >> they were from "both" towns"? >> >> Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger >> population than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the >> town name Phalsbourg was more recognizable? I can't find >> statistics that confirm this.... the populations of each town around >> 1850 (he emigrated in 1855). Would anyone know where I could find >> such population data? >> >> I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new >> information strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to why >> he might have said "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here in the >> US. >> >> This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. >> >> >> >> >> responses to: mlavins@optonline.net >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Domaine de Curé > Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse > near Carcassonne, France > Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida > http://www.domaine-cure.com/ > > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Gloria Ishida did. Gloria On 1 29, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > YES! That's it! I remember reading about that Moch family! Now, > tell me . > . . did someone on this board post it? I'm going to be really > embarrassed > if they did. Even more embarrassed because I wanted to post it! > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sunshine49 > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:00 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] Alsatian Jewish Community Ohio > > > Is this what a member was looking for, about an Alsatian community in > the US? > > Nancy > > ------- > Believe those who seek the truth; > Doubt those who find it. > > -Andre Gide > > > >> >> from www.kentuckypress.com/prshevitz_cities.doc >> >> "The University Press of Kentucky, July 13, 2007 >> A Quick Glance at Unique Jewish Communities Along the Ohio >> >> Gallipolis Ohio- Founded in 1790 as 'the city of the Gauls' by a >> small group of refugees from the French Revolution, the Jews in >> this small community hailed from the Alsace region of France. The >> community is renowned for its high proportion of Alsatian landsmen >> accustomed to small village life in Europe, though they only >> numbered five percent of the total Jewish population at that time. >> The town was also home to the Moch family, one of the wealthiest >> Jewish families in eighteenth-century Alsace." > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

-----Message d'origine----- De : Jean-Paul MARCHAL [mailto:jemarchal@wanadoo.fr] Envoye : mardi 29 janvier 2008 09:39 A : gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; fra-lorraine@rootsweb.com Objet : RE: [LORRAINE] "Ville" ? You're right, there is a Ville (with an acute accent on the letter e) but there is another city named Ville (without any accent) located in the departement Oise, between Compiegne and Noyon, close to Noyon. Now, have a look at http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=frazier&client=cd ip and you'll find that the name FRAZIER comes from the two departements Oise and Aisne mostly.... Additionally, go to http://www.geneanet.org/ type frazier in "patronyme" and ville in "commune" and you'll find someone having some FRAZIER from Ville in his or her line. Back to http://www.geneanet.org/ , go to "recherche par lieu" and type frazier in "patronyme", then look for FRA (France) in "Pays", for PIC (Picardie) in "region", for F60-Oise in "sous-region", finally click on "rechercher"...and good search !!! Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr> -----Message d'origine----- De : fra-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fra-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Envoye : mardi 29 janvier 2008 07:23 A : FRA-LORRAINE-L@rootsweb.com Objet : [LORRAINE] "Ville" ? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RickBratt Surnames: FRAZIER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.weurope.france.lorraine/822/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Civil War records showing the death of my GGG-Grandfather, George Frazier, in Cold Harbor, Virginia in 1864. His death certificate showed his place of birth as "Ville", France. I haven't been able to track anything further other than a village called Ville near Strasbourg in the Alsace-Lorraine region. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm loathe to pay someone to research for me (I do this for the fun of it)but am willing to try anything with this dead end. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRA-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte.

Hello Mary, Ancestors on my paternal side came to the US from Lorraine in in 1828.. Both Lutzelbourg and Phalsbourg. I'll check my files as soon as I can and let you know what I don't remember off hand. What was your great grandfather's name? Was the family Catholic? Mine were. Gloria Ishida On 1 28, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Mary Lavins wrote: > Does anyone in the group have a theory as to why a person born in > "Lutzelbourg" and whose family (for at least 300 yrs) was from > "Lutzelbourg" would have stated "Phalsbourg" in a legal document in > the US? > > I know those towns are adjacent to each other, and I assume the > borders were transparent. Maybe that is the reason.... they felt > they were from "both" towns"? > > Would it be as simple as maybe one town (Phalsbourg?) had a larger > population than the other (Lutzelbourg?), and here in the US, the town > name Phalsbourg was more recognizable? I can't find statistics > that confirm this.... the populations of each town around 1850 (he > emigrated in 1855). Would anyone know where I could find such > population data? > > I believed my great grandfather was from Phlasbourg, but new > information strongly supports Lutzelbourg, and I'm curious as to why > he might have said "Phalsbourg" on a pension application here in the > US. > > This is a very helpful email list and I appreciate any thoughts. > > > > > responses to: mlavins@optonline.net > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Lynda and Gerry, With a few exceptions, LDS Microfilms from the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City may only be rented at your local LDS Family History Center. They may not leave the local Center. The Center has viewing and copying equipment for the patrons. There is no restriction on who may use the center (non-Mormons are welcome). There is an effort underway to digitize the microfilms and make them available online, but IMO that will take another 10 years. In addition, the indexing of the data on the microfilms is an ongoing effort. (BTW, they are still looking for extractors to index data on the microfilms.) The location of LDS Family History Centers all over the world can be found on the LDS FamilySearch website. The same website has an online catalog of all of the millions of microfilms in the Family History Library, in addition to the oldest and largest free online genealogy databases (linked family trees and BMD data). I am a non-Mormon librarian at a local LDS Family History Center. At 10:29 PM 1/28/2008, you wrote: >From: "Lynda L. Jones" <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> >Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >Valorie, > >Do you know how to purchase the microfilms? I've heard there's a way to do >it online, but I never have been able to find it. > >Best wishes, >Lynda Jones >Bloomsburg, PA USA >From: Gdhuhn@aol.com >Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > >Thanks Valorie, that was me. Everyone was giving all of those microfilm #'s >and being the amateur I am I didn't know where to find them. > >Gerry Huhn

When you look at the history of Immigration to the United States the Germans are the second largst ethnic group in the U.S. I believe if more than half came after the Revolution of 1848 there were a lot of them here before that date. Ed Surkosky ----- Original Message ----- From: "RAM" <mcadict@comcast.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research Ed, The book at this link http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/ amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF gives the following breakdown of the 1790 Census: "...the first U.S. Census in 1790. Estimates of the population’s ethnic origins indicated language diversity even at that time, when roughly half of the population was of English origin; nearly 19 percent was of African origin; 12 percent was Scottish or Scottish- Irish and Irish accounted for about 3 percent of the total. People of Dutch, French, and Spanish origin represented an aggregate 14 percent. The first U.S. Census largely ignored Native Americans. " Or was it a later time than 1790 to which you were referring when you wrote: "...according to census records the second largest group of immigrants to the U.S. were the Germans..." This source goes on to assert: "German was not able to hold its ground as a language of daily usage even in Pennsylvania, except within small Mennonite, Amish and other sectarian communities." Further on, this same source notes: "During both the War of Independence and the War of 1812, at times when anti-English feelings were running high, Americans of German descent comprised less than 9 percent of the total population of the United States. And even in Pennsylvania, where the Germans had settled most densely, they accounted for only a third of the entire population." I confused by the following sentence from you email: "...the second largest group of immigrants to the U.S. were the Germans and the bulk of them didn't arrive here after the surge in 1848." Did you mean: "...and the bulk of them didn't arrive here UNTIL after the surge in 1848." Or did you mean: "...the bulk of them didn't arrive here after the surge IN TOTAL IMMIGRATION in 1848." Or something all together different? Richard On Jan 28, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Edward T. Surkosky wrote: > I don't have any resources for the time of the colonies in the > 1770's. I > know that according to census records the second largest group of > immigrants > to the U.S. were the Germans and they bulk of them didn't arrive > here after > the surge in 1848. > > When one thinks of colonial America they think English, but the > time of the > Revolution it was Great Britain. Great Britain was the union of three > different countries --- England, Scotland and Ireland (I believe > Wales had > been part of England long before the Union) --- ruled by the German > Hannoverians. George I never spoke English. The English language and a > common religion dominated 2/3's of the Union. Here and in Great > Britain they > were tolerant of some religious sects but not all. English was spoken > everywhere but German and German newspapers were available, spoken > and used > in daily life and for religious purposes. > > Ed Surkosky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RAM" <mcadict@comcast.net> > To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Newspapers, Literacy and Genealogical Research > > >> Ed, >> >> I've looked around the 'net only briefly but did not come across any >> population numbers or percentage for German or Swiss-German settlers >> in the colonies in the 1770's. Have you seen any such numbers? >> >> Richard >> > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, I've been intrigued by the comments that German almost became the official language of the U.S. -- that a vote was taken that failed by one vote -- that the signers of the Declaration of Independence required or directed that the Declaration be printed in German. Desiring some documentation for this, I searched the 'net and have read several accounts of the origin of this idea. The first two sites listed below, when combined, seem to provide a detailed account. However, one can not see the first site as completely unbiased. It is the site of U.S. English, the organization founded by S.I. Hayakawa in the early 1980's to promote English as the common official language of the U.S. Given that awareness, I would still recommend it. http://www.usenglish.org/foundation/issues/german.asp http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa010820b.htm Other sites that discuss this topic: http://german.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http:// www.watzmann.net/scg/german%252Dby%252Done%252Dvote.html http://german.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www% 2Dlib.iupui.edu/kade/adams/chap7.html Richard

yes, it was posted here a week or so ago. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Lynda L. Jones wrote: > YES! That's it! I remember reading about that Moch family! Now, > tell me . > . . did someone on this board post it? I'm going to be really > embarrassed > if they did. Even more embarrassed because I wanted to post it! > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > > > _____ > > > . > Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts > Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, > Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von > Uttenrodt, > Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn > Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sunshine49 > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:00 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] Alsatian Jewish Community Ohio > > > Is this what a member was looking for, about an Alsatian community in > the US? > > Nancy > > ------- > Believe those who seek the truth; > Doubt those who find it. > > -Andre Gide > > > >> >> from www.kentuckypress.com/prshevitz_cities.doc >> >> "The University Press of Kentucky, July 13, 2007 >> A Quick Glance at Unique Jewish Communities Along the Ohio >> >> Gallipolis Ohio- Founded in 1790 as 'the city of the Gauls' by a >> small group of refugees from the French Revolution, the Jews in >> this small community hailed from the Alsace region of France. The >> community is renowned for its high proportion of Alsatian landsmen >> accustomed to small village life in Europe, though they only >> numbered five percent of the total Jewish population at that time. >> The town was also home to the Moch family, one of the wealthiest >> Jewish families in eighteenth-century Alsace." > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES! That's it! I remember reading about that Moch family! Now, tell me . . . did someone on this board post it? I'm going to be really embarrassed if they did. Even more embarrassed because I wanted to post it! Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sunshine49 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:00 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Alsatian Jewish Community Ohio Is this what a member was looking for, about an Alsatian community in the US? Nancy ------- Believe those who seek the truth; Doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide > > from www.kentuckypress.com/prshevitz_cities.doc > > "The University Press of Kentucky, July 13, 2007 > A Quick Glance at Unique Jewish Communities Along the Ohio > > Gallipolis Ohio- Founded in 1790 as 'the city of the Gauls' by a > small group of refugees from the French Revolution, the Jews in > this small community hailed from the Alsace region of France. The > community is renowned for its high proportion of Alsatian landsmen > accustomed to small village life in Europe, though they only > numbered five percent of the total Jewish population at that time. > The town was also home to the Moch family, one of the wealthiest > Jewish families in eighteenth-century Alsace." -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this what a member was looking for, about an Alsatian community in the US? Nancy ------- Believe those who seek the truth; Doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide > > from www.kentuckypress.com/prshevitz_cities.doc > > "The University Press of Kentucky, July 13, 2007 > A Quick Glance at Unique Jewish Communities Along the Ohio > > Gallipolis Ohio- Founded in 1790 as 'the city of the Gauls' by a > small group of refugees from the French Revolution, the Jews in > this small community hailed from the Alsace region of France. The > community is renowned for its high proportion of Alsatian landsmen > accustomed to small village life in Europe, though they only > numbered five percent of the total Jewish population at that time. > The town was also home to the Moch family, one of the wealthiest > Jewish families in eighteenth-century Alsace."

Supposedly today, the largest ethic group/ nationality that makes up America's population is German. German blood, not necessarily German settlements and enclaves. Nancy ------- Take the high road; it's less crowded.-- L. Pitts On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:00 PM, RAM wrote: > Ed, > > The book at this link http://www.us-english.org/foundation/research/ > amimmigr/Chapter5.PDF > gives the following breakdown of the 1790 Census: > > "...the first U.S. Census in 1790. Estimates of the population’s > ethnic origins indicated language diversity even at that time, when > roughly half of the population was of English origin; nearly 19 > percent was of African origin; 12 percent was Scottish or Scottish- > Irish and Irish accounted for about 3 percent of the total. People of > Dutch, French, and Spanish origin represented an aggregate 14 > percent. The first U.S. Census largely ignored Native Americans. " > > Or was it a later time than 1790 to which you were referring when you > wrote: > > "...according to census records the second largest group of > immigrants to the U.S. were the Germans..." > > This source goes on to assert: > > "German was not able to hold its ground as a language of daily usage > even in Pennsylvania, except within small Mennonite, Amish and other > sectarian communities." > > Further on, this same source notes: > > "During both the War of Independence and the War of 1812, at times > when anti-English feelings were running high, Americans of German > descent comprised less than 9 percent of the total population of the > United States. And even in Pennsylvania, where the Germans had > settled most densely, they accounted for only a third of the entire > population." > > I confused by the following sentence from you email: > > "...the second largest group of immigrants to the U.S. were the > Germans and the bulk of them didn't arrive here after the surge in > 1848." > > Did you mean: "...and the bulk of them didn't arrive here UNTIL > after the surge in 1848." > > Or did you mean: "...the bulk of them didn't arrive here > after the surge IN TOTAL IMMIGRATION in 1848." > > Or something all together different? > > Richard > >