Hello fellow Alsacians, My grandfather, born Othon Goepp, at some point in his life (probably when he was in Paris in the late 19th, early 20th century) changed his last name to Guerlac. I do not yet know when he changed his name or where. I only know that he took the name Guerlac to honor a 19th (18th?) century German whose life he admired. My sister recalls my father saying that this German was a socialist, or a revolutionary, "a good guy," she recalls him telling her. I have searched web several times at some length, but have only found the Gerlach brothers, one of whom seems to have been close to Bismark (this is from memory, understand), so I suspect he was not the Gerlach my grandfather, a journalist, translator, literary person, and later French professor, wished to emulate. My German (which I'm working on again) is currently insufficient to browse the German web, but I wonder if any of the correspondents of this listserv, who know so much, could point me towards a good prospect (a dictionary of German biography must exist). Thank you, and I enjoy so much reading your daily posts. Lucy Battersby (soon to be Guerlac again, which suggests the urgency of my inquiry)

You may want to start with the locations listed in http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/francecom.cgi?numero=0045441&periode=1&dept=57 for Oberle in Moselle during 1891-1915 and then move on to the ones in Bas Rhin and Haut Rhin later since you think she was from Moselle. The surname Abba is only listed in Moselle in Walscheid and is not listed at all in Alsace for that time period. It is not very far from Dabo or Lutzelbourg, two of the top listings for Oberle. You could also try going through the Oberles and Abbas in geneanet.org and try to find them. "I'm trying to locate a Rosina Oberle, who was born 19 March 1801, most likely in Moselle and her husband Jean Abba.  The family emigrated to Cincinnati, Ohio, around 1836. ..." You may also want to check for an obituary in or near Wilder, Campbell county, Kentucky, USA based on the following that lists a Rosina Oberle with the same birth date. It is possible that they are the same or that you have some info crossed. http://files.usgwarchives.net/ky/campbell/cemeteries/stjoej-p.txt Oberle,Rosina Abbe-married Krebs-19 Marz 1801-14 Mai 1882 Good luck, Dave

Bob I have a Rosine in my family tree in Alsace, 1818. Steve ________________________________ From: Bob Krebs <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 9:31:58 AM Subject: [A-L] Rosina Oberle & Jean Abba I'm trying to locate a Rosina Oberle, who was born 19 March 1801, most likely in Moselle and her husband Jean Abba.  The family emigrated to Cincinnati, Ohio, around 1836.  I have searched all the available records in the USA for their birth places, with no results.  This includes checking their children's records.    I'm wondering if the "Rosina" name is usually found in the area of Alsace Lorraine?  Rosina married Jean Abba in the 1820's.  Their daughter, Anna Maria Abba, married Jean Paul Krebs, of Rimling, Moselle, in 1852 in Cincinnati, Ohio.  They were Roman Catholic.

Fred, You are correct, but the records of those three towns are included with the Merlebach records that I have. Are you suggesting that I should also post this to another list? If so, any suggestions will be appreciated. Frank in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Frank" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Merlebach, St Nicolas, Carlsbronn, Nassweier Birth-Marriage-Death Records Frank, Most of those villages (Karlsbrunn, Sankt Nikolaus, and Naßweiler) are in Saarland, Germany and not in Lorraine. Only Merlebach is in Lorraine. There are ortssippenbuchen published and available on microfilm from any local LDS Family History Center: Karlsbrunn ("Die Einwohner von Karlsbrunn von 1717-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1859089 Item 1)), Naßweiler ("Die Einwohner von Naßweiler von 1608-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1858641 Item 7 )), and Sankt Nikolaus ("Die Einwohner von St. Nikolaus von 1696-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1858641 Item 6)). Merlebach also has an OSB, but it is not available on microfilm from the LDS. Other villages in that area also have OSBs including: Alte Glashütte (Vieille Verrerie ), Ludweiler, Petite-Rosselle (Kleinrosseln), Großrosseln, Forbach. and Werbeln. At 02:00 AM 7/27/2011, you wrote: >From: "Frank" <[email protected]> >Subject: [A-L] Merlebach, St Nicolas, Carlsbronn, Nassweiler >Birth-Marriage-Death Records >To: <[email protected]> > >Hello List, > >I have birth, marriage and death records for the subject areas, except for >1789. > >Births......1672---1832 > >Marriage......1701----1832 Some to 1893 > >Death........1674----1832 > >The early years in all three categories are incomplete. These are >transcripts of Catholic >parish records and Civil Registration. Information is listed by YEAR. > >If you need a lookup, or confirmation of information you already have, I >will be happy to help. >You MUST provide a year, or an appropriate range of years. That is the >only way I will be able >to help you. > >Regards >Frank in Florida ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e3032b98d69d233cf5st02vuc

Frank, It is unlikely that OSB contains the same people as the OSBs for the individual villages. Some of those villages are Evangelische (Lutheran), some are Reformed (Calvinists- AKA Presbyterian), and some are Huguenot, and would not contain many Catholics. It is possible the Merlebach OSB contains the few Catholics from the Evangelische village of Karlsbrunn (if any), but the Evangelische members would only be in the Karlsbrunn OSB. I happen to have the Karlsbrunn OSB. It has 591 families from Maria Catharine Adam to Conrad Zitterkopf, and includes the ancestral family of US President "Ike" Eisenhower. I also have the Kleinrosseln, Großrosseln, Ludweiler, and Werbeln OSBs, because my wife's family was from all those villages. There are other lists that might be interested in this information: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/FRA/FRA-LORRAINE.html http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-SAARLAND.html At 11:35 AM 7/27/2011, you wrote: >Fred, > >You are correct, but the records of those three >towns are included with the Merlebach >records that I have. Are you suggesting that I >should also post this to another list? >If so, any suggestions will be appreciated. > >Frank in Florida >----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]>; "Frank" <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM >Subject: Re: Merlebach, St Nicolas, Carlsbronn, >Nassweier Birth-Marriage-Death Records > > >Frank, > >Most of those villages (Karlsbrunn, Sankt >Nikolaus, and Naßweiler) are in Saarland, Germany >and not in Lorraine. Only Merlebach is in Lorraine. > >There are ortssippenbuchen published and >available on microfilm from any local LDS Family >History Center: Karlsbrunn ("Die Einwohner von >Karlsbrunn von 1717-1900," by Otto Treinen and >Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1859089 Item 1)), >Naßweiler ("Die Einwohner von Naßweiler von >1608-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter >(LDS microfilm 1858641 Item 7 )), and Sankt >Nikolaus ("Die Einwohner von St. Nikolaus von >1696-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter >(LDS microfilm 1858641 Item 6)). Merlebach also >has an OSB, but it is not available on microfilm from the LDS. > >Other villages in that area also have OSBs >including: Alte Glashütte (Vieille Verrerie ), >Ludweiler, Petite-Rosselle (Kleinrosseln), Großrosseln, Forbach. and Werbeln. > > >At 02:00 AM 7/27/2011, you wrote: >>From: "Frank" <[email protected]> >>Subject: [A-L] Merlebach, St Nicolas, >>Carlsbronn, Nassweiler Birth-Marriage-Death Records >>To: <[email protected]> >> >>Hello List, >> >>I have birth, marriage and death records for >>the subject areas, except for 1789. >> >>Births......1672---1832 >> >>Marriage......1701----1832 Some to 1893 >> >>Death........1674----1832 >> >>The early years in all three categories are >>incomplete. These are transcripts of Catholic >>parish records and Civil Registration. Information is listed by YEAR. >> >>If you need a lookup, or confirmation of >>information you already have, I will be happy to help. >>You MUST provide a year, or an appropriate >>range of years. That is the only way I will be able >>to help you. >> >>Regards >>Frank in Florida > >____________________________________________________________ >57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! >Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e3032b98d69d233cf5st02vuc > > > > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3791 - Release Date: 07/27/11

Frank, Most of those villages (Karlsbrunn, Sankt Nikolaus, and Naßweiler) are in Saarland, Germany and not in Lorraine. Only Merlebach is in Lorraine. There are ortssippenbuchen published and available on microfilm from any local LDS Family History Center: Karlsbrunn ("Die Einwohner von Karlsbrunn von 1717-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1859089 Item 1)), Naßweiler ("Die Einwohner von Naßweiler von 1608-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1858641 Item 7 )), and Sankt Nikolaus ("Die Einwohner von St. Nikolaus von 1696-1900," by Otto Treinen and Werner Weiter (LDS microfilm 1858641 Item 6)). Merlebach also has an OSB, but it is not available on microfilm from the LDS. Other villages in that area also have OSBs including: Alte Glashütte (Vieille Verrerie ), Ludweiler, Petite-Rosselle (Kleinrosseln), Großrosseln, Forbach. and Werbeln. At 02:00 AM 7/27/2011, you wrote: >From: "Frank" <[email protected]> >Subject: [A-L] Merlebach, St Nicolas, >Carlsbronn, Nassweier Birth-Marriage-Death Records >To: <[email protected]> > >Hello List, > >I have birth, marriage and death records for the >subject areas, except for 1789. > >Births......1672---1832 > >Marriage......1701----1832 Some to 1893 > >Death........1674----1832 > >The early years in all three categories are >incomplete. These are transcripts of Catholic >parish records and Civil Registration. Information is listed by YEAR. > >If you need a lookup, or confirmation of >information you already have, I will be happy to help. >You MUST provide a year, or an appropriate range >of years. That is the only way I will be able >to help you. > >Regards >Frank in Florida ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e3032b98d69d233cf5st02vuc

Bob, The Alsace Emigration Book lists three people with the surname Oberle: Francois Antoin[e], born 1839 in Surbourg, emigrated 1859 (profession: "SHOE") Pierre, born 1844 in Thal, emigrated 1864 (no profession listed) Chretien, born in Hornberg (no date given), emigrated 10-3-1849 (no profession listed) I suggest you investigate those towns. Sharon Waechter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Krebs" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:31:58 AM Subject: [A-L] Rosina Oberle & Jean Abba I'm trying to locate a Rosina Oberle, who was born 19 March 1801, most likely in Moselle and her husband Jean Abba. The family emigrated to Cincinnati, Ohio, around 1836. I have searched all the available records in the USA for their birth places, with no results. This includes checking their children's records. I'm wondering if the "Rosina" name is usually found in the area of Alsace Lorraine? Rosina married Jean Abba in the 1820's. Their daughter, Anna Maria Abba, married Jean Paul Krebs, of Rimling, Moselle, in 1852 in Cincinnati, Ohio. They were Roman Catholic. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks very much, Bob Krebs -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm trying to locate a Rosina Oberle, who was born 19 March 1801, most likely in Moselle and her husband Jean Abba. The family emigrated to Cincinnati, Ohio, around 1836. I have searched all the available records in the USA for their birth places, with no results. This includes checking their children's records. I'm wondering if the "Rosina" name is usually found in the area of Alsace Lorraine? Rosina married Jean Abba in the 1820's. Their daughter, Anna Maria Abba, married Jean Paul Krebs, of Rimling, Moselle, in 1852 in Cincinnati, Ohio. They were Roman Catholic. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks very much, Bob Krebs

Hello List, I have birth, marriage and death records for the subject areas, except for 1789. Births......1672---1832 Marriage......1701----1832 Some to 1893 Death........1674----1832 The early years in all three categories are incomplete. These are transcripts of Catholic parish records and Civil Registration. Information is listed by YEAR. If you need a lookup, or confirmation of information you already have, I will be happy to help. You MUST provide a year, or an appropriate range of years. That is the only way I will be able to help you. Regards Frank in Florida

To whom does one write in an Alsace village to ask for a 'domicillary card' and would an 1832 imigrant's still be available today? Thank you Rollie Richards, >[email protected]< -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town Thank you, I will do that. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:45:54 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I received what was called a "Domicilliary Card(Document)" of places my great-grandparents lived from the archives in Metz, Alsace-Lorraine. Maybe you can obtain the same document from the place where your ancestors lived by writing to the archives of that town. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Walth100 <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I do not know the "rules" concerning moving from one town to another, however, I believe permission was needed to leave the country. In a message dated 7/5/2011 10:48:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I thought I had heard that during the 1800's when a person wanted to move from a particular town ,they had to get permission from the Mayor to do so. Does anyone know if this is so and secondly was a record of this move kept at the town hall? Thank you, Eugene Gutknecht -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI...CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME IS THERE A LINK FOR THE 'DOMICILIARY' INDEX CARDS....THANK YOU CAROL... In a message dated 7/23/2011 8:12:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Gene, The Domiciliary Card Index gives you the names, birth dates, birth places, religion and the addresses with dates for the family. Good luck! Maria -----Original Message----- From: gutk <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town Thank you, I will do that. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:45:54 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I received what was called a "Domicilliary Card(Document)" of places my great-grandparents lived from the archives in Metz, Alsace-Lorraine. Maybe you can obtain the same document from the place where your ancestors lived by writing to the archives of that town. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Walth100 <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I do not know the "rules" concerning moving from one town to another, however, I believe permission was needed to leave the country. In a message dated 7/5/2011 10:48:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I thought I had heard that during the 1800's when a person wanted to move from a particular town ,they had to get permission from the Mayor to do so. Does anyone know if this is so and secondly was a record of this move kept at the town hall? Thank you, Eugene Gutknecht -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gene, The Domiciliary Card Index gives you the names, birth dates, birth places, religion and the addresses with dates for the family. Good luck! Maria -----Original Message----- From: gutk <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:09 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town Thank you, I will do that. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:45:54 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I received what was called a "Domicilliary Card(Document)" of places my great-grandparents lived from the archives in Metz, Alsace-Lorraine. Maybe you can obtain the same document from the place where your ancestors lived by writing to the archives of that town. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Walth100 <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I do not know the "rules" concerning moving from one town to another, however, I believe permission was needed to leave the country. In a message dated 7/5/2011 10:48:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I thought I had heard that during the 1800's when a person wanted to move from a particular town ,they had to get permission from the Mayor to do so. Does anyone know if this is so and secondly was a record of this move kept at the town hall? Thank you, Eugene Gutknecht -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, I will do that. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:45:54 PM Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I received what was called a "Domicilliary Card(Document)" of places my great-grandparents lived from the archives in Metz, Alsace-Lorraine. Maybe you can obtain the same document from the place where your ancestors lived by writing to the archives of that town. Maria         -----Original Message----- From: Walth100 <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I do not know the "rules" concerning moving from one town to  another, however, I believe permission was needed to leave the   country.     In a message dated 7/5/2011 10:48:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   [email protected] writes: I  thought I had heard that during the 1800's when a person wanted to move   from a particular town ,they had to get permission from the Mayor to do  so. Does anyone know if this is so and  secondly   was a  record of this move kept at the town hall? Thank you, Eugene  Gutknecht -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list  members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to [email protected] with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandmother was a twin and I have her birth certificate and a separate birth certificate for her twin brother. They were born in Metz in 1880. Maria -----Original Message----- From: shill <[email protected]> To: ALSACE-LORRAINE <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 6:41 am Subject: Re: [A-L] Recording birth of twins in 1826?? Thanks so much for everyone's input---Linda, Rollie, Brian, Gloria, Nicole, Leppert. I truly appreciate the feedback! Rollie, the PIERO surname is especially prominent in the areas of Plain Township & Canton city of Stark County, Ohio although it is found spelled many different ways. Magdalena Richards is the americanized version of Madelaine Richert. Gloria, thanks for the wonderful website for early Catholic records in Ohio. The Theresa Louisa Piero you found bapt. in 1828 helps me narrow further the span of her birth---plus is another resource for many of my other family lines. THANK YOU! Sue > > Can anyone shed light on how twin births were usually recorded? Would they > have been listed in same entry or separately? > > > > > > > -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received what was called a "Domicilliary Card(Document)" of places my great-grandparents lived from the archives in Metz, Alsace-Lorraine. Maybe you can obtain the same document from the place where your ancestors lived by writing to the archives of that town. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Walth100 <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [A-L] Permission to leave town I do not know the "rules" concerning moving from one town to another, however, I believe permission was needed to leave the country. In a message dated 7/5/2011 10:48:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I thought I had heard that during the 1800's when a person wanted to move from a particular town ,they had to get permission from the Mayor to do so. Does anyone know if this is so and secondly was a record of this move kept at the town hall? Thank you, Eugene Gutknecht -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dean, I live about 10 km from the grave of Etichon-Adalric of Alsace, also known as Eticho, Attich Aticus, Chadalricus, Etih. Etichon-Adalric was duke of Alsace between 662-689. His father seems to be Adalrich who originated in the pagus Attoariensis. He is buried on the mount Saint-Odile. See the site http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etichon-Adalric_d%27Alsace (in French) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adalrich,_Duke_of_Alsace (in English) A family tree is at: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#Etichodiedafter677 Ewald -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:58 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [A-L] Adalric Duc De Alsace > My 38th Great Grandfather > > -- > Dean > > *Combien je t'aime? Comptez les vagues.* > * > *

My 38th Great Grandfather -- Dean *Combien je t'aime? Comptez les vagues.* * *

This has been the tradition in Japan for many years, growing less common now. Gloria On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Marsha Ensminger wrote: > Or, if a family had no sons, a son-in-law would be picked to take > over; he would adopt the surname, which his sons and their > descendants used. There's at least one family in my ancestry where > this happened every couple of generations for a while. > > Marsha L. Ensminger > > >> >>

I received a "Domicilliary Card" from Metz in Alsace -Lorraine with recorded places my ancestor lived at. It was a copy of the card. Could this be what you are speaking about? Maria -----Original Message----- From: Gene Gutknecht <[email protected]> To: alsace-lorraine <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:46 am Subject: [A-L] Permission to leave town I thought I had heard that during the 1800's when a person wanted to move from a particular town ,they had to get permission from the Mayor to do so. Does anyone know if this is so and secondly was a record of this move kept at the town hall? Thank you, Eugene Gutknecht -- Resources for Alsace-Lorraine list members: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~valorie/Alsace-Lorraine-L.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian, another idea: Alsatian names ending in ung- or -ang are sometimes "germanizations" of French names. The French sounds "on" and "an" do not exist in German (neither in English). E.g. Coulon => Gullung, Vincent => Weyssang; etc. The same might have occurred with Beltzung and your hypothesis of "Pelson" is not unlikely. I do not think the Beltz is a shortened form of the above, but one never knows with etymology. Etienne Le 18 juil. 11 à 21:04, [email protected] a écrit : > That agrees with my limited research. The name Beltz cropping up > after the name Beltzung. Not by much. I've always wondered if they > don't share a common ancestor in Jean Billigzung. There is another > connection of Jean Pelson l'aine who may be the father of > Jean Beltzung (oo Walbourg Gladey). However, Pelson may have it's own > etymology. > > However, it is the Beltz which interests me most, as it could very > well be > a shortening of the name Beltzung. I have names in other regions of > Europe > where this happened, and it almost always seems to happen in the early > 1600s. But we would need records to tie the names together. Records > which > don't appear to exist. Either because they were destroyed or the two > surnames are just different. Mysteries and windmills. What to chase > and > what not to chase? That is the question. I had just been musing on the > subject, when I posted that email. Wondering if anyone else had come > to my > leap of logic. > > Thanks Etienne for responding. > > Brian > > > On Mon, July 18, 2011 10:39 am, Etienne Herrbach wrote: >> Brian, >> >> I would say that BELTZ and BELTZUNG are different names. Their >> etymology isn't clear.