Hi, Yes I'm am quite sure it is Oeting and not Etting. I received this information from a German genealogical group (I believe it is the same one who published the book you quoted from) and didn't realize the information was from this book when they sent it to me. Thanks to all for suggestions on how to find what I'm looking for. Paul Wingert At 12:45 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi >In Engelbreit "Oeting et ses habitants 1690-1900" >No name Gill ( a Gillon ( Kilian ??) Louis and his son Philippe born in >1726) >Only Lang Georges born 1841 in Folkling and a Lang Elisabeth, born 1785, >d from Lang jean and Anne Gerber from Ippling > >Its really Oeting and not ETTING ??? >Etting exist also > >A Kratz > > >P.& K.Wingert a écrit : > > Hi All, > > I'm looking for information about > Margarite Gill(e) born in Oeting in > > the early 1700s (parents were Ludovic Gill and Justina Lang). > > > > She died in St. Nikolaus, Saar on 24 May 1759. > > > > The LDS only has records listed for after 1793 and I was wondering > > if the earlier records may have been combined with another village or > > town? > > > > Paul Wingert, Regina, SK > > > > > > >-- >Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Patricia... Sharon Klusek ----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of patriciahans Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:01 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 Hi Sharon; Hope this helps somewhat for you in your research. I found a Simon Filoux. I cannot not read French although it doesn't look to bad. I found this website maybe can help you. http://les.guillotines.free.fr Hope this helps you... Regards, Patricia -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission may contain CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVILEGED, and or PROTECTED INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by email, do not disseminate or copy and delete immediately.

Dorothy, I have found some information and unfortunately it is in French. Would you be willing to help decipher what I have found? Thanks, Sharon Klusek -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dorothy baker Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:32 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 Thank you for this site.  My French was learned in high school 60 years ago, and it amazes me that I can still read and understand most of it.   Merci, Dorothy Baker --- On Wed, 11/12/08, patriciahans <phans@cfl.rr.com> wrote: From: patriciahans <phans@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:01 PM Hi Sharon; Hope this helps somewhat for you in your research. I found a Simon Filoux. I cannot not read French although it doesn't look to bad. I found this website maybe can help you. http://les.guillotines.free.fr Hope this helps you... Regards, Patricia -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission may contain CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVILEGED, and or PROTECTED INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by email, do not disseminate or copy and delete immediately.

Let's remember that the Alsace (and Lorraine) have a long, long history in Europe, spreading back to the pre-historic Celts. When Charlemagne split his Empire between his three sons, the A-L region was part of the Middle Kingdom, and to this day shares many characteristics with the rest of the Kingdom, including linguistic variety, and moving back and forth between the influence of the East and Western Kingdoms, typified by Germany and France. The more you learn about history, the more complicated -- and interesting -- it is. :-) Valorie On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Etienne Herrbach <etienne.herrbach@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Thank you Brian, this is interesting. > > Let me add a few words about this. I do not totally agree about the > feeling of Alsatians to be French as an effect of Nazi atrocities. > This feeling is much older than WW II. > > E.g. Napoleon was very popular in Alsace. Several of his best > generals were Alsatians: Kleber, Kellermann, Lefebvre, Rapp, Bruat, etc. > > Moreover, why did so many Alsatians and Mosellans leave their homes > after the German annexion in 1871? Remmber the so-called > "option" (1872 onwards). Many emigrated to America, to "old" France > (French Lorraine particularly), to Algeria. Of course there were also > economical reasons for the Alsatian emigration during the 1800s, but > the number of emigrants raised considerably after the 1871. > > Finally, why did the Alsatian population welcome so warmly the French > armies in 1918 and the re-union to France? (even though some > disappointments appeared later on). > > All the best, > > Etienne > > > > The German ('Prussian') annexation between 1871 and 1918 was not a > >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:54:23 -0600 (CST) >> From: brian@amason.net >> Let us not forget that at the end of the Thirty Years' War (i'e' the >> Peace >> of Westphalia) much of the Alsatian and other territories were >> devastated >> and there was considerable immigration into this fertile region. My >> ancestors immigrated during this time from Switzerland. Also, the >> recurring plagues help to decimate the population too. There were a >> great >> many plague outbreaks in the 1600s. It's not unusual in these years >> to see >> cousins (of varying degrees) marrying each other with church >> dispensations. Lastly many rulers tried to subdue the Alsatian's >> sense of >> community (for lack of a better word at 1 am). It took the >> atrocities of >> the Nazis to make them want to identify as French. The Nazi's were >> especially hard on the Alsatians, from what I've read. -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Hi Sharon; Hope this helps somewhat for you in your research. I found a Simon Filoux. I cannot not read French although it doesn't look to bad. I found this website maybe can help you. http://les.guillotines.free.fr Hope this helps you... Regards, Patricia

Thank you for this site.  My French was learned in high school 60 years ago, and it amazes me that I can still read and understand most of it.   Merci, Dorothy Baker --- On Wed, 11/12/08, patriciahans <phans@cfl.rr.com> wrote: From: patriciahans <phans@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:01 PM Hi Sharon; Hope this helps somewhat for you in your research. I found a Simon Filoux. I cannot not read French although it doesn't look to bad. I found this website maybe can help you. http://les.guillotines.free.fr Hope this helps you... Regards, Patricia -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon: forgot to tell you that there is a web site that has info on the people guillotined during the French Revolutlion. sorry, do not know the www. joe wolfe ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzv0M4rQpXsR7XcVlvFBVNQa1kXXA4xPEf9Yga1jmBZoHJb/

In a message dated 11/12/08 6:44:44 AM, harand8479@aol.com writes: > No matter how long someone has been researching, I believe one can benefit > from a 'review' of steps to take such as a list for beginning genealogists.? > Oftentimes, one can overlook the simplest clue or hint of where to proceed > next.? When you hit a brick wall, you go back to basics. > > Do you think I've not reviewed ad nauseum? I've found many things that way. I agree with you. However, I do know how to do these things and do them regularly. One cannot do genealogy for as many years as I have without learning much. Still much to learn. Thank You. ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news &amp; more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?nci d=emlcntusdown00000001)

Joe, Sorry.....After checking the execution was during the Reign of Terror. Thanks, Sharon -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joseph E Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:31 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 Sharon...the guillotine was not invented or used until the French Revolution in 1792/3 long after the reign of Louis XIV WHO dies in 1715. Joe Wolfe ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nJgym1D2txzfBtiN2CyyF gKNhULDRIKhp6wiLlOExHbv2M9/ -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission may contain CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVILEGED, and or PROTECTED INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by email, do not disseminate or copy and delete immediately.

> Alsace and Moselle were part of the German Empire ruled by the > Prussians, between 1871 and 1918. No Elsass and Lothringen were part of the German Empire. Moselle was created from the province of Lorraine in the 1780s. You can call it Moselle, put it doesn't alter the fact it was a part of Lorraine. I think Etienne is correct. See, for example, http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/moselle/history.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moselle But whatever, it certainly makes it difficult for ancestor research. Best, Gloria

There was a "Filliaux" that was executed at the guillotine during the reign of Louis XIV. I am trying to find his first name and any additional information. Does anyone know how I would go about this? Thanks, Sharon -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of arlene Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:05 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] ALSACE-LORRAINE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 289 Possibly of interest to the current interests of the listers? "The major part of Alsace became French after the Treatises of Westphalia (1648), however some territories and towns did so later (Strasbourg 1681, Mulhouse 1799). The French King Louis XIV thought it was better "not to touch to Alsatian affairs", even though he favored the Catholics wherever he could and the Protestants were subjected to much vexation and injustice (but no real persecution as in "old" France). Even though Alsace was French in 1685, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes had no dramatic effects in Alsace, apart of course that many French Huguenots crossed Alsace to flee to Germany and many of them even settled down in Alsace (especially Bischwiller and Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines)". -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email transmission may contain CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVILEGED, and or PROTECTED INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by email, do not disseminate or copy and delete immediately.

No matter how long someone has been researching, I believe one can benefit from a 'review' of steps to take such as a list for beginning genealogists.? Oftentimes, one can overlook the simplest clue or hint of where to proceed next.? When you hit a brick wall, you go back to basics. -----Original Message----- From: Nutmeg421@aol.com To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 3:06 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Alsatian history and immigration. Thank you for the real help you give me. One of the listers said my tone was antagonistic and that I should learn to be kind. You know, I am a kind person. The suggestions that woman gave were for the beginning genealogist and i've worked almost 40. I have done a great deal of research at our family history center which is the third largest in the Church and I am well aware of things except for Alsatian history. Thank you for being considerate and not nippy at my heels. I am just not the type who says, if you help me, I will be forever grateful, et al. More than you will ever know, etc. Good luck on your research, too. Jean ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.a ol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon...the guillotine was not invented or used until the French Revolution in 1792/3 long after the reign of Louis XIV WHO dies in 1715. Joe Wolfe ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nJgym1D2txzfBtiN2CyyFgKNhULDRIKhp6wiLlOExHbv2M9/

Thank you for the real help you give me. One of the listers said my tone was antagonistic and that I should learn to be kind. You know, I am a kind person. The suggestions that woman gave were for the beginning genealogist and i've worked almost 40. I have done a great deal of research at our family history center which is the third largest in the Church and I am well aware of things except for Alsatian history. Thank you for being considerate and not nippy at my heels. I am just not the type who says, if you help me, I will be forever grateful, et al. More than you will ever know, etc. Good luck on your research, too. Jean ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.a ol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

On Tue, November 11, 2008 5:05 pm, arlene wrote: > Possibly of interest to the current interests of the listers? > > "The major part of Alsace became French after the Treatises of Westphalia > (1648), however some territories and towns did so later (Strasbourg 1681, > Mulhouse 1799). The French King Louis XIV thought it was better "not to > touch to Alsatian affairs", even though he favored the Catholics wherever > he > could and the Protestants were subjected to much vexation and injustice > (but > no real persecution as in "old" France). Even though Alsace was French in > 1685, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes had no dramatic effects in > Alsace, apart of course that many French Huguenots crossed Alsace to flee > to > Germany and many of them even settled down in Alsace (especially > Bischwiller > and Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines)". Let us not forget that at the end of the Thirty Years' War (i'e' the Peace of Westphalia) much of the Alsatian and other territories were devastated and there was considerable immigration into this fertile region. My ancestors immigrated during this time from Switzerland. Also, the recurring plagues help to decimate the population too. There were a great many plague outbreaks in the 1600s. It's not unusual in these years to see cousins (of varying degrees) marrying each other with church dispensations. Lastly many rulers tried to subdue the Alsatian's sense of community (for lack of a better word at 1 am). It took the atrocities of the Nazis to make them want to identify as French. The Nazi's were especially hard on the Alsatians, from what I've read.

Hi In Engelbreit "Oeting et ses habitants 1690-1900" No name Gill ( a Gillon ( Kilian ??) Louis and his son Philippe born in 1726) Only Lang Georges born 1841 in Folkling and a Lang Elisabeth, born 1785, d from Lang jean and Anne Gerber from Ippling Its really Oeting and not ETTING ??? Etting exist also A Kratz P.& K.Wingert a écrit : > Hi All, > I'm looking for information about Margarite Gill(e) born in Oeting in > the early 1700s (parents were Ludovic Gill and Justina Lang). > > She died in St. Nikolaus, Saar on 24 May 1759. > > The LDS only has records listed for after 1793 and I was wondering > if the earlier records may have been combined with another village or > town? > > Paul Wingert, Regina, SK > >

Possibly of interest to the current interests of the listers? "The major part of Alsace became French after the Treatises of Westphalia (1648), however some territories and towns did so later (Strasbourg 1681, Mulhouse 1799). The French King Louis XIV thought it was better "not to touch to Alsatian affairs", even though he favored the Catholics wherever he could and the Protestants were subjected to much vexation and injustice (but no real persecution as in "old" France). Even though Alsace was French in 1685, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes had no dramatic effects in Alsace, apart of course that many French Huguenots crossed Alsace to flee to Germany and many of them even settled down in Alsace (especially Bischwiller and Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines)".

Hello everyone ! Glad to be back on your lists to ask for your help. I am looking for the following Frenchman: Name: GUYE First names: Pierre Adolphe (possibly Pierre Adolphe Jancy or Pierre Adolphe Janey) Born: January 27, 1804 in Nancy (France – Lorraine province) He might have emigrated to the US after 1827. I found the following information from the website Familysearch.org: Pierre Adolph (no “e”) GUY (no “e” as well) born in Cornwall Bridge, married Feb 13, 1868 in New York (Manhattan) Fanny Barbarie MEGER or MOGER According to the same data, this Pierre Adolph GUY is the son of another Pierre Adolph GUY married to Sarah B. SIORFS. I am wondering if this Pierre Adolph GUY married to Sarah SIORFS is the same person as the one I’m looking for. Could someone have more information on this Pierre Adolph GUY ? Also, where is Cornwall Bridge located (in New York ?) ? I would appreciate any help in this matter and any information on the GUYE individuals who might have emigrated to the US from France between say 1827 and 1870 to check if my Pierre Adolphe GUYE might be among them. For your information, this name GUYE originates in France from the Franche-Comte province, close to the Swiss border and back to the 16th century. Another information: my Pierre Adolphe GUYE is the son of Nicolas Philippe GUYE born in 1773 in Lons le Saunier (departement Jura in Franche Comte), died in 1845 in Saint Die (departement Vosges in Lorraine). He was one of the generals of Napoleon the First, campaigned between 1796 and 1815 on all the European battlefields of that time, among others in Spain where he was painted by the famous Spanish painter GOYA. This painting is now in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts in Richmond, Virginia. Best regards. Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr>

I hope someone who responds will elaborate on the comment Charlie made about church registers in Bas-Rhin NOT all being microfilmed.   Could this also be true of Haut-Rhin?  My ancestors have never shown up in the LDS records online or in films I rented for the villages they were supposed to have lived in.......... -----Original Message----- From: Charlie <csherida@tampabay.rr.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 3:24 pm Subject: [A-L] Civil Registrations also at local level for Bas-Rhin ONLY Civil Registration at the Local Level for Bas-Rhin ONLY. I can only definitely speak for one village in Bas-Rhin, Oberseebach. owever, in Riedseltz the original registers are not available for public iewing. What is available is exact copies of originals that have been ound in a register book format. Looks good but not as enjoyable as ctually viewing the original. If anyone is interested in what a church egister might look like I can send them an attachment of a photograph I ook. To the best of my knowledge the requirement was to complete 2 register ooks. One is kept at the local level and the other is housed at the rchives in Strasbourg. I know that there are 2 books as I've compared some opied documents from books at the mairie in Seebach with those filmed by DS and have found some differences. This was done when I arrived home and ould make that determination. Ex. signature is in a different location; ata included in one book is missing in the other, etc. I lucked out with ne when the maiden name was included in the village book but was excluded rom the filmed register. NB: everything written in the register is not lways accurate just like everything written on a U.S. death certificate oesn't mean it's correct. What has been a mystery is why some village books are exactly the same as hose filmed by LDS while others differ. Did LDS also visit a village if, or example, the Archives book was damaged? But you can't review and etermine if both books are the same unless you visit that village. It's lways better to see the actual book. Margin loss has hindered many a esearcher who can only review the records on film. If you have the films then looking at the index can also assist you in ossibly locating other family members that married outside their home illage or moved and had their own family. My tendency has been to extend amilies outside my own direct line. In so doing I've been in a unique osition to not only assist my distant American and Canadian cousins but to elp my Alsatian cousins as well. It also has allowed me when visiting to eet cousins that I never would have known if I did not use this method. I don't know who was responsible for compiling the 10 year Indexes but they re not the same as those in community films. These were compiled later by sing 10 years of records and alphabetizing them. Also there are in some illage books years where no indexes were compiled. There are many church registers, or so I believe, that have never been ilmed and these are the church registers for the late 18th, the 19th and of ourse the 20th century. Years ago I did see an earlier Catholic register 17th-18th century) for a village south of Strasbourg that I was told had ever been microfilmed. This book was in the possession of a family in that illage. Registers might be found in the rectory or in the case of rotestant registers they could be in a repository in Strasbourg. rotestant registers are most likely written in German while Catholic egisters are in Latin. Perhaps someone living in Alsace could correct or add to my response. Charlie omosassa, FL ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Carolyn "Cari" Thomas" <western37@cox.net> o: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:49 AM ubject: [A-L] KEYWORD: Niederroedern....RE: Civil Registrations also at ounty level..... Hi fellow Canadian-- Go to LDS family search site- - - get the Library atalogue- - - then go to KEYWORD.- - - then put in the word Orting- - - I hink you will be surprised what is available for Oeting. Most people will o to he cataloge, and do not use this also. Many things are not in the atalogue he way WE think they should be and this is a good source also. Miriam Hall ansen Many thanks, Miriam, on behalf of this non-Canadian, too, who had not hought to use the KEYWORD search on the FHL Catalog search page! I've now discovered, thanks to KEYWORD, that Niederroedern (Bas-Rhin) is ncluded in a canton/county-wide Civil Registration Index 1813-1882 as well s its own municipal index. Here's this new (to me) source: ables décennales, 1813-1882: Seltz (Bas-Rhin : Canton). Greffe du Tribunal 'Instance icrofilmage des originaux dans les Archives départementales, Strasbourg. e canton de Seltz comprend les communes de: Seltz, Aschbach, Beinheim, uhl, Croettwiller, Eberbach-Seltz, Kesseldorf, Mothern, Munchhausen, IEDERROEDERN, Oberlauterbach, Schaffhouse-pres-Seltz, Siegen, Stund- iller, Trimbach, et Wintzenbach. en year indexes for the canton of Seltz, Bas-Rhin, France (also called elz, Elsaß-Lothringen, Germany). Text in French and German. 813-1832 FHL INTL Film 742564 833-1842 FHL INTL Film 742565 843-1862 FHL INTL Film 742566 863-1872 FHL INTL Film 1165948 Item 1 813-1832 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797389 833-1862 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797390 873-1882 FHL INTL Film 1733512 Item 3 I've some questions for our experts, please: 1. Can anyone comment on the differences (or similarities) between the unicipal/Niederroedern registration indexes (which I've already used, and ave on indefinite loan at the local FHC) and these county indexes? Would it ake sense to look at these too? 2. Can anyone tell me whether there's an advantage to utilizing 2nd filmings ather than the original films? Were 2nd filmings done exclusively in cases f poor microfilming originally? Or were there different reasons? 3. Since there's only indexes and no listing of actual records in the canton ilms, am I correct that one must then go to the municipality/Niederroedern ivil reg: b/m/d records for the actual records, once identified in the ndexes. In other words, the municipality sent copies of the indexes only to he county level? Thanks for your on the spot knowledge, experts! 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Civil Registration at the Local Level for Bas-Rhin ONLY. I can only definitely speak for one village in Bas-Rhin, Oberseebach. However, in Riedseltz the original registers are not available for public viewing. What is available is exact copies of originals that have been bound in a register book format. Looks good but not as enjoyable as actually viewing the original. If anyone is interested in what a church register might look like I can send them an attachment of a photograph I took. To the best of my knowledge the requirement was to complete 2 register books. One is kept at the local level and the other is housed at the Archives in Strasbourg. I know that there are 2 books as I've compared some copied documents from books at the mairie in Seebach with those filmed by LDS and have found some differences. This was done when I arrived home and could make that determination. Ex. signature is in a different location; data included in one book is missing in the other, etc. I lucked out with one when the maiden name was included in the village book but was excluded from the filmed register. NB: everything written in the register is not always accurate just like everything written on a U.S. death certificate doesn't mean it's correct. What has been a mystery is why some village books are exactly the same as those filmed by LDS while others differ. Did LDS also visit a village if, for example, the Archives book was damaged? But you can't review and determine if both books are the same unless you visit that village. It's always better to see the actual book. Margin loss has hindered many a researcher who can only review the records on film. If you have the films then looking at the index can also assist you in possibly locating other family members that married outside their home village or moved and had their own family. My tendency has been to extend families outside my own direct line. In so doing I've been in a unique position to not only assist my distant American and Canadian cousins but to help my Alsatian cousins as well. It also has allowed me when visiting to meet cousins that I never would have known if I did not use this method. I don't know who was responsible for compiling the 10 year Indexes but they are not the same as those in community films. These were compiled later by using 10 years of records and alphabetizing them. Also there are in some village books years where no indexes were compiled. There are many church registers, or so I believe, that have never been filmed and these are the church registers for the late 18th, the 19th and of course the 20th century. Years ago I did see an earlier Catholic register (17th-18th century) for a village south of Strasbourg that I was told had never been microfilmed. This book was in the possession of a family in that village. Registers might be found in the rectory or in the case of Protestant registers they could be in a repository in Strasbourg. Protestant registers are most likely written in German while Catholic registers are in Latin. Perhaps someone living in Alsace could correct or add to my response. Charlie Homosassa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn "Cari" Thomas" <western37@cox.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: [A-L] KEYWORD: Niederroedern....RE: Civil Registrations also at county level..... >Hi fellow Canadian-- Go to LDS family search site- - - get the Library catalogue- - - then go to KEYWORD.- - - then put in the word Orting- - - I think you will be surprised what is available for Oeting. Most people will go to the cataloge, and do not use this also. Many things are not in the catalogue the way WE think they should be and this is a good source also. Miriam Hall Hansen Many thanks, Miriam, on behalf of this non-Canadian, too, who had not thought to use the KEYWORD search on the FHL Catalog search page! I've now discovered, thanks to KEYWORD, that Niederroedern (Bas-Rhin) is included in a canton/county-wide Civil Registration Index 1813-1882 as well as its own municipal index. Here's this new (to me) source: Tables décennales, 1813-1882: Seltz (Bas-Rhin : Canton). Greffe du Tribunal d'Instance Microfilmage des originaux dans les Archives départementales, Strasbourg. Le canton de Seltz comprend les communes de: Seltz, Aschbach, Beinheim, Buhl, Croettwiller, Eberbach-Seltz, Kesseldorf, Mothern, Munchhausen, NIEDERROEDERN, Oberlauterbach, Schaffhouse-pres-Seltz, Siegen, Stund- willer, Trimbach, et Wintzenbach. Ten year indexes for the canton of Seltz, Bas-Rhin, France (also called Selz, Elsaß-Lothringen, Germany). Text in French and German. 1813-1832 FHL INTL Film 742564 1833-1842 FHL INTL Film 742565 1843-1862 FHL INTL Film 742566 1863-1872 FHL INTL Film 1165948 Item 1 1813-1832 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797389 1833-1862 (un autre filmage) FHL INTL Film 797390 1873-1882 FHL INTL Film 1733512 Item 3 I've some questions for our experts, please: 1. Can anyone comment on the differences (or similarities) between the municipal/Niederroedern registration indexes (which I've already used, and have on indefinite loan at the local FHC) and these county indexes? Would it make sense to look at these too? 2. Can anyone tell me whether there's an advantage to utilizing 2nd filmings rather than the original films? Were 2nd filmings done exclusively in cases of poor microfilming originally? Or were there different reasons? 3. Since there's only indexes and no listing of actual records in the canton films, am I correct that one must then go to the municipality/Niederroedern civil reg: b/m/d records for the actual records, once identified in the indexes. In other words, the municipality sent copies of the indexes only to the county level? Thanks for your on the spot knowledge, experts! Cari Thomas -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message