In a message dated October 12, 2008 11:48 PM JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: << Annette Burgert's book, Eighteenth Century Immigrants from The Northern Alsace lists information about Johann Georg KARCHER from the Wolfskirchen Lutheran KB: Joh. Theobald KARCHER, tanner of Wolfskirchen, and wife Anna Magdalena nee LUDMANN had children: Anna Barbara born 13 Apr. 1731 Johann Georg born 31 May 1744 Records of the Notary Public for Wolfskirchen: Date 10 Dec. 1768: "the son Johann Georg has moved to America in 1767; the daughter Anna Barbara, married, moved to America 16 years ago." Actually Johann Georg KARCHER came to America on board the Betsy in 1768 (where he is misindexed in Strassburger and Hinke's PA German Pioneers as Georg KACHER) and he settled in Rockland Township, Berks County, PA, where he married Anna Elizabeth (probably nee FOLCK). I learned this from the fact that Georg was the exec. of the estate of his mother-in-law, Elizabeth FOLCK. Assuming that she had not been widowed and remarried -- that would indicate Anna Elizabeth's maiden name would be FOLCK. I assume that Georg's sister Anna Barbara married prior to coming to America in 1752 as it would have been unlikely for a young woman to have immigrated alone at age 21 plus the wording in the Notary Public's record seems to indicate she married and then immigrated to America. I've been unable to locate a marriage record for Anna Barbara KARCHER and would really like to learn her married name. Does anyone have information on Anna Barbara or her marriage? >> +++++++++++++++++ Hi Joan, Here is what I found in the booklet of Gerhard Hein about Wolfskirchen: 1) Theobald KARCHER and Anna Magdalena LUDMANN. had children: a) Johann Theobald b. 2 Sept 1724 b) Nickel b. 17 Nov 1728, m. 29 Oct 1765 Christina SCHLOS(S)ER c) Catharina b. 8 Aug 1733 m. Johannes BADER 2) Johann Theobald KARCHER, depending of Vinstingen (now Fénétrange, departement Moselle, Lorraine, located about 10 km of Wolfskirchen), tanner, d. Wolfskirchen 2 June 1759 (aged 73 y, 5m, 13 d), m. Anna Magdalena LUDMANN, d. 7 oct 1747 ( aged 44 y, 5m). Children: a) Johann Theobald b. 2 Sept 1724, single (was not married), << majority/68 (???)>> b) Johann Michel b.30 Apr 1726, d. 22 oct 1726 c) Johann Niclaus b.15 oct 1727, d. 27 oct 1727 d) Johann Peter b. 15 oct 1727, d. 28 oct 1727 e) Anna Barbara b. 13 Apr 1731, m.''No name'', moved to America 16 years ago (in 1752) f) Gertruda Catharina b. 8 Aug 1833, m. 20 Nov 1764 Johannes BACH-ER of Wolfskirchen g) Margaretha b. 8 May 1735, d. 5 Apr 1736 h) Johann Georg b. 10 Feb1737, d. 22 Apr 1737 i) Johann Georg b. 7 May1738, d. 25 Dec1741 j) Anna Christina b.13 Jul 1740, d. 16 Dec 1741 k) Christian (or Anna Barbara) b. 30 Dec1742, d. 4Apr1744 l) Johann Georg b. 31 May 1744, moved to America in 1767 m) Johann Nicolaus b. 17 Nov 1728, m. 29 Oct 1765 in Wolfskirchen Christina SCHLOSSER (father is Theobald) - with the date 10 Dec 1768 at the end of the listing - There is also an Anna Barbara KARCHER (daughter of Johann Jacob KARCHER and Anna Margaretha JUNKER), b. 10Sept 1722 who m. 18 June 1748 Nickel KLEIN in Wolfskirchen. Also listed are: - Anna Barbara KARCHER (no father's first name) married Nicolaus STROH in Wolfskirchen - Anna Barbara KARCHER (no father's first name) married 4 Nov 1732 Hans Georg BECKER in Wolfskirchen And here is what I found by internet, according to the site http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/1751and.htm Anna Barbara KARCHER left Wolfskirchen and came to the States with the ship Anderson which arrived Philadelphia, 25 Aug 1751. She made the voyage with Hans Georg BECK and his children listed on the above website. The booklet published by Gerhard Hein and concerning Wolfskirchen gives more information: - Hans Georg BECK, carpenter, married 4 Nov 1732 Anna Barbara KARCHER They had children: a) Johann Nicolaus 18 Aug 1733, d. 9 May1735 b) Catharina Margaretha 24 June 1735 c) Anna Barbara b. 21 Sept 1737 d) Johann Niclaus b. 23 Apr 1740 e) David b. 23 June 1746 f) child (no first name) 7 Feb 1749 Hope this is not too confuse! Ewald

Believe my Debrun was actually of Fr desent. From The Alsace-lorraine area. rmoffett@tls.net

Hi Ron, According to the site http://www.cc-pays-wissembourg.fr/telechargement/emigrants.pdf Leonhard Bertschy left Cleebourg in 1840 (37 years, farmer) destination Cleveland Jean Bertschy also left Cleebourg, in 1846, brewer, destination Woodstock http://members.cox.net/smithgen/sources/ships/ships18201850notes.htm#langle1840match BERTSCHY: Léonard 32, Catherine (nee EPPEL) 31, Léonard 10, Jacques 8, Frédéric 5, Georges 3; living in Cleebourg Hope this helps Ewald +++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron C" <rechmbrs@consolidated.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [A-L] BERTSCHY > Looking for info on BERTSCHY (various spellings) around Cleebourg from > late > 1600's at least through 1850. > > Willing to share what I have. > > RON C > Ron Chambers

Ron Chambers Check out the following LDS FHC link at; http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp There are over 34 Bertschy ( various spellings ) , that are shown in that link. I used the country of France to search in for the surname. There may be some Bertschy surnames in the Germany records too , because the area switched back and forth several times , from France to Germany. So try Germany in the " country " window , and/or try the " all countries " window block Karl Roussin ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron C" <rechmbrs@consolidated.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: [A-L] BERTSCHY > Looking for info on BERTSCHY (various spellings) around Cleebourg from > late > 1600's at least through 1850. > > Willing to share what I have. > > RON C > Ron Chambers > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for info on BERTSCHY (various spellings) around Cleebourg from late 1600's at least through 1850. Willing to share what I have. RON C Ron Chambers

JIm Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town ( if You find the town's name ), of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ========================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn richard" <cjrich1@msn.com> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [A-L] Hello This Is My First Post To Your Web Site. > Hello: > This is my first Post to your web site, > Our family has a tradition that says my Father's 3rd Great-grandfather > was Samuel Richard- reichert??? > Who came from your area or his family that is. > around 1787also I was told this info Samuel Richard " 12 MA" has any > one done any research on this, or his family ??? > Samuel Richard was in Westmoreland PA USA. > Back in 1830. > The story was that Samuel Richard was from your area ?? > Here is my other Email address baronrichard@q.com > hope to hear from some one ???? > Jim > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Annette Burgert's book, Eighteenth Century Immigrants from The Northern Alsace lists information about Johann Georg KARCHER from the Wolfskirchen Lutheran KB: Joh. Theobald KARCHER, tanner of Wolfskirchen, and wife Anna Magdalena nee LUDMANN had children: Anna Barbara born 13 Apr. 1731 Johann Georg born 31 May 1744 Records of the Notary Public for Wolfskirchen: Date 10 Dec. 1768: "the son Johann Georg has moved to America in 1767; the daughter Anna Barbara, married, moved to America 16 years ago." Actually Johann Georg KARCHER came to America on board the Betsy in 1768 (where he is misindexed in Strassburger and Hinke's PA German Pioneers as Georg KACHER) and he settled in Rockland Township, Berks County, PA, where he married Anna Elizabeth (probably nee FOLCK). I learned this from the fact that Georg was the exec. of the estate of his mother-in-law, Elizabeth FOLCK. Assuming that she had not been widowed and remarried -- that would indicate Anna Elizabeth's maiden name would be FOLCK. I assume that Georg's sister Anna Barbara married prior to coming to America in 1752 as it would have been unlikely for a young woman to have immigrated alone at age 21 plus the wording in the Notary Public's record seems to indicate she married and then immigrated to America. I've been unable to locate a marriage record for Anna Barbara KARCHER and would really like to learn her married name. Does anyone have information on Anna Barbara or her marriage? Joan **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Dear Valorie: Thank you for your email and your points . Will follow them and hopefully latter I hope I could Get back to you When I have Narrowed down to a city ?? Will try to get intouch with MS Howie first ? And will Look at NYU . Then I'll Sign off Your list to I can Get More Detail Info. Thank you again Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valorie Zimmerman" <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Hello This Is My First Post To Your Web Site. > Hi Jim, it sounds as if you need to do some more American research. > For all European research, you must have a village name, or at least a > small region with a few villages, because that is where all the > records are kept! There are few to no departement, county or > region-wide censuses or other general surveys such as our US Census > records. So, you must do your American or Canadian research, before > trying to "jump the pond" back to Europe. > > Have you found the naturalization applications? Often the first and > second application contain much more detail than the final > certificate. How about obituaries, in particular those published in > small local newspapers, church publications, or German or French > newspapers? Many of the old newspapers are available on microfilm. For > instance, see the holdings of the NYU: > http://library.nyu.edu/research/german/. These microfilms will often > be available by Inter-Library Loan. Talk to your librarian about local > policies. http://valoriez.blogspot.com/2004/03/obituaries.html, > http://valoriez.blogspot.com/2003/12/death-records-obituaries-biographies.html > and http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa071299.htm might have > more help on that. For more ideas, see: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html > > Also, are you in contact with this researcher? > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=marilynhowe > > She has a Samuel Richard in Westmoreland County PA. > > Valorie > > PS: This isn't a website, but an email list. > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:09 PM, carolyn richard <cjrich1@msn.com> wrote: >> Hello: >> This is my first Post to your web site, >> Our family has a tradition that says my Father's 3rd Great-grandfather >> was Samuel Richard- reichert??? >> Who came from your area or his family that is. >> around 1787also I was told this info Samuel Richard " 12 MA" has any >> one done any research on this, or his family ??? >> Samuel Richard was in Westmoreland PA USA. >> Back in 1830. >> The story was that Samuel Richard was from your area ?? >> Here is my other Email address baronrichard@q.com >> hope to hear from some one ???? >> Jim > > -- > Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez > Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ > All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jim, it sounds as if you need to do some more American research. For all European research, you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general surveys such as our US Census records. So, you must do your American or Canadian research, before trying to "jump the pond" back to Europe. Have you found the naturalization applications? Often the first and second application contain much more detail than the final certificate. How about obituaries, in particular those published in small local newspapers, church publications, or German or French newspapers? Many of the old newspapers are available on microfilm. For instance, see the holdings of the NYU: http://library.nyu.edu/research/german/. These microfilms will often be available by Inter-Library Loan. Talk to your librarian about local policies. http://valoriez.blogspot.com/2004/03/obituaries.html, http://valoriez.blogspot.com/2003/12/death-records-obituaries-biographies.html and http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa071299.htm might have more help on that. For more ideas, see: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html Also, are you in contact with this researcher? http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=marilynhowe She has a Samuel Richard in Westmoreland County PA. Valorie PS: This isn't a website, but an email list. On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:09 PM, carolyn richard <cjrich1@msn.com> wrote: > Hello: > This is my first Post to your web site, > Our family has a tradition that says my Father's 3rd Great-grandfather > was Samuel Richard- reichert??? > Who came from your area or his family that is. > around 1787also I was told this info Samuel Richard " 12 MA" has any one done any research on this, or his family ??? > Samuel Richard was in Westmoreland PA USA. > Back in 1830. > The story was that Samuel Richard was from your area ?? > Here is my other Email address baronrichard@q.com > hope to hear from some one ???? > Jim -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Hello: This is my first Post to your web site, Our family has a tradition that says my Father's 3rd Great-grandfather was Samuel Richard- reichert??? Who came from your area or his family that is. around 1787also I was told this info Samuel Richard " 12 MA" has any one done any research on this, or his family ??? Samuel Richard was in Westmoreland PA USA. Back in 1830. The story was that Samuel Richard was from your area ?? Here is my other Email address baronrichard@q.com hope to hear from some one ???? Jim

Hi Nancy, Here are three sources for you and your search of Charles F. Blattau that you may not have used yet. 1. www.oakvilleblackwalnut.blogspot.com/2006/08/william-holtermann.html 2. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/stl4th.htm 3. Just GOOGLE Charles Frederick Blattau and the very first listing that comes up will be Digitzation Projects Philologic Results. Right under the title will be Charles' name. He was an interesting person if this is the same one. The dates fit with what you have told us. The two sites I listed above can be found further down the page. Have fun. Narda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Cruse" <ncruse@socket.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: [A-L] Searching BLATTAU > Hi, > > I just joined the group. I live in Hannibal, Missouri, USA. In case > you are not familiar with Hannibal that is the town that Mark Twain > wrote about in his stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. > > I have an ancestor named Charles Fredrick BLATTAU. He married in 5 Oct > 1847 Anna Christina KAISER. I am not sure if they married in St. Louis, > Missouri or before they arrived. They had a daughter, Augusta BLATTAU > who was born in St. Louis, Missouri in 1861. In the US census it states > that Augusta's Father was born in France, but in another source it > states that he was from Germany. BLATTAU sounds more French than > German, so I thought maybe the Alsace-Lorraine region might be the > answer to both since it has been part of both countries at one time or > another. > > I do not know when either Charles or his wife were born, but if I have > to guess I would say sometime in the late 1820's since they were married > in 1847. I am also thinking that there were more children before > Augusta since she was not born until 1861, about 14 years after > marriage. So, I am also looking for possible children with the name > BLATTAU being born in the 1850's. > > Is BLATTAU a familiar name to anyone doing research in Alsace-Lorraine > area, or is it still an existing name to anyone that is living there > right now? > > Any help or direction would be appreciated> > > Nancy Cruse > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With this date you should be able to view the actual record via te Family History Center microfilms. There may be additional info regarding their place of birth. Title: Marriage records of St. Louis and St. Louis Co., 1806-1965 Authors: St. Louis (Missouri). City Recorder (Main Author) Notes: Microfilm of original records in the St. Louis City Hall. Includes index. Format: Manuscript (On Film) Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1967-1968 References: (Part Indexed) Index to St. Louis marriages, [1804-1876] Marriage records, v. 3 1843-1848 - FHL US/CAN Film [ 469562 ] - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karl Roussin Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Searching BLATTAU Nancy In the IGI , is recorded that They married in St. Louis , MO as follows; Search Results | Download -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARLES FRIDERIC BLATTAU Pedigree Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: MARIE CHRISTINE KAISER Family Marriage: 05 OCT 1847 Saint Louis, St Louis, Missouri

Once you have exhausted the most-used record sources, then you have two choices -- go deeper, and go wider. By going deeper, I mean exploring legal, political and land records, which you will find in the FHL catalog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/make-family-history-library-catalog.html I would also contact the St. Louis Genealogy Society, which is very active, and ask their advice. By going wider, I mean investigating ALL relatives, friends, neighbors, fellow immigrants, business associates, church and club members, etc. Once you know your people and their milieu completely, you WILL find the village or at least small area they came from, because you will see the patterns. With a rare surname, you'll really want to do a One Name Study, too. Your surname seems very rare -- I don't find a message board at Rootsweb for it, nor do I find any entries in Linkpendium.com! You might try some of the resources here, since it's so rare: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/surnames.html All the best, Valorie On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Nancy Cruse <ncruse@socket.net> wrote: > Valorie, > > Thanks for the suggestions, but I have tried all that you mentioned > except the NYU. I have gone through all the microfilm that the St. > Louis Library has to offer. > I have checked everything that the National Archives in Washington D. C. > and Ancestry on the internet have to offer and have come up with nothing > but what I have included in my previous email. I have been looking for > these people since I lived in D. C. in the 1980's. All I have is the > name France and Germany. Maybe they did not want to be found. I do not > even know what year they arrived, a port of entry, or a ship name. I > have searched every census that they could have appeared, the cemetery > where every other family member is buried does not have them and as for > death records all I have is a death year. > > Since Augusta the daughter was b. in St. Louis in 1861 I know they were > here before then, but not how many years before. Their descendants > attended the same Catholic church for generations, so I think they were > probably Catholic, but that Catholic Church in St. Louis is not giving > out information . So, that door is closed. > > That is why I tried the alsace-lorraine site. Maybe the names were > prominent and someone would immediately know what I was looking for. > > > Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> Hi Nancy -- it sounds like you need to do a bit more American >> research, before trying to "jump the pond." For all European research, >> you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few >> villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are >> few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general >> surveys such as our US Census records. >> >> Have you found the naturalization applications? Often the first and >> second application contain much more detail than the final >> certificate. How about obituaries, in particular those published in >> small local newspapers, church publications, or German or French >> newspapers? Many of the old newspapers are available on microfilm. For >> instance, see the holdings of the NYU: >> http://library.nyu.edu/research/german/. These microfilms will often >> be available by Inter-Library Loan. Talk to your librarian about local >> policies. >> >> For much more about this subject, see: >> >> http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html ::snip old:: -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Nancy In the IGI , is recorded that They married in St. Louis , MO as follows; Search Results | Download -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARLES FRIDERIC BLATTAU Pedigree Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: MARIE CHRISTINE KAISER Family Marriage: 05 OCT 1847 Saint Louis, St Louis, Missouri -------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch Number: 7625902 Sheet: 69 Source Call No.: 1058753 Type: ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Cruse" <ncruse@socket.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: [A-L] Searching BLATTAU > Hi, > > I just joined the group. I live in Hannibal, Missouri, USA. In case > you are not familiar with Hannibal that is the town that Mark Twain > wrote about in his stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. > > I have an ancestor named Charles Fredrick BLATTAU. He married in 5 Oct > 1847 Anna Christina KAISER. I am not sure if they married in St. Louis, > Missouri or before they arrived. They had a daughter, Augusta BLATTAU > who was born in St. Louis, Missouri in 1861. In the US census it states > that Augusta's Father was born in France, but in another source it > states that he was from Germany. BLATTAU sounds more French than > German, so I thought maybe the Alsace-Lorraine region might be the > answer to both since it has been part of both countries at one time or > another. > > I do not know when either Charles or his wife were born, but if I have > to guess I would say sometime in the late 1820's since they were married > in 1847. I am also thinking that there were more children before > Augusta since she was not born until 1861, about 14 years after > marriage. So, I am also looking for possible children with the name > BLATTAU being born in the 1850's. > > Is BLATTAU a familiar name to anyone doing research in Alsace-Lorraine > area, or is it still an existing name to anyone that is living there > right now? > > Any help or direction would be appreciated> > > Nancy Cruse > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, >From the site http://www.genealogy.tm.fr/acte.htm it seems the name Blatteau (different spelling) was mostly found in the department des Deux-Sevres in France, with 305 communes (towns-villages). It is part of the Region Poitou-Charentes. Blattau in fact sounds more German, but it seems in contradiction with the fact that the family was Catholic. - Giliane -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Cruse Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:00 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Searching BLATTAU Valorie, Thanks for the suggestions, but I have tried all that you mentioned except the NYU. I have gone through all the microfilm that the St. Louis Library has to offer. I have checked everything that the National Archives in Washington D. C. and Ancestry on the internet have to offer and have come up with nothing but what I have included in my previous email. I have been looking for these people since I lived in D. C. in the 1980's. All I have is the name France and Germany. Maybe they did not want to be found. I do not even know what year they arrived, a port of entry, or a ship name. I have searched every census that they could have appeared, the cemetery where every other family member is buried does not have them and as for death records all I have is a death year. Since Augusta the daughter was b. in St. Louis in 1861 I know they were here before then, but not how many years before. Their descendants attended the same Catholic church for generations, so I think they were probably Catholic, but that Catholic Church in St. Louis is not giving out information . So, that door is closed. That is why I tried the alsace-lorraine site. Maybe the names were prominent and someone would immediately know what I was looking for. Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi Nancy -- it sounds like you need to do a bit more American > research, before trying to "jump the pond." For all European research, > you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few > villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are > few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general > surveys such as our US Census records. > > Have you found the naturalization applications? Often the first and > second application contain much more detail than the final > certificate. How about obituaries, in particular those published in > small local newspapers, church publications, or German or French > newspapers? Many of the old newspapers are available on microfilm. For > instance, see the holdings of the NYU: > http://library.nyu.edu/research/german/. These microfilms will often > be available by Inter-Library Loan. Talk to your librarian about local > policies. > > For much more about this subject, see: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html > > All the best, > > Valorie > > PS: My husband has KEISERs in his line also. His people came from > Ostfriesland to Illinois in the 1850s, also by way of New Orleans and > the Mississippi River. More and more of those New Orleans immigration > records are indexed, so be sure to search those. There are a number of > BLATTEAU records at Ancestry, which I can send to you privately if you > don't have access to them. > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Nancy Cruse <ncruse@socket.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just joined the group. I live in Hannibal, Missouri, USA. In case >> you are not familiar with Hannibal that is the town that Mark Twain >> wrote about in his stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. >> >> I have an ancestor named Charles Fredrick BLATTAU. He married in 5 Oct >> 1847 Anna Christina KAISER. I am not sure if they married in St. Louis, >> Missouri or before they arrived. They had a daughter, Augusta BLATTAU >> who was born in St. Louis, Missouri in 1861. In the US census it states >> that Augusta's Father was born in France, but in another source it >> states that he was from Germany. BLATTAU sounds more French than >> German, so I thought maybe the Alsace-Lorraine region might be the >> answer to both since it has been part of both countries at one time or >> another. >> >> I do not know when either Charles or his wife were born, but if I have >> to guess I would say sometime in the late 1820's since they were married >> in 1847. I am also thinking that there were more children before >> Augusta since she was not born until 1861, about 14 years after >> marriage. So, I am also looking for possible children with the name >> BLATTAU being born in the 1850's. >> >> Is BLATTAU a familiar name to anyone doing research in Alsace-Lorraine >> area, or is it still an existing name to anyone that is living there >> right now? >> >> Any help or direction would be appreciated> >> >> Nancy Cruse >> > > -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM

Valorie, Thanks for the suggestions, but I have tried all that you mentioned except the NYU. I have gone through all the microfilm that the St. Louis Library has to offer. I have checked everything that the National Archives in Washington D. C. and Ancestry on the internet have to offer and have come up with nothing but what I have included in my previous email. I have been looking for these people since I lived in D. C. in the 1980's. All I have is the name France and Germany. Maybe they did not want to be found. I do not even know what year they arrived, a port of entry, or a ship name. I have searched every census that they could have appeared, the cemetery where every other family member is buried does not have them and as for death records all I have is a death year. Since Augusta the daughter was b. in St. Louis in 1861 I know they were here before then, but not how many years before. Their descendants attended the same Catholic church for generations, so I think they were probably Catholic, but that Catholic Church in St. Louis is not giving out information . So, that door is closed. That is why I tried the alsace-lorraine site. Maybe the names were prominent and someone would immediately know what I was looking for. Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi Nancy -- it sounds like you need to do a bit more American > research, before trying to "jump the pond." For all European research, > you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few > villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are > few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general > surveys such as our US Census records. > > Have you found the naturalization applications? Often the first and > second application contain much more detail than the final > certificate. How about obituaries, in particular those published in > small local newspapers, church publications, or German or French > newspapers? Many of the old newspapers are available on microfilm. For > instance, see the holdings of the NYU: > http://library.nyu.edu/research/german/. These microfilms will often > be available by Inter-Library Loan. Talk to your librarian about local > policies. > > For much more about this subject, see: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html > > All the best, > > Valorie > > PS: My husband has KEISERs in his line also. His people came from > Ostfriesland to Illinois in the 1850s, also by way of New Orleans and > the Mississippi River. More and more of those New Orleans immigration > records are indexed, so be sure to search those. There are a number of > BLATTEAU records at Ancestry, which I can send to you privately if you > don't have access to them. > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Nancy Cruse <ncruse@socket.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just joined the group. I live in Hannibal, Missouri, USA. In case >> you are not familiar with Hannibal that is the town that Mark Twain >> wrote about in his stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. >> >> I have an ancestor named Charles Fredrick BLATTAU. He married in 5 Oct >> 1847 Anna Christina KAISER. I am not sure if they married in St. Louis, >> Missouri or before they arrived. They had a daughter, Augusta BLATTAU >> who was born in St. Louis, Missouri in 1861. In the US census it states >> that Augusta's Father was born in France, but in another source it >> states that he was from Germany. BLATTAU sounds more French than >> German, so I thought maybe the Alsace-Lorraine region might be the >> answer to both since it has been part of both countries at one time or >> another. >> >> I do not know when either Charles or his wife were born, but if I have >> to guess I would say sometime in the late 1820's since they were married >> in 1847. I am also thinking that there were more children before >> Augusta since she was not born until 1861, about 14 years after >> marriage. So, I am also looking for possible children with the name >> BLATTAU being born in the 1850's. >> >> Is BLATTAU a familiar name to anyone doing research in Alsace-Lorraine >> area, or is it still an existing name to anyone that is living there >> right now? >> >> Any help or direction would be appreciated> >> >> Nancy Cruse >> > >

Hi Nancy, Have you checked to see if the LDS has filmed the church records in St. Louis? I know the ones in my area of research (Rochester, NY) were filmed and are available to search. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Cruse To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 09 October, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] Searching BLATTAU Valorie, Thanks for the suggestions, but I have tried all that you mentioned except the NYU. I have gone through all the microfilm that the St. Louis Library has to offer. I have checked everything that the National Archives in Washington D. C. and Ancestry on the internet have to offer and have come up with nothing but what I have included in my previous email. I have been looking for these people since I lived in D. C. in the 1980's. All I have is the name France and Germany. Maybe they did not want to be found. I do not even know what year they arrived, a port of entry, or a ship name. I have searched every census that they could have appeared, the cemetery where every other family member is buried does not have them and as for death records all I have is a death year. Since Augusta the daughter was b. in St. Louis in 1861 I know they were here before then, but not how many years before. Their descendants attended the same Catholic church for generations, so I think they were probably Catholic, but that Catholic Church in St. Louis is not giving out information . So, that door is closed. That is why I tried the alsace-lorraine site. Maybe the names were prominent and someone would immediately know what I was looking for. Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi Nancy -- it sounds like you need to do a bit more American > research, before trying to "jump the pond." For all European research, > you must have a village name, or at least a small region with a few > villages, because that is where all the records are kept! There are > few to no departement, county or region-wide censuses or other general > surveys such as our US Census records. > > Have you found the naturalization applications? Often the first and > second application contain much more detail than the final > certificate. How about obituaries, in particular those published in > small local newspapers, church publications, or German or French > newspapers? Many of the old newspapers are available on microfilm. For > instance, see the holdings of the NYU: > http://library.nyu.edu/research/german/. These microfilms will often > be available by Inter-Library Loan. Talk to your librarian about local > policies. > > For much more about this subject, see: > > http://genweblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/european-research.html > > All the best, > > Valorie > > PS: My husband has KEISERs in his line also. His people came from > Ostfriesland to Illinois in the 1850s, also by way of New Orleans and > the Mississippi River. More and more of those New Orleans immigration > records are indexed, so be sure to search those. There are a number of > BLATTEAU records at Ancestry, which I can send to you privately if you > don't have access to them. > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Nancy Cruse <ncruse@socket.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just joined the group. I live in Hannibal, Missouri, USA. In case >> you are not familiar with Hannibal that is the town that Mark Twain >> wrote about in his stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. >> >> I have an ancestor named Charles Fredrick BLATTAU. He married in 5 Oct >> 1847 Anna Christina KAISER. I am not sure if they married in St. Louis, >> Missouri or before they arrived. They had a daughter, Augusta BLATTAU >> who was born in St. Louis, Missouri in 1861. In the US census it states >> that Augusta's Father was born in France, but in another source it >> states that he was from Germany. BLATTAU sounds more French than >> German, so I thought maybe the Alsace-Lorraine region might be the >> answer to both since it has been part of both countries at one time or >> another. >> >> I do not know when either Charles or his wife were born, but if I have >> to guess I would say sometime in the late 1820's since they were married >> in 1847. I am also thinking that there were more children before >> Augusta since she was not born until 1861, about 14 years after >> marriage. So, I am also looking for possible children with the name >> BLATTAU being born in the 1850's. >> >> Is BLATTAU a familiar name to anyone doing research in Alsace-Lorraine >> area, or is it still an existing name to anyone that is living there >> right now? >> >> Any help or direction would be appreciated> >> >> Nancy Cruse >> > > -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I just joined the group. I live in Hannibal, Missouri, USA. In case you are not familiar with Hannibal that is the town that Mark Twain wrote about in his stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. I have an ancestor named Charles Fredrick BLATTAU. He married in 5 Oct 1847 Anna Christina KAISER. I am not sure if they married in St. Louis, Missouri or before they arrived. They had a daughter, Augusta BLATTAU who was born in St. Louis, Missouri in 1861. In the US census it states that Augusta's Father was born in France, but in another source it states that he was from Germany. BLATTAU sounds more French than German, so I thought maybe the Alsace-Lorraine region might be the answer to both since it has been part of both countries at one time or another. I do not know when either Charles or his wife were born, but if I have to guess I would say sometime in the late 1820's since they were married in 1847. I am also thinking that there were more children before Augusta since she was not born until 1861, about 14 years after marriage. So, I am also looking for possible children with the name BLATTAU being born in the 1850's. Is BLATTAU a familiar name to anyone doing research in Alsace-Lorraine area, or is it still an existing name to anyone that is living there right now? Any help or direction would be appreciated> Nancy Cruse

My maternal side has had an oral tradition of Christopher Reiner and Sophie/Sabine Wehner coming from this region to the USA in the 1850s. The fed census has Prussia, Bayern, Bavaria, and Wurttemberg on various Censuses. How do I proceed??? lilwolf53@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Check out the FHC link at; http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Fill out all of the blank windows that You know about , then click search. If You are not sure of the country , click " all countries " , in the drop down window ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT PHELAN" <lilwolf53@earthlink.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: [A-L] Oral tradition > My maternal side has had an oral tradition of Christopher Reiner and > Sophie/Sabine Wehner coming from this region to the USA in the 1850s. The > fed census has Prussia, Bayern, Bavaria, and Wurttemberg on various > Censuses. How do I proceed??? > > > lilwolf53@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message