Thank you Ann S.!! My gut reaction, based on what you found, is that the "society" is an association whose members who "rescue" or sponsor incoming immigrants from Alsace, being from there themselves. Antone did "take in" Frederick Spreng and sponsored him for US citizenship. I'll go to the Pa Historical Society to ses if I can locate this association's history. ANYONE HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHERE I MIGHT FIND A HISTORY ON THE ALSACE SOCIETY?? Dennis **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

I put "Societe' Alsacienne de Secours Mutels" [in quotes] into Google and got a number of hits on parts of the phrase. One at the bottom "Les Commemoratives" http://perso.numericable.fr/semoeric/LES%20ASSOCIATIVES.htm also had "translate this page" next to it. It show numerous commemorative medals. 2nd row, far right medal states "Societe de Secours Mutuel" which translated to "Rescue Society Mutuel". If you mouse over the photo it will show the reverse of the medal. Hope this helps. Ann S. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Den49co@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: [A-L] Societe' Alsacienne de Secours Mutuels >I found this organization invited to the funeral services of my Alsace > ancestor's sponsor in Philadelphia in 1901. > > Any help on this organization? > > Dennis > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found this organization invited to the funeral services of my Alsace ancestor's sponsor in Philadelphia in 1901. Any help on this organization? Dennis **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

Searching for Joseph SHERBINANT. Born Alsance-Lorraine 4 April 1854. Migrated to Canada. Thanks, Ernie Olson

Searching for Joseph SHERBINANT. Born Alsance Lorraine 4 Apr 1854. Migrated to Canada. Thanks, Ernie Olson

Looking for Karen Kolb of Buffalo, NY, who has done much research on Riedseltz, Wissembourg, Alsace. Her website has bit the dust and her email is outdated Karen Kolb, Where are you? Shirley Hulett Desc of emmigrants Therese Kolb and Jacob Haury from Riedseltz of Ohio ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iiekGrUqxI7wJPHllSxrLGEm49NDFWAdATjGRkLzmSNFsX5AJ/

The church records and the civil records prior to 1883 of the departement Meurthe-et-Moselle (Lorraine) are online since few days, but the access is not free of charges: - 2 euros for a day (24 consecutive hours) - 10 euros for 7 days (7 x 24 consecutive hours); - 30 euros for 30 days (30 x 24 consecutive hours). Prepayment by check or creditcard. For more see the following sites of the Archives Departementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle: http://archives.cg54.fr/archives/DefautBureau.aspx?Onglet_ID=752 http://archives.cg54.fr/archives/DefautBureau.aspx?Onglet_ID=888 Ewald

On Monday 09 June 2008 2:07:39 pm EWALD wrote: > The church records and the civil records prior to 1883 of the departement > Meurthe-et-Moselle (Lorraine) are online since few days, but the access is > not free of charges: - 2 euros for a day (24 consecutive hours) > - 10 euros for 7 days (7 x 24 consecutive hours); > - 30 euros for 30 days (30 x 24 consecutive hours). > > Prepayment by check or creditcard. > For more see the following sites of the Archives Departementales de > Meurthe-et-Moselle: > http://archives.cg54.fr/archives/DefautBureau.aspx?Onglet_ID=752 > http://archives.cg54.fr/archives/DefautBureau.aspx?Onglet_ID=888 > > Ewald Thanks for the good news, Ewald! I've added this information to my collection of links about Lorraine, at: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/04/lorraine.html Always looking for more good ones, of course! Valorie

The on line records are a great asset. Thank you Ewald. Are they indexed? ???????? Hugh Tornabene

Hi Deborah, Beginning with E , I suggest EPFINGEN or EMLINGEN Village list of Haut-Rhin (Ober Elsass) and locations : http://www.locom.org/loc_listcomd68.htm Surnames in EPFINGEN : http://search.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=en&name=&place=eglingen%2C+68&country=&source=&x=47&y=6 Surnames in EMLINGEN : http://search.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=en&name=&place=emlingen&country=&source=&x=47&y=3 Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Deborah Owens" <flaowens@verizon.net> To: <alsace-lorraine-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:39 AM Subject: [A-L] Eynling, Ober- Elsass > DearList, > > I have a German church record of a 1663 marriage entry indicating that the > bride was from Eynling, Ober Elsass. > > Mapquest shows no such town. > > www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page16.html shows no town of that spelling in > German or French. > > Anybody have any idea what this place might be? Thanks > > Deborah > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Daniel, I truly appreciate your help, and I like your suggestions. The links you have provided are also great. I shall pursue both of these towns and see if Salt Lake has films for them. Again, thank you for your help !!! Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Joedicke" <djoedicke@estvideo.fr> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Eynling, Ober- Elsass > Hi Deborah, > Beginning with E , I suggest EPFINGEN or EMLINGEN > Village list of Haut-Rhin (Ober Elsass) and locations : > http://www.locom.org/loc_listcomd68.htm > Surnames in EPFINGEN : > http://search.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=en&name=&place=eglingen%2C+68&country=&source=&x=47&y=6 > Surnames in EMLINGEN : > http://search.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=en&name=&place=emlingen&country=&source=&x=47&y=3 > > Daniel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard & Deborah Owens" <flaowens@verizon.net> > To: <alsace-lorraine-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:39 AM > Subject: [A-L] Eynling, Ober- Elsass > > >> DearList, >> >> I have a German church record of a 1663 marriage entry indicating that >> the >> bride was from Eynling, Ober Elsass. >> >> Mapquest shows no such town. >> >> www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page16.html shows no town of that spelling in >> German or French. >> >> Anybody have any idea what this place might be? Thanks >> >> Deborah >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Allen, That is the problem, alternate spellings. The ministers did their best with phonetic spellings :-) I have had a couple of great suggestions from people and shall see if Salt Lake has films for those towns. Many thanks for your help. Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: <AllenAmet@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Eynling, Ober- Elsass/ > > In a message dated 6/7/2008 8:39:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > flaowens@verizon.net writes: > > > I have a German church record of a 1663 marriage entry indicating that > the > bride was from Eynling, Ober Elsass. > > > --------------- > any other possible spellings for Eynling? (in Upper Alsace). > > Allen > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Deborah, might be Hindlingen or Henflingen, in the south of Haut Rhin Departement (= Ober Elsass). However there are many villages ending with -ing or -ingen in that area. The best would be to send me a scan of the original word. Etienne > Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:39:17 -0400 > From: "Richard & Deborah Owens" <flaowens@verizon.net> > > DearList, > > I have a German church record of a 1663 marriage entry indicating > that the bride was from Eynling, Ober Elsass. > > Mapquest shows no such town. > > www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page16.html shows no town of that > spelling in German or French. > > Anybody have any idea what this place might be? Thanks > > Deborah

In a message dated 6/7/2008 8:39:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, flaowens@verizon.net writes: I have a German church record of a 1663 marriage entry indicating that the bride was from Eynling, Ober Elsass. --------------- any other possible spellings for Eynling? (in Upper Alsace). Allen **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

DearList, I have a German church record of a 1663 marriage entry indicating that the bride was from Eynling, Ober Elsass. Mapquest shows no such town. www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page16.html shows no town of that spelling in German or French. Anybody have any idea what this place might be? Thanks Deborah

Dennis,   It is quite usual for the local court conferring citizenship to fill in the slot asking for nation of origin with the current ruler at the time of naturalization rather then the ruler at the time of emigration.  My ancestors who arrived in 1869 had a similar notation.  In fact, I have seen "subject of the emperor of Germany" several times in WPA notations.  This may be an attempt to refer to the odd status of someone who left France but - being Alsacian - was a citizen of Germany when they got to court. Bob Teitelbaum Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:51:30 EDT From: Den49co@aol.com Subject: [A-L] SPRENG Anyone with info, or any direction??? Frederick SPRENG, born somewhere in Alsace-Lorraine Nov 29, 1851. He immigrated in 1867. Frederick always insisted that he was French and NOT German. Frederick Spreng came to America in 1867 via the port of New York according to his petition for citizenship filed in the Court of Common Pleas, County of Philadelphia, PA, September 25th, 1876. AS I UNDERSTAND................. The petition declares him as a native of Germany. By the time of his Petition in 1876, France's war with Germany was "lost". France's peace treaty with Germany ceded much of the Alsace-Lorriane region to Germany, as noted in a history journal from the"Germany History Network". Dennis

Anyone with info, or any direction??? Frederick SPRENG, born somewhere in Alsace-Lorraine Nov 29, 1851. He immigrated in 1867. Frederick always insisted that he was French and NOT German. Frederick Spreng came to America in 1867 via the port of New York according to his petition for citizenship filed in the Court of Common Pleas, County of Philadelphia, PA, September 25th, 1876. AS I UNDERSTAND................. The petition declares him as a native of Germany. By the time of his Petition in 1876, France's war with Germany was "lost". France's peace treaty with Germany ceded much of the Alsace-Lorriane region to Germany, as noted in a history journal from the"Germany History Network". Dennis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

To all list members, On Wednesday 04 June 2008 6:49:19 am Ralph SOBEK wrote: > Hello again Folks, > > Forgot to include the link. ;={ The subject says it all! Let us hope > that things will clear up nicely for us! It is dated May 2nd, 2008! > > http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Let me repeat -- No more discussion of this matter on the Alsace-Lorraine list. It is entirely off the topic of genealogy and family research in the Alsace and Lorraine regions. Any further discussion on the list will result in moderation of the offenders. Valorie

Hello again Folks, Forgot to include the link. ;={ The subject says it all! Let us hope that things will clear up nicely for us! It is dated May 2nd, 2008! http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Take care, --Ralph ======================================================================= For German, French, Irish, Jewish, & East European Roots, try my Genealogy site: http://www.sobek.org/ - General Genealogy, Surnames, Books, Software

Valorie mentioned the Ancestry.com's online version of Meyers Orts ("orts" being German for "places"). Here is another resource, which is free, does not require a subscription & is navigable in English: Atlas des Deutschen Reichs {German states atlas} -- http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/, {U. of Wisconsin} A digitized copy of Ravenstein's 1883 atlas. {Relates present to historical place names.} I haven't actually visited it lately, not since I did a presentation on German Genealogical websites for the local Palatines to America chapter. But I seem to recall being impressed with the graphical interface. -rt_/)