Here and in my records and on the A-L maps I see a lot of names with -willer suffix. Does the word have any special meaning?? I have a neighbor Tuckwiller. -eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: <harand8479@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > has anyone checked the 1836 Census at Wissembourg?? it lists one Gillich > in Bouxwiller, Drulingen, LaPetite-Pierre, and Sarre-Union.... > > www.census1836.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Roussin <kroussin@fidnet.com> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:51 am > Subject: Re: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > > > > Catherine > You do not have very much info to search for , maybe You have more info > that You did not send in. > For Your search > Check out > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp > or > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > or > http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ > > Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " > > If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films > , > of that town ( if You find the towns name ), of that time , > from the FHC library > > Karl Roussin > ============================================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cath Skeet" <cskeet@optusnet.com.au> > To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:58 AM > Subject: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > > >> Hi, I'm new to the list and have just found out that the person I'm >> researching was born in Alsace-Lorraine. >> >> >> >> The IGI at Family Search has two families listed with the name of >> GILLICH, >> as being born in Bischwiller. As the records only go as far as 1827, I'm >> hoping some kind lister could look up the 1836 census and see if there >> are >> anymore members of these two families. In particular I'm looking for a >> George or William GILLICH. >> >> >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Catherine >> >> Melbourne Australia. >> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I'm new to the list and have just found out that the person I'm researching was born in Alsace-Lorraine. The IGI at Family Search has two families listed with the name of GILLICH, as being born in Bischwiller. As the records only go as far as 1827, I'm hoping some kind lister could look up the 1836 census and see if there are anymore members of these two families. In particular I'm looking for a George or William GILLICH. Many Thanks Catherine Melbourne Australia.

has anyone checked the 1836 Census at Wissembourg?? it lists one Gillich in Bouxwiller, Drulingen, LaPetite-Pierre, and Sarre-Union.... www.census1836.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Karl Roussin <kroussin@fidnet.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:51 am Subject: Re: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH Catherine You do not have very much info to search for , maybe You have more info that You did not send in. For Your search Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town ( if You find the towns name ), of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cath Skeet" <cskeet@optusnet.com.au> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > Hi, I'm new to the list and have just found out that the person I'm > researching was born in Alsace-Lorraine. > > > > The IGI at Family Search has two families listed with the name of GILLICH, > as being born in Bischwiller. As the records only go as far as 1827, I'm > hoping some kind lister could look up the 1836 census and see if there are > anymore members of these two families. In particular I'm looking for a > George or William GILLICH. > > > > Many Thanks > > Catherine > > Melbourne Australia. > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks! Catherine Wells Mensi ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Roussin To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH Catherine You do not have very much info to search for , maybe You have more info that You did not send in. For Your search Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town ( if You find the towns name ), of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cath Skeet" <cskeet@optusnet.com.au> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > Hi, I'm new to the list and have just found out that the person I'm > researching was born in Alsace-Lorraine. > > > > The IGI at Family Search has two families listed with the name of GILLICH, > as being born in Bischwiller. As the records only go as far as 1827, I'm > hoping some kind lister could look up the 1836 census and see if there are > anymore members of these two families. In particular I'm looking for a > George or William GILLICH. > > > > Many Thanks > > Catherine > > Melbourne Australia. > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Catherine- - I looked up where the records for Bischwiller and Hanhoffen. Some of the records for these villages are in with the GRIES, Bas Rhine, France records. There are 10 year indexes which will make it easier to check to see if they are in this area. Miriam Hall-Hansen Miriam CW Hall-Hansen mchall@xmission.com "The point is that they lived"... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cath Skeet" <cskeet@optusnet.com.au> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:58 AM Subject: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > Hi, I'm new to the list and have just found out that the person I'm > researching was born in Alsace-Lorraine. > > > > The IGI at Family Search has two families listed with the name of GILLICH, > as being born in Bischwiller. As the records only go as far as 1827, I'm > hoping some kind lister could look up the 1836 census and see if there are > anymore members of these two families. In particular I'm looking for a > George or William GILLICH. > > > > Many Thanks > > Catherine > > Melbourne Australia. > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Catherine You do not have very much info to search for , maybe You have more info that You did not send in. For Your search Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town ( if You find the towns name ), of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cath Skeet" <cskeet@optusnet.com.au> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: [A-L] 1836 census Bischwiller - GILLICH > Hi, I'm new to the list and have just found out that the person I'm > researching was born in Alsace-Lorraine. > > > > The IGI at Family Search has two families listed with the name of GILLICH, > as being born in Bischwiller. As the records only go as far as 1827, I'm > hoping some kind lister could look up the 1836 census and see if there are > anymore members of these two families. In particular I'm looking for a > George or William GILLICH. > > > > Many Thanks > > Catherine > > Melbourne Australia. > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Karen, I assume you know the family probably settled in Madison Township, Muskingham County, Ohio. In 1880 this is the only Valentine Adolph listed in the US census. Tell us more of what you know if this is correct. Do you know of descendants in addition to your gg aunt. What is her name and where is she from in the US. I know that advice will be to start in the US and this is definitely a beginning. I'm sure they were Protestant. Elizabeth's burial place is recorded and I assume Valentine was buried in the same place. Gloria Ishida On Oct 26, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Karen Adolph wrote: > I am still looking for information on Valentine Adolph-Elizabeth > (Schnell )Adolph. Time-frame is 1820's until they coming to America > in mid-l870's. All I have is that they lived "at the foot" of the > Vosges Mtns. in Alsace-Lorraine. They were non-Catholic and > apparently were "encouraged to leave" where they lived because of > this. (according to my ggAunt who is now 95). They were friends > and family of the Becks who also came to America mid-1870's. I have > heard from one person near (modern-day) Mulhouse but to no avail. > Thanks in advance. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Earhardt may have evolved into Earnhard or Earnhardt a common name in Rowan and Iredell counties of NC.? My Gough and Algood relatives migrated from SW VA to NW North Carolina.? Cynthia -----Original Message----- From: Eddie Howard <swvaroot@pemtel.net> To: ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:43 pm Subject: [A-L] Surnames of SW Virginia Hi, I am searching for families that migrated into SW Virginia from Germany in the period 1750 - 1800 . They came to Philidephia in the period 1730-70, worked off their indenture and moved west to Frederick, MD and then down the Great Valley of VA / Shenandoah to SW VA, TN, N. Carolina. According to the ship record they were from Pfalz and Alsace. I have found German records with this surnames but most records are hard to read. I have searched the LDS familysearch.com data and found this families in these regions. But in the 17th century there must have been a lot of movement as I find the families in other parts of Germany. I hope to get help locating other source available online to trace these families back to Germany. I think religion may have played an important part in the movement of these families. Some of the family surnames are: Flinner, Gobel, Minnich, Hertenstein, Linder, Kaylor, Hopp, Earhardt, Hobbs, Wentzel, Emmerich, Volkerson, Funkhouser, Gucker, Fuchs, Andtes, Hemmery, Eva, Schmacher. Names on the ship list: Klein, Margel, Maning, Horatz, Homan, Krug, Fischer, Schunck, Flohri, Aldt, Rentz, Gander, Boger, Dogent, Debeer, Heiner, Susser, Heldmann, Meister, Werthmuller, Losch, Kullmann, Lent, Fey, Hauss, Abel, Uhting, Dech, Kleinpeter, Hauswirth, Seidel, Mey, Gleim. Of course the spelling can vary greatly, even to the point of not being recognized. Thanks. -eddie -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm

Hi, I am searching for families that migrated into SW Virginia from Germany in the period 1750 - 1800 . They came to Philidephia in the period 1730-70, worked off their indenture and moved west to Frederick, MD and then down the Great Valley of VA / Shenandoah to SW VA, TN, N. Carolina. According to the ship record they were from Pfalz and Alsace. I have found German records with this surnames but most records are hard to read. I have searched the LDS familysearch.com data and found this families in these regions. But in the 17th century there must have been a lot of movement as I find the families in other parts of Germany. I hope to get help locating other source available online to trace these families back to Germany. I think religion may have played an important part in the movement of these families. Some of the family surnames are: Flinner, Gobel, Minnich, Hertenstein, Linder, Kaylor, Hopp, Earhardt, Hobbs, Wentzel, Emmerich, Volkerson, Funkhouser, Gucker, Fuchs, Andtes, Hemmery, Eva, Schmacher. Names on the ship list: Klein, Margel, Maning, Horatz, Homan, Krug, Fischer, Schunck, Flohri, Aldt, Rentz, Gander, Boger, Dogent, Debeer, Heiner, Susser, Heldmann, Meister, Werthmuller, Losch, Kullmann, Lent, Fey, Hauss, Abel, Uhting, Dech, Kleinpeter, Hauswirth, Seidel, Mey, Gleim. Of course the spelling can vary greatly, even to the point of not being recognized. Thanks. -eddie

Hi Gloria,  Dimnet was the family name; however  I also have a an issue with the 2 names Paradise and Brenna.  This is why I hit a glitch.  Currently, I am awaiting a civil / parish record from france on  this portion of the search.  I can give you more information when I get it. I hoping it can give some answers . I will put your email aside and contact you when I get that info.  I sent out the request about 2-3 weeks ago.  I hope to get back to you with a month or so.    Karen   Karen Ann Elizabeth Kriegel OUTREACH DIRECTOR Dance Parade, Inc USA One Parade, Many Cultures. www.danceparade.org Karen@danceparade.org   331 West 57th Street, Unit 144, New York, New York 10019 U.S.A.   Karen_kriegel@yahoo.com   Dance Professionals Social Network http://dance.meetup.com/408 The Athens Dance Network / To diktuo Xopou tis Athinas http://dance.meetup.com/248 International Dance Alliancewww.meetupalliance.com/Dance_Alliance ________________________________ From: gbishida <gfb-ishida@gol.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:25:42 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname Adolph Hello Karen, I assume you know the family probably settled in Madison Township,  Muskingham County, Ohio. In 1880 this is the only Valentine Adolph  listed in the US census. Tell us more of what you know if this is  correct. Do you know of descendants in addition to your gg aunt. What  is her name and where is she from in the US. I know that advice will  be to start in the US and this is definitely a beginning.  I'm sure  they were Protestant. Elizabeth's burial place is recorded and I  assume Valentine was buried in the same place. Gloria Ishida On Oct 26, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Karen Adolph wrote: > I am still looking for information on Valentine Adolph-Elizabeth  > (Schnell )Adolph.  Time-frame is 1820's until they coming to America  > in mid-l870's.  All I have is that they lived "at the foot" of the  > Vosges Mtns. in Alsace-Lorraine.  They were non-Catholic and  > apparently were "encouraged to leave" where they lived because of  > this.  (according to my ggAunt who is now 95).  They were friends  > and family of the Becks who also came to America mid-1870's.  I have  > heard from one person near (modern-day) Mulhouse but to no avail.  > Thanks in advance. > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  > the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am still looking for information on Valentine Adolph-Elizabeth (Schnell )Adolph. Time-frame is 1820's until they coming to America in mid-l870's. All I have is that they lived "at the foot" of the Vosges Mtns. in Alsace-Lorraine. They were non-Catholic and apparently were "encouraged to leave" where they lived because of this. (according to my ggAunt who is now 95). They were friends and family of the Becks who also came to America mid-1870's. I have heard from one person near (modern-day) Mulhouse but to no avail. Thanks in advance.

Hi,  I do not know if you mean they were Jewish, Hugenot or something else.  In my searches I had  follwed a lead that I thought may have been hugenot.  BUT  I found an excellent resource http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Huguenot/ it is  a hugenot resource.  I  do not know   if this may help in your search.  if you are not sure. AND  what about  census  and passenger lists?   Good luck.   Karen Ann Elizabeth Kriegel OUTREACH DIRECTOR Dance Parade, Inc USA One Parade, Many Cultures. www.danceparade.org Karen@danceparade.org   331 West 57th Street, Unit 144, New York, New York 10019 U.S.A.   Karen_kriegel@yahoo.com   Dance Professionals Social Network http://dance.meetup.com/408 The Athens Dance Network / To diktuo Xopou tis Athinas http://dance.meetup.com/248 International Dance Alliancewww.meetupalliance.com/Dance_Alliance ________________________________ From: Karen Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Cc: Karen S Adolph <kadolph@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:41:00 AM Subject: Re: [A-L] surname Adolph I am still looking for information on Valentine Adolph-Elizabeth (Schnell )Adolph.  Time-frame is 1820's until they coming to America in mid-l870's.  All I have is that they lived "at the foot" of the Vosges Mtns. in Alsace-Lorraine.  They were non-Catholic and apparently were "encouraged to leave" where they lived because of this.  (according to my ggAunt who is now 95).  They were friends and family of the Becks who also came to America mid-1870's.  I have heard from one person near (modern-day) Mulhouse but to no avail.  Thanks in advance.  -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm more specifically looking for info from between 1670 to 1750 in Cleebourg. Names Johann Leonard and Peter BERTSCHY, their wife's and kids. Thanks, RON C -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of alsace-lorraine-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:01 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 275 Plain digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. For most subscribers, MIME digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments. The default digest delivery is Plain. If you want your digest in MIME, please write me directly: Alsace-Lorraine-admin@rootsweb.com When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ********* Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ********* Today's Topics: 1. BERTSCHY (Ron C) 2. Re: BERTSCHY (Karl Roussin) 3. Re: BERTSCHY (EWALD) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:26:50 -0500 From: "Ron C" <rechmbrs@consolidated.net> Subject: [A-L] BERTSCHY To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <ADEHKBHDAMKHNLBBFKCPGEKOGMAA.rechmbrs@consolidated.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Looking for info on BERTSCHY (various spellings) around Cleebourg from late 1600's at least through 1850. Willing to share what I have. RON C Ron Chambers ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:11:18 -0500 From: "Karl Roussin" <kroussin@fidnet.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] BERTSCHY To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <43C3D811E8624EA8BE301A067382F145@emachine> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ron Chambers Check out the following LDS FHC link at; http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp There are over 34 Bertschy ( various spellings ) , that are shown in that link. I used the country of France to search in for the surname. There may be some Bertschy surnames in the Germany records too , because the area switched back and forth several times , from France to Germany. So try Germany in the " country " window , and/or try the " all countries " window block Karl Roussin ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron C" <rechmbrs@consolidated.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: [A-L] BERTSCHY > Looking for info on BERTSCHY (various spellings) around Cleebourg from > late > 1600's at least through 1850. > > Willing to share what I have. > > RON C > Ron Chambers > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:17:00 +0200 From: "EWALD" <ewald.klein@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] BERTSCHY To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3FE011378BF8489799FBE2CEEF1164BE@kleinb96a82872> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ron, According to the site http://www.cc-pays-wissembourg.fr/telechargement/emigrants.pdf Leonhard Bertschy left Cleebourg in 1840 (37 years, farmer) destination Cleveland Jean Bertschy also left Cleebourg, in 1846, brewer, destination Woodstock http://members.cox.net/smithgen/sources/ships/ships18201850notes.htm#langle1 840match BERTSCHY: L?onard 32, Catherine (nee EPPEL) 31, L?onard 10, Jacques 8, Fr?d?ric 5, Georges 3; living in Cleebourg Hope this helps Ewald +++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron C" <rechmbrs@consolidated.net> To: <ALSACE-LORRAINE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [A-L] BERTSCHY > Looking for info on BERTSCHY (various spellings) around Cleebourg from > late > 1600's at least through 1850. > > Willing to share what I have. > > RON C > Ron Chambers ------------------------------ To contact the ALSACE-LORRAINE list administrator, send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hello Ralph, All very good information. I realize of course there will almost always be some conflicting data, but not having any primary sources to confirm reject my conclusions is what keeps these records from making me say I'm 99.44% sure I have made the right connections. I've had other ancestors who have had various dates of birth over wide and narrow ranges of time in various resources. I have a fairly extensive collection of the Anneheim family members over a four hundred year time period; thanks in large part to the research of others, some of which I have myself verified. I wasn't necessarily implying that due to conflicting information that I was discounting it, but more to be thorough in detailing what data I have collected. Lastly, there is no doubt that the fire started in Patrick and Catherine O'Leary's barn. However it is probable that the cause of the fire was human in origin, and through a number of mistakes made in answering the fire, the damage was worse than it should have been. One last bit of trivia. The O'Leary's house was unaffected by the fire by some odd twist of fate. The story is an interesting read in conflicting evidence, and also would make a good Keystone Cops ala Firefighter's story. Thanks, Brian On Tue, October 21, 2008 2:38 pm, Ralph Taylor wrote: > Re: ".. alternatively anyone with input as to my faulty investigative > skills, also. ;')" > > Brian, > Seems like your investigative skills are pretty good; you've found all > this. > It's how to deal with the evidence after you've got it that you, maybe, > could strengthen. ... > BTW, I suspect there were some small farms in Philadelphia in the late > 1880s. (Sort of like Mrs. O'Leary's dairy cow that was reported to have > started the Chicago fire.)

I didn't mean to imply that Johann is the part that was misindexed--it was the KARCHER/KACHER spelling. I can see how S&H saw it that way but the signature clearly looks like KARCHER to me. I think this threw Annette Burgert off too--because she didn't find his ship record or any American records for him--only the notation in Alsace that said he went to America. He DID sign his own name on the ship list--and to me the R in there pretty clearly. It also matches fairly closely his signature on his mother-in-law's estate settlement in Berks County, PA. BTW...as an aside...Georg KARCHER eventually migrated to North Carolina where his name evolved to George CORRIHER. The descendants of this family use the CORRIHER spelling. Joan In a message dated 10/21/2008 2:36:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rt-sails@comcast.net writes: Re: ".. Johann Georg KARCHER came to America on board the Betsy in 1768 (where he is misindexed in Strassburger and Hinke's PA German Pioneers as Georg KACHER)" This might not be such a mis-indexing as one might imagine. In this instance, Johann may represent the "saint's name", used primarily in a religious context and not typically used in public. Georg would have been the name commonly used outside the church. Without looking it up, I'm not sure whether the statement relates to the A, B or C lists. If the former, this name would have come off the ship manifest. If either of the latter, it would have come off the oath lists that Herr KARCHER signed. We can hardly fault Misters Strassburger & Hinke for failing to supply a name which was not on the original documents they viewed -- about 150 years after the event. My previous reviews of their work indicate that they were careful to accurately transcribe what was written. -rt_/) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Re: ".. alternatively anyone with input as to my faulty investigative skills, also. ;')" Brian, Seems like your investigative skills are pretty good; you've found all this. It's how to deal with the evidence after you've got it that you, maybe, could strengthen. Conflicting information is fairly common, as are missing pieces. Sometimes, you have to ask "Which is the more believable record?" and "What's the more reasonable actuality?" Evaluation of the evidence is one of the reasons for being precise as to sources. For example, John would be the English form of the French "Jean" (pronounced zhon, not gene) and "Babette" would be a French nickname for a woman named Barbara. (I don't see a conflict.) Is it possible that dates weren't remembered exactly? Or, that someone other than the person enumerated in the census was interviewed by the enumerator? Is it possible that Jean/John knew both farming and weaving, able to pursue whichever occupation had more opportunity? Did Ferdinand visit him in Philadelphia before going to Massachusetts? BTW, I suspect there were some small farms in Philadelphia in the late 1880s. (Sort of like Mrs. O'Leary's dairy cow that was reported to have started the Chicago fire.) -rt_/)

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Are there online records for Strasbourg? I am looking for someone who was born circa 1854 in Strasbourg and have not been able to find any other reference (i.e. province, town, etc.) How are records kept? I am particularly interested in a reference to an estate being settled after a mother's death. Tina Simmons

I am currently trying to track down data on John ANNAHEIM of Philadelphia. My very limited research leads me to determine this is Jean Baptiste ANHEIM. I have a copy of a ship arrival for "Jean Bte Annheim" at the Port of NY, where he was bound for Philadelphia, arriving on the Westernland on 17 Aug 1887, age "Ad" (adult?). According to Census records, John claims to have arrived both in 1887 and 1888. The wife of John, named both Barbara and Babette in records appears to have arrived July 30 1888 as Babette at age 28, making her the same age as "Barbara" would have been. "John" and "Barbara" claim to have been married ~1882, and to have had a daughter Josephine born in 1886. She was born before immigrating and so helps to confirm an arrival after 1886. However, I can find no indication for Josephine arriving into the US. Which is further complicated as a census has her arriving in 1887 with her father and the mother following the next year. I'm trying to patch this information together for some newly discovered Annaheims with whom, I have connected. They are descendants of the John ANNAHEIM I am trying to tie to the Old Country and my family tree. I also believe that the Jean Baptiste ANNHEIM that arrived in NY is the same Jean Baptiste my gr-grandfather, Ferdinand ANNEHEIM lists as the relative he is "visiting" on entry to the US. Although, my gr-grandfather wound up in Massachusetts, and not Philadelphia. However, John was a silk weaver, and my gr-grandparents both got jobs as weavers in Massachusetts. One more complication being Jean Baptiste is listed as a farmer in the ship's list, although I don't know of many farms in Philly, even in 1887. I think this is the same Jean Baptiste born in Jungholtz in April 1863, or am hoping so. However John ANNAHEIM claims to be born in March 1860, but doesn't read or write. I'm only doing, so far, very light research, which is all time really allows. If anyone has any data on either John or Jean Baptiste, I would be very grateful to hear from you. Or alternatively anyone with input as to my fawlty investigative skills, also. ;') Thanks, Brian

Re: ".. Johann Georg KARCHER came to America on board the Betsy in 1768 (where he is misindexed in Strassburger and Hinke's PA German Pioneers as Georg KACHER)" This might not be such a mis-indexing as one might imagine. In this instance, Johann may represent the "saint's name", used primarily in a religious context and not typically used in public. Georg would have been the name commonly used outside the church. Without looking it up, I'm not sure whether the statement relates to the A, B or C lists. If the former, this name would have come off the ship manifest. If either of the latter, it would have come off the oath lists that Herr KARCHER signed. We can hardly fault Misters Strassburger & Hinke for failing to supply a name which was not on the original documents they viewed -- about 150 years after the event. My previous reviews of their work indicate that they were careful to accurately transcribe what was written. -rt_/)