Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after the war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Savvy" <savvylass@earthlink.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Le, Thanks for looking into this for me, as well. However, Joseph G. Jones couldn't be my GGG Grandfather. The Joseph Jones I am looking for was born, according to the 1850 Pike Co Census, about 1810. According to his daughter, Martha Ann Jones, he was an Indian Warrior back when Montezuma was the capital. His son, Samuel James Jones born 23 Apr 1836, had named his 1st son Joseph L. Jones who was born 19 Feb 1860. I have always assumed that my GGG Grandfather, Joseph Jones, must have died between 1850-1860. Perhaps Samuel named his 1st son after his father who recently died? Joseph Jones' other son, Isham Benjamin Jones, names his first son Joe Richard Jones who was born in 1861. At this time, the only Joseph Jones I can find who died during that time period in the area is Joseph Jones Jr., the son of Joseph Jones Sr who was born ABT 1765 in NC and died 1861 in Pike County, AL- Children of Joseph Jones Sr are: Elizabeth, Cynthia, Seaborn, Freeman, Raleigh, Anna, Joseph, Wiley, Martha Jane, Pressley, William, and Sarah Nancy Ann Jones. All of whom were born in Oglethorpe County, Georgia. I've seen a few family trees that name my Joseph Jones as the son of Joseph Jones Sr; however they have him listed as married to Penelope Pullen. Yet, they have my Joseph and Rutha's children listed as his & Penelope's. Rutha was a Simmons, not a Pullen. My GG grandmother, Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer said in a news article that her father was one of the pioneer settlers in Butler County. There is a Joe Jones listed in many records as being one of the pioneers of Butler Co. Yet, I can find nothing about him. But there is a lot of information about the other pioneers of Butler County. 2 other Pioneers of Butler County are I.R. Smith and David Simmons. I.R. Smith is my 3rd Great Grandfather. (Isaac Richard Smith) I am wondering if David Simmons was related to my Rutha Simmons... Anyway, one question I have is if my Joseph Jones was indeed a pioneer of Butler Co, could the date of birth of 1810 be wrong on the 1850 census? From what I can see, the pioneers of Butler Co were born in the 1700's. Maybe this Joe Jones was the father of my Joseph Jones. Thanks, Kim -------Original Message------- From: Le Bateman Date: 10/13/2006 11:59:22 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after The war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of An Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of This county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones Can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kim, You are so very welcome -- there are many people on here with much more expertise in Pike Co. Civil War history, but I have read that the Rough and Ready Pioneers were basically a militia unit formed prior to the call for volunteers from the governor (many of these "militia" units became companies of the 1st AL when it was mustered into the service of the Confederacy) and that their gathering place was the old Wood House -- that of Augustus Evans and Jane Pinckard Wood, who moved into town ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: alpike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a muster roll dated Nov. 1861 and found a John H. Jones, age 34? Any help? Ray rayfair@consolidated.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Savvy" <savvylass@earthlink.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames > Suzanne, > > > > Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch > to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found > the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and > Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't > a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were > familiar, so I thank you very much for that. > > > > I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being > her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. > I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either > of them on that census. > > > > Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. > > > > Isham B. Jones > > Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 > > Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. > > Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. > > > > Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined > the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. > (James D. Rainer) > > > > I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or > Feb) from Florida where he says: > > > > "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to > stay hear before his time is out" > > > > I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was > in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. > > > > And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to > get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join > it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where > there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who > switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! > > > > Again, I do appreciate your help. > > Kim > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Suzanne Pickens > > Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM > > To: alpike@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames > > > > Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family > may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early > for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the > Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered > into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. > > > > Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 > AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and > M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. > Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to > Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was > not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my > grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. > > > > Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked > and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a > little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a > number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census > records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't > counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in > the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf > as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Savvy > > To: ALPike@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM > > Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames > > > > > > I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! > > > > > > > > My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am > > Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death > > Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. > > > > I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an > > Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the > > Article, she said this about her parents. > > > > "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers > > In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha > > > Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of > > an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of > > this county." > > > > One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, > > > Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. > > > > The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: > > > > Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia > > > > Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia > > > > Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama > > > > Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama > > > > Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama > > > > Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama > > > > Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones > > can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # > > 1017, as follows: > > > > R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia > > > > I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama > > > > M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) > > > > M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia > > > > M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with > > > her are yet. > > > > I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the > > > 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with > > > her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. > > > > Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama > > > > Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama > > > > Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama > > > > I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham > > Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find > > anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his > > mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the > > late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding > > counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. > > > > I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter > > > on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming > > Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan > > Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in > > > 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin > > Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. > > > > I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make > > > a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and > > perhaps who were his wife's family. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: > > > > Rainer > > > > Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams > > > > Rambo > > > > Descendants and ancestors of James Golden > > > > Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith > > > > Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise > > Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 > > > > Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kim > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message