Have you tried the groups that keep horse histories, rather than human genealogies? Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Feb 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, harand8479@aol.com wrote: > > One never knows how, when or where they will find the next bit of > information to perhaps knock down a brick wall................it is > a lesson in perserverance and not overlooking any little possibility. > > > > I have been searching for years in the Cincinnati area to find > further information on my great-grandfather and his trotter > horse?....."Proteine"........ > > > > The email below pertains to finding obituaries in the > newspapers.....just for the heck of it, I clicked on the "Fulton > County" > > link and searched for g-grandfather's name, because his only son > went?from Cincinnati to?New York about 1910..............what came > up were newspaper articles on the races his horse was in, in Utica, > Rochester, Buffalo, etc....................and here I had been > searching for that in the Kentucky/Ohio/Illinois race track > areas!?? He had been in the New York area racing the horse.? > > > I learned anew to take a few minutes and check out the links....and > want to thank the listers for this email chain ........ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda H. Gutierrez <lilacarlhg@amnet.co.cr> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 4:24 pm > Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries > > > > > Hi Valorie, > > I have two links I can give you for your Newspaper listing: > > for Rochester & Monroe County, New York transcriptions of obits and > news: > > Monroe County New York Early News http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonnws/ > > And for Western New York, (don't let the name fool you) copies of > the actual > newspapers from a large span of years offered in PDF format: > > Fulton History http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html > > Linda > in Costa Rica > Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > Monroe County, NY History > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valorie Zimmerman > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: 03 February, 2008 4:54 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries > > > On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: >> This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. >> >> Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they >> available >> anywhere? >> >> I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can >> find some >> from the 1800's to the present. >> >> Brab > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http:// > webmail.aol.com > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE- > LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Obituaries printed in Alsatian newspapers can be found in Strasbourg at the National Universitary Library (''Bibliothèque Nationale Universitaire de Strasbourg'') which keeps in his archives the newspaper published in Alsace-Lorraine, like: - Strassburger Neueste Nachrichten (now ''Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace'') since 1877 - Strassburger allerneueste Nachrichten - Strassburger neueste Nachrichten - Strassburger Volkszeitung - Strassburger Zeitung - Strassburger Bote and some other newspapers Ewald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giliane Bader-Wechseler" <gbw1@comcast.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries > Even if there were obituaries published in Alsace-Lorraine newspapers, I > think they may not have been archived. We may want to ask some of the > newspapers there if this has been done... > > > - Giliane > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mvicareo@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:18 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries > > > I have received obituaries of my great great grandmother and her husband > from the German archives when researching my German ancestry. They were > from > the late 1800's. I would imagine there must have been newspapers in > Alsace-Lorraine as well. > Maria > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Valorie Zimmerman <valoriez@zimres.net> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 5:54 am > Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries > On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: >> This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. >> >> Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they available >> anywhere? >> >> I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can find some >> from the 1800's to the present. >> >> Brab > > Hi, Barb, I never saw an answer to your question. You may be asking about > obituaries printed in Alsatian newspapers, and about that I have no info. > Some biographical information is being collected and presented by various > genealogical societies, but whether they are finding, indexing and > publishing > obits in particular, I do not know. > > But obits are an untapped source for many of our immigrants and their > children. They often subscribed to German language newspapers, and church > magazines which would have printed obits, which would be much more > complete, > > accurate and detailed than those printed in the English language > newspapers > of the time. It is worthwhile to do some research and find out what > newspapers might have been read by your ancestors -- likely places for > their > > descendants to have places obits and memorials. The local genealogical and > historical societies in the localities where your ancestors lived will > know > this information. > > For more background on this subject, see: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/newspapers.html -- this one needs > some > > more updated info -- anyone have anything to add to this? > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/death-records-obituaries-biographies.h > tml > > As always, please report any bad / updated links you find. And I'm always > looking for more helpful links. They are supplied by you, the researchers. > > Valorie > --

One never knows how, when or where they will find the next bit of information to perhaps knock down a brick wall................it is a lesson in perserverance and not overlooking any little possibility. I have been searching for years in the Cincinnati area to find further information on my great-grandfather and his trotter horse?....."Proteine"........ The email below pertains to finding obituaries in the newspapers.....just for the heck of it, I clicked on the "Fulton County" link and searched for g-grandfather's name, because his only son went?from Cincinnati to?New York about 1910..............what came up were newspaper articles on the races his horse was in, in Utica, Rochester, Buffalo, etc....................and here I had been searching for that in the Kentucky/Ohio/Illinois race track areas!?? He had been in the New York area racing the horse.? I learned anew to take a few minutes and check out the links....and want to thank the listers for this email chain ........ -----Original Message----- From: Linda H. Gutierrez <lilacarlhg@amnet.co.cr> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries Hi Valorie, I have two links I can give you for your Newspaper listing: for Rochester & Monroe County, New York transcriptions of obits and news: Monroe County New York Early News http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonnws/ And for Western New York, (don't let the name fool you) copies of the actual newspapers from a large span of years offered in PDF format: Fulton History http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Valorie Zimmerman To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: 03 February, 2008 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: > This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. > > Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they available > anywhere? > > I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can find some > from the 1800's to the present. > > Brab ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Sorry, Lynda, Iwork at my local family history center and the DEFINITELY do not sell any of the microfilm ...only rentals. joe wolfe los Angeles Calif.

Barb, I missed your question, too. If you are referring to, as Valorie mentioned, immigrants to the present, one might just have to go to the locality one's ancestors immigrated to. These obits were not all in German, depending on the place and the dates. I have had tremendous help from a personal "link" (human being , that is) I happened upon by "googling" (he collects obits!) but this might be difficult for many of us. Ancestry.com does have a large selection of newspapers - one has to put in a name to a certain newspaper in their archives. I did find, by chance, an obit which led me to the immigration, that of I was totally unaware of, of an ancestor. Another way is to check the area's genealogical resources. It's a matter of dig and search. Old newspapers in Alsace remain an unknown to me, too. Gloria Ishida Domaine de Curé Luxury Gîtes (vacation apartments) in centuries old farmhouse near Carcassonne, France Jean-Noël Ishida and Agathe Moréchand-Ishida http://www.domaine-cure.com/

Thanks, Charlie. I'm going to call the Family History Library this week to get to find out for sure and how to purchase them if they really do sell them. I'll let the group know. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:57 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Finding research microfilm I've been told that at least in France individuals, and a genealogy society AGAWE, have purchased the LDS films. AGAWE purchased some village films about 5-6 years ago but I can't recall the other person who stated the same. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valorie Zimmerman" <valoriez@zimres.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm > As far as I know, the LDS doesn't ever sell films, only rent them. Where > there > are no Family History Centers, I know that sometimes they allow libraries > to > hold and let patrons use films in the libraries. > > NARA and various private companies have microfilms for sale. NARA also has > a > rental program, as I recall, and you can also request some film via > Inter-Library Loan in some larger libraries with microfilm and/or > microfiche > readers. I've borrowed newspapers on microfilm through my largest local > library, for instance. > > Unless you can borrow without cost from a nearby library, the LDS is the > lowest-cost option. See: > > http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html > > http://www.proquest.com/products_hq/ > > http://www.cyndislist.com/micro.htm > > HTH, > > Valorie > > On Monday 28 January 2008 4:05:12 pm Lynda L. Jones wrote: > >> Valorie, >> >> Do you know how to purchase the microfilms? I've heard there's a way to >> do >> it online, but I never have been able to find it. >> >> Best wishes, >> Lynda Jones >> Bloomsburg, PA USA > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valorie >> Zimmerman >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:38 PM >> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >> >> On Sunday 27 January 2008 2:46:26 pm someone wrote: >> > Hi Everyone: >> > >> > WHere are the microfilm available for these cities? >> >> I haven't posted the link for awhile for the tutorial about using the >> FamilySearch locality search: >> >> http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.h >>t ml >> >> if you don't know much about the LDS Family History Centers, be sure to >> click >> the link about that near the bottom. >> >> So much is coming online these days, but soooooo much more is on >> microfilm, >> and not online. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valorie, I have two links I can give you for your Newspaper listing: for Rochester & Monroe County, New York transcriptions of obits and news: Monroe County New York Early News http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymonnws/ And for Western New York, (don't let the name fool you) copies of the actual newspapers from a large span of years offered in PDF format: Fulton History http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Valorie Zimmerman To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: 03 February, 2008 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: > This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. > > Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they available > anywhere? > > I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can find some > from the 1800's to the present. > > Brab Hi, Barb, I never saw an answer to your question. You may be asking about obituaries printed in Alsatian newspapers, and about that I have no info. Some biographical information is being collected and presented by various genealogical societies, but whether they are finding, indexing and publishing obits in particular, I do not know. But obits are an untapped source for many of our immigrants and their children. They often subscribed to German language newspapers, and church magazines which would have printed obits, which would be much more complete, accurate and detailed than those printed in the English language newspapers of the time. It is worthwhile to do some research and find out what newspapers might have been read by your ancestors -- likely places for their descendants to have places obits and memorials. The local genealogical and historical societies in the localities where your ancestors lived will know this information. For more background on this subject, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/newspapers.html -- this one needs some more updated info -- anyone have anything to add to this? http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/death-records-obituaries-biographies.html As always, please report any bad / updated links you find. And I'm always looking for more helpful links. They are supplied by you, the researchers. Valorie -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try the following site http://www.geneanet.org/ and type "serve" in "patronyme" Good search ! Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr> -----Message d'origine----- De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Bob Klenda Envoye : vendredi 1 fevrier 2008 21:51 A : ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Objet : [A-L] Serve family Dear List Members, I am new to this list and I am hoping that I can find some information concerning my family. My family name is Serve.My Grandfather was Andreas [Andrew] Serve and he immigrated to the USA in - pass port date - 14 February 1888 from Cham Kolmberg Bavaria Germany. Two of his sisters came at a later date. Family legend, from families in Germany, has it that the original Serve - Johann Georg Serve - served in the war of Napoleon Bonaparte in about 1800. After which he lived in Bavaria and the family continues to live there even today. It is believed that the Serve name is French and that the original Serve may have came from the Alsace area. I am of the thinking that the name may be more Latin or Roman in origin. If there is anyone out there that would have information about the Serve and their origins, I would love to hear from you. I know that there are other Serve families out there as I see the name every now and then. Best wishes, Anna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte.

Even if there were obituaries published in Alsace-Lorraine newspapers, I think they may not have been archived. We may want to ask some of the newspapers there if this has been done... - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mvicareo@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:18 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries I have received obituaries of my great great grandmother and her husband from the German archives when researching my German ancestry. They were from the late 1800's. I would imagine there must have been newspapers in Alsace-Lorraine as well. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Valorie Zimmerman <valoriez@zimres.net> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 5:54 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: > This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. > > Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they available > anywhere? > > I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can find some > from the 1800's to the present. > > Brab Hi, Barb, I never saw an answer to your question. You may be asking about obituaries printed in Alsatian newspapers, and about that I have no info. Some biographical information is being collected and presented by various genealogical societies, but whether they are finding, indexing and publishing obits in particular, I do not know. But obits are an untapped source for many of our immigrants and their children. They often subscribed to German language newspapers, and church magazines which would have printed obits, which would be much more complete, accurate and detailed than those printed in the English language newspapers of the time. It is worthwhile to do some research and find out what newspapers might have been read by your ancestors -- likely places for their descendants to have places obits and memorials. The local genealogical and historical societies in the localities where your ancestors lived will know this information. For more background on this subject, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/newspapers.html -- this one needs some more updated info -- anyone have anything to add to this? http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/death-records-obituaries-biographies.h tml As always, please report any bad / updated links you find. And I'm always looking for more helpful links. They are supplied by you, the researchers. Valorie -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM

Lynda, This is awful... I hope the lister who did this, without realizing her mistake, will self-identify directly to you to help fix the problem. In the meantime the link is as follows: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ALSACE-LORRAINE If you get the same message, just scroll down and the link to access archives is there. - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynda L. Jones Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:04 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Browse the ALSACE-LORRAINE archives doesn't work I'm trying to find a particular message from a woman who sent a message to me and the group to stop sending messages. I believe she reported me for spamming (although my spam e-mail received went through the roof when I started posting on this list). I have been unable to correspond with Hotmail accounts since she did that. I am now having to call my family long distance and send documents through the mail to them, which has increased our household costs quite a bit. When I click on the link to browse the archives (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm), I get this: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ALSACE-LORRAINE The page you requested does not exist. If you were attempting to go to a particular month's mailing list archive and ended up here, there is a good chance that there were no messages for that month. It could also be that you have mistyped the name of the mailing list you were looking for. Useful resources for finding a mailing list and its archives: Mailing List Archive Mailing List Archive Search RootsWeb Mailing List Index Searching in the main archives for her message brings up way too many pages. Does anyone know how to view the archives? Where is it buried? Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM

I have received obituaries of my great great grandmother and her husband from the German archives when researching my German ancestry. They were from the late 1800's. I would imagine there must have been newspapers in Alsace-Lorraine as well. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Valorie Zimmerman <valoriez@zimres.net> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 5:54 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Obituaries On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: > This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. > > Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they available > anywhere? > > I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can find some > from the 1800's to the present. > > Brab Hi, Barb, I never saw an answer to your question. You may be asking about obituaries printed in Alsatian newspapers, and about that I have no info. Some biographical information is being collected and presented by various genealogical societies, but whether they are finding, indexing and publishing obits in particular, I do not know. But obits are an untapped source for many of our immigrants and their children. They often subscribed to German language newspapers, and church magazines which would have printed obits, which would be much more complete, accurate and detailed than those printed in the English language newspapers of the time. It is worthwhile to do some research and find out what newspapers might have been read by your ancestors -- likely places for their descendants to have places obits and memorials. The local genealogical and historical societies in the localities where your ancestors lived will know this information. For more background on this subject, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/newspapers.html -- this one needs some more updated info -- anyone have anything to add to this? http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/death-records-obituaries-biographies.html As always, please report any bad / updated links you find. And I'm always looking for more helpful links. They are supplied by you, the researchers. Valorie -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

This woman said she purchased it. I did have a conversation with her about whether she owned a reader, and she said she picked one up on eBay. She definitely purchased FHL records because she was the one who taught me how to find the records in the first place. It's been a few years, and I no longer have her e-mails and there weren't any records I was interested in purchasing at the time. Is it possible that an eBay seller was somehow duplicating FHL records on fiche or reels? I thought, however, she said that there was some way on the website to arrange for purchase. I certainly haven't found it. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: Fred and Jacquie Schattner [mailto:eatatfreds@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 10:57 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com; 'Lynda L. Jones' Subject: RE: [A-L] Finding research microfilm I agree. The films are not sold, but are on indefinite rental. If you think you are going to have trouble disciphering, the LDS center probably has the equipment to print the documents you need on paper for a nominal fee - maybe 25cents a copy, then you can look at them for all the time you want. Or take them to someone who can read the writing. I am Lutheran, so I asked some of the retired people from my church, who were originally from Germany and they loved to translate for me. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred H Held Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:39 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com; Lynda L. Jones Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm Lynda, As a librarian at a local LDS Family History Center, I have never seen any option to "purchase" microfilms from the FHL in Salt Lake City. Perhaps you are confusing "purchasing" with "indefinite rental." Microfilm rentals may be rented 2 more times (total of 3 consecutive rentals at US$5.50 + some FHCs also charge a handling charge) and, if the FHC has storage (local option), the microfilms can be placed on "indefinite rental" and permanently stored at the FHC (meaning may be used by any patron but they may not leave the FHC). Microfiche are paid for once at US$0.15 each and are immediately on "indefinite rental" At 08:58 AM 2/3/2008, you wrote: >From: "Lynda L. Jones" <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> >Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >No, they do sell them. A woman on one of my other genealogy lists (can't >remember which one) purchased several reels from them and was doing lookups. >I didn't have an interest in purchasing any at the time, but now I do. They >have the church records for my family. We have a local Family History >Center, but it only has limited evening hours (a few hours once or twice a >week) and is out in the farmlands. I can't get to it, and, even if I could, >the hours are so limited that it would be difficult to decipher the old >German script in that amount of time. > >Best wishes, >Lynda Jones >Bloomsburg, PA USA -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm trying to find a particular message from a woman who sent a message to me and the group to stop sending messages. I believe she reported me for spamming (although my spam e-mail received went through the roof when I started posting on this list). I have been unable to correspond with Hotmail accounts since she did that. I am now having to call my family long distance and send documents through the mail to them, which has increased our household costs quite a bit. When I click on the link to browse the archives (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm), I get this: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ALSACE-LORRAINE The page you requested does not exist. If you were attempting to go to a particular month's mailing list archive and ended up here, there is a good chance that there were no messages for that month. It could also be that you have mistyped the name of the mailing list you were looking for. Useful resources for finding a mailing list and its archives: Mailing List Archive Mailing List Archive Search RootsWeb Mailing List Index Searching in the main archives for her message brings up way too many pages. Does anyone know how to view the archives? Where is it buried? Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith

I've been told that at least in France individuals, and a genealogy society AGAWE, have purchased the LDS films. AGAWE purchased some village films about 5-6 years ago but I can't recall the other person who stated the same. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valorie Zimmerman" <valoriez@zimres.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm > As far as I know, the LDS doesn't ever sell films, only rent them. Where > there > are no Family History Centers, I know that sometimes they allow libraries > to > hold and let patrons use films in the libraries. > > NARA and various private companies have microfilms for sale. NARA also has > a > rental program, as I recall, and you can also request some film via > Inter-Library Loan in some larger libraries with microfilm and/or > microfiche > readers. I've borrowed newspapers on microfilm through my largest local > library, for instance. > > Unless you can borrow without cost from a nearby library, the LDS is the > lowest-cost option. See: > > http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html > > http://www.proquest.com/products_hq/ > > http://www.cyndislist.com/micro.htm > > HTH, > > Valorie > > On Monday 28 January 2008 4:05:12 pm Lynda L. Jones wrote: > >> Valorie, >> >> Do you know how to purchase the microfilms? I've heard there's a way to >> do >> it online, but I never have been able to find it. >> >> Best wishes, >> Lynda Jones >> Bloomsburg, PA USA > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valorie >> Zimmerman >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:38 PM >> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >> >> On Sunday 27 January 2008 2:46:26 pm someone wrote: >> > Hi Everyone: >> > >> > WHere are the microfilm available for these cities? >> >> I haven't posted the link for awhile for the tutorial about using the >> FamilySearch locality search: >> >> http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.h >>t ml >> >> if you don't know much about the LDS Family History Centers, be sure to >> click >> the link about that near the bottom. >> >> So much is coming online these days, but soooooo much more is on >> microfilm, >> and not online. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree. The films are not sold, but are on indefinite rental. If you think you are going to have trouble disciphering, the LDS center probably has the equipment to print the documents you need on paper for a nominal fee - maybe 25cents a copy, then you can look at them for all the time you want. Or take them to someone who can read the writing. I am Lutheran, so I asked some of the retired people from my church, who were originally from Germany and they loved to translate for me. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred H Held Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:39 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com; Lynda L. Jones Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm Lynda, As a librarian at a local LDS Family History Center, I have never seen any option to "purchase" microfilms from the FHL in Salt Lake City. Perhaps you are confusing "purchasing" with "indefinite rental." Microfilm rentals may be rented 2 more times (total of 3 consecutive rentals at US$5.50 + some FHCs also charge a handling charge) and, if the FHC has storage (local option), the microfilms can be placed on "indefinite rental" and permanently stored at the FHC (meaning may be used by any patron but they may not leave the FHC). Microfiche are paid for once at US$0.15 each and are immediately on "indefinite rental" At 08:58 AM 2/3/2008, you wrote: >From: "Lynda L. Jones" <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> >Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >No, they do sell them. A woman on one of my other genealogy lists (can't >remember which one) purchased several reels from them and was doing lookups. >I didn't have an interest in purchasing any at the time, but now I do. They >have the church records for my family. We have a local Family History >Center, but it only has limited evening hours (a few hours once or twice a >week) and is out in the farmlands. I can't get to it, and, even if I could, >the hours are so limited that it would be difficult to decipher the old >German script in that amount of time. > >Best wishes, >Lynda Jones >Bloomsburg, PA USA -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynda, As a librarian at a local LDS Family History Center, I have never seen any option to "purchase" microfilms from the FHL in Salt Lake City. Perhaps you are confusing "purchasing" with "indefinite rental." Microfilm rentals may be rented 2 more times (total of 3 consecutive rentals at US$5.50 + some FHCs also charge a handling charge) and, if the FHC has storage (local option), the microfilms can be placed on "indefinite rental" and permanently stored at the FHC (meaning may be used by any patron but they may not leave the FHC). Microfiche are paid for once at US$0.15 each and are immediately on "indefinite rental" At 08:58 AM 2/3/2008, you wrote: >From: "Lynda L. Jones" <lynda@houseofwaterdancer.com> >Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm >To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > >No, they do sell them. A woman on one of my other genealogy lists (can't >remember which one) purchased several reels from them and was doing lookups. >I didn't have an interest in purchasing any at the time, but now I do. They >have the church records for my family. We have a local Family History >Center, but it only has limited evening hours (a few hours once or twice a >week) and is out in the farmlands. I can't get to it, and, even if I could, >the hours are so limited that it would be difficult to decipher the old >German script in that amount of time. > >Best wishes, >Lynda Jones >Bloomsburg, PA USA

Anna, When you look at the following link http://www.geopatronyme.com/ you have confirmation that SERVE is a French name, and that it is not uncommon and found throughout many departements in France. You will need to find additional information about the fellow who served under Napoleon to pinpoint the exact location of his original village. Best, - Giliane -----Message d'origine----- De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Bob Klenda Envoye : vendredi 1 fevrier 2008 21:51 A : ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Objet : [A-L] Serve family Dear List Members, I am new to this list and I am hoping that I can find some information concerning my family. My family name is Serve.My Grandfather was Andreas [Andrew] Serve and he immigrated to the USA in - pass port date - 14 February 1888 from Cham Kolmberg Bavaria Germany. Two of his sisters came at a later date. Family legend, from families in Germany, has it that the original Serve - Johann Georg Serve - served in the war of Napoleon Bonaparte in about 1800. After which he lived in Bavaria and the family continues to live there even today. It is believed that the Serve name is French and that the original Serve may have came from the Alsace area. I am of the thinking that the name may be more Latin or Roman in origin. If there is anyone out there that would have information about the Serve and their origins, I would love to hear from you. I know that there are other Serve families out there as I see the name every now and then. Best wishes, Anna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM

Yesterday, our local PBS (public broadcasting) station had Rick Steves in Alsace. I wasn't able to watch the whole program, but what I saw was quite informative. Here are some links to Rick Steves' Alsace programming: http://www.ricksteves.com/tvr/alsacerse103c_descr.htm http://www.ricksteves.com/tvr/alsacerse103c_scr.htm transcript The video is available online at: http://www.travelvideostore.com/index.php?cPath=1632_1633 cost: $9.99 Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA Weberstedt, Thüringen, Germany – home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith

No, they do sell them. A woman on one of my other genealogy lists (can't remember which one) purchased several reels from them and was doing lookups. I didn't have an interest in purchasing any at the time, but now I do. They have the church records for my family. We have a local Family History Center, but it only has limited evening hours (a few hours once or twice a week) and is out in the farmlands. I can't get to it, and, even if I could, the hours are so limited that it would be difficult to decipher the old German script in that amount of time. Best wishes, Lynda Jones Bloomsburg, PA USA _____ . Weberstedt, Thuringen, Germany - home of the Uttrodts Family names: Brong, Freitag, von Freitag, Miller, Prang, Savino, Schueller, Uetterodt, von Uetterodt, Utterodt, Uttenrodt, von Uttenrodt, Uttrodt, Ottrott, Van Etten, Van Horn Collateral lines: Dwyer, Eltus, LaFrance, Prentice, Smith . -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:28 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding research microfilm As far as I know, the LDS doesn't ever sell films, only rent them. Where there are no Family History Centers, I know that sometimes they allow libraries to hold and let patrons use films in the libraries. NARA and various private companies have microfilms for sale. NARA also has a rental program, as I recall, and you can also request some film via Inter-Library Loan in some larger libraries with microfilm and/or microfiche readers. I've borrowed newspapers on microfilm through my largest local library, for instance. Unless you can borrow without cost from a nearby library, the LDS is the lowest-cost option. See: http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html http://www.proquest.com/products_hq/ http://www.cyndislist.com/micro.htm HTH, Valorie On Monday 28 January 2008 4:05:12 pm Lynda L. Jones wrote: > Valorie, > > Do you know how to purchase the microfilms? I've heard there's a way to do > it online, but I never have been able to find it. > > Best wishes, > Lynda Jones > Bloomsburg, PA USA > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Valorie > Zimmerman > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:38 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-L] Finding research microfilm > > On Sunday 27 January 2008 2:46:26 pm someone wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > > > WHere are the microfilm available for these cities? > > I haven't posted the link for awhile for the tutorial about using the > FamilySearch locality search: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.h >t ml > > if you don't know much about the LDS Family History Centers, be sure to > click > the link about that near the bottom. > > So much is coming online these days, but soooooo much more is on microfilm, > and not online. -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Monday 14 January 2008 11:06:59 am ebarbarajo@verizon.net wrote: > This may be a lame question, but one that I must ask. > > Are / were obituaries printed in the newspapers and are they available > anywhere? > > I know they are a tremendous resource, and am hoping that I can find some > from the 1800's to the present. > > Brab Hi, Barb, I never saw an answer to your question. You may be asking about obituaries printed in Alsatian newspapers, and about that I have no info. Some biographical information is being collected and presented by various genealogical societies, but whether they are finding, indexing and publishing obits in particular, I do not know. But obits are an untapped source for many of our immigrants and their children. They often subscribed to German language newspapers, and church magazines which would have printed obits, which would be much more complete, accurate and detailed than those printed in the English language newspapers of the time. It is worthwhile to do some research and find out what newspapers might have been read by your ancestors -- likely places for their descendants to have places obits and memorials. The local genealogical and historical societies in the localities where your ancestors lived will know this information. For more background on this subject, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/newspapers.html -- this one needs some more updated info -- anyone have anything to add to this? http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/death-records-obituaries-biographies.html As always, please report any bad / updated links you find. And I'm always looking for more helpful links. They are supplied by you, the researchers. Valorie