I was told that I family had originated from Sedan, France. One of my deceased relatives, John Sedan Stroebele was given his middle name after the city where my ancestors were born. This is common knowledge on his side of the family. Thanks, Dave Stroebel

Thanks you. That's what I suspected it was. Dave Giliane Bader-Wechseler wrote: > Nowadays this occupation is called "Inspecteur des voies publiques" or in > English: > public roads surveyor (inspector) > > - Giliane > -----Original Message----- > From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of patriciahans > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:04 PM > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [A-L] French Translation > > inspecteur public du chemin=public inspector of the pathway > -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California

inspecteur public du chemin=public inspector of the pathway

This is the equestrian meaning of the English word groom not the wedding definition See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_boy -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Francis Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25 AM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-L] Another French Occupation Does anyone know what a palfrenier is? My dictionary defines it as a groom, but in this death record I'm looking at, it's used as a profession. I've looked on-line and it appears to has something to do with horses. Thanks in advance. -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean-Paul, Thanks. I'm leaning toward a street inspector or maybe a foreman. There are several men in the town employed as road menders, and I guess it's possible that he's the foreman. Dave Jean-Paul Marchal wrote: Hello Dave, 1/ a palefrenier is a groom, a guy who works with horses, who takes care of them 2/ back to "inspecteur de la publicite des chemins" (with a "s" at the end of "chemin" since "des" is a plural), since we are in 1865 (as you mention it) or before, that guy might be some kind of civil servant in a local administrative area. Since "publicite" is also "the state of what belongs to a public community, of what is of a common use", here "publicite des chemins" would mean that the "chemins" , the ways, the roads of a village are "publics", are belonging to all the inhabitants of a village. Then the "inspecteur" would be the guy who checks that nobody has taken such a road for his own use and that all "chemins publics" remain "publics" indeed... Not sure ! Jean-Paul Marchal [1]<jemarchal@wanadoo.fr> -----Message d'origine----- De : [2]alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [[3]mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Dave Francis Envoye : mercredi 17 decembre 2008 17:25 A : [4]alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Objet : [A-L] Another French Occupation Does anyone know what a palfrenier is? My dictionary defines it as a groom, but in this death record I'm looking at, it's used as a profession. I've looked on-line and it appears to has something to do with horses. Thanks in advance. -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: [5]http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California References 1. mailto:jemarchal@wanadoo.fr 2. mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com 5. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm 6. mailto:ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com

Jean-Edmond, Thanks for your suggestion on "Inspecter de la Publicite des Chemins". I think the record is too early (1865) for there to be billboards. I think I'm leaning toward a street inspector. There are several men in the village employed as road menders. Perhaps he's their boss. Dave jeravold wrote: > A "palefrenier" is a lad, a stable-boy, somebody taking care of horses : > feeding, washing, brushing, changing the litter... > > Back to your "Inspecteur de la Publicite des Chemins", it might be someone > in charge of controlling advertising on roadsides : authorization, location, > size of boards, content... > > Jean-Edmond Ravold, Grasse / France > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] De la part de Dave Francis > Envoyé : mercredi 17 décembre 2008 17:25 > À : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Objet : [A-L] Another French Occupation > > > > Does anyone know what a palfrenier is? My dictionary defines it as a > groom, > but in this death record I'm looking at, it's used as a profession. I've > looked on-line and it appears to has something to do with horses. > Thanks in advance. > > -- > > Dave Francis, CNJ > Santa Cruz, California > -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California

Does anyone know what a palfrenier is? My dictionary defines it as a groom, but in this death record I'm looking at, it's used as a profession. I've looked on-line and it appears to has something to do with horses. Thanks in advance. -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California

Never heard before. "Chemin" might refer to "Chemin de Fer" which is "railway". "publicite" does not mean "public" but "advertisement" Where did you find this "Inspecteur de la Publicite des Chemin" ? Could give me the whole text in French ? Best regards Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr> -----Message d'origine----- De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Dave Francis Envoye : mardi 16 decembre 2008 23:36 A : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Objet : [A-L] French Translation Has anyone ever run across the profession: Inspecteur de la Publicite des Chemin Google translates this as /inspector of public path/. Does anyone know what the actual profession is? -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean-Paul, Thanks for your response. There really isn't any context. This information comes from the death record for Eugene Joseph EHLY, in the village of Niederstinzel, 30 Jul 1865. It gives his name, his occupation, and his age when he died, and that he was born in Bourcher. Dave Jean-Paul Marchal wrote: > Never heard before. > > "Chemin" might refer to "Chemin de Fer" which is "railway". > "publicite" does not mean "public" but "advertisement" > > Where did you find this "Inspecteur de la Publicite des Chemin" ? Could give > me the whole text in French ? > > Best regards > > Jean-Paul Marchal <jemarchal@wanadoo.fr> > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com]De la part de Dave Francis > Envoye : mardi 16 decembre 2008 23:36 > A : alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Objet : [A-L] French Translation > > > Has anyone ever run across the profession: > > Inspecteur de la Publicite des Chemin > > Google translates this as /inspector of public path/. Does anyone know > what the actual profession is? > > -- > > Dave Francis, CNJ > Santa Cruz, California > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California

Has anyone ever run across the profession: Inspecteur de la Publicite des Chemin Google translates this as /inspector of public path/. Does anyone know what the actual profession is? -- Dave Francis, CNJ Santa Cruz, California

I am looking for info on my grandfather Isaac KLINE. Or Isaac KLEIN, as it is spelt on his marriage certificate where he is the son of Harry and Emma KLEIN. He did not seem to have any contact with relatives after coming to Canada about 1888-92. What follows is our oral family history of him. Ike was born in Alsace-Lorraine 12 Apr 1874 of a French mother and a German father. He was sent to a military academy in Berlin, where his grandfather lived, when he was five (1879). At age 14-18, he and a cousin left there for a different life. They eventually came to Brantford, Ontario, Canada but continued on to Buffalo, New York. That's pretty skimpy, but that's it. Ike returned to Brantford when he was 18 and became a coachman for the Cockshutt Plow Company which was the main industry there. Ike married Harriet (Annie) Hayhurst in 12 Apr 1896 in Brantford, Ontario, Canada and migrated west in 1900. Perhaps someone can suggest where I might check for his name at the Military Academies in Berlin. There is more data on Ike and his family on my web site: <http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rckline-wards&id=I22963> Robert Kline email: robertkline@telus.net 1079 Walalee Dr. Phone: 604-657-0134 Delta, BC, Canada, V4M 2L9 Web page: http://www3.telus.net/robertkline/

Does anyone have access to the 1836 census for Cantons of Bouxwiller, Drulingen, La Petite-Pierre and Sarre-Union ? I am searching for my great great grandmother, Katharine (Catharine, Katharina, Catherina etc) Leininger. I have a death record and birth records from her children but none of these give her place of birth or name of parents. She was married to Georg Cassel around 1840 and was living in La Petite-Pierre, Basrhin. until her death in 1860. Based on her age given on her children's birth records and on her death record, she was born around 1821 (+/- a year) If anyone have access to the CD of the 1836 census would you be willing to look for her there. Also if anyone has a record of her from some other source I would appreciate it. I have come across another Catherine Leininger about the same age who was married to someone else and emigrated to America. My Catherine died in La Petite Pierre so that can not be a match. Thank you for any help you can give me.

Maybe I can help with the Christmann line - In my family tree there is a Philippe Christmann, b) 6 Jun 1841 in Reipertswiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, married to Sophie Baumann, b) 14 Jan 1844 in Reipertswiller. They married 14 Jan 1844. I do not know of the Baumann line, but do have more on Christmann. Maybe we can share info. Feel free to contact me off line Lew Zwiebel **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019)

I have information of the marriage of Jean Jacques Christmann, b 5 Dec 1813 at Cossweiler, Alsace, France, a day laborer who married Madelaine Huber, b 24 Nov 1813 in Wasselonne, Alsace, France. Both the groom and bride were 25 on the date they married at Cossweiler on 31 July 1838. The groom was the son of Jacques Christmann (Sr) age 46, also a day laborer and of his wife, Elisabeth Kleinlogel, b 1789. Don't have much else on this line though, but do have the witnesses and their relationships. I am related to the Kleinlogel, Froehlich, Heitz, Fritchmann, Schwartz and several other families of that area, including, Cossweiler, Westhoffen, Wangen and Romansweiler. Would gladly correspond off list. Edward C Heitz (eheitz@interlinc.net) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lewzwiebel@aol.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Alsace 1836 Census help - John Bauman - Christmann > Maybe I can help with the Christmann line - > In my family tree there is a Philippe Christmann, b) 6 Jun 1841 in > Reipertswiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, married to Sophie Baumann, b) 14 Jan > 1844 in > Reipertswiller. They married 14 Jan 1844. I do not know of the Baumann > line, but > do have more on Christmann. Maybe we can share info. > > Feel free to contact me off line > > Lew Zwiebel > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW > AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019) > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I haven't check into the 1860 yet. But my Christmann line comes from Coswiller. I have gone back to the early 1800's. In my family line I have a Sophie who was the oldest of my Gr grandfather's siblings. I have not found anything more on her. Wonder where Phillippe christmann lived before hemarried Sophie. Interesting. Most of these towns back then were very small. -----Original Message----- From: alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alsace-lorraine-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lewzwiebel@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:35 PM To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-L] Alsace 1836 Census help - John Bauman My data file has a Sophie Baumann, born 14 Jan 1844 in Reipertswiller, Bas-Rhin, France, Sophie married Philippe Christmann 12 Jul 1863 in Reipertsville. I have info on Christmann, but nothing further on Sophie. If she is part of the family you are looking for, please send me her family info as you discover it. Lew Zwiebel **************Check out smokin’ hot deals on laptops, desktops and more from Dell. Shop Deals (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1213345834x1200842686/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;209513277;31396581;l) -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3631 (20081121) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3691 (20081214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Happy birthday, Joseph! Note that the surname PETITDEMANGE is pretty typical of the "Canton Welsche", a French-speaking area in Alsace. It comprizes the villages of Lapoutroie, Labaroche, Orbey, Le Bonhomme and Fréland. Etienne Le 12 déc. 08 à 16:08, Joseph E Wolfe a écrit : > Since today is my birthday thought I would try once again to see if > anyone can be of help on this stumbling block in my genealogy. > > Many thanx for any help whatesoever...especially where can I find > the Colmar > church records. the Mormon library has them for a period after the > time that I need. > > regards > > Joe Wolfe > partly French > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joseph E Wolfe <Joeedwolfe@juno.com> > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:32:25 -0800 > > sending this request out again as found out that my ancestor Mary Anne > PetitdeMange ws born in April 1801.....her brother Francis was born > in Colmar in > either 1792 or 1797. > > believe the parents to be Francis PetitdeMange and Mary Anne Heury. > > any help would be appreciated ....the brother and sister came to > America > and lived in Wilmington, DE and he was a friend of the early DuPonts. > > thanx in advance for any insight here. > > Joe Wolfe

Hi David, The archives of Sedan and the department of Ardennes are kept by: Archives Départementales des Ardennes 10 rue de la Porte de Bourgogne BP 831 08011 CHARLEVILLE-MEZIERES CEDEX France archives@cg08.fr For more information, see the site: http://www.cg08.fr/vivre_et_decouvrir_les_ardennes/les_archives_departementales/informations_pratiques__1 Local archives of Sedan are also available online at : http://www.numerique.culture.fr/mpf/pub-fr/document.html?base=service&id=FR-SE-9c7fff35 (click on "Fonds Gourjault" and "Fonds Vincent") Ewald +++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Stroebel" <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [A-L] Seeking State/Local Archives in Sedan > Can anyone pls help me locate on the internet the archives for Sedan? > > Many thanks, > > David

Happy Birthday, You could also contact Pierre-Marie Maulbecker, Chef de Service, Service des Archives municipale, Hotel de Ville, Place de la Mairie H.P.N. 328, 63221 Colmar, France. He could probably tell you where the records are kept as long as you know which church records in Colmar you are wanting to search. Am I correct in thinking you are referring to the city of Colmar in southern Alsace? Narda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph E Wolfe" <joeedwolfe@juno.com> To: <alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [A-L] Fw: PetitdeMange > Since today is my birthday thought I would try once again to see if > anyone can be of > > help on this stumbling block in my genealogy. > > Many thanx for any help whatesoever...especially where can I find the > Colmar church > > records. the Mormon library has them for a period after the time that I > need. > > regards > > Joe Wolfe > partly French > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joseph E Wolfe <Joeedwolfe@juno.com> > To: alsace-lorraine@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:32:25 -0800 > Subject: PetitdeMange > Message-ID: <20070328.193243.-260835.1.Joeedwolfe@juno.com> > > > sending this request out again as found out that my ancestor Mary Anne > PetitdeMange > > ws born in April 1801.....her brother Francis was born in Colmar in > either 1792 or 1797. > > believe the parents to be Francis PetitdeMange and Mary Anne Heury. > > any help would be appreciated ....the brother and sister came to America > and lived in > > Wilmington, DE and he was a friend of the early DuPonts. > > thanx in advance for any insight here. > > Joe Wolfe > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALSACE-LORRAINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joe, Happy birthday! If Colmar is actually the place of birth you can check the civil records's film between 1792 and 1882: Tables décennales 1792-1812 - FHL INTL Film [ 1691761 Item 3 ] Tables décennales 1802-1822 - FHL INTL Film [ 729680 ] Tables décennales 1823-1842 - FHL INTL Film [ 729681 ] Tables décennales 1843-1852 - FHL INTL Film [ 729936 ] Tables décennales 1853-1862 Enregistrement des juifs 1808 - FHL INTL Film [ 729937 ] Naissances 1793-1794 (Filmé avec les registres de la cour et l'hopital) - FHL INTL Film [ 731187 ] Naissances 1794-1796 - FHL INTL Film [ 731188 ] Naissances 1796-1799 - FHL INTL Film [ 731189 ] Naissances 1798-1802 - FHL INTL Film [ 731190 ] Naissances 1801-1805 - FHL INTL Film [ 732456 ] Naissances 1806-1809 - FHL INTL Film [ 732457 ] Naissances 1810-1814 - FHL INTL Film [ 732458 ] Naissances 1815-1819 - FHL INTL Film [ 732459 ] Naissances 1820-1824 - FHL INTL Film [ 732460 ] Naissances 1825-1829 - FHL INTL Film [ 732461 ] Naissances 1830-1834 - FHL INTL Film [ 732462 ] Naissances 1835-1838 - FHL INTL Film [ 732463 ] Naissances 1839-1842 - FHL INTL Film [ 732464 ] Naissances 1843-1848 - FHL INTL Film [ 732465 ] Naissances 1847-1850 - FHL INTL Film [ 732466 ] Naissances 1851-1852 - FHL INTL Film [ 732467 ] Naissances 1853-1856 - FHL INTL Film [ 732468 ] Naissances 1857-1859 - FHL INTL Film [ 732469 ] Naissances 1860-1862 - FHL INTL Film [ 731858 ] If you cannot find it there, what was the source for Marie Anne's birth? She could be born in a village near Colmar... - Giliane -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:08 AM Since today is my birthday thought I would try once again to see if anyone can be of help on this stumbling block in my genealogy. Many thanx for any help whatesoever...especially where can I find the Colmar church records. the Mormon library has them for a period after the time that I need. --------- Forwarded message ---------- sending this request out again as found out that my ancestor Mary Anne PetitdeMange ws born in April 1801.....her brother Francis was born in Colmar in either 1792 or 1797. believe the parents to be Francis PetitdeMange and Mary Anne Heury. any help would be appreciated ....the brother and sister came to America and lived in Wilmington, DE and he was a friend of the early DuPonts. thanx in advance for any insight here. Joe Wolfe

Can anyone pls help me locate on the internet the archives for Sedan? Many thanks, David