Thanks Jim for the answer but all my informations are from "family search". My research is about living LENTZ descendants. Nicole

Doris, They are no GAHN in Bischwiller in 1836.Sorry Nicole

Nicole, Avez-vous essaye de contacter des Lentz descendants par le Genforum? (Have you tried to contact living Lentzes through Genforum?) http://genforum.genealogy.com/lentz/all.html - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ginic Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:19 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Family LENTZ Thanks Jim for the answer but all my informations are from "family search". My research is about living LENTZ descendants. Nicole -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1419 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1419 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 7:46 AM

I think so, Thera are no other family JUNG in Runtzenheim in 1836.Probably are they from a neighbouring village. All best Nicole

Hi, Robert Behra send us his memories of his trip in Alsace, Lorraine and his research in Colmar. I prepare actually a two -month long trip to follow the footsteeps of one of the emigrants of my family in the USA. I had contact with my cousins MALLO in Minnesota , FIRN in Pennsylvania , REEB in Idaho, DONNENWIRTH in Oregon and Canada, WACKERLE in Michigan and research my cousins LENTZ in ??? I search about the GG(G)children of the brothers and sisters of my GGfather Jacques LENTZ who is the only one who stayed in the familyfarm in Kirrwiller, Alsace. His 3 brothers and 2 sisters had left the village and came to the USA where they founded a family. Georges ( born 1834) X DOLDER Magdalena ( children Johnx BEISER ,Lydia HESS, EdwardAlbertx HINES ) Marguerite (born 1840) x KLEIN Aloïs (children Frederick x WIEBKE,John x WILSON ,Georges xNELSON and Magdalena WEDDIGE) Jean ( Born1845) x GROTH Catherine ( Barbara LITKA, Lena and Frieda MAACK ) Catherine ( born 1848) x REUTER Friedrich children Mary, Lydia, Anna Margaretha NOHDEN , John Friedrich, Judith xx BRUCK John Frédéric ( born 1851)x EBERLY Alice ( Judith SCHUMACHER , Vivian NELSON, Anna Maud If someone can help me to trace them in the USA it's were wonderfull. Many thanks. Nicole Mallo Gignoux

Hi Diana, In Census of Bischwiller I found living 1836 in Runtzenheim Number 61 : JUNG Michel 30 years old, day labourer WANDER Dorothée 32 years old JUNG Frédéric 3 years old JUNG Michel 1 year old WANDER Philippe 71 years old labourer GERST Marie Eve 70 years old WANDER Anne Marie 23 years old single Hope this help you Good research. Nicole Mallo Gignoux

Robert Thanks for the response. Please forgive my structure and mistakes in construction of some of the terminology. I do speak French or German. I am trying to use the little Spanish and Latin I know to get through this. This is my last branch of the family to research before 1800. All others are back to at least 1700 and some much further. So I am stumbling through this. First, the records I have been looking at were Naissances 1823-1853, Naissances 1851-1853 and Naissances 1877-1882. All for Haut-Rhin. I assume this means births. I found some Kirchhoffs but not the ones I'm looking for. I should point out what information I have. All taken from death certificates and mortuary burial files. Joseph Kirchhoff was a carpenter born 30 Mar 1851. His father was named Michel or Michael. He married Mary Ellinger (Elhinger) born 9 feb 1848 to H Ellinger and Mary Meyer (spelling could have been Myer, Meier) They had three children who were born in Alsace-Lorraine: Della (b: Abt 1876), Mary (b 31 Oct 1877) and Elizabeth (b 30 Apr 1879). They were in the US by 24 nov 1881 because they had an infant son die in St Louis on that day. There are 4 stories which shed some further light, potentially. 1. Joseph preceded his family to America and sent money home for their travel. If the birth dates are correct he left for the US after August 1, 1878. I can't find him in the 1880 census. 2. When he raised enough money he sent it to his wife. She is reported to have retrieved it from the back and wass going to carry it home in her apron, but the Banker was concerned for her safety so he accompanied her to her home with the money. I am not sure whether this means they were in a small town or not. 3. There were supposed to be three brothers who were carpenters who built houses together. One burnd down because of faulty construction and the brothers broke up their company. This means that there were brothers to Joseph. 4. Mary reportedly attended a school where French language was used for half a day and German for the other. I pass this information along in case you stumble onto something of interest. I definitely will take your advice on the records. This gives me a little better focus. Steve On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, <robtbehra@aol.com> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: STEVE CLAGGETT <stevecla@dishmail.net> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 8:50 pm > Subject: Re: [A-L] Trip to Alsace, Lorraine and Saarland (long message) > > I looked at today's phone directory and > the concentration of Kirchhoff's seemed to be in the Haut-Rhin Department > especially from Comar to Mulhouse. Mine immigrated to the US in about > 1880 > although the husband Joseph came a couple of years earlier to earn money > for > the families passage. I am looking through LDS records looking for them > but > haven't yet done any good. Also any pointers would be appreciated. > > > Steve, > > As you will have seen from consulting the online telephone directories and > from Ewald's list of Kirchhoff emigrants from the département du Haut-Rhin, > Morschwiller-le-Bas seems to be ground zero for the family. You get the > same impression from doing a search at www.geopatronyme.com (the earliest > period covered by that database is 1891-1914). > > When you say you're looking at LDS records what do you mean? The first > thing I would recommend, if you haven't already done it, would be to order > the civil records for Morschwiller-le-Bas, which cover the period > 1792-1882. Depending on what information you have on your Joseph and his > family from American records, it shouldn't take you long to determine > whether or not they were from that town. Even if their children don't show > up in the birth records, he could still be from there. In that case you > might be able to track him down by looking at the marriage banns > ("publications de mariage"), because French law required the banns to be > read in the town(s) in which the prospective bride and groom legally > resided, even if they ended up getting married somewhere else (the bride's > home town, for example). Unfortunately, according the record in the Family > History Library Catalog, the banns for Morschwiller-le-Bas are only > available for 1821-1852 and 1870-1872. > > Good luck with the hunt. > > Robert Behra > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nicole: Would you have any GAHN families living in Bischwiller -Bischweiller? Thanks Doris. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hello Nicole: I think I have found two different families you were searching for--can't promise, but I think they are. 1900 Census, Illinois, DeKalb County, Pierce Township Lentz, Frederick b. Sept. 1851 (48 years old) Married age 22, born Ger. both parents born Germany, Immigrated 1867, Naturalized citizen, farmer Mary A. (Wife) (Initial A. could stand for Alice as Mary Alice is a familiar name), born June 1859, (40 years old) married age 22, 5 children of which 4 are living, b. Illinois, parents both born in Pennsylvania. William R., son, born January 1880, age 20, born Illinois Judith E., Daughter, born June 1882, age 17 born Illinois Alma Maud, daughter, born February 1885, age 15, born Illinoois Vivian Ruth, daughter, born October 1898, age 1, born Illinois ------- 1930 Illinois, Dekalb County, Pierce Township Alberd Schumacher, 51, born Illinois, both parents born Germany, farmer Judith, wife, 47, born Illinois, parents born Germany and Illinois Donald F., age 21, born Illlinois Stanley C., age 18 born Illinois 1920 Illinois, Dekalb County, Pierce township Albert Schumacher, 40, Judith, 37 Donald F., 11 Stanley C., 8 1910 Illinois, Dekalb County, Pierce township Albert Schumacher, 31 Judity, 7 Donald, 1 --- 1910 Illinois, DeKalb, Pierce township A. C. Weddige, age 32 Magdalene Weddige, age 28 Alice , age 2 Elsie, age 4 months (Illinois Death Records - August C. Weddige, died May 16, 1919, DeKalb County, Hickley town (He possibly died of the flu epidemic as my grandfather (grandpere) died about the same time from the flu epidemic. 1920 Illinois, DeKalb, Squaw Grove, Illinois. Magdalina Wedigge, age 38 Alice, age 12 Elsie, age 10 Ruth, age 1 1930 Illinois, DeKalb County, Squaw Grove Magdalena Weddige, age 48 Alice, age 22, bookkeeper Elsie, age 20, teacher Ruth, 11, at school From the Social Security Death Index, Alice M.Weddige born August 12, 1907, died July 21, 1991 Illinois Elsie Weddige born June 7, 1887, died June 1978, Hinckley, DeKalb , Ill. From the World War I Draft Registration Card, August Christ Henry Weddige, born January 1 1878, farmer, lived in Hinckley, Dekalb County, Illinois, was a farmer, wife was Magdalena Weddige. I hope this is not confusing. If you have any questions, please ask. I will try and find some of the others. I hope you have a wonderful trip to the United States. Dorothy Baker

Hi Grace, Just happened to see your email regarding Soufflenheim.  We were in Alsace 3 yrs. ago and briefly visited the potteries in Soufflenheim.  Also had a really wonderful lunch there!  It is a charming little village with window boxes spilling over with bright, cheery flowers everywhere you look.  I do have a couple of pictures taken in front of one of the potteries and will be happy to email them to you if you would like to see them.  Ellen Alexander Jacksonville, FL -----Original Message----- From: wallace26@juno.com <wallace26@juno.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Trip to Alsace, Lorraine and Saarland (long message) I envy you your trip. Did you happen to go through Soufflenheim? My maternal reat gand parents were from there. Thanks to Rosa Raiman I have a lot of the ata. Would love to visit the area,but I doubt that will ever happen. Thanks for our description. Grace ____________________________________________________________ ills adding up?¿ Click here for free information on payday loans. ttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOBbvLIuEdEhyuwTG7Ruo5X1TV3EkGXrTvfaStXrAOAdf/?count=1234567890 - esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Nicole, Go to www.familysearch.org All these family members are listed.  Parents Michel Lentz and Anne Trog.  Appears all spent time in Illinois. Shown with all spouses as you listed.  Good Luck Regards, Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: ginic <nicole.gignoux@wanadoo.fr> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:37:30 PM Subject: [A-L] Family LENTZ Hi, Robert Behra send us his memories of his trip in Alsace, Lorraine and his research in Colmar. I prepare actually  a two -month long trip to follow the footsteeps of one of the emigrants of my family in the USA. I had contact with my cousins MALLO in Minnesota , FIRN in Pennsylvania , REEB in Idaho, DONNENWIRTH in Oregon and Canada, WACKERLE in Michigan and research my cousins LENTZ in ??? I search about the GG(G)children of the brothers and sisters of my GGfather Jacques LENTZ who is the only one who stayed in the familyfarm in Kirrwiller, Alsace. His 3 brothers and 2 sisters had left the village and came to the USA where they founded a family. Georges ( born 1834) X DOLDER Magdalena ( children Johnx BEISER ,Lydia HESS, EdwardAlbertx HINES ) Marguerite (born 1840) x KLEIN Aloïs (children Frederick x WIEBKE,John x WILSON ,Georges xNELSON and Magdalena WEDDIGE) Jean ( Born1845) x GROTH Catherine ( Barbara LITKA, Lena and Frieda MAACK ) Catherine ( born 1848) x REUTER Friedrich  children Mary, Lydia, Anna Margaretha NOHDEN , John Friedrich, Judith                                 xx BRUCK John Frédéric ( born 1851)x EBERLY Alice ( Judith SCHUMACHER , Vivian NELSON, Anna Maud If someone can help me to trace them in the USA it's were wonderfull. Many thanks. Nicole Mallo Gignoux -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robt Behra wrote: >> >Jean L?on KIRCHHOFF (b. 13 May 1832, Morschwiller-le-Bas; son of Joseph >> KIRCHHOFF and Catherine BADER) >> >and his wife Th?r?se FLORENCE (b. 10 Feb 1831, Gunsbach; dau. of Michel >> FLORENCE and Marguerithe VOINSON) >> >Jean L?on KIRCHHOFF, then living in Bitschwiller-l?s-Thann, had a passport >> to leave France dated 1 May 1854 for himself and his wife, >destination New >> York. They arrived at the port of New York from Le Havre 19 Jun 1854 on the >> ship "Juventa" (Germans to America, v. 7, >p. 303; original passenger >> manifest on FHL film no. 0175497 [NARA M237, roll 141], list no. 717). > The Ship Juventa has been mis-indexed (or the other way around), on Ancestry.com¹s Immigration Collection, as the INVANTA; but it did arrive in NYC from Havre on 19 Jun 1854 - though the 19 is also difficult to decipher. The list is 18 pages long, and on page 17 are passengers 701 and 702 (just two away from the bottom of the page).....and transcribed here as I read it. The * is mine, notes below. 701 Kirchhoff, J Leon*; 32*; M; France; New York; Farmer. 702 Florence, Therèse; 24; F; France; New York; Farmer. 701*: ³J Léon² was tied together as one word, and so has been indexed by ancestry¹s indexer as Jheon Kirchhoff; the age is one number written on top of another number and I can ³see² these options: 32, 22, 23, 33, with possible 34 or 24 as the original number/age. #s 700 to 704 are all listed from France; other three: Jean Pierre Forgeon 34, Jacob Trautmann (?) 34, and Christ Junker (?) 32/33. All other passengers on page are listed from Wärtemberg, Baviére, and Suisse. All passengers on page are going to New York; and all are ³Farmer². Good luck! Cari Thomas

Thank you so much Nicole! Does this mean the Wander's were living with the Jung's? Best regards, Diana In a message dated 5/7/2008 2:30:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, nicole.gignoux@wanadoo.fr writes: Hi Diana, In Census of Bischwiller I found living 1836 in Runtzenheim Number 61 : JUNG Michel 30 years old, day labourer WANDER Dorothée 32 years old JUNG Frédéric 3 years old JUNG Michel 1 year old WANDER Philippe 71 years old labourer GERST Marie Eve 70 years old WANDER Anne Marie 23 years old single Hope this help you Good research. Nicole Mallo Gignoux **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Robert Behra RobtBehra@aol.com wrote: <<.... The biggest breakthrough, though it only resulted in identifying one new ancestor, was to finally solve the mystery surrounding the origins of Petrus Golly. His 1696 marriage record calls him the adoptive son of Ludovicus Schumacher, but none of the church records shed any light on that relationship. Schumacher was married three times, but there didn't appear to be any connection between his wives and Petrus Golly. One of the wills I looked at before giving up on them was that of Schumacher's third wife (they were married in 1685), and in it she is said to have an illegitimate son and later in the will that son is named as Peter Kolli. Her 1685 marriage record says that she was from Canton Bern, Switzerland, and was married after embracing the Catholic faith, so she is my grandfather's first confirmed Calvinist ancestor. Now all I have to do is find a baptism record for an illegitimate son Peter born to a Catharina Rott somewhere in Canton Bern around 1672.....>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Robert, According to the site: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/i/d/Robert-L-Riddle/FILE/0006page.html there is a Petrus GOLLY born 1673 in Oderen (Haut Rhin) who married Anna Maria KOLLIN January 26, 1704 in Oderen, daughter of Joannes Kollin/Koell/Koelin and Ursula Luttringer. She was born Abt. 1675 in Mollau (Haut Rhin). Is this the person you are looking for?. Ewald

-----Original Message----- From: STEVE CLAGGETT <stevecla@dishmail.net> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Trip to Alsace, Lorraine and Saarland (long message) I looked at today's phone directory and the concentration of Kirchhoff's seemed to be in the Haut-Rhin Department especially from Comar to Mulhouse.  Mine immigrated to the US in about 1880 although the husband Joseph came a couple of years earlier to earn money for the families passage.  I am looking through LDS records looking for them but haven't yet done any good. Also any pointers would be appreciated. Steve, As you will have seen from consulting the online telephone directories and from Ewald's list of Kirchhoff emigrants from the département du Haut-Rhin, Morschwiller-le-Bas seems to be ground zero for the family.  You get the same impression from doing a search at www.geopatronyme.com (the earliest period covered by that database is 1891-1914). When you say you're looking at LDS records what do you mean?  The first thing I would recommend, if you haven't already done it, would be to order the civil records for Morschwiller-le-Bas, which cover the period 1792-1882.  Depending on what information you have on your Joseph and his family from American records, it shouldn't take you long to determine whether or not they were from that town.  Even if their children don't show up in the birth records, he could still be from there.  In that case you might be able to track him down by looking at the marriage banns ("publications de mariage"), because French law required the banns to be read in the town(s) in which the prospective bride and groom legally resided, even if they ended up getting married somewhere else (the bride's home town, for example).  Unfortunately, according the record in the Family History Library Catalog, the banns for Morschwiller-le-Bas are only available for 1821-1852 and 1870-1872.  Good luck with the hunt. Robert Behra

Good morning to all, Does anyone on the list have the CD of the 1836 Census of Bischwiller and Haguenau Cantons and also the Wissembourg Canton? And if so do you do lookups? I am tempted to buy the CD's but would rather not until I know for sure they will be important in my family research. My Jung family is enumerated there in Rountzenheim according to the website: "Ship Passenger Lists: Immigrants from Alsace to America 1820-1850, Matches and Possible Matches." My Jung's are Michel age 30 and wife Dorothee (nee Wander) age 32 and sons Frederic age 3 and Michel age 1. There is another Jung family living in Dauendorf also mentioned in the above website and a Barbe (nee Jung) Scher in Hermerswiller, Wissembourg Canton. So I would like to know if there are any other Jung's or Wander's in the area that are possibly related to my family. I am new to research in the Alsace region and if anyone has any tips or suggestions on how to research the area I would really appreciate reaping the benefit of your knowledge! Thanks in advance for any reply! Best regards, Diana **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

In a message sent Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:50 AM stevecla@dishmail.net writes: << ................................................ can you remember any of the records or books you found referrring to a family named Kirch(h)off. I know they were from the Alsace Lorraine regions. I looked at today's phone directory and the concentration of Kirchhoff's seemed to be in the Haut-Rhin Department especially from Comar to Mulhouse. Mine immigrated to the US in about 1880 although the husband Joseph came a couple of years earlier to earn money for the families passage..... >> Steve, According to the book '' Liste nominative des Haut-Rhinois ayant émigré en Amérique (1800-1870): Albert KIRCHHOFF, manservant (valet de chambre), 31 years old on June 1868, born in Morschwiller-le Bas (Haut-Rhin), left Morschwiller-le Bas in 1868 for Montentez (near New York) Joseph KIRCHHOFF, blacksmith (maréchal ferrant), 21 years old on Aug 1848, born in Morschwiller-le Bas, left Morschwiller-le Bas in 1848 for New-York Jean Léon KIRCHOFF, (black)smith (forgeron), 23 years old on May 1854, born in Morschwiller-le Bas, left Bitschwiller-lès-Thann (Haut-Rhin) in 1854 for New-York, with his wife. Is there any conection? Ewald

Steve, A bit more information on one of the Kirchhoffs mentioned by Ewald: Jean Léon KIRCHHOFF (b. 13 May 1832, Morschwiller-le-Bas; son of Joseph KIRCHHOFF and Catherine BADER) and his wife Thérèse FLORENCE (b. 10 Feb 1831, Gunsbach; dau. of Michel FLORENCE and Marguerithe VOINSON) Jean Léon KIRCHHOFF, then living in Bitschwiller-lès-Thann, had a passport to leave France dated 1 May 1854 for himself and his wife, destination New York. They arrived at the port of New York from Le Havre 19 Jun 1854 on the ship "Juventa" (Germans to America, v. 7, p. 303; original passenger manifest on FHL film no. 0175497 [NARA M237, roll 141], list no. 717). Robert Behra -----Original Message----- From: EWALD <ewald.klein@gmail.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 7 May 2008 4:55 am Subject: [A-L] Kirch(h)off In a message sent Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:50 AM tevecla@dishmail.net writes: < ................................................ can you remember any of he records or ooks you found referrring to a family named Kirch(h)off. I know they were rom the Alsace Lorraine regions. I looked at today's phone directory and he concentration of Kirchhoff's seemed to be in the Haut-Rhin Department specially from Comar to Mulhouse. Mine immigrated to the US in about 1880 lthough the husband Joseph came a couple of years earlier to earn money for he families passage..... >> Steve, According to the book '' Liste nominative des Haut-Rhinois ayant émigré en mérique (1800-1870): Albert KIRCHHOFF, manservant (valet de chambre), 31 years old on June 868, born in Morschwiller-le Bas (Haut-Rhin), left Morschwiller-le Bas in 868 for Montentez (near New York) Joseph KIRCHHOFF, blacksmith (maréchal ferrant), 21 years old on Aug 848, born in Morschwiller-le Bas, left Morschwiller-le Bas in 1848 for ew-York Jean Léon KIRCHOFF, (black)smith (forgeron), 23 years old on May 1854, orn in Morschwiller-le Bas, left Bitschwiller-lès-Thann (Haut-Rhin) in 1854 or New-York, with his wife. Is there any conection? Ewald -- esources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Ewald, Yes, that's my earliest Golly ancestor.? You can find him in my WorldConnect Project file at: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=robtbehra&id=I9961 I am certain he wasn't born in Oderen or elsewhere in that valley.? Many people have been looking for his origins for a long time, without success.? Because his name (Kolli, Golly) is similar to other names in the valley (Gully, Gulling) with origins in the Vosges surname Colin, some have suggested he must belong to one of those families, but proof of a relationship has never been found.??Now that we know he is named in his mother's will, and that she was from Canton Bern, the search can shift to Switzerland.? Kolli is a common surname in Canton Bern, as is Rott (his mother's surname), so it may take a while to find him, but at least we now know where to look. Thank you for the link to that list of some of his Texas descendants.? He also has descendants throughout France and in many other parts of the US, as well as Chile and Uruguay. Thanks also for the link to the article in L'Alsace.? I had meant to look for it but hadn't gotten around to it yet. Robert ---Original Message----- From: EWALD <ewald.klein@gmail.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 7 May 2008 8:23 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Trip to Alsace, Lorraine and Saarland (long message) Robert Behra RobtBehra@aol.com wrote: <<.... The biggest breakthrough, though it only resulted in identifying one new ancestor, was to finally solve the mystery surrounding the origins of Petrus Golly. His 1696 marriage record calls him the adoptive son of Ludovicus Schumacher, but none of the church records shed any light on that relationship. Schumacher was married three times, but there didn't appear to be any connection between his wives and Petrus Golly. One of the wills I looked at before giving up on them was that of Schumacher's third wife (they were married in 1685), and in it she is said to have an illegitimate son and later in the will that son is named as Peter Kolli. Her 1685 marriage record says that she was from Canton Bern, Switzerland, and was married after embracing the Catholic faith, so she is my grandfather's first confirmed Calvinist ancestor. Now all I have to do is find a baptism record for an illegitimate son Peter born to a Catharina Rott somewhere in Canton Bern around 1672.....>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Robert, According to the site: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/i/d/Robert-L-Riddle/FILE/0006page.html there is a Petrus GOLLY born 1673 in Oderen (Haut Rhin) who married Anna Maria KOLLIN January 26, 1704 in Oderen, daughter of Joannes Kollin/Koell/Koelin and Ursula Luttringer. She was born Abt. 1675 in Mollau (Haut Rhin). Is this the person you are looking for?. Ewald -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a great time you must have had in Alsace. Thanks for the update. I know this is an tough question, but can you remember any of the records or books you found referrring to a family named Kirch(h)off. I know they were from the Alsace Lorraine regions. I looked at today's phone directory and the concentration of Kirchhoff's seemed to be in the Haut-Rhin Department especially from Comar to Mulhouse. Mine immigrated to the US in about 1880 although the husband Joseph came a couple of years earlier to earn money for the families passage. I am looking through LDS records looking for them but haven't yet done any good. Also any pointers would be appreciated. Steve Claggett On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:05 PM, <RobtBehra@aol.com> wrote: > At the end of April I came back from a wonderful month-long trip to > northeastern France. The first part of the trip was spent in the company > of my > brother and our aunt and uncle. After visiting cousins who live in > Franch-Comté, > the region just south of Alsace, we set out in a rented car to see some of > the > areas in which our ancestors had lived. Using Saint-Avold as a base, we > explored the Moselle countryside around the communities of > Bérig-Vintrange, > Vallerange, Faulquemont, Créhange, Guessling-Hémering and Grostenquin. We > spent > part of one day in Nancy (fascinating potato trees just off the Place > Stanislas) > and another day, with German friends of my brother, in Saarland, visiting > the > cities of Sankt Wendel and Neunkirchen and the small town of Hasborn. > After > leaving Moselle we drove into Alsace and stopped to see the castle of > Haut-Koenigsbourg. Our base of operations in Alsace was the Auberge du > Mehrbachel, > very high on a mountainside above the community of Saint-Amarin. We > visited > many communities in the two adjacent valleys that were home to most of our > Alsatian ancestors. My aunt and uncle, who had not visited France > before, > enjoyed all the sights, sounds and tastes. My brother, who had joined me > on a > similar family pilgrimage several years ago, had made great progress > recently in > his study of the French language and I think that enabled him to get more > out > of the experience this time. One highlight of this part of the trip > (unfortunately the day after my brother had to leave) was a reception at > the town hall > in Fellering, where my great-grandfather (my uncle's grandfather) was > born. > The mayor and her four assistants were present and we were shown the > registers > with the birth records of my great-grandfather (1869), his mother (1838) > and > his grandmother (1803). We were served kouglof (a typical Alsatian cake > with > lots of variant spellings) and crémant d'Alsace (sparkling Alsatian wine) > and > we sat and visited for quite a while. Two local reporters were present, > so > we ended up getting our picture in the paper. > > After my uncle and aunt left I headed to Colmar and spent eight days doing > research at the Archives Départementales. Their hours are M-F 9-12:30, > 1:30-5, > and I endeavored to make the fullest use of the time -- I looked at, and > took > notes on, 601 documents. Even so, this was much less than I had hoped to > accomplish (I'll just have to keep going back, I guess). The focus of my > research was a series of notarial records known as "inventaires et > partages après > décès" (estate inventories and settlements) that can be a gold mine of > information, especially if the parish either has no extant records or if > the records > that do exist are not particularly informative (e.g., a marriage record > that > says Jean Schmitt married Marie Anne Meyer, without naming their parents). > I > went through every inventory for the town of Fellering (1598-1789) and > then > started in on those for Oderen (they start in 1625; I got through 1765 > before > running out of time). I also looked briefly at wills, but they were much > harder > to slog through and much less informative, so I gave up on them quickly. > (These notarial records are almost all written in German, in the typical > German > handwriting of the period; let me know privately if you're interested in > seeing a sample -- I took lots of digital photographs and would be happy > to send > you one to see what they look like.) In this process I made > breakthroughs on > four lines and added lots of new ancestors. The biggest breakthrough, > though > it only resulted in identifying one new ancestor, was to finally solve the > mystery surrounding the origins of Petrus Golly. His 1696 marriage > record calls > him the adoptive son of Ludovicus Schumacher, but none of the church > records > shed any light on that relationship. Schumacher was married three times, > but > there didn't appear to be any connection between his wives and Petrus > Golly. > One of the wills I looked at before giving up on them was that of > Schumacher's third wife (they were married in 1685), and in it she is said > to have an > illegitimate son and later in the will that son is named as Peter Kolli. > Her > 1685 marriage record says that she was from Canton Bern, Switzerland, and > was > married after embracing the Catholic faith, so she is my grandfather's > first > confirmed Calvinist ancestor. Now all I have to do is find a baptism > record > for an illegitimate son Peter born to a Catharina Rott somewhere in Canton > Bern > around 1672. > > A highlight of this second part of my trip was a visit to Strasbourg, > where I > climbed to the observation deck of the cathedral (216 feet straight up a > narrow spiral staircase, which I insisted on taking two steps at a time). > I got > to the top just before 10 a.m. on a Sunday and it sounded like all the > bells > in the city were ringing. I stayed up there quite a while just taking in > the > view and listening to the sounds. I was then met by a friend and fellow > genealogist who had invited me to join her for what turned out to be a > very > pleasant visit with her family over lunch. At her suggestion I visited > the Musée > de l'Oeuvre Notre Dame, the museum associated with the cathedral, and saw > a > very impressive exhibition of 15th-century artwork (I've recommended that > my > library purchase the catalog). Just before leaving Strasbourg I heard a > brief > organ concert at the cathedral. > > During the entire month I was in France I was warmly and graciously > welcomed > by family, friends and complete strangers. I hope at least some of them > will > give me the opportunity one day to return the favor. > > I bought lots of books. Listed below are some that might be of general > interest to those members of the list who read French: > > Les noms de famille du Haut-Rhin, by Anne de Bergh, Laurent Millet and > Marie-Odile Mergnac (Paris : Archives & Culture, (c)2007; ISBN > 9782350770628) > > This book lists the 1000 most common surnames in the département du > Haut-Rhin > (southern Alsace) and says something about each of them (origin, prominent > people who bore the name, variations, etc.). I bought it because it > includes > my name, but I can't really recommend it because I suspect the authors > don't > know what they're talking about when it comes to the origins of specific > names > (this is a common failing in such books -- they are full of > generalizations and > guesswork based on perceived meaning of the name rather than on actual > research). > > Quand la France pleurait l'Alsace-Lorraine : les "provinces perdues" aux > sources du patriotisme républicain 1870-1914, by Laurence Turetti > (Strasbourg : La > Nuée Bleue, (c)2008; ISBN 9782716507097) > > Terre d'Alsace, rêve d'Amérique : roman historique, by Elisabeth > Jaeger-Wolff > ([Strasbourg?] : Éditions du Bastberg, (c)2003; ISBN 9782848230207) > > Active, propre, honnête : jeunes filles alsaciennes en place à Paris > 1900-1960, by Jean Haubenestel (Strasbourg : [J. Haubenestel], 2002; ISBN > 2950976328) > > Protestants d'Alsace et de Moselle : lieux de mémoire et de vie, edited by > Antoine Pfeiffer (Ingersheim : Oberlin/SAEP, 2006; ISBN 2737208122) > > Robert Behra > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >