THis is from Bill Peebles Le Le, I contacted Charlton Pingel and sent her the information I had about James Thomas Kelley and Amelia Louise Oates. She checked the 1870 census and found that they were listed next to her parents in Pike County, AL. I now have no doubt that they were in DeSoto Parish, LA in 1860, and in Cherokee County, TX in 1880. They apparently didn't remain in LA very long, because none of their children were born in LA. Since James was still living in 1870, he could not have been the J. Thomas Kelly who died in the Civil War. Since Amelia L. Kelley who is buried in the Union Springs Cemetery in Corrigan, Polk County, TX and Amelia Louise Oates were both born on the same date and both died on the same date, and the husband of both was named James T. Kelley, I feel that they must be the same person. I have attached an updated family group sheet with the names of their children from the three census records. Bill On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:25:39 -0600, "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> said: > If he were in Louisiana then perhaps he fought in a Louisiana Regiment. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Peebles" <[email protected]> > To: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > > Le, > Regarding James Thomas Kelley and Amelia Louise Oates: > 1860 DeSoto Parish, LA census: > Jas. T. Kelly, 25, m, farmer, AL > Amelia L. Kelly, 20, f, AL > Sarah E. Kelly, 4, f, AL > Cornelia J. Kelly, 16 mo., f, AL > Charlotte H. L. Kelly, 5 mo., f, AL > Wm. L. Parish, 21, m, farmer AL > > 1880 Cherokee County, TX census: > James T. Kelley, wm, 46, farmer, AL SC NC > Amelia L. Kelley, wf, 40, wife, keeping house, AL SC NC > Legrana Kelley, wf, 19, dau, at home, AL AL AL > Amanda E. Kelley, wf, 17, dau, at home, AL AL AL > John Kelley, wm, 16, son, works on farm, AL AL AL > Wyatt Kelley, wm, 9, son, works on farm, AL AL AL > Wade H. Kelley, wm, 8, son, works on farm, AL AL AL > Ever Kelley, wf, 2, dau, AL AL AL > > Seeing the name Amanda E. Kelley as a daughter on the 1880 census, I > decided to search FamilySearch.org for the name Amanda Elizabeth Kelley. > I found: > > Amanda Elizabeth Kelley > bn. 22 Nov 1861, Pike Co., AL > d. 15 Jul 1927, Woden, Nacogdoches Co., TX > father: James Thomas Kelley > mother: Amanda Louise Oates > married: William Box G. "Buck" Strahan, 13 Jul 1882 > > burial place of James Thomas Kelley and Amanda Louise Oates > is shown as Union Springs, Corrigan, Polk County, TX > > Regarding Wards in Polk County, TX: > Eliza Ann Ward and Permelia Ward were daughters of James Ward and Nancy > Parish. Eliza Ann Ward married Wiley Peebles. Permelia Ward married > James J. Galloway. > > Bill Peebles > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > ----- Original message ----- > From: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > To: "Bill Peebles" <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:28:37 -0600 > Subject: Re: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > Dear Bill > I want to thank you for telling me about this. I have excerpts > from > Gettysburg Death Roster by Robert Krick, it list a J. THomas Kelly > killed in > Pickett's Charge, in Co. E 13th Regt. Ala Inf. The problem with that > however > that Company was the Randolph Rangers of Randolph Co. Alabama. I do not > think he was the same Kelly as ours do you. There was also another > person of > the same name in Co. L 15th Alabama Inf. from Pike County. If they were > in > Texas or Southeast Louisiana by the time of the 1860 census, there is no > way > these men can be the Kelly, who Amelia married. I know of only three > children for the couple. Now he could have been in these commands if he > moved to Texas after the War. If he was on the 1860 census for either > texas > or Louisiana he is not the same. Can you send me any information on > Amelia > and James's children. Charlton Pingle sent me the names of only three > children she had all girls. But I had computer trouble and that material > is > gone. I would like the names of any descendants of theirs. I was > wondering > the Ward family of Henry County, Alabama and Texas how are they are > related > to James Ward and Nancy Parrish, who were the parents of Mary Ann Oates. > Thanks for any and all help. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Peebles" <[email protected]> > To: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:31 AM > Subject: Re: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > > Le, > I am now convinced that the James T. and Amelia L. Kelly who were in > Cherokee County, TX in 1880 were James Thomas Kelly and Amelia Louise > Oates. One of their daughters was named Amanda E. Kelly, who must have > been named after Amelia's sister. The sister Amanda Elizabeth Oates and > her husband George Linton were also in Cherokee County in 1880. > > Bill Peebles > > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different. > > ----- Original message ----- > From: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > To: "W. Peebles" <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:30:01 -0600 > Subject: Re: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > Dear Bill > I located someone who sent me information from Pike County > Alabama > sources, he maintained > that James Thomas Kelly married Amelia Oates in Pike County, and he was > a > member of Co. L of the 15th Alabama, but the only problem Governor Oates > does not mention him as his brother in law, like he did James Benjamin > Long, > who married his eldest sister in 1855, Mr. Kelly married Amelia in 1856, > so > he should have mentioned him but did not. Gov. Oates even mentioned > George > W. Linton as a his future brother in law, who married his youngest > sister, > so the only problem with the Kelly in the 13th Alabama, is his company > was > solely a Randolph County company. Co. E The Randolph Rangers. So I do > not > know. I do not know when Amelia traveled to Texas. Another Oates > researcher > told me they had three daughters, and I took her word for it. Perhaps > they > migrated to Louisiana first before ending up in Texas. I will contact > Elza, > and Charlton to see what they think. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W. Peebles" <[email protected]> > To: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > > Le, > I've been trying to make some sense of the different records regarding > James Thomas Kelly / James Thompson Kelley and Amelia Louise Oates. On > familysearch.org, I found a James T. Kelly in Cherokee County, Texas in > 1880. He was 46, born in Alabama. His wife is Amelia L. Kelly, 40, also > born in Alabama. They have several children, the youngest , age 2, born > in Texas, the rest were born in Alabama. I also found Jas. T. Kelly and > Amelia Louise Kelly in De Soto Parish, Louisiana in 1860. They had three > daughters whose names are the same as the list of children you sent me > earlier. If James and Amelia could be found on an 1870 census, that > could confirm that James Thomas Kelly was not the one who died in > Pickett's Charge. > > Regarding the headstone of James Thompson Kelley in the Union Springs > Cemetery in Polk County, I think that the information on the headstone > could be wrong. There was a Thompson Kelley in Polk County in 1870. In > 1880, he was in Walker County, Texas. His wife was Mary A. Kelley in > 1870. In 1880, his wife was Ann E. Kelly. I think that Thompson Kelley > may have been confused with James Thomas Kelly on the headstone. > > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:43:35 -0600, "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > said: > > She probably is one and the same. There is a man named James Thomas > > Kelly > > listed in Governor Oates book he was a member of Co. L 15th Alabama > > Inf., > > but Oates does not mention him as his brother in law as he did James > > Benjamin Long of the same regiment. Also he said the George W. Linton > > later > > married his youngest sister, but says nothing of J. Thomas Kelly. Accept > > he > > died in Texas years after the war. Gettysburg Death Roster list a J. > > Thomas > > Kelly who was killed in Pickett's Charge of Co. E of the 13th Regt. Ala. > > Inf, but do not know if this is the one either. Company E Randolph > > Rangers > > was from Roandolph Co. not Pike. > > Le > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "W. Peebles" <[email protected]> > > To: "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > > > > > Le, > > The information I had on James Thompson Kelley and Amelia L. Kelley came > > from the Union Springs Cemetery transcription on the Polk County > > Connections Web Site: > > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~polkcountytxconnections/UnionSpring > > sCemetery.htm > > > > The dates should have been taken from headstones in the cemetery, but I > > have not been to the cemetery. I don't have any proof that Amelia L. > > Kelley is Amelia Louise Oates. > > > > You said that James T. and Amelia Kelly were on the 1860 Alabama Census. > > I have the 1860 Census Index from Family Tree Maker. It lists three > > James T. Kellys, but none of them are in Alabama. Can you confirm that > > James T. Kelly was in Alabama? > > > > William Peebles > > > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:27:44 -0600, "Le Bateman" <[email protected]> > > said: > > > I would like to have the source of the information on J. Thomas > > > Kelly > > > please. The Oates famly Bible shows he married Amelia in Alabama in > > > 1856 > > > and > > > all of their children were born here in Alabama according to the 1860 > > > census. Also Robert Krick's Gettysburg Death Roster shows a J. Thomas > > > Kelly > > > Co. E 13th Alabama Infantry. kia 3 July 1863. One of these sources > cannot > > > be > > > correct. There is a J. Thomas Kelly listed on the 1860 Alabama Census > > > with > > > wife Amelia. He > > > was the one in Co. E of the 13th Alabama. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "W. Peebles" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:09 PM > > > Subject: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > > > > > > > > Dear William > > > I would like to have the source of the information on J. Thomas > > > Kelly > > > please. The Oates famly Bible shows he married Amelia in Alabama in > > > 1856 > > > and > > > all of their children were born here in Alabama according to the 1860 > > > census. Also Robert Krick's Gettysburg Death Roster shows a J. Thomas > > > Kelly > > > Co. E 13th Alabama Infantry. kia 3 July 1863. One of these sources > cannot > > > be > > > correct. There is a J. Thomas Kelly listed on the 1860 Alabama Census > > > with > > > wife Amelia. He > > > was the one in Co. E of the 13th Alabama. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "W. Peebles" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:09 PM > > > Subject: Oates, Kelly, Ward, Hutto > > > > > > > > > Jacob, > > > You posted a query on the Polk County, Texas Board of > > > Rootsweb.com 18 Jun 1999 asking for information > > > about Catherine E. Oates, married William J. Ward. You > > > stated that she was with Henry Hutto in Polk County in > > > 1860 and that she was the daughter of William Isaiah > > > Oates and Martha Elizabeth Williams. > > > > > > Catherine Oates (1853-1935), daughter of Isaiah Oates > > > (1826-1863) and Martha E. Williams (1825-1923), was > > > the sister of my great grandmother, Elizabeth Oates > > > (1858-1940). Catherine was married to John W. Peters > > > (1850-1908) in Polk County in 1872. Catherine (Kate), > > > her husband and her mother were buried in the Mt. > > > Rose Cemetery near Livingston, Polk County: > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~polkcountytx > > > connections/MtRoseCemIndex.htm > > > > > > Henry Hutto (1826-1892) was married to Eliza Oates > > > (1824-1896), sister of Isaiah Oates and widow of > > > James Jackson Ward (1820-1843?). She had one son, > > > William J. Ward (1843?-1862) and one daughter, Ann L. > > > Ward (1845?-1880). Willilam J. Ward, Isaiah Oates and > > > Isaiah's brother, Nathan Oates all died while serving in > > > Co. K., 5th Texas Infantry, Hood's Brigade during the > > > Civil War. There is a story about the Polk County > > > descendents of the Ward family at: > > > > > > http://www.easttexasnews.com/ent_history.htm > > > > > > Ann L. Ward married in Polk County (1) William H. > > > Freeman in 1861; (2) James W. Hanner in 1868. Henry > > > Hutto, Eliza Oates Hutto and Ann L. Ward (A. L. Hannah) > > > are buried in the Oates Cemetery near Leggett, Polk > > > County: > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~polkcountytx > > > connections/OatesCem.htm > > > > > > You also asked about Amelia Louise Oates, married to > > > Thomas J. Kelly. Is it possible that she was married to > > > James Thompson Kelley? The cemetery index for the > > > Union Springs Cemetery at Corrigan, Polk County lists: > > > > > > Amelia L. Kelley 13 May 1840 - 13 Mar 1887 > > > wife of James > > > James Thompson Kelley 12 Jan 1836 - 20 May 1889 > > > Pvt. Co. H, Hood's Brig., 5 TX Inf., CSA > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~polkcountytx > > > connections/UnionSpringsCemetery.htm > > > > > > You can email me at [email protected] > > > > > > William Peebles > > > > > > -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: [AL-PIKE] James T. Kelly, 15th Alabama Infantry This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kelly, Kelley, Oates Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QU.2ADI/3864 Message Board Post: Looking for information about James T. Kelly who is listed on Muster Roll of Co. L, 15th Alabama infantry. I am trying to find out if he was the James Thomas Kelley (12 Jan 1836 - 20 May 1889) who was married to Amelia Louise Oates (13 May 1840 - 13 Mar 1887), sister of Governor William Calvin Oates. 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