On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Charlotte Chase <itsmecac@yahoo.com> wrote: > Could anyone help me. My mother, many years ago, said her family came from Alsace Lorraine. The family name was Zarr. I know there was a Parker Zarr that came from somewhere in Germany back in the 1800's. > > Thank you. > CHarlotte CHase Hi Charlotte. For all European research, you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general surveys such as our US Census records. So, you must do your American or Canadian research, before trying to "jump the pond" back to Europe. I have a number of suggestions for ways to do that here: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html That said, with a relatively rare name like Zarr, you might find some help here: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/surnames.html Finally, I have an introduction to research in the Alsace: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/alsace.html I hope these are helpful to you, Valorie -- All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Could anyone help me.  My mother, many years ago, said her family came from Alsace Lorraine.  The family name was Zarr.  I know there was a Parker Zarr that came from somewhere in Germany back in the 1800's.   Thank you. CHarlotte CHase

Hi, Would any one on this list know if when France controlled the area Northwest of Cologne in period 1792 to 1806 or maybe later was that area known as Alsace Lorraine then? Wilfred Kesner

Thank you. Didn't realize they had that much information on towns in other countries. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda H. Gutierrez Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:16 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph >From a Family History Center (FHC) which are part of the Mormon church. They are the ones who have filmed all sorts of records from all over the world. Depending on where you are located, there may be one close by to you or in a neighboring county. You can find a complete listing of FHC locations on their website at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp. Look for the link in the middle of the lower half of the page that says "Find a Family History Center". Films need to be ordered at one of the FHC's and it has to be done in person. Go to the library catalog to determine which film or films you might need. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn & Fritz Potthast To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 07 August, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph I noticed that you said you could order films for a specific village. Who and where would you order these films. ----- Original Message ---- From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:35:05 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph Since you have a village name, why not order the films for that village, and see what you can find? Artolsheim is in Selestat, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, as a quick google search found. See http://www.maplandia.com/france/alsace/bas-rhin/selestat/artolsheim/ for a map. Valorie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Hi > I am still searching for information on the Adolph family. Valentine my gggrandfather was born abt. 1826 in France. He was a laborer. His wife was my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Schnell (or Snell), born in 1824 in Alsace. > My ggrandfather, also Valentine, or called "Fritz" was born in 1862 in France a brother to Elizabeth, "Lizzie" born in 1859; Sarah, born in 1865; and Susan, "Katie" born in 1867. > > Our understand is that the family was not Catholic and those living near them were. My great-aunt, who is 96, and still living, said that her father's family said they had people on horseback ride by and throw fire torch's at their door and scream there's going to be a killing her tonight. (we assumed that meant since they weren't Catholice they should get out). > > Somehow the family left France and came to America in 1874. My great-aunt said that they wanted to leave so my great grandfather didn't have to fight the Prussians as a teenager--so the story goes. We don't know from what city they left. We don't know on what ship they came to American as passengers. I've checked Castle Garden and can't find any Adolph's. I've tried Adolphus. Adolphe, etc. My great, grandfather signed his Naturalization paper in 1880, in Ohio, as Valentine Adolph who surrendered his allegiance from William Emperor of Germany. A Phillip Beck also signed on his Naturalization paper. The Beck family and the Adolph family inter-married (somewhat) I understand Alsace-Lorraine (or the area) went back and forth over the years controlled by Germany, then France, then Germany, etc. > > My Great-Aunt, is still living at 96. She said that her father, didn't have (3) names. She also said he'd told the her that he lived at the foot of the Vosges mountains as a boy. We do have the name Artolsheim but can't seem to find any facts to substantiate this. > > After coming to American in 1874, the Adolph Family settled in Madison Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. > > The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. > --their village, birth, ? > > This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. > > > If anyone has any ideas, please send them. I'd really like to find out something more about them. > > Sincerely, > > Karen S. Adolph > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3341 (20080808) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thank you for you information. Will try it. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:55 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph So glad you asked! Here is the process from start to finish: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.ht ml Valorie On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Marilyn & Fritz Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> wrote: > I noticed that you said you could order films for a specific village. Who and where would you order these films. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:35:05 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph > > Since you have a village name, why not order the films for that > village, and see what you can find? Artolsheim is in Selestat, > Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, as a quick google search found. See > http://www.maplandia.com/france/alsace/bas-rhin/selestat/artolsheim/ > for a map. > > Valorie > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: ::snip:: >> The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. >> --their village, birth, ? >> >> This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. ::snip:: -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3338 (20080807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3338 (20080807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

>From a Family History Center (FHC) which are part of the Mormon church. They are the ones who have filmed all sorts of records from all over the world. Depending on where you are located, there may be one close by to you or in a neighboring county. You can find a complete listing of FHC locations on their website at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp. Look for the link in the middle of the lower half of the page that says "Find a Family History Center". Films need to be ordered at one of the FHC's and it has to be done in person. Go to the library catalog to determine which film or films you might need. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn & Fritz Potthast To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 07 August, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph I noticed that you said you could order films for a specific village. Who and where would you order these films. ----- Original Message ---- From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:35:05 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph Since you have a village name, why not order the films for that village, and see what you can find? Artolsheim is in Selestat, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, as a quick google search found. See http://www.maplandia.com/france/alsace/bas-rhin/selestat/artolsheim/ for a map. Valorie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Hi > I am still searching for information on the Adolph family. Valentine my gggrandfather was born abt. 1826 in France. He was a laborer. His wife was my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Schnell (or Snell), born in 1824 in Alsace. > My ggrandfather, also Valentine, or called "Fritz" was born in 1862 in France a brother to Elizabeth, "Lizzie" born in 1859; Sarah, born in 1865; and Susan, "Katie" born in 1867. > > Our understand is that the family was not Catholic and those living near them were. My great-aunt, who is 96, and still living, said that her father's family said they had people on horseback ride by and throw fire torch's at their door and scream there's going to be a killing her tonight. (we assumed that meant since they weren't Catholice they should get out). > > Somehow the family left France and came to America in 1874. My great-aunt said that they wanted to leave so my great grandfather didn't have to fight the Prussians as a teenager--so the story goes. We don't know from what city they left. We don't know on what ship they came to American as passengers. I've checked Castle Garden and can't find any Adolph's. I've tried Adolphus. Adolphe, etc. My great, grandfather signed his Naturalization paper in 1880, in Ohio, as Valentine Adolph who surrendered his allegiance from William Emperor of Germany. A Phillip Beck also signed on his Naturalization paper. The Beck family and the Adolph family inter-married (somewhat) I understand Alsace-Lorraine (or the area) went back and forth over the years controlled by Germany, then France, then Germany, etc. > > My Great-Aunt, is still living at 96. She said that her father, didn't have (3) names. She also said he'd told the her that he lived at the foot of the Vosges mountains as a boy. We do have the name Artolsheim but can't seem to find any facts to substantiate this. > > After coming to American in 1874, the Adolph Family settled in Madison Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. > > The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. > --their village, birth, ? > > This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. > > > If anyone has any ideas, please send them. I'd really like to find out something more about them. > > Sincerely, > > Karen S. Adolph > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So glad you asked! Here is the process from start to finish: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html Valorie On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Marilyn & Fritz Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> wrote: > I noticed that you said you could order films for a specific village. Who and where would you order these films. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:35:05 AM > Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph > > Since you have a village name, why not order the films for that > village, and see what you can find? Artolsheim is in Selestat, > Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, as a quick google search found. See > http://www.maplandia.com/france/alsace/bas-rhin/selestat/artolsheim/ > for a map. > > Valorie > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: ::snip:: >> The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. >> --their village, birth, ? >> >> This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. ::snip::

I noticed that you said you could order films for a specific village.  Who and where would you order these films.  ----- Original Message ---- From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:35:05 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph Since you have a village name, why not order the films for that village, and see what you can find? Artolsheim is in Selestat, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, as a quick google search found. See http://www.maplandia.com/france/alsace/bas-rhin/selestat/artolsheim/ for a map. Valorie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Hi >  I am still searching for information on the Adolph family.  Valentine my gggrandfather was born abt. 1826 in France.  He was a laborer.  His wife was my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Schnell (or Snell), born in 1824 in Alsace. > My ggrandfather, also  Valentine, or called "Fritz" was born in 1862 in France a brother to Elizabeth, "Lizzie" born in 1859; Sarah, born in 1865; and Susan, "Katie" born in 1867. > > Our understand is that the family was not Catholic and those living near them were.  My great-aunt, who is 96, and still living, said that her father's family said they had people on horseback ride by and throw fire torch's at their door and scream there's going to be a killing her tonight.  (we assumed that meant since they weren't Catholice they should get out). > > Somehow the family left France and came to America in 1874.  My great-aunt said that they wanted to leave so my great grandfather didn't have to fight the Prussians as a teenager--so the story goes.  We don't know from what city they left.  We don't know on what ship they came to American as passengers.  I've checked Castle Garden and can't find any Adolph's.  I've tried Adolphus. Adolphe, etc.  My great, grandfather signed his Naturalization paper in 1880, in Ohio,  as Valentine Adolph who surrendered his allegiance from William Emperor of Germany.  A Phillip Beck also signed on his Naturalization paper.  The Beck family and the Adolph family inter-married (somewhat)  I understand Alsace-Lorraine (or the area) went back and forth over  the years controlled by Germany, then France, then Germany, etc. > > My Great-Aunt, is still living at 96.  She said that her father,  didn't have (3) names.  She also said he'd told the her that he lived at the foot of the Vosges mountains as a boy.  We do have the name Artolsheim but can't seem to find any facts to substantiate this. > > After coming to American in 1874, the Adolph Family settled in Madison Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. > > The only name we have is Artolsheim.  We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. > --their village, birth, ? > > This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. > > > If anyone has any ideas, please send them.  I'd really like to find out something more about them. > > Sincerely, > > Karen S. Adolph > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helllo Ellen, Isidor Alexander was born in Wissembourg (town) the 10 july 1845 (not 18 Sept 1847) I'll send you the birth certificat in a separate mail. Best regards, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ln769eksa@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Wissembourg Questions > > Thanks to Daniel (in France) and to Cari Thomas for the research they did > in > order to respond to my questions regarding Wissembourg. Your help is very > much appreciated. I'll be sure to let you know if I finally break through > this > particular brick wall. > > > Best regards, > Ellen Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Ln769eksa@aol.com> > To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Wissembourg Questions > > >> >> Hello Listers.... >> >> I've been trying to find information on one Isidore Alexandre who married >> Jeannette Weiller (prior to 1874, date and place unknown). Three of >> their >> children were born in Belfort between 1874 and 1879. Jeannette, I'm >> fairly certain, >> was born 1846 in Durmenach. The only Isidore Alexandre I've been able to >> find was on the list of optants which says he was born 18 Sept 1847 in >> Wissembourg. My question is, would that mean the village of Wissembourg >> or could it >> mean the Arrondissement? Also, the date of birth given is off by about 3 >> years >> compared to the date of birth stated on his children's birth records. I >> know >> that the records here in the US are frequently at odds regarding birth >> dates >> but is that something you also see in France? >> >> Will really appreciate anyone's thoughts and opinions. >> >> Ellen Alexander >> Jacksonville, Florida >> > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since you have a village name, why not order the films for that village, and see what you can find? Artolsheim is in Selestat, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, as a quick google search found. See http://www.maplandia.com/france/alsace/bas-rhin/selestat/artolsheim/ for a map. Valorie On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Hi > I am still searching for information on the Adolph family. Valentine my gggrandfather was born abt. 1826 in France. He was a laborer. His wife was my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Schnell (or Snell), born in 1824 in Alsace. > My ggrandfather, also Valentine, or called "Fritz" was born in 1862 in France a brother to Elizabeth, "Lizzie" born in 1859; Sarah, born in 1865; and Susan, "Katie" born in 1867. > > Our understand is that the family was not Catholic and those living near them were. My great-aunt, who is 96, and still living, said that her father's family said they had people on horseback ride by and throw fire torch's at their door and scream there's going to be a killing her tonight. (we assumed that meant since they weren't Catholice they should get out). > > Somehow the family left France and came to America in 1874. My great-aunt said that they wanted to leave so my great grandfather didn't have to fight the Prussians as a teenager--so the story goes. We don't know from what city they left. We don't know on what ship they came to American as passengers. I've checked Castle Garden and can't find any Adolph's. I've tried Adolphus. Adolphe, etc. My great, grandfather signed his Naturalization paper in 1880, in Ohio, as Valentine Adolph who surrendered his allegiance from William Emperor of Germany. A Phillip Beck also signed on his Naturalization paper. The Beck family and the Adolph family inter-married (somewhat) I understand Alsace-Lorraine (or the area) went back and forth over the years controlled by Germany, then France, then Germany, etc. > > My Great-Aunt, is still living at 96. She said that her father, didn't have (3) names. She also said he'd told the her that he lived at the foot of the Vosges mountains as a boy. We do have the name Artolsheim but can't seem to find any facts to substantiate this. > > After coming to American in 1874, the Adolph Family settled in Madison Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. > > The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. > --their village, birth, ? > > This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. > > > If anyone has any ideas, please send them. I'd really like to find out something more about them. > > Sincerely, > > Karen S. Adolph > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Karen, In 1891 these are the births recorded in several Departments. May be by looking at the records in these towns, you could find your ancestor's family... The ADOLPH Ranking of towns by highest concentration Period 1891 - 1915 Rank by number of births In the département de la Moselle(57) 1 Fontoy 2 Forbach 3 Morhange 4 Phalsbourg 5 Thionville In the département du Bas Rhin(67), 1 Hurtigheim 2 Scharrachbergheim Irmstett 3 Strasbourg 4 Diebolsheim 5 Eschbach In the département du Haut Rhin(68), 1 Neuf Brisach 2 Ligsdorf 3 Saint Louis 4 Volgelsheim - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Adolph Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:03 AM To: ALSACE-LORRAINE-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Karen S Adolph Subject: Re: [A-L] surname :Adolph Hi I am still searching for information on the Adolph family. Valentine my gggrandfather was born abt. 1826 in France. He was a laborer. His wife was my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Schnell (or Snell), born in 1824 in Alsace. My ggrandfather, also Valentine, or called "Fritz" was born in 1862 in France a brother to Elizabeth, "Lizzie" born in 1859; Sarah, born in 1865; and Susan, "Katie" born in 1867. Our understand is that the family was not Catholic and those living near them were. My great-aunt, who is 96, and still living, said that her father's family said they had people on horseback ride by and throw fire torch's at their door and scream there's going to be a killing her tonight. (we assumed that meant since they weren't Catholice they should get out). Somehow the family left France and came to America in 1874. My great-aunt said that they wanted to leave so my great grandfather didn't have to fight the Prussians as a teenager--so the story goes. We don't know from what city they left. We don't know on what ship they came to American as passengers. I've checked Castle Garden and can't find any Adolph's. I've tried Adolphus. Adolphe, etc. My great, grandfather signed his Naturalization paper in 1880, in Ohio, as Valentine Adolph who surrendered his allegiance from William Emperor of Germany. A Phillip Beck also signed on his Naturalization paper. The Beck family and the Adolph family inter-married (somewhat) I understand Alsace-Lorraine (or the area) went back and forth over the years controlled by Germany, then France, then Germany, etc. My Great-Aunt, is still living at 96. She said that her father, didn't have (3) names. She also said he'd told the her that he lived at the foot of the Vosges mountains as a boy. We do have the name Artolsheim but can't seem to find any facts to substantiate this. After coming to American in 1874, the Adolph Family settled in Madison Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. --their village, birth, ? This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. If anyone has any ideas, please send them. I'd really like to find out something more about them. Sincerely, Karen S. Adolph -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/2008 4:55 PM

Thanks to Daniel (in France) and to Cari Thomas for the research they did in order to respond to my questions regarding Wissembourg. Your help is very much appreciated. I'll be sure to let you know if I finally break through this particular brick wall. Best regards, Ellen Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ln769eksa@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Wissembourg Questions > > Hello Listers.... > > I've been trying to find information on one Isidore Alexandre who married > Jeannette Weiller (prior to 1874, date and place unknown). Three of their > children were born in Belfort between 1874 and 1879. Jeannette, I'm > fairly certain, > was born 1846 in Durmenach. The only Isidore Alexandre I've been able to > find was on the list of optants which says he was born 18 Sept 1847 in > Wissembourg. My question is, would that mean the village of Wissembourg > or could it > mean the Arrondissement? Also, the date of birth given is off by about 3 > years > compared to the date of birth stated on his children's birth records. I > know > that the records here in the US are frequently at odds regarding birth > dates > but is that something you also see in France? > > Will really appreciate anyone's thoughts and opinions. > > Ellen Alexander > Jacksonville, Florida > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Hi I am still searching for information on the Adolph family. Valentine my gggrandfather was born abt. 1826 in France. He was a laborer. His wife was my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Schnell (or Snell), born in 1824 in Alsace. My ggrandfather, also Valentine, or called "Fritz" was born in 1862 in France a brother to Elizabeth, "Lizzie" born in 1859; Sarah, born in 1865; and Susan, "Katie" born in 1867. Our understand is that the family was not Catholic and those living near them were. My great-aunt, who is 96, and still living, said that her father's family said they had people on horseback ride by and throw fire torch's at their door and scream there's going to be a killing her tonight. (we assumed that meant since they weren't Catholice they should get out). Somehow the family left France and came to America in 1874. My great-aunt said that they wanted to leave so my great grandfather didn't have to fight the Prussians as a teenager--so the story goes. We don't know from what city they left. We don't know on what ship they came to American as passengers. I've checked Castle Garden and can't find any Adolph's. I've tried Adolphus. Adolphe, etc. My great, grandfather signed his Naturalization paper in 1880, in Ohio, as Valentine Adolph who surrendered his allegiance from William Emperor of Germany. A Phillip Beck also signed on his Naturalization paper. The Beck family and the Adolph family inter-married (somewhat) I understand Alsace-Lorraine (or the area) went back and forth over the years controlled by Germany, then France, then Germany, etc. My Great-Aunt, is still living at 96. She said that her father, didn't have (3) names. She also said he'd told the her that he lived at the foot of the Vosges mountains as a boy. We do have the name Artolsheim but can't seem to find any facts to substantiate this. After coming to American in 1874, the Adolph Family settled in Madison Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. The only name we have is Artolsheim. We don't have another names for where they may have lived or what Artolsheim signifies. --their village, birth, ? This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. If anyone has any ideas, please send them. I'd really like to find out something more about them. Sincerely, Karen S. Adolph

To locate your ALEXANDRE in Wissembourg district I found : On Wissembourg Arrondissement (District) Census 1836 1 Alexandre in Rott 3 km from Wissembourg 4 Alexandre in Reichshoffen 26 km from Wissembourg 9 Alexandre in Kutzenhausen 15 km from Wissembourg On AGAWE web site http://www.agawe-genealogie.com/indexf.htm (Patronymes , Index) ALEXANDRE are found in Kutzenhousen 15 km from Wissembourg, Lauterbourg 19 km from Wissembourg Oberseebach 7 km from Wissembourg from to Surname Town/Village B M D 1793 1841 ALEXANDRE Kutzenhausen oo + 1794 1794 ALEXANDRE Lauterbourg + 1805 1817 ALEXANDRE Oberseebach ° oo + Durmenach (south of Alsace) is at 223 km from Wissembourg (not far from BASEL) Best regards from Alsace Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ln769eksa@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Wissembourg Questions > > Hello Listers.... > > I've been trying to find information on one Isidore Alexandre who married > Jeannette Weiller (prior to 1874, date and place unknown). Three of their > children were born in Belfort between 1874 and 1879. Jeannette, I'm > fairly certain, > was born 1846 in Durmenach. The only Isidore Alexandre I've been able to > find was on the list of optants which says he was born 18 Sept 1847 in > Wissembourg. My question is, would that mean the village of Wissembourg > or could it > mean the Arrondissement? Also, the date of birth given is off by about 3 > years > compared to the date of birth stated on his children's birth records. I > know > that the records here in the US are frequently at odds regarding birth > dates > but is that something you also see in France? > > Will really appreciate anyone's thoughts and opinions. > > Ellen Alexander > Jacksonville, Florida > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ellen, The nitty-gritty answer: It could be either. When I say I'm from Santa Barbara, that could mean I'm from Santa Barbara County (yes) OR from the city of Santa Barbara (no) OR I may have just mentioned the largest city near me (yes, since I live outside the city limits, in an unincorporated area between the cities of Santa Barbara and Goleta.) So, your Isadore could have been born actually in the town/city of Wissembourg or in any of the villages found in the arrondissement or anywhere near Wissembourg, if W was closer than any other large town/city. Don¹t you wish it could be narrowed down better? Darn! Re: your question of dates US vs EU(rope).....one must remember that most records were not written by the person involved, for instance the children¹s birth records were written by either a pastor/rabbi/priest or the mayor or other civil official (and who knows WHO gave the information?) If the mother in June 1874 said the father is 50 (AND was accurate!), resulting in a researcher stating 1824, whereas his birth date could be between June 1823 and Jun 1824. AND if the wife never knew exactly how old he was (perhaps he didn¹t know!) she may have said 47 or 48 or 49 or 50 or 51 or 52....or? Also remember that most families did not have calendars in their homes, nor have the profusion of dated memorabilia found in most homes today. Were I you, I¹d start with Jeannette¹s birth, since it¹s narrowed down to a particular village. I see the LDS has microfilmed civil reg pertinent to her birth year: France, Haut-Rhin, Durmenach - Civil registration Titles Registres de l'état civil, 1792-1882 Durmenach (Haut-Rhin). Officier de l'état civil Once you find her birth, look also for a marriage record, which MIGHT tell you specifically from where her bridegroom came. I suggest you start out with the 10 year indexes: Naissances, mariages, décès 1793-1872 Tables décennales 1802-1872 FHL INTL Film 731640 Cari Thomas ------------------- >Hello Listers.... >I've been trying to find information on one Isidore Alexandre who married Jeannette Weiller (prior to 1874, date and place unknown). Three of their children were born in Belfort between 1874 and 1879. Jeannette, I'm fairly certain, was born 1846 in Durmenach. The only Isidore Alexandre I've been able to find was on the list of optants which says he was born 18 Sept 1847 in Wissembourg. My question is, would that mean the village of Wissembourg or could it mean the Arrondissement? Also, the date of birth given is off by about 3 years compared to the date of birth stated on his children's birth records. I know that the records here in the US are frequently at odds regarding birth dates but is that something you also see in France? >Will really appreciate anyone's thoughts and opinions. >Ellen Alexander Jacksonville, Florida

Hello Listers.... I've been trying to find information on one Isidore Alexandre who married Jeannette Weiller (prior to 1874, date and place unknown). Three of their children were born in Belfort between 1874 and 1879. Jeannette, I'm fairly certain, was born 1846 in Durmenach. The only Isidore Alexandre I've been able to find was on the list of optants which says he was born 18 Sept 1847 in Wissembourg. My question is, would that mean the village of Wissembourg or could it mean the Arrondissement? Also, the date of birth given is off by about 3 years compared to the date of birth stated on his children's birth records. I know that the records here in the US are frequently at odds regarding birth dates but is that something you also see in France? Will really appreciate anyone's thoughts and opinions. Ellen Alexander Jacksonville, Florida **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Hi Charlie, Good news about the "Disparus alsaciens victimes de la conscription allemande" A CD containing the photo of 7204 persons is available for 10 euros in France at Musée du pays de la Zorn 12 rue du Général Koenig 67270 Hochfelden France Tél. : 03 88 89 04 52 Mail : museedupays@hochfelden.com It is possible to order it To order it , send a mail to museedupays@hochfelden.com Daniel Joedicke member of AGAWE The Genealogy Workshop of the Wissembourg Area North Alsace Atelier de Genealogie de l'Arrondissement de Wissembourg et Environs http://agawe-genealogie.com This area is also called "Outre-foret" in french ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie" <csherida@tampabay.rr.com> To: "ALSACE-LORRAINE@root" <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: [A-L] WWII Bas-Rhin Researching MIA-KIA ONLY > Hi, > > Thanks to a friend in France I just received the hard to acquire oversized > paper-bound 1948 - used 2 volume edition "Recueil Photographique des > Disparus du Bas-Rhin - Victimes de la Conscription Allemande de > 1942-1945". These volumes list over 6600 Alsatians from Bas-Rhin who > never returned home after WWII. I believe that these men (and several > women) were either KIA/MIA. > > Everything is written in French and German and these volumes are not all > inclusive as I know of a couple of cousins who were not included. > > The names are listed in alphabetical order and give birth dates and > villages and I believe the place where they died or went missing along > with a photo when available (over 90% have a photo most of which are > portrait). I estimate that 50% of those photos show the man in uniform. > Most appear to be soldiers although there are some sailors. I can't tell > if any were airmen. Also included in some of the details for many of the > men is a SP with a number (example: SP 19402). Does anyone know the > meaning of that code > > I'll do a look up for researchers seeking relatives from that time period, > and from BAS-RHIN Only. I'll need the name and birth village. > > REMEMBER this is WWII and almost all the men were born in the 20th > century. > > Charlie > csherida@tampabay.r.com > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Looking for anyone interested in giving direction to hunting surnames in Walheim. I have gr gr gr gr grandfather back to 1757 birth in Walheim and wife, with children on down. Would like to know if there are any connected families still in the area. Thank you, Ruth in IL, USA

To all, I accidentally dropped the O in hello! My apologies to all, most especially Etienne! Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda H. Gutierrez To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 29 July, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] WWII Bas-Rhin Researching MIA-KIA ONLY Hell Etienne, As to the old web pages, you could try Google's cached web pages. You might have some luck finding the missing pages there. You could also try the Wayback Machine at www.archive.org/web/web.php. If either of those do not help you, just Google "old web pages" and you will get a large number of choices for conducting a search for the pages you seek. Hope this helps! Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Etienne Herrbach To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 29 July, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] WWII Bas-Rhin Researching MIA-KIA ONLY Thank you Charlie for this information. I knew this book as it is consultable at the CDHF in Guebwiller, and also because is was accessible on the site of the town Hochfelden, Bas- Rhin. Unfortunately I just noticed that it has been removed from this site. Is there a website somewhere where "old" site contents have been saved?

Thank you Charlie for this information. I knew this book as it is consultable at the CDHF in Guebwiller, and also because is was accessible on the site of the town Hochfelden, Bas- Rhin. Unfortunately I just noticed that it has been removed from this site. Is there a website somewhere where "old" site contents have been saved? The soldiers listed in this book are called "Malgré-nous" (difficult to translate in English). It refers to the men from annexed Alsace and Moselle who were forced during WW2 by the Nazis to act as German soldiers against their will. Because the Nazis didn't trust them, they sent them mostly to the East front, where many of them died. Many came back after months or years of captivity in Russian camps, especially in Tambov. See <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malgré-nous> and <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambov > (in French). As to "SP", I would suggest but without enthusiasm "secteur postal" = the localization of the regiment/company at the date of death/missing. What is KIA:MIA? Etienne PS Charlie: received your scans, thanks. Pretty difficult to read! > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:16:09 -0400 > From: "Charlie" <csherida@tampabay.rr.com> > > Hi, > > Thanks to a friend in France I just received the hard to acquire > oversized paper-bound 1948 - used 2 volume edition "Recueil > Photographique des Disparus du Bas-Rhin - Victimes de la > Conscription Allemande de 1942-1945". These volumes list over 6600 > Alsatians from Bas-Rhin who never returned home after WWII. I > believe that these men (and several women) were either KIA/MIA. > > Everything is written in French and German and these volumes are not > all inclusive as I know of a couple of cousins who were not included. > > The names are listed in alphabetical order and give birth dates and > villages and I believe the place where they died or went missing > along with a photo when available (over 90% have a photo most of > which are portrait). I estimate that 50% of those photos show the > man in uniform. Most appear to be soldiers although there are some > sailors. I can't tell if any were airmen. Also included in some of > the details for many of the men is a SP with a number (example: SP > 19402). Does anyone know the meaning of that code > > I'll do a look up for researchers seeking relatives from that time > period, and from BAS-RHIN Only. I'll need the name and birth > village. > > REMEMBER this is WWII and almost all the men were born in the 20th > century. > > Charlie > csherida@tampabay.r.com