I also have someone with the middle name of Kossuth, born in Harrisburg PA in 1852. Paternal ancestors emigrated from Alsace in 1733. He was evidently named for Louis Kossuth, a Hungarian president in 1849. Marsha L. Ensminger --- On Thu, 6/16/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [A-L] Kasath > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 3:59 PM > A relative of mine, born of Alsatian > parents in Warren, Pennsylvania, was given a middle name > of: > > Kasath, also spelled as Kossuth and Kasooth. > > Does anyone here know anything about this name? > > I cannot find out much about it of any value. > > Thanks. > > Paul > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm  > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

See http://www.stehelene.org/ Contains searchable data base. Joe Rhein -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Sheridan Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [A-L] Napoleon Paul, I have one volume that includes those in the military from 1792-1815 and were alive in the 1850-1866 time frame when a sort of census was accomplished. Area is for Bas-Rhin and is not complete. I believe other volumes were contemplated but never published. I do not know where to obtain discharge papers. Send me his full name (several men could have the same name) and if possible where you believe he lived to my e-mail address <[email protected]> & I'll take a look. I will not be available after Sunday to do any research. Charlie Homosassa, FL > Is it possible to find a relative's 1807 discharge papers from Napoleon's > army? > > Thanks. > > Paul -- -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A relative of mine, born of Alsatian parents in Warren, Pennsylvania, was given a middle name of: Kasath, also spelled as Kossuth and Kasooth. Does anyone here know anything about this name? I cannot find out much about it of any value. Thanks. Paul

Paul, I have one volume that includes those in the military from 1792-1815 and were alive in the 1850-1866 time frame when a sort of census was accomplished. Area is for Bas-Rhin and is not complete. I believe other volumes were contemplated but never published. I do not know where to obtain discharge papers. Send me his full name (several men could have the same name) and if possible where you believe he lived to my e-mail address <[email protected]> & I'll take a look. I will not be available after Sunday to do any research. Charlie Homosassa, FL > Is it possible to find a relative's 1807 discharge papers from Napoleon's > army? > > Thanks. > > Paul --

Do I simply go here and put in Mr Hirtzel's surname and click Search? Paul On Déardaoin, 16 Meitheamh, 2011, at 14:40, Joe Rhein wrote: > See http://www.stehelene.org/ Contains searchable data base. > > Joe Rhein > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Sheridan > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [A-L] Napoleon > > Paul, > > I have one volume that includes those in the military from 1792-1815 and > were alive in the 1850-1866 time frame when a sort of census was > accomplished. Area is for Bas-Rhin and is not complete. I believe other > volumes were contemplated but never published. > > I do not know where to obtain discharge papers. > > Send me his full name (several men could have the same name) and if possible > where you believe he lived to my e-mail address <[email protected]> & > I'll take a look. I will not be available after Sunday to do any research. > > Charlie > Homosassa, FL > > >> Is it possible to find a relative's 1807 discharge papers from Napoleon's >> army? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Paul > -- > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Charles! Your help is very much appreciated! Relatively speaking, Laura Do we have ancestors in common? Check here http://livinginthepastlane.com ________________________________ From: Charles ROHRBACHER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 3:56:17 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] help with 1840 records please Hi Laura, Details are highlighted in attached file. regards, Charles. This is my (hopefully accurate) transcription of the birth record: Naissance de Pierre Victor Schmitt No 41 L’an mil huit cent quarante le deux juin a cinq heures de relevé par devant moi Jean Scherer, Maire officier de la etat civil de la commune de Hellimer, canton de Grostenquin département de la Moselle est comparu Nicolas Schmitt tanneur age de vingt Sept ans domicile à Hellimer, lequel nous a présenté un enfant du sexe masculin né ce jour d'hui a dix heures du matin est accouchée dans sa maison a Hellimer de lui déclarant et de Marie Anne Gurie son épouse sans profession age de vingt deux ans et auquel il a declaré vouloir donner les prénoms de Pierre Victor. Les d[ites] declaration et presentation faites en presence des sieurs George Dubach age de quarante trois ans et Jean Dubach age de trente neuf tous deux menuisiers, domiciles à Hellimer et tous les père et témoins signe avec nous le present acte de naissance après que lecture leur en a été faite. [signed] George du Bois, Nicolas Schmitt, Jean du Bois, Scherer If my translation is correct, the birth record says: Birth of Pierre Victor Schmitt No. 41 The year 1840 on June 2nd at five hours PM, before me Jean Scherer, Mayor officer of the civil status of the town of Hellimer, Canton Grostenquin department of Moselle has appeared Nicolas Schmitt tanner age of twenty seven years of Hellimer, which gave us a male child today, Mary Anne Gurie, his wife age of twenty two years gave birth in her home in Hellimer and which he claimed gave the first name of Pierre Victor xx the statement and presentation xxx made in the presence of Pierre George Dubach age of forty three years old and Jean Dubach age of thirty nine both woodworker living in Hellimer. Both the father and all witnesses signed this birth certificate with us after the reading was done. [signed] George du Bois, Nicolas Schmitt, Jean du Bois, Scherer This is my (slightly incomplete) transcription of the death record: Deces de Pierre Victor Schmitt age d un jour No 42 L ‘an mil huit cent quarante de trois juin à une heure de relevé par devant moi Jean Scherer Maire Officier de l’etat Civil de la commune de Hellimer canton de Grostenquin département de la Moselle sont comparus Nicolas Schmitt tanneur age de vingt Sept ans et Jean Dubach menuisier age de trente neuf ans tous deux domiciliés à Hellimer lesquels nous ont declare que cejourd'hui à midi Pierre Victor Schmitt age d'un jour fils de premier declarant et de Marie Anne Gurie son épouse sans profession age de vingt deux ans est décédé au domicile des dits ses père et mère a Hellimer où il était et les déclarants ont signe avec nous le présent acte après que lecture leur en a été faite. [signed] Nicolas Schmitt, Jean Dubach, Scherer and my attempt at translation: Death of Pierre Victor Schmitt age of one day No. 42 In the year one thousand eight hundred and forty one hour PM of June 3 XX before me by John Scherer Mayor Officer of Civil Status of the town of Canton Hellimer Grostenquin department of the Moselle is appearing Nicolas Schmitt tanner age of twenty seven years and Jean Dubach xxx age of thirty nine years both domiciled Hellimer of which we are now deceased said that Pierre Victor Schmitt age of one day declaring presxx son of Anne and Mary his wife housewife Gurie age of twenty-two years died at his father's and mother's home at Hellimer where he was, and the declarants signed with us this note after reading them was made. [signed] Nicolas Schmitt, Jean Dubach, Scherer Selon Laura Aanenson <[email protected]>: > Bonjour à tous! > > May I ask for assistance with two more records? They are the birth and death > records (one day apart) for Pierre Victor Schmitt. I posted an image and my > attempts at translation on my blog: http://livinginthepastlane.blogspot.com/ > > Thank you in advance! >   > Relatively speaking, > > Laura > >

> Is it possible to find a relative's 1807 discharge papers from Napoleon's army? > > Thanks. > > Paul

Bonjour à tous! May I ask for assistance with two more records? They are the birth and death records (one day apart) for Pierre Victor Schmitt. I posted an image and my attempts at translation on my blog: http://livinginthepastlane.blogspot.com/ Thank you in advance!   Relatively speaking, Laura Do we have ancestors in common? Check here http://livinginthepastlane.com

With that information after their arrival in the US, I doubt that they were Anabaptists; more likely Calvinist/ Reformed. When you say Alsace church books - what church in Alsace? Where in Alsace? Gloria I On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:06 PM, [email protected] wrote: > All I know is that there was one Presbyterian church, and other churches were Evangelical, but I know little else. > > Paul > > On Dé Céadaoin, 15 Meitheamh, 2011, at 04:57, Trevor Gontz wrote: > >> When you say, "and built protestant churches in the US when they >> arrived.", what denominations are you referring to? >> >> Trevor >> >> At Wednesday, 06/15/2011 on 7:13 am [email protected] wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German >> ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? >> >> There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin >> with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am >> aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of >> Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. >> >> My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and >> built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. >> >> best, >> Paul Carr >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> [1]; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Evalorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm%C2%A0%C2%A0 >> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have heard that most European Anabaptist groups did not have church structures of their own and that they achieved the few Church Events they practiced in any near-by church that was convenient and agreeable.  I found one Mennonite ancestor's family records in the Evangelical Church in their village in the Pfalz.

Both of you have good ideas, but I think we are straying here. I would love it if all Archives took advantage of the FamilySearch team, but understand why some of them are reluctant. That said, I think this thread has reached a dead end. All the best, Valorie On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:41 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > You misunderstood my comment. I was merely postulating on a comment about > how they said don't have the staff or money to do the work. Having not > ever seen the notaries, I obviously had no idea if they were in folders, > stacks, boxes, bags or bound books. I took just one possible route to give > an idea of what could be done with the aid of volunteers. > > I didn't delve into all the details that would require, but I stand by my > statement that any archive could find willing and qualified volunteers who > could greatly increase the amount of digitization of records. One doesn't > need any knowledge of what is in a record to film it. Just clear > instructions on what to film in what order. I also stated about using a > piece of equipment to hold the piece. I didn't state that apparatus would > also hold the camera (and thus always be in focus). There's also a piece > of software written to utilize two cameras mounted on such a apparatus > that allows two camera's to take alternating pictures and sort them onto a > computer in real time. > > I was not cutting down the hardworking Archivists, just that the Archives > and many other archives around the world ignore the potential that walks > in their doors every day they are open. What would it cost to hire 10, 20, > 100 people to do such work? Plus an equivalent number of overpriced book > holders with built in scanning ability? > > You related you passing dream and I simply related mine. We have different > dreams. You would throw money at the Archives and I would give them free > manpower and time, and inexpensive but functional equipment. > > I had no doubt there are many thousands, tens of thousands or even > hundreds of thousands or millions of documents that need scanning. If you > look carefully at my original post I did say qualified volunteers. These > are old documents and anyone who isn't aware of the fragile and delicate > nature of them isn't qualified. I don't claim to be an expert. > > As far as what I neglected to consider, it was really a matter of not > unnecessarily filling up people's email boxes of a detailed plan on how to > scan an archive's records. You also seem to have breezed over my comment > on how easy and inexpensive it is to make the equipment necessary to film > records. It doesn't take the $300,000 equipment that Google uses. It can > be done just as nicely quite inexpensively, with the injection of a minor > amount of physical labor (ie a hand to turn the pages, and a finger to > press a button for each picture). Some plywood, aluminum rods, brackets, > special plexiglass, bolts, screws, worm screws, camera mounts, some wire > and a few switches, some electronics. Sure it's nice to have the latest > Ferrari of book scanning to blast around town in, but it's really not > necessary to do a good job. > > Never did I claim vast experience, but I have been hacking, building and > inventing things since I could walk. Not everything I've hacked got put > back together in a working condition and not all my inventions have > worked. Have come close to blowing myself up on occasion and doing other > serious harm to myself. > > If I had a thinner skin, I might be offended by parts of your reply, but, > this is the Internet, and misunderstandings come easy without the human > personal clues. No insult was intended to either you or our wonderful > Archivists, and in return I won't feel insulted by your email. I just > think it's more effective throwing people at a problem than money. Money > rents people, but has a way of being diluted along the path and renting > people is expensive. People who volunteer for the sheer joy of it tend to > be more dedicated and committed. > > There is no dispute it's long hard boring work, that tends to give me > headaches and neck aches. I may just be more stubborn than some, and stick > it out beyond what most people would. Not that anyone has ever called me > more stubborn than a Missouri Mule, but I do live in Missouri. ;') > > Lastly, I said digitizing, not digitizing and indexing. Indexing is a > whole other subject. Entirely. > > But to take a collection and scan it in the order it is stored in should > be relatively trouble free. Clearly, loose papers are far more troublesome > to handle than bound books. etc. > > Brian > > PS, I'm going to trim the post. We don't need it to grow too huge. ;') > PPS, I have no intention of continuing a discussion on this. It was really > meant only to stimulate ideas. On how to help a bunch overworked dedicated > people. > > On Mon, June 13, 2011 2:23 pm, Charlie Sheridan wrote: >> Fellow members. >> >> I don't enjoy having disagreements at your expense but believe I must >> answer >> Brian's comments on my statement "wealthy benefactor idea" that refers to >> notary records being scanned.  My comment was only a passing dream that >> might resolve the issue in my lifetime.  Hopefully it won't cause any hard >> feelings. > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com Last.fm, Facebook, Twitter, Identica, LinkedIn, Delicious: valoriez

I have just had my DNA done, and the result has come back that I descend from Mennonites or Amish. Since my family has no knowledge of this I will have to do some work to figure it out. I have one ancestor from Wurttenberg, and she could be the answer for me. Keep us posted as to share the answers are. As for your church builders-they probably did that for a living. Some of mine did that too in Nebraska. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [A-L] Anabaptists Folks, Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. best, Paul Carr -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only way to know is to ask your ancestors, of course, that not being possible you will need to draw conclusions based on what you know about your ancestors. Anabaptist are Protestant Christians of the Radical Reformation of the 16th. century Europe. Among direct descendants are the Amish, Brethren and Mennonites. Anabaptist rejected practices such as wearing wedding rings, taking oaths and participating in civil government. They adhered to a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount and Believer's baptism. For reasons that may be obvious, they were they were ignored and often persecuted during the 16th. by both Protestants and Roman Catholics. Hope this will help, a little. W In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:14:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Folks, Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. best, Paul Carr -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you say, "and built protestant churches in the US when they arrived.", what denominations are you referring to? Trevor At Wednesday, 06/15/2011 on 7:13 am [email protected] wrote: Folks, Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. best, Paul Carr -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm   [1]; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Evalorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm%C2%A0%C2%A0

Thank you. Paul On Dé Céadaoin, 15 Meitheamh, 2011, at 05:58, [email protected] wrote: > The only way to know is to ask your ancestors, of course, that not being > possible you will need to draw conclusions based on what you know about > your ancestors. Anabaptist are Protestant Christians of the Radical > Reformation of the 16th. century Europe. Among direct descendants are the Amish, > Brethren and Mennonites. Anabaptist rejected practices such as wearing wedding > rings, taking oaths and participating in civil government. They > adhered to a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount and > Believer's baptism. > For reasons that may be obvious, they were they were ignored and often > persecuted during the 16th. by both Protestants and Roman Catholics. > Hope this will help, a little. > W > > > > In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:14:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Folks, > > Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German > ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? > > There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin with) > came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am aware > somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of Anabaptists starting > arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. > > My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and built > protestant churches in the US when they arrived. > > best, > Paul Carr > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe that one of them was a Lutheran church book, if I recall correctly now. Sundhausen, Boofzheim, Baldenheim are some of the towns. Paul On Dé Céadaoin, 15 Meitheamh, 2011, at 06:05, gloria ishida wrote: > With that information after their arrival in the US, I doubt that they were Anabaptists; more likely Calvinist/ > Reformed. When you say Alsace church books - what church in Alsace? Where in Alsace? > > Gloria I > On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:06 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> All I know is that there was one Presbyterian church, and other churches were Evangelical, but I know little else. >> >> Paul >> >> On Dé Céadaoin, 15 Meitheamh, 2011, at 04:57, Trevor Gontz wrote: >> >>> When you say, "and built protestant churches in the US when they >>> arrived.", what denominations are you referring to? >>> >>> Trevor >>> >>> At Wednesday, 06/15/2011 on 7:13 am [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German >>> ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? >>> >>> There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin >>> with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am >>> aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of >>> Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. >>> >>> My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and >>> built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. >>> >>> best, >>> Paul Carr >>> -- >>> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >>> [1]; >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Links: >>> ------ >>> [1] >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Evalorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm%C2%A0%C2%A0 >>> >>> -- >>> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All I know is that there was one Presbyterian church, and other churches were Evangelical, but I know little else. Paul On Dé Céadaoin, 15 Meitheamh, 2011, at 04:57, Trevor Gontz wrote: > When you say, "and built protestant churches in the US when they > arrived.", what denominations are you referring to? > > Trevor > > At Wednesday, 06/15/2011 on 7:13 am [email protected] wrote: > > Folks, > > Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German > ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? > > There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin > with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am > aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of > Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. > > My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and > built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. > > best, > Paul Carr > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > [1]; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Evalorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm%C2%A0%C2%A0 > > -- > Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks, Is there any way to know whether or not my protestant Swiss-German ancestors in the Bas-Rhin were Anabaptists? There is some belief in my family that my family (Hirtzels, to begin with) came from Switzerland before they settled in the Alsace. I am aware somewhat of the history of the persecution and migration of Anabaptists starting arond 1650 down the Rhine to the Alsace. My ancestors are in the protestant church books in the Alsace, and built protestant churches in the US when they arrived. best, Paul Carr

Hi Cari, the solution to the enigma is simple: the entries 48-58 on the first page are the last entries of the census of Stützheim, as I have verified it in the latter village. The censuses of various villages have been bound together, in alphabetical order. For what villages did you get "en deficit"? It might be that those villages were not a commune on their own, or that the censuses are lost. Best regards, Etienne Le 11 juin 11 à 20:05, Carolyn J Thomas a écrit : > >From: Paul Carr <[email protected]> > >Subject: [A-L] 1819 census > >Thanks to help from a bunch of folks here, I looked in the census > records at > >http://population.bas-rhin.fr/ellenbach/index.php > >I looked in the 1819 Sundahausen records for Hirtzels, but found > none. I know that they must be there. > >If anyone stumbles across an entry for Hirtzel in the 1819 > Sundahausen census, please do let me know. > >Thanks. > >Paul Portland, OR > > Hi Paul, Etienne and other listers, > > I was interested in Paul’s query re: Sundhouse, because so far, NONE > of my Alsatian locations has an 1819 census posted; all show EN > DEFICIT. :-( Now, I’m even more interested in what I notice on > the 4 images for Sundhouse/Sundhausen: > > IMAGE: Side of image: Numbers in order of enumeration > Image 1: left page: 48-58 > Image 1: right page: 1-33 > Image 2: left page: 34-71 > Image 2: right page: 72-109 > Image 3: left page: 110-147 > Image 3: right page: 148-185 > Image 4: left page: 186-222 > Image 4: right page: 223-243 > > I understand the last 5 of the six pages, enumerating the residents > from 1 to 143. > > HOWEVER, what does that left page of image 1 indicate? I can’t quite > figure this out, nor can I understand why the numbers go from 48 to > 58? These 48-58 are not the same families shown as #48-58 on image > 2, left page. > > The only difference I see between the pages of image 1: Headings on > left page are in French and right (and all other images) are in > German. > > Any enlightenment? > > Cari Thomas > > Oh, yes, does EN DEFICIT mean the 1819 censuses for my personal > ancestral locations are lost forever? ...or what, exactly?

You misunderstood my comment. I was merely postulating on a comment about how they said don't have the staff or money to do the work. Having not ever seen the notaries, I obviously had no idea if they were in folders, stacks, boxes, bags or bound books. I took just one possible route to give an idea of what could be done with the aid of volunteers. I didn't delve into all the details that would require, but I stand by my statement that any archive could find willing and qualified volunteers who could greatly increase the amount of digitization of records. One doesn't need any knowledge of what is in a record to film it. Just clear instructions on what to film in what order. I also stated about using a piece of equipment to hold the piece. I didn't state that apparatus would also hold the camera (and thus always be in focus). There's also a piece of software written to utilize two cameras mounted on such a apparatus that allows two camera's to take alternating pictures and sort them onto a computer in real time. I was not cutting down the hardworking Archivists, just that the Archives and many other archives around the world ignore the potential that walks in their doors every day they are open. What would it cost to hire 10, 20, 100 people to do such work? Plus an equivalent number of overpriced book holders with built in scanning ability? You related you passing dream and I simply related mine. We have different dreams. You would throw money at the Archives and I would give them free manpower and time, and inexpensive but functional equipment. I had no doubt there are many thousands, tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands or millions of documents that need scanning. If you look carefully at my original post I did say qualified volunteers. These are old documents and anyone who isn't aware of the fragile and delicate nature of them isn't qualified. I don't claim to be an expert. As far as what I neglected to consider, it was really a matter of not unnecessarily filling up people's email boxes of a detailed plan on how to scan an archive's records. You also seem to have breezed over my comment on how easy and inexpensive it is to make the equipment necessary to film records. It doesn't take the $300,000 equipment that Google uses. It can be done just as nicely quite inexpensively, with the injection of a minor amount of physical labor (ie a hand to turn the pages, and a finger to press a button for each picture). Some plywood, aluminum rods, brackets, special plexiglass, bolts, screws, worm screws, camera mounts, some wire and a few switches, some electronics. Sure it's nice to have the latest Ferrari of book scanning to blast around town in, but it's really not necessary to do a good job. Never did I claim vast experience, but I have been hacking, building and inventing things since I could walk. Not everything I've hacked got put back together in a working condition and not all my inventions have worked. Have come close to blowing myself up on occasion and doing other serious harm to myself. If I had a thinner skin, I might be offended by parts of your reply, but, this is the Internet, and misunderstandings come easy without the human personal clues. No insult was intended to either you or our wonderful Archivists, and in return I won't feel insulted by your email. I just think it's more effective throwing people at a problem than money. Money rents people, but has a way of being diluted along the path and renting people is expensive. People who volunteer for the sheer joy of it tend to be more dedicated and committed. There is no dispute it's long hard boring work, that tends to give me headaches and neck aches. I may just be more stubborn than some, and stick it out beyond what most people would. Not that anyone has ever called me more stubborn than a Missouri Mule, but I do live in Missouri. ;') Lastly, I said digitizing, not digitizing and indexing. Indexing is a whole other subject. Entirely. But to take a collection and scan it in the order it is stored in should be relatively trouble free. Clearly, loose papers are far more troublesome to handle than bound books. etc. Brian PS, I'm going to trim the post. We don't need it to grow too huge. ;') PPS, I have no intention of continuing a discussion on this. It was really meant only to stimulate ideas. On how to help a bunch overworked dedicated people. On Mon, June 13, 2011 2:23 pm, Charlie Sheridan wrote: > Fellow members. > > I don't enjoy having disagreements at your expense but believe I must > answer > Brian's comments on my statement "wealthy benefactor idea" that refers to > notary records being scanned. My comment was only a passing dream that > might resolve the issue in my lifetime. Hopefully it won't cause any hard > feelings.