Many thanks for the suggestions and reminders to recheck old data for new information. Bob Teitelbaum

On 8/16/08, Webmail vermont <vermont@myexcel.com> wrote: > > > Dear Robert: > > I notice that in the 1900 census there is a Leopold Bloch, born April 1856, > who arrived in the US a 1870, with wife Fannie born March 1865, and > children Irvine b. Aug 1885; Jaeanette b. b. August 1887; Martin L. born > Nov 1879, and a roomer Simon Bloch born April 1875. Simon was a day laborer, > Leopold a butcher. [Your Leopold was listed as a merchant] Leopold and > Fannie had 4 children born only 3 surviving. Leopold and Fannie were married > 16 years, or about 1884. Simon was single, had arrived in the US in 1892. > > I notice that in May 1892 a Sara and Simon Boch, she was either 4 or 21, > he was 16, arrived in the US from Orenberg, RUSSLAND. Simon was a laborer. > The following year arrived a Simon Bloch, age 47, printer, on the ship > Elbe. > > I don't know any connection between Simon age 47 and Simon of 1875 and your > Leopold a nd Sarah - but the name Sarah is attached to both Simon and > Leopold. > > I hope this is a help to you. > > Please respond to me at thom@thommont.com > > Thom > > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) >> From: ROBERT TEITELBAUM <bobtbaum@verizon.net> >> Subject: [A-L] Ideas Please >> To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <910965.54117.qm@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> >> >>

Dear Robert, Have you checked the City directories (Trows)? They are like telephone directories, but more like lists of residents-without phones. There are also state census records. They were done halfway between the US census. Also try places of worship. If you have her brother's marriage certificate, she may have been a witness. Finally, was her real name Sara? I wish you success. Sincerely, Ghyll Simoneschi

Bob, Since Leopold married and had children, can you find any of his children birth records, baptisms, marriages that would mention Aunt Sara? That is the problem with women, as they marry and we cannot find them on census records under their own maiden names... Did you go back to the source in Alsace and find Leopold and Sara's birth records so you can verify the names used for Sara? And also find names of family friends: birth witnesses or godparents? Do you have the names of passengers with whom they travelled? Are some of them from the same village or similar to family friend's? Sara may have met a young man on board... - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT TEITELBAUM Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:51 AM To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Ideas Please Dear Listers, I need to pick your brains.  I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my lines.  I have either missed a source or don't know about a source.   Here's my tale:   Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869.  This is confirmed by the ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site.    Then Sara disappears -- Phoof!    Leopold turns up later, 1880.  I have his history unto death in 1909.  But no trace of her.   I have checked -     1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold                                   New York City Deaths - no hits                                   New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch marriages but neither match her                                   Email to the Castle Garden site asking the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet.                                   Variations on the name spelling - no hits   Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared.  Does anyone have any ideas about how to find her??   Bob Teitelbaum -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM

Bob you do not mention if Lleopold lived & died in NYC. I am facing a similiar problem across the river in NJ. My paternal GF & Gm show up on the census of both US & NJ but I can not find a marriage lic for them during the period it should have happened. I had hoped to find birth information which I am missing. I am going to look for a death certificate in Hudson Co. NJ and a marriage Lic in NYC and work outwards from there. Conrad Luhmann On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM, ROBERT TEITELBAUM <bobtbaum@verizon.net>wrote: > Dear Listers, > I need to pick your brains. I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my > lines. I have either missed a source or don't know about a source. > > Here's my tale: > > Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then > age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La > Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869. This is confirmed by the > ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site. > > Then Sara disappears -- Phoof! > > Leopold turns up later, 1880. I have his history unto death in 1909. But > no trace of her. > > I have checked - 1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold > New York City Deaths - no hits > New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch > marriages but neither match her > Email to the Castle Garden site asking > the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet. > Variations on the name spelling - no hits > > Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared. Does > anyone have any ideas about how to find her?? > > Bob Teitelbaum > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bob -- have you gotten Leopold's obituary, will and probate papers? Sara might be mentioned in one or all. Once you have exhausted the sources about your persons of interest, you have to widen your scope, and start methodically researching the rest of the kin, and then friends, aquaintances, travel partners, neighbors, fellow church members, co-workers, other members of associations, etc. You have gotten a lot of other great suggestions also! Good luck, Valorie On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:50 AM, ROBERT TEITELBAUM <bobtbaum@verizon.net> wrote: > Dear Listers, > I need to pick your brains. I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my lines. I have either missed a source or don't know about a source. > > Here's my tale: > > Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869. This is confirmed by the ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site. > > Then Sara disappears -- Phoof! > > Leopold turns up later, 1880. I have his history unto death in 1909. But no trace of her. > > I have checked - 1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold > New York City Deaths - no hits > New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch marriages but neither match her > Email to the Castle Garden site asking the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet. > Variations on the name spelling - no hits > > Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared. Does anyone have any ideas about how to find her??

Dear Listers, I need to pick your brains.  I have run into a U.S. dead end with one of my lines.  I have either missed a source or don't know about a source.   Here's my tale:   Great grandfather Leopold Bloch (then age 13) and his sister, Sara (then age 17) arrived in New York from Valff, Alsace, France via Hamburg or La Harve on the ship Allemannia 11 January 1869.  This is confirmed by the ship's manifest and the Castle Garden site.    Then Sara disappears -- Phoof!    Leopold turns up later, 1880.  I have his history unto death in 1909.  But no trace of her.   I have checked -     1870 US census - no hits for either Sara or Leopold                                   New York City Deaths - no hits                                   New York City Marriages - 2 Sara Bloch marriages but neither match her                                   Email to the Castle Garden site asking the meaning of their destination code - no reply yet.                                   Variations on the name spelling - no hits   Sara seems to have stepped out of Castle Garden and disappeared.  Does anyone have any ideas about how to find her??   Bob Teitelbaum

Hi all I don't know if anyone on this list can help me, but I've been trying for several years to make contact with my French penfriend from my schooldays in the 1950s and 1960s. We lost touch after she moved about 40 years ago. Her name was Maryse Lehmann, but she may have married since we last made contact. She had a brother, Jean-Claude Lehmann, and they lived in Rue Pierson, Bischwiller, Bas-Rhin, fairly close to Strasbourg. Their father was a lawyer/solicitor who worked in Strasbourg, if I remember correctly. She was probably born in 1940/41 as we were a similar age, and she visited me at home in Cardiff, South Wales for several weeks in the summer of 1956. We wrote for many years, but we lost touch after her family moved to Colmar in the 1960s. I would like to find out if she got married and where she might live now. If I could find out a married name from the records, I might be able to find where she lives now. About a year ago, writing in French, I contacted a man with the same name as her brother in the area, whose information I found on the internet, but it wasn't the right one, although he very kindly replied to me. If anyone has any suggestions to help find her birth or marriage information, or to put me in touch with the correct Jean-Claude Lehmann, I would be most grateful. Jan Hazell Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Robert, There are more Bosches outside of Alsace-Lorraine in other French departments. However, it seems that the names Weiman and Bosche are both found in Moselle according to http://www.genealogy.tm.fr/acte.htm and there is a good concentration of Dietrich there too. You may want to search villages in this department first, 730 of them, and start with the Moselle villages featured in the lists sent by Karl Roussin. See village/commune names at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communes_of_the_Moselle_department - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john busch Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:12 PM To: bobert87@yahoo.com; alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] BOSCHE-WEIMAN Hi Bob You may want to search the spelling-Busch. Busch, Bosch, Buss, Busch, Busche, Bousche are all the same family. My Busch's were also from Alsace-Lorraine and I did have some that were spelled Bosch but haven' connected them. I also am looking for the town(s) they came from. Robert Bosch <bobert87@yahoo.com> wrote: Anyone here have a BOSCHE or WEIMAN in their tree? They dropped the "E" and became BOSCH in America. 1) Louis BOSCHE (?-?) FRANCE Barbara DIETRICH (?-?) FRANCE 2) Andrew BOSCHE (1828-1893) born FRANCE immigrated about 1865 to St.Louis,MO married Katherine WEIMAN (1833-1902) immigrated about 1865 3) Mary BOSCH (1859 FRANCE-1873) 3) Louis Adrian Sr BOSCH (1861 FR-1930) 4) Louis Adrian Jr BOSCH (1884-1948) Carrie KAFKA (1863-1909) born in Baltimore-parents Bohemia Big problem is that I cannot find out which town in Alsace-Lorraine they came from. Any connections here? Thanks, Robert BOSCH(E) -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1610 - Release Date: 8/13/2008 4:14 PM

That sounded good but not the right one as he was born in 1834. Where do you find this information. I was just down to our library and had hoped to find something on the ancestor.com but I don't believe they have the full version as I did not find anything. I know he got married in WI in 1864 and was on the 1860 census for WI. Maybe you don't have the right e-mail. My e-mail is: omaandopa06@att.net. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of patriciahans Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:55 PM To: ALSACE-LORRAINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Fw: Peter Christmann Subject: Peter Christmann I tried sending this to your e-mail, but it bounced back. So here it is again......... I found some information, do not know if you have this already or not. Hope something here helps you out. Ships Names: Hermann; Post; Redwood; Heidelberg; St. Bernhard; Globe; Cimbria; Allemannia; Nederland; Hermitage; Augusta Victoria. There may be more but these were the only names I saw. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- Peter Christmann 22 yrs. old Male Origin: Bavaria Port of Departure: Harve Destination: NY Arrival: 7/1/1836 Microfilm: #M237 Mircrofilm Roll: # 30 Number# 421 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pennsylvania Vital Records: Vol. 1 Registered Marriages & Burials by Rev Johannes (pg.455) Marriage: 11/08/1807= Peter Christmann et Margretha Baido Domi. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- 7/30/1870 Census: County of Manitowoc; Town of Eaton, Wisconsin; Post Office: Kiel: Roll 1723; Book 1; pg. 66a: Peter Christmann 24, Male, White, Farmer, Value of Estate $4,000; Value of Personal Estate$465.00 Place of Birth: Prussia Susanna Christmann 52, Female, White, Keeping house Place of Birth: Prussia Mary Christmann 20, Female, White, at home Place of Birth: Prussia Catherine Christmann 15, Female, White, at home Place of Birth: Wisconsin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- Regards, Patricia -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3352 (20080813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Subject: Peter Christmann I tried sending this to your e-mail, but it bounced back. So here it is again......... I found some information, do not know if you have this already or not. Hope something here helps you out. Ships Names: Hermann; Post; Redwood; Heidelberg; St. Bernhard; Globe; Cimbria; Allemannia; Nederland; Hermitage; Augusta Victoria. There may be more but these were the only names I saw. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Christmann 22 yrs. old Male Origin: Bavaria Port of Departure: Harve Destination: NY Arrival: 7/1/1836 Microfilm: #M237 Mircrofilm Roll: # 30 Number# 421 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pennsylvania Vital Records: Vol. 1 Registered Marriages & Burials by Rev Johannes (pg.455) Marriage: 11/08/1807= Peter Christmann et Margretha Baido Domi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7/30/1870 Census: County of Manitowoc; Town of Eaton, Wisconsin; Post Office: Kiel: Roll 1723; Book 1; pg. 66a: Peter Christmann 24, Male, White, Farmer, Value of Estate $4,000; Value of Personal Estate$465.00 Place of Birth: Prussia Susanna Christmann 52, Female, White, Keeping house Place of Birth: Prussia Mary Christmann 20, Female, White, at home Place of Birth: Prussia Catherine Christmann 15, Female, White, at home Place of Birth: Wisconsin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Regards, Patricia

John There are about 203 BUSCH records in the following link. I am not sure how the link will go thru to You . If it goes thru to You only as the form page , then just enter in the surname only with France in the country block. OR fill out the entire page for a certain person. Anyway , it should give You a bunch of town names http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Karl Roussin ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "john busch" <greenieb@sbcglobal.net> To: <bobert87@yahoo.com>; <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] BOSCHE-WEIMAN > Hi Bob > You may want to search the spelling-Busch. Busch, Bosch, Buss, > Busch, Busche, Bousche are all the same family. My Busch's were also from > Alsace-Lorraine and I did have some that were spelled Bosch but haven' > connected them. I also am looking for the town(s) they came from. > > Robert Bosch <bobert87@yahoo.com> wrote: > Anyone here have a BOSCHE or WEIMAN in their tree? They dropped the "E" > and became BOSCH in America. > > 1) Louis BOSCHE (?-?) FRANCE > Barbara DIETRICH (?-?) FRANCE > 2) Andrew BOSCHE (1828-1893) born FRANCE immigrated about 1865 to > St.Louis,MO > married Katherine WEIMAN (1833-1902) immigrated about 1865 > 3) Mary BOSCH (1859 FRANCE-1873) > 3) Louis Adrian Sr BOSCH (1861 FR-1930) > 4) Louis Adrian Jr BOSCH (1884-1948) > Carrie KAFKA (1863-1909) born in Baltimore-parents Bohemia > Big problem is that I cannot find out which town in Alsace-Lorraine they > came from. > > Any connections here? > Thanks, > Robert BOSCH(E) > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert Bosch(e) Here are about 46 BOSCHE records in France . Maybe the following records will give You a town to search for. Results for: Bosche, France Exact Spelling: Off [refine search] Prepare selected records for download International Genealogical Index / Continental Europe - 46 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. Jean Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1630 Toussaint,Dio Of,Rennes, , , France 2. JACOB BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 10 JAN 1859 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 3. JEAN BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 23 APR 1823 Hargarten 4. PAUL LOUIS AUGUSTE CHARLES BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 04 MAY 1866 5. PAUL LOUIS AUGUSTE CHARLES BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 06 MAY 1866 Montreux, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, France 6. Francois Joseph <Bosche> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: JUN 1839 Chateau-Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, France 7. Nicholas Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1661 Bertrande, Bretigny, Eure, France 8. JEANNE ROCHE OR BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 08 SEP 1785 La Font, Correze, France 9. Nicolas Bosche OR Bochet - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1667 Toussaint,Dio Of,Rennes, , , France 10. Francois Joseph <Bosche> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: JUN 1839 Chateau-Landon, Seine-Et-Marne, France 11. NICOLAS BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 11 SEP 1856 12. NICOLAS BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 12 SEP 1856 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 13. JEAN PIERRE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 NOV 1857 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 14. JEAN PHILIPPE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 02 AUG 1860 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 15. JEAN PHILIPPE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 22 APR 1856 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 16. MATHIAS BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 NOV 1857 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 17. Francoise Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1812 Lyon, Rhone, France 18. Françoise Victorine Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 19 FEB 1842 19. Françoise Victorine Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 27 FEB 1842 Sainte-Marguerite, Paris, Seine, France 20. NICOLAS BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 12 SEP 1856 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 21. CATHERINE ELISABETH BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 18 FEB 1867 22. CATHERINE ELISABETH BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 FEB 1867 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 23. MARIE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 02 JUN 1862 24. MARIE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1862 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 25. ANNE MARIE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 08 MAY 1859 26. ANNE MARIE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 10 MAY 1859 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 27. ANNE CATHERINE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 20 MAY 1861 28. ANNE CATHERINE BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 22 MAY 1861 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 29. Marie Anne Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: JUL 1802 30. Marie Anne Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 AUG 1802 Cathedrale De Notre-Dame, Paris, Seine, France 31. Françoise Boschier ou Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 14 JAN 1785 Plestan, Cotes-Du-Nord, France 32. Jean Victor Antoine Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 26 JUN 1843 33. Jean Victor Antoine Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUL 1843 Paris, Seine, France 34. Francois Joseph <Bosche> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Death: 30 DEC 1839 35. Nicholas Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Death: 28 MAY 1711 36. Francois Joseph <Bosche> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Death: 30 DEC 1839 37. NICOLAS BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Death: 17 DEC 1856 38. Nicolas Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Burial: 28 MAY 1711 39. NICOLAS BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Death: 17 DEC 1856 40. Nicholas Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Burial: 28 MAY 1711 41. Françoise Boschier ou Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Death: 04 MAR 1855 Le Gouray, Cotes-Du-Nord, France 42. Jean Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1662 Toussaint,Dio Of,Rennes, , , France 43. JEAN BOSCHE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 27 AUG 1855 Hargarten-Aux-Mines, Moselle, France 44. NICOLAS BOSCHE OR BOCHET - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 11 FEB 1697 Rennes, , , France 45. Nicolas Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 11 FEB 1697 Of Bertraude,Trempe, , Bretagne Province, France 46. Nicholas Bosche - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 11 FEB 1697 Of Bertrande,Trempe, , Bretagne Province, France prev | next Prepare selected records for download ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bosch" <bobert87@yahoo.com> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [A-L] BOSCHE-WEIMAN Anyone here have a BOSCHE or WEIMAN in their tree? They dropped the "E" and became BOSCH in America. 1) Louis BOSCHE (?-?) FRANCE Barbara DIETRICH (?-?) FRANCE 2) Andrew BOSCHE (1828-1893) born FRANCE immigrated about 1865 to St.Louis,MO married Katherine WEIMAN (1833-1902) immigrated about 1865 3) Mary BOSCH (1859 FRANCE-1873) 3) Louis Adrian Sr BOSCH (1861 FR-1930) 4) Louis Adrian Jr BOSCH (1884-1948) Carrie KAFKA (1863-1909) born in Baltimore-parents Bohemia Big problem is that I cannot find out which town in Alsace-Lorraine they came from. Any connections here? 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Thank you Karl I will give it a try. I am at that proverbial wall where I can't go beyond my ggg-grandfather, Leonhard Busch. He was born abt. 1733 but I have no idea of the town. This site you gave me may help. Thanks again, John Busch Palatine, Il. Karl Roussin <kroussin@fidnet.com> wrote: John There are about 203 BUSCH records in the following link. I am not sure how the link will go thru to You . If it goes thru to You only as the form page , then just enter in the surname only with France in the country block. OR fill out the entire page for a certain person. Anyway , it should give You a bunch of town names http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Karl Roussin ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "john busch" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] BOSCHE-WEIMAN > Hi Bob > You may want to search the spelling-Busch. Busch, Bosch, Buss, > Busch, Busche, Bousche are all the same family. My Busch's were also from > Alsace-Lorraine and I did have some that were spelled Bosch but haven' > connected them. I also am looking for the town(s) they came from. > > Robert Bosch wrote: > Anyone here have a BOSCHE or WEIMAN in their tree? They dropped the "E" > and became BOSCH in America. > > 1) Louis BOSCHE (?-?) FRANCE > Barbara DIETRICH (?-?) FRANCE > 2) Andrew BOSCHE (1828-1893) born FRANCE immigrated about 1865 to > St.Louis,MO > married Katherine WEIMAN (1833-1902) immigrated about 1865 > 3) Mary BOSCH (1859 FRANCE-1873) > 3) Louis Adrian Sr BOSCH (1861 FR-1930) > 4) Louis Adrian Jr BOSCH (1884-1948) > Carrie KAFKA (1863-1909) born in Baltimore-parents Bohemia > Big problem is that I cannot find out which town in Alsace-Lorraine they > came from. > > Any connections here? > Thanks, > Robert BOSCH(E) > > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob You may want to search the spelling-Busch. Busch, Bosch, Buss, Busch, Busche, Bousche are all the same family. My Busch's were also from Alsace-Lorraine and I did have some that were spelled Bosch but haven' connected them. I also am looking for the town(s) they came from. Robert Bosch <bobert87@yahoo.com> wrote: Anyone here have a BOSCHE or WEIMAN in their tree? They dropped the "E" and became BOSCH in America. 1) Louis BOSCHE (?-?) FRANCE Barbara DIETRICH (?-?) FRANCE 2) Andrew BOSCHE (1828-1893) born FRANCE immigrated about 1865 to St.Louis,MO married Katherine WEIMAN (1833-1902) immigrated about 1865 3) Mary BOSCH (1859 FRANCE-1873) 3) Louis Adrian Sr BOSCH (1861 FR-1930) 4) Louis Adrian Jr BOSCH (1884-1948) Carrie KAFKA (1863-1909) born in Baltimore-parents Bohemia Big problem is that I cannot find out which town in Alsace-Lorraine they came from. Any connections here? Thanks, Robert BOSCH(E) -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone here have a BOSCHE or WEIMAN in their tree?  They dropped the "E" and became BOSCH in America.   1)  Louis BOSCHE (?-?)  FRANCE      Barbara DIETRICH   (?-?)  FRANCE      2) Andrew BOSCHE  (1828-1893)  born FRANCE immigrated about 1865 to St.Louis,MO          married Katherine WEIMAN (1833-1902) immigrated about 1865         3) Mary BOSCH (1859 FRANCE-1873)         3) Louis Adrian Sr BOSCH  (1861 FR-1930)              4) Louis Adrian Jr BOSCH (1884-1948)                  Carrie KAFKA (1863-1909) born in Baltimore-parents Bohemia Big problem is that I cannot find out which town in Alsace-Lorraine they came from.   Any connections here? Thanks, Robert BOSCH(E)

I looked closely at the original birth certificate and yes it could be a "r" instead of an "n". Sorry you could not send the attachment. Vista gets rather fussy for some reason. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jeravold Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:20 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... Marilyn: I tried twice to send you at your personal e-mail address the following message with an attachment (Word document): "I believe the village you are refering to is Cosswiller and not Cosswillen. Département : 67-Bas-Rhin, postal code : 67310. Région : Alsace. The attached map will show you where it is located : close to Wasselone, as you wrote, and less than 30 kilometers from Strasbourg (i.e. less than 20 miles)." It was returned by your IAP with the mention "<omaandopa06@att.net>: host scc-mailrelay.att.net[204.127.208.75] said: 550-80.12.242.145 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=att,dc=net 550 Error - Blocked for abuse." Jean-Edmond Ravold, in Grasse, France -----Message d'origine----- De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] De la part de Marilyn Potthast Envoyé : dimanche 10 août 2008 17:01 À : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Objet : Re: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... I need the exact spelling of where my gr grandfather's birth place is as I have the home town of Cosswillen and someone told me this was not correct. Could someone tell me how it is spelled. It is North east france on the border of Germany. I also have the city Hall which is called Mairie de Cosswillen. I assumed my relative got the birth certificate from there. Cannot read the mother's full name as the copy I have is very bad. He came over here sometime I think in the late 1850's. I know he married my gr grandmother in 1864 at Portland, WI. I wish I could find when he came over but cannot find any ship. I assume he would have shipped out of France. His name was Peter Christmann but of course on the birth certificate it Pierre. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karl Roussin Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:10 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... pmal69 For Your search Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town ( if You find a towns name ), of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ----- Original Message ----- From: <pmal69@aol.com> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... > Surnames:? Thiery, Metz, Bles, Delese > All of the above were my grgr and grgrgrgrandparents from Alsace Lorraine. > The names I know of are George Thiery, DOB abt 1831 - married Anna M. > Ester Metz married Philip Thiery immigrated to America around 1891. > Jean Pierre Bles married Suzanne Delese DOB? 3 Nov 1839, their daughter > Mary Bles DOB 1874, immigrated thru Galveston Texas in 1881. > If anything is familiar to anyone please contact me @ pmal69@aol.com. > Any help in finding records for the above people will be greatly > appreciated. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3342 (20080809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3342 (20080809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. 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Wow, I didn't know that Cologne 4711 had that origin. Never even thought about it. Thanks Gloria I On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Fred H Held wrote: > Köln/Cologne was never part of A-L. Napoleon did > occupy it and there is a historical result of that occupation. > > It seems that when Napoleon occupied Köln there > were no house numbers. So he commanded that a > rider go through the town and number each > building consecutively with chalk. One particular > fragrance shop was numbered 4711. Their product > was given that number as its name, and is still > sold today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4711_%28brand%29 > > > > At 03:23 PM 8/10/2008, you wrote: >> From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE -- >> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> >> >> RE: "Alsace Lorraine in North West Germany near Cologne" >> "Would any one on this list know if when France controlled the area >> Northwest of Cologne in period 1792 to 1806 or maybe later was that >> area >> known as Alsace Lorraine then?" >> >> To my knowledge, the area northwest of Cologne (German = Koln) has >> never >> been part of either Alsace (German = Elzass) or Lorraine (German = >> Lothringen). It may have been under the control of Napoleon's France >> subsequent to 1804. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Don't let your life go up in flames. Click here for the latest fire > saftey products. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vArENF27oyS9eymq5U7uLizxNw25i1t2FMOpJ0ceWabBSJ3/ > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Marilyn: I tried twice to send you at your personal e-mail address the following message with an attachment (Word document): "I believe the village you are refering to is Cosswiller and not Cosswillen. Département : 67-Bas-Rhin, postal code : 67310. Région : Alsace. The attached map will show you where it is located : close to Wasselone, as you wrote, and less than 30 kilometers from Strasbourg (i.e. less than 20 miles)." It was returned by your IAP with the mention "<omaandopa06@att.net>: host scc-mailrelay.att.net[204.127.208.75] said: 550-80.12.242.145 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=att,dc=net 550 Error - Blocked for abuse." Jean-Edmond Ravold, in Grasse, France -----Message d'origine----- De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] De la part de Marilyn Potthast Envoyé : dimanche 10 août 2008 17:01 À : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Objet : Re: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... I need the exact spelling of where my gr grandfather's birth place is as I have the home town of Cosswillen and someone told me this was not correct. Could someone tell me how it is spelled. It is North east france on the border of Germany. I also have the city Hall which is called Mairie de Cosswillen. I assumed my relative got the birth certificate from there. Cannot read the mother's full name as the copy I have is very bad. He came over here sometime I think in the late 1850's. I know he married my gr grandmother in 1864 at Portland, WI. I wish I could find when he came over but cannot find any ship. I assume he would have shipped out of France. His name was Peter Christmann but of course on the birth certificate it Pierre. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karl Roussin Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:10 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... pmal69 For Your search Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town ( if You find a towns name ), of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ----- Original Message ----- From: <pmal69@aol.com> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [A-L] Looking for ancestors.... > Surnames:? Thiery, Metz, Bles, Delese > All of the above were my grgr and grgrgrgrandparents from Alsace Lorraine. > The names I know of are George Thiery, DOB abt 1831 - married Anna M. > Ester Metz married Philip Thiery immigrated to America around 1891. > Jean Pierre Bles married Suzanne Delese DOB? 3 Nov 1839, their daughter > Mary Bles DOB 1874, immigrated thru Galveston Texas in 1881. > If anything is familiar to anyone please contact me @ pmal69@aol.com. > Any help in finding records for the above people will be greatly > appreciated. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3342 (20080809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3342 (20080809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte.

Hi Charlotte, First of all, WOW! One hundred and one - that's fantastic! Charlotte, what you need to do is examine all of the records in the US first. Church records - especially if your family was Roman Catholic - can be of help. If not, other records such as naturalization records, sometimes immigration records, offer us clues. Unfortunately, it is sometimes like looking for a needle in a haystack. When a genealogist is really lucky they will have found some records within the family that give the information. But very few of us are that fortunate, and so it will take time, a lot of research and some patience! First check with any and all family members. Ask them for copies of ANY documents, obituaries, correspondence and even photos that might help you. It is often the case that our relatives possess something that can at the very least offer us a clue. Then begin your search with US records. Trace your family back to the earliest generation in the US by investigating census records, and always keep in mind that often a surname is misspelled, so if you do not find them immediately, use alternate spellings. The same will be true with nearly all records. Once you are able to get some data, even if dates are only approximate based on census or other type records, you can try Church records and usually after 1880, town and county records. Before 1880, most areas in the US did not have regulated vital records. And even for areas where laws had been passed, they weren't always enforced until much later. For your particular area of interest you should be able to determine when the records began by searching on the internet - most likely the US GenWeb site for your area of interest will have this information or a link where you can find out what you need to know. Also, if you know where your ancestors are buried, this may be of some help in putting together your family. At the very least you will have some death dates to work with and then can search for obituaries. SOMETIMES, not always! an obit will have the name of a town or some clues to work with. Sometimes we will have to gather many different sources before we are able to put the pieces together. Other times, when we are unable to find anything with our direct ancestors, the next best thing is to research our direct ancestor's siblings. Often we are able to find more by researching these collateral lines. Be sure to look carefully through the links that Valorie gave you in her response. She has a lot of very good and helpful information on her pages. Good luck! Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte Chase To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 11 August, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding the Zarr Family My mother died in 2001 at age 101 so I can't get any more information. I will try the sites you gave me. Thanks a lot --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> wrote: From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] Finding the Zarr Family To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 4:51 PM On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Charlotte Chase <itsmecac@yahoo.com> wrote: > Could anyone help me. My mother, many years ago, said her family came from Alsace Lorraine. The family name was Zarr. I know there was a Parker Zarr that came from somewhere in Germany back in the 1800's. > > Thank you. > CHarlotte CHase Hi Charlotte. For all European research, you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general surveys such as our US Census records. So, you must do your American or Canadian research, before trying to "jump the pond" back to Europe. I have a number of suggestions for ways to do that here: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html That said, with a relatively rare name like Zarr, you might find some help here: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/surnames.html Finally, I have an introduction to research in the Alsace: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/alsace.html I hope these are helpful to you, Valorie -- All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com --