Since today is my birthday thought I would try once again to see if anyone can be of help on this stumbling block in my genealogy. Many thanx for any help whatesoever...especially where can I find the Colmar church records. the Mormon library has them for a period after the time that I need. regards Joe Wolfe partly French --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph E Wolfe <Joeedwolfe@juno.com> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:32:25 -0800 Subject: PetitdeMange Message-ID: <20070328.193243.-260835.1.Joeedwolfe@juno.com> sending this request out again as found out that my ancestor Mary Anne PetitdeMange ws born in April 1801.....her brother Francis was born in Colmar in either 1792 or 1797. believe the parents to be Francis PetitdeMange and Mary Anne Heury. any help would be appreciated ....the brother and sister came to America and lived in Wilmington, DE and he was a friend of the early DuPonts. thanx in advance for any insight here. Joe Wolfe ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007

Hi David -- Sedan is in the Ardennes, so this list will not be appropriate. It appears that the Champagne-Ardenne list will be most fruitful: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/FRA/FRA-CHAMPAGNE-ARDENNE.html I also find quite a few queries mentioning Sedan in the Gen-fr list, http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/FRA/GEN-FR.html Be aware, however, that Gen-fr is gatewayed to the Gen-fr newsgroup, and as such, will get more spam that you are used to seeing on strictly email lists. All the best, Valorie On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:45 AM, David Stroebel <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, I am new to this list and just wanted to confirm that I can receive information for Sedan, France. If not the correct list please let me know the correct list. > > Many thanks, > > Dave > Freehold, New Jersey, USA -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Happy Holidays everyone. Here's a little Genealogy humor for the Holidays... 1. My family coat of arms ties at the back.. Is that normal? 2. My family tree is a few branches short!...All help is appreciated. 3. My ancestors must be in a witness protection program. 4. Shake your family tree and watch the nuts fall! 5. My hobby is genealogy.- I raise dust bunnies as pets. 6. How can one ancestor cause so much terrible? 7. I looked into my family tree and found out I was a sap. 8. I'm searching for myself-have you seen me? 9. If only people came with pull-down menus and on line help... 10.Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem leads to two more. 11. Its 2008...Do you know where your Gr. Gr. Grandparents are??? 12. A Family reunion is an effective form of birth control. 13. A Family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots. 14 A new cousin a day keeps the boredom away. 15. After 30 days, unclaimed ancestors will be adopted. 16. Am I the only person up my tree...Sure seems like it. 17. Any Family tree produces some lemons, some nuts and a few bad apples. 18. Ever find an ancestor hanging from your family tree??? 19. Floor: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. 20 Gene-allergy: Its a contagious disease, but I love it. 21. Genealogists are time unravelers. 22. Genealogy is like playing hide and seek: They hide and I seek. 23. Genealogy: tracing yourself back to better people. 24. Crazy is a relative term in my family. 25. A pack rat is hard to live with, but makes a fine ancestor. 26. I want to find all of them! So far I only have few thousand. 27. I should have asked them before they died. 28. I think my ancestors had several BAD HEIR days. 29. I trace my family history, so I'll know who to blame. 30. Genealogists never die, they just loose their roots. 31. Trees without roots, just fall over. 32 I don't care how poor a man is, if has family, then he is as rich as they come. Hoping everyone gets to find their branches. Happy Holidays to all, and May the New Year bring everyone peace, joy, love, good health, happiness and much prosperity. Keep smiling.....

Thank you Patricia. Very funny, Mary --- On Wed, 12/10/08, patriciahans <phans@cfl.rr.com> wrote: From: patriciahans <phans@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [A-L] Genealogy Humor for All To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 9:01 AM Happy Holidays everyone. Here's a little Genealogy humor for the Holidays... 1. My family coat of arms ties at the back.. Is that normal? 2. My family tree is a few branches short!...All help is appreciated. 3. My ancestors must be in a witness protection program. 4. Shake your family tree and watch the nuts fall! 5. My hobby is genealogy.- I raise dust bunnies as pets. 6. How can one ancestor cause so much terrible? 7. I looked into my family tree and found out I was a sap. 8. I'm searching for myself-have you seen me? 9. If only people came with pull-down menus and on line help... 10.Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem leads to two more. 11. Its 2008...Do you know where your Gr. Gr. Grandparents are??? 12. A Family reunion is an effective form of birth control. 13. A Family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots. 14 A new cousin a day keeps the boredom away. 15. After 30 days, unclaimed ancestors will be adopted. 16. Am I the only person up my tree...Sure seems like it. 17. Any Family tree produces some lemons, some nuts and a few bad apples. 18. Ever find an ancestor hanging from your family tree??? 19. Floor: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. 20 Gene-allergy: Its a contagious disease, but I love it. 21. Genealogists are time unravelers. 22. Genealogy is like playing hide and seek: They hide and I seek. 23. Genealogy: tracing yourself back to better people. 24. Crazy is a relative term in my family. 25. A pack rat is hard to live with, but makes a fine ancestor. 26. I want to find all of them! So far I only have few thousand. 27. I should have asked them before they died. 28. I think my ancestors had several BAD HEIR days. 29. I trace my family history, so I'll know who to blame. 30. Genealogists never die, they just loose their roots. 31. Trees without roots, just fall over. 32 I don't care how poor a man is, if has family, then he is as rich as they come. Hoping everyone gets to find their branches. Happy Holidays to all, and May the New Year bring everyone peace, joy, love, good health, happiness and much prosperity. Keep smiling..... -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am new to this list and just wanted to confirm that I can receive information for Sedan, France. If not the correct list please let me know the correct list. Many thanks, Dave Freehold, New Jersey, USA

Hello Charles, Yes, the list is still active, but you are a bit late in coming to this thread. This thread started by noting that Barack Obama has Bischwiller ancestry. Brian On Mon, December 8, 2008 10:29 am, AMANN Charles wrote: > hi > is the list still in activity? > > Charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AMANN Charles" <amann.charles@wanadoo.fr> > To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > >> >> hi >> did somebody know that Barack Obama had ancestors in Bischwiller? >> Charles >> >>

hi is the list still in activity? Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "AMANN Charles" <amann.charles@wanadoo.fr> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > hi > did somebody know that Barack Obama had ancestors in Bischwiller? > Charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Potthast" <omaandopa06@att.net> > To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > >> >> FHC site does not exist. I do not know how to get on what you are >> talking >> about. Please explain. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie >> Zimmerman >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:29 AM >> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller >> >> Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and >> print out the word list. It is a huge help. >> >> Valorie >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> >> wrote: >>> Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. >>> Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his >>> siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne >> Herrbach >>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM >>> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller >>> >>> Hello Marilyn, >>> >>> you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian >>> dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less >>> and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in >>> French because Alsace was in France in 1854. >> >> ::snip old:: >> -- >> Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez >> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez >> Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ >> All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3666 (20081205) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3666 (20081205) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, the list is still active. If you think you have missed some posts, go to the list archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com to search or browse. You probably got no reply because President-elect Obama's have been discussed quite a few times over the last few months. Plus we normally see a bit less list activity as we near the height of the holidays. All the best, Valorie On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:29 AM, AMANN Charles <amann.charles@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > hi > is the list still in activity? > > Charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AMANN Charles" <amann.charles@wanadoo.fr> > To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > >> >> hi >> did somebody know that Barack Obama had ancestors in Bischwiller? >> Charles ::snip previous:: -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Hello Listers, Mardon asked about the forest named "die Hartt" on Cassini's map. Etymology: Hart / Hard means forest in old German. Geography : an area with a poor and stony soil, unsuitable for agriculture, between the rivers Rhine and Ill, east to Mulhouse, from Bartenheim near Basel in the south to Blodelsheim in the north. No running water in this forest and no village. See (long URL!): <http://www.viamichelin.fr/viamichelin/fra/dyn/controller/Cartes?strCountry=1424&strAddress=&strMerged=ottmarsheim&x=22&y=8&ie=UTF-8 > History : the "Forêt de la Hardt" was owned by the Habsburg family, then (when Alsace became French in 1648) became "forêt royale". At that time, it was parted into 16-20 ha parts with almost 1000 landstones with the royal sign ("fleur de lis"). Now "forêt domaniale", i.e. belonging to the state. Source: Dictionnaire du Haut-Rhin and Wikipedia. Best wishes, Etienne > Le 27 nov. 08 à 00:21, Mardon a écrit : > > > Other things on the map that I’d like to know more about are the > area > > labeled “Die Hartt” and the label “SVN T GOW” for the area that was > > later known as the Suntgaw, a.k.a. the "Suntgau" and the "Sundgau" > > Mardon

Hello Listers, after the recent disussion about Cassini's maps and "Alsatia Superior", here a short sketch about the region named "the Sundgau", which refers to the hilly and agricultural area in the south of Alsace, between Mulhouse and the Swiss border. The name appeared around the year 750, when the Duchy of Alsace was parted into two Counties: Nordgau in the north (more or less the today Bas-Rhin) and the Sundgau in the south (more or less Haut-Rhin), or Alsatia Superior. In German, Gau means "region". Rapidly the name Nordgau disappeared, whereas the Sundgau was limited to the area described above, which was owned mainly by the "Comtes de FERRETTE" (=von PFIRT). When the last of this family (Ulrich III de Ferrette) died in 1324 without male posterity, his daughter Jeanne herited the county and, by her marriage to Albert II de HABSBOURG, from Austria, the territory was then owned by this wealthy family. It was included in the so- called "anterior Austria", with Ensisheim as the capital. The Sundgau suffered many times from wars and the passage of armies, especially the Swedish during the Thirty Years war (1618-1648). When the major part of Alsace became French in 1648, the Habsburgs had to abandon all their possessions and titles in Alsace. In 1659 the king of France gave the "Comté de Ferrette" to his minister Mazarin, from whom it arrived to the today princes of Monaco (Grimaldi) - as Mardon wrote it in a post last November. Source: Dictionnaire du Haut-Rhin. There is very active historical association of the Sundgau: <http://www.sundgau-histoire.asso.fr/> (in French) Best wishes, Etienne > Le 27 nov. 08 à 00:21, Mardon a écrit : > > > Other things on the map that I’d like to know more about are the > area > > labeled “Die Hartt” and the label “SVN T GOW” for the area that was > > later known as the Suntgaw, a.k.a. the "Suntgau" and the "Sundgau" > > Mardon

hi did somebody know that Barack Obama had ancestors in Bischwiller? Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Potthast" <omaandopa06@att.net> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > FHC site does not exist. I do not know how to get on what you are talking > about. Please explain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie > Zimmerman > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:29 AM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and > print out the word list. It is a huge help. > > Valorie > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> > wrote: >> Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. >> Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his >> siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne > Herrbach >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM >> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller >> >> Hello Marilyn, >> >> you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian >> dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less >> and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in >> French because Alsace was in France in 1854. > > ::snip old:: > -- > Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez > Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ > All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3666 (20081205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3666 (20081205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm sorry, I mis-typed and wasn't specific. I meant the FHL - Family History Library, and that is actually a part of FamilySearch.org. The word lists and other research helps are here: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rhelps.asp?Page=./research/Titlef/Titlef.asp&ActiveTab=Title If that convoluted URL doesn't work for you, go to http://www.familysearch.org to the Research Helps tab > Articles > F > scroll down to France. Lots of valuable help there, free. Some of it can be purchased for around a dollar at your local FHC (Family History Center) also. For awhile they also sold a CD with all these help files on it for around $5 -- you might ask if this is still available. Valorie On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> wrote: > FHC site does not exist. I do not know how to get on what you are talking > about. Please explain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:29 AM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and > print out the word list. It is a huge help. > > Valorie > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> > wrote: >> Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. >> Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his >> siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne > Herrbach >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM >> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller >> >> Hello Marilyn, >> >> you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian >> dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less >> and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in >> French because Alsace was in France in 1854. -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Go to http://www.familysearch.org/ along top see Research helps, point on and click on articles > FHC site does not exist. I do not know how to get on what you are talking > about. Please explain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie > Zimmerman > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:29 AM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and > print out the word list. It is a huge help. > > Valorie > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> > wrote: >> Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. >> Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his >> siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne > Herrbach >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM >> To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller >> >> Hello Marilyn, >> >> you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian >> dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less >> and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in >> French because Alsace was in France in 1854. > > ::snip old:: > -- > Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez > Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ > All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3666 (20081205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 3666 (20081205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, They are referring to this site: www.familysearch.org *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/5/2008 at 9:26 AM Marilyn Potthast wrote: >FHC site does not exist. I do not know how to get on what you are talking >about. Please explain. >

FHC site does not exist. I do not know how to get on what you are talking about. Please explain. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:29 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and print out the word list. It is a huge help. Valorie On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> wrote: > Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. > Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his > siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Herrbach > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > Hello Marilyn, > > you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian > dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less > and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in > French because Alsace was in France in 1854. ::snip old:: -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3666 (20081205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3666 (20081205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thank you. I will do that. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valorie Zimmerman Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:29 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and print out the word list. It is a huge help. Valorie On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> wrote: > Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. > Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his > siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Herrbach > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > Hello Marilyn, > > you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian > dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less > and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in > French because Alsace was in France in 1854. ::snip old:: -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3666 (20081205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3666 (20081205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Be sure to look up the French research helps on theFHC website, and print out the word list. It is a huge help. Valorie On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Marilyn Potthast <omaandopa06@att.net> wrote: > Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. > Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his > siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. > > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Herrbach > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > Hello Marilyn, > > you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian > dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less > and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in > French because Alsace was in France in 1854. ::snip old:: -- Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507013560 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/valoriez MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/valoriez Genealogy Blog: http://genweblog.blogspot.com/ All my pages: http://valorie.zimmerman.googlepages.com

Thanks for the input. Am going through two reels at the LDS right now. Very confusing since I do not know French. Am still glad to find his siblings and hope I can put together more pieces of the family. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Herrbach Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:56 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller Hello Marilyn, you're right, your gr-grandfather did most probably speak Alsatian dialect and understand German. Alsatian was (and still is, but less and less) the daily language for Alsatians. His birth record was in French because Alsace was in France in 1854. In Baden too, dialectal forms of German are spoken, which belong to the Alemannic group like Alsatian (at least in its major parts). Therefore, there is some mutual understanding between Alsace and Baden. As discussed earlier, Bavaria is a distinct German region, far from Alsace (apart from the part of Palatinate that was ruled for some time by Bavaria). There are also Bavarian dialects, which are unrelated to the Alemannic group. Etienne > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:36:55 -0500 > From: "Marilyn Potthast" <omaandopa06@att.net> > Subject: Re: [A-L] Bischwiller > > I find this very interesting about the language. My gr grandfather > came > over here in 1854 but his birth certificate is in French. He did > speak > German as when he left the old country he came to WI and stayed with a > family from Baden, Germany. That to me is an indication that his > particular > language was German or what you say is called Alsatian. This to me > means > that they had their own language or I should say there own > dialect. I am > confused on this as my gr grandparents on my dad's side came from > Bavaria > and that whole are spoke German and no French. They were not > Catholic. I > enjoy this site as I have learned so many things. Keep up the good > work. -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3632 (20081121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3665 (20081204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Bob, Sorry we don't have a match. Ann

Gloria, My replies are inserted in your text. Gloria wrote: Bob, here are two books. Jews of Brooklyn (Brandeis Series in American Jewish History, Culture,  and Life) (Hardcover) (found on google books) by Ilana Abramovitch (Editor), Sean Galvin (Editor) The Jewish Community of Williamsburg Brooklyn, NY (Amazon.com) George Kranzier Publ. Columbis University, 1954 1136 pgs I'll track these down. googling: http://www.brooklynjews.org/ Lain's Brooklyn Directory for the Year Ending May 1st 1892 two Leopolds, both butchers  These listings mark an interesting point of confusion that could catch any of us.  Both of these Leopold Blochs were butchers, both were from France, both had wives named Fannie and 3 children.  The first is 15 years senior to my great grandfather who is the second. What was the sister's name? If she married would she be living nearby?  Check first names near her brother on the census. The Leopold Bloch, butcher, in Brooklyn census (France) has a young  wife Fanny; also in 1880. Is he your great-grandfather?  He is probably my great grandfather but he is a roomer and I can't be sure.  No sign of sister, Sara What part of the Jewish religion did he belong to? You might see what  synagogues existed at that time in Brooklyn; perhaps one would have  records of marriages, if the sister married, or deaths.   The family synagogue (Reform Temple) is Beth Elohim, the one I grew up in.  It moved; the family remained in the congregation.  I have the LDS film of the early marriages.  No hits.    Thanks for your thoughts.   Bob Teitelbaum