There is a very old Brooks grave at Perote. I think it is on top of the hill near my James Cadenhead "Soldier of 1776". I think those two markers may be sandstone. The Brooks grave is: J. P. Brooks Co. L 13th Ala Rgt. (no dates noted) That Cemetery also contains some old IVEY family graves. at the bottom of the hill near the front. Since the Cadenheads often used Ivy/Ivey in given names I have wondered if there could be a connection. Judith Busch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Bryant" <dianebry60@yahoo.com> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] PIKE surnames >I too have BROOKS, KELLY, HILL. Also BROWN, FLEMING, > Rixconnell@aol.com wrote: Pike surnames: BROOKS, CONNELL, KELLY, MIMS, > HILL >

Thomas LOWERY George LOWERY Both of their lands ended up in what is now Crenshaw Co, AL but were gone before it became Crehshaw. Johnny L Lowery LOWERY & Related Spelling DNA Project Group Administrator 903-631-5678 cell

Le, Thanks for looking into this for me, as well. However, Joseph G. Jones couldn't be my GGG Grandfather. The Joseph Jones I am looking for was born, according to the 1850 Pike Co Census, about 1810. According to his daughter, Martha Ann Jones, he was an Indian Warrior back when Montezuma was the capital. His son, Samuel James Jones born 23 Apr 1836, had named his 1st son Joseph L. Jones who was born 19 Feb 1860. I have always assumed that my GGG Grandfather, Joseph Jones, must have died between 1850-1860. Perhaps Samuel named his 1st son after his father who recently died? Joseph Jones' other son, Isham Benjamin Jones, names his first son Joe Richard Jones who was born in 1861. At this time, the only Joseph Jones I can find who died during that time period in the area is Joseph Jones Jr., the son of Joseph Jones Sr who was born ABT 1765 in NC and died 1861 in Pike County, AL- Children of Joseph Jones Sr are: Elizabeth, Cynthia, Seaborn, Freeman, Raleigh, Anna, Joseph, Wiley, Martha Jane, Pressley, William, and Sarah Nancy Ann Jones. All of whom were born in Oglethorpe County, Georgia. I've seen a few family trees that name my Joseph Jones as the son of Joseph Jones Sr; however they have him listed as married to Penelope Pullen. Yet, they have my Joseph and Rutha's children listed as his & Penelope's. Rutha was a Simmons, not a Pullen. My GG grandmother, Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer said in a news article that her father was one of the pioneer settlers in Butler County. There is a Joe Jones listed in many records as being one of the pioneers of Butler Co. Yet, I can find nothing about him. But there is a lot of information about the other pioneers of Butler County. 2 other Pioneers of Butler County are I.R. Smith and David Simmons. I.R. Smith is my 3rd Great Grandfather. (Isaac Richard Smith) I am wondering if David Simmons was related to my Rutha Simmons... Anyway, one question I have is if my Joseph Jones was indeed a pioneer of Butler Co, could the date of birth of 1810 be wrong on the 1850 census? From what I can see, the pioneers of Butler Co were born in the 1700's. Maybe this Joe Jones was the father of my Joseph Jones. Thanks, Kim -------Original Message------- From: Le Bateman Date: 10/13/2006 11:59:22 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after The war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of An Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of This county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones Can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too have BROOKS, KELLY, HILL. Also BROWN, FLEMING, Rixconnell@aol.com wrote: Pike surnames: BROOKS, CONNELL, KELLY, MIMS, HILL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

I would appreciate any info on the parents of Mary J. Kelly (Kelley) that married James Thomas Carroll Had three daughters: Della,Stella and Ethel Claudia wlgould@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello All, Researching the following Pike Surnames: Lyons; McLeod; Kelly and Kelley; Scarborough; Williford Thanks, Wanda > > From: "Betty McDougald" > Date: 2006/10/13 Fri PM 02:49:49 EDT > To: "ALPIKE-L@rootsweb.com" > Subject: [ALPIKE] Surnames > > McDougald > West > Brunson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Speaking of Darby Road, if anyone has knowledge of an Elizabeth Darby who married Joel Jefferson Adams, I'd appreciate it. Claudia creola4321@yahoo.com Le Bateman <LeBateman@att.net> wrote: If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after the war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Savvy" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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I am researching Hamlin WEST who d. in Pike County before 1838 when Abram MILES was an heir and executor of Hamlin's estate. A wife is not mentioned. Hamlin had several land patents in Pike County from 1827 to 1837. I would appreciate any information or leads regarding his parents or siblings. Claire

Peggy look for Rice and Rich's Please remember that any transcription or index is done by an individual looking at the record and writing down what they think the record states. In the census records the names were handwritten by census takers and their handwriting can be very difficult to read and transcribe by volunteers. If you are looking at a handwritten census record and transcribing it Ricks could very easily be interpreted as Richs. Any transcription is subject to the transcribers vision, expertise, do they think a letter looks like an a or an o etc. One reason why for whatever you find, try to get the original source record and confirm it for yourself. Census takers in most cases were doing a job to make an income, walking up to a house and taking names and dates, they did not require that the person filled it out for themselves so hughey could be easily converted to hewey or huey depending on how the recorder thought it sounded. Even more importantly the census taker arrived at the house to get information, no one was at home, so they asked the neighbors, while the neighbors may have some info like names, they may not specifically know actual birth dates but the census taker accepts even a guess by the neighbor. Census records are a documentable source for information but they are not infallible because of the way in which they were taken. That means today if you are researching a surname, close your eyes, say your surname, and think to yourself, how does that name sound, how could people spell it. I can say that because my maiden name is Hughey. It sounds like Huey, Hewey. I've seen it spelled over a dozen ways. I have a will of my ggggrandfather and in that one original handwritten document that name is spelled Hughey, Hewey and Huey. Those 3 spellings are in one single document, which means the recorder of that document just didn't know. Please please remember in your research to check ALL spelling possibilities or your surname. Debra Crosby -----Original Message----- From: alpike-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alpike-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy G. Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:35 AM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] Ricks/Stewart (Stuart) of Pike Co. AL Thank you so much. So quick. No Ricks but maybe I can figure out how they spelled it cause I'm sure they should be there. Peggy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: JColetx@aol.com To: alpike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] Ricks/Stewart (Stuart) of Pike Co. AL <Does anyone have an index for Pike Co., Alabama 1850 census? My familes in Pike Co Alabama RIcks & Stewarts (Stuart)>. See below. _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=0 022846292&o_lid=0022846292_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=00228462 92&o_lid=0022846292) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Pike County Heritage book is 747 pages, indexed. I think it is now in its 3rd reprinting. You can contact the Troy Public Library to inquire about purchasing a copy, if interested. 334-566-1314. The book is very nice! Each page is 8 1/2 x 11 or larger, much information and many photos. ----- Original Message ----- Outgoing mail is Virus Scanned byNorman Data Defense. Inbound Spam reduced 98.2% byVircom Sieve.

Pike surnames: BROOKS, CONNELL, KELLY, MIMS, HILL

Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, Researching the following Pike Surnames: Lyons; McLeod; Kelly and Kelley; Scarborough; Williford Thanks, Wanda > > From: "Betty McDougald" <bettym@houston.rr.com> > Date: 2006/10/13 Fri PM 02:49:49 EDT > To: "ALPIKE-L@rootsweb.com" <ALPIKE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ALPIKE] Surnames > > McDougald > West > Brunson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

He was wounded at the Battle of Fussell's Mill on the Darbytown Road outside Richmond. This is when Colonel Oates was struck by a Minnie ball which shattered the bone between his elbow and shoulder. He had to have it amputated. It spun him around with such force and he fell against a tree. Just imagine a bullet the size of a Thimble but conical and hollow. At the base of the 58 caliber ball are grooves. It would be like being struck with a modern Dumdum bullet. His brother John was struck at Gettysburg with no less than 8 of these. He lived two weeks. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@att.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Sorry that is supposed to be Joseph G. Jones. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@att.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after the war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Savvy" <savvylass@earthlink.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry that is supposed to be Joseph G. Jones. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@att.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after the war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Savvy" <savvylass@earthlink.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you are referring to Joseph GO. Jones, yes Oates lists him in his book. He was 18 years of age when he enlisted 1 Aug 1861. He was wounded on the Darby Road near Fussell's Mill 16 Aug 1864. He lived in Coffee County after the war. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Savvy" <savvylass@earthlink.net> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Suzanne, Thanks so much for trying to help me out here. The Jones' are a tough bunch to figure out, especially since there are so many Joseph Jones to be found the area. It's quite possible he did as you said and joined the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. I found a Muster Roll for Co. E and there wasn't a Joseph Jones listed, but I sure found a bunch of other names that were familiar, so I thank you very much for that. I have thought about the other woman living with Rutha Jones possibly being her sister-in-law and tried to look for her on the 1870 census to no avail. I assume Rutha and her are still together in 1870 since I can't find either of them on that census. Isham Benjamin Jones joined up with the 17th Alabama Infantry, Co. B. Isham B. Jones Enlistment Date: 1861/09/14 Remarks: Age: 21. Rank: Private. Authority: Muster in roll dated at Montgomery, 1861/09/14. Isham's brother, Samuel James Jones also enlisted. On 5/17/1862 he joined the 33rd Alabama Infantry Co "C". Their sister's husband also enlisted. (James D. Rainer) I have a letter Isham wrote to his sister in the beginning of 1862 (Jan or Feb) from Florida where he says: "Well sis unkle ben is the same old ben he has got a bout 40 more days to stay hear before his time is out" I don't know if he was in the same unit as Isham, but at least I know he was in Florida at the end of 1861 and beginning of 1862. And in another letter written about the same time, Isham says he wants to get a transfer to an artillery battalion and that Uncle Ben is going to join it. He said Uncle Ben would be up there in 7 or 8 days. (Not sure where there" means.) So I suppose I could dig deep into records and find a Ben who switched to an artillery battalion sometime in early 1862! Oh joy! HA! HA! Again, I do appreciate your help. Kim -------Original Message------- From: Suzanne Pickens Date: 10/13/2006 7:33:08 PM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames Hi, I've done more census research on other people than I have my own family may I offer some suggestions on that 1860 census -- it is a little early for the men to be off at war and the women boarding up together, but the Rough and Ready Pioneers of Pike Co. Did organize before they were mustered into Co. E of the 1st Alabama in Feb. 1861. Another explanation is a rash of deaths among the Jones men (does the 1860 AL census have death schedules?) -- E.L. Jones could be a sister-in-law and M Jones, her daughter-in-law and the mother of the two little girls. E.L. Could also be Rutha's step-mother-in-law (a second, third, or more) wife to Joseph's father. Joseph is at least 9 years younger than Rutha. Also it was not unusual for sisters to marry brothers -- 5 couples like that in my grandfather's family -- so E.L. Could be a younger sister and SIL of Rutha. Probably more brick walls, but at least lateral lines that might be checked and do you know about any of the Jones men's War service. It would be a little odd that Isham, at 20, was not with them -- though there could be a number of explanations for that. It is also just plain true that no census records are complete and if people weren't at home, they usually weren't counted and lots of people were just plain missed. My grandfather is not in the 1930 index; however, my grandmother is and low and behold there is my gf as head of household. You'd think they'd get it right by then!! HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: Savvy To: ALPike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [ALPIKE] My Pike County Surnames I will start with my BRICK WALLS...maybe I will finally get lucky. Ha! Ha! My Jones lines is most difficult and considered my brick wall. I am Referring to my 3rd great grandfather. His name on his daughter's death Certificate is "Joe Jones." Her mother, Rutha Simmons/Simons. I also have an article from the Andalusia Star dated 1931. It is an Interview done with Martha Ann (Jones) Rainer at the age if 98. In the Article, she said this about her parents. "Mrs. Rainer's father was Joseph Jones and he was one of the first settlers In this section. He was an Indian warrior ,and he and his wife who was Rutha Spent much time in the forts where the settlers would gather in the time of an Indian uprising. They did their trading at the Old Montezuma capital of this county." One can find Joseph Jones and Rutha first appearing on the 1850 Pike County, Alabama Census in house # 99, page 17. The information gathered in that 1850 census is as follows: Joseph Jones - age 40 - Male - Farmer- born in Georgia Rutha Jones - age 49 - Female - born in Georgia Susan Jones - age 16 - Female - born in Alabama Samuel Jones - age 14 - Male - born in Alabama Isham - Jones - age 11 - Male - born in Alabama Malissa Jones - age 7 - Female - born in Alabama Joseph Jones can't be found on any census after that. However, Rutha Jones can be found on the 1860 Butler County Alabama census, Precinct 5, House # 1017, as follows: R. Jones- age 60 - Female - Born in Georgia I.B. Jones - age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama M. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama (wife of I.B. Jones) M.L. Jones - age 16 - Female - Born in Alabama E.L. Jones - age 50 - Female - Born in Georgia M. Jones - age 30 - Female - Born in Alabama M.L. Jones - Age 9 - Female - Born in Alabama L. Jones - Age 2 - Female - Born in Alabama I have not yet figured out who the "E.L. Jones" and the children living with her are yet. I can't find Rutha on the 1870 Census anywhere, but she appears again on the 1880 Butler, South Butler, Alabama Census District 42, House #88 living with her daughter, Martha Rainer, and grand children. Martha Rainer - Age 48 - Female - Born in Alabama James Rainer - Age 22 - Male - Born in Alabama Robert Rainer - Age 20 - Male - Born in Alabama Herretta (?) Rainer - Age 17 - Female - Born in Alabama Lanler (?) Rainer - Age 11 - Female - Born in Alabama Rutha Jones - Age 80 - Female - Born in Alabama I have some good information on 3 of Joseph & Rutha Jones' children, Isham Benjamin Jones, Samuel James Jones, and Martha Ann Jones. But I can't find anything on Malissa or Susan. Per old family letters from Isham to his mother and sister, Martha, I know that Susan is still alive well into the late 1870's and still living in the Butler County area, or surrounding counties. There is no mention of Malissa in these letters. I have a receipt dated 1866 for $300 paid to a James Golden by a Joel Carter on behalf of Susan Williams, Martha Rainer and Malisey Jones. I am assuming Susan and Malisey are Martha's sisters. If that is the case, then Susan Jones married a "Williams." In another letter from a G.W. Simmons written in 1866 from Prattville, Alabama to "his aunt" he also mentions his "cousin Malisey." He also mentions Gracey, Betty and Mary. I am hoping someone will recognize some of these names and will help me make a connection to which Jones family my 3rd great grandfather is from and perhaps who were his wife's family. Any help is appreciated. Other surnames I am researching from Pike & surrounding counties: Rainer Descendants or ancestors of Richard Williams Rambo Descendants and ancestors of James Golden Descendants or ancestors of Isaac Richard Smith or Henry C. Smith Descendants or ancestors of Henry Frances Caine who married Martha Louise Ludie" Rainer 23 Dec 1886 Descendants and ancestors of James Shadrack Williamson Thanks, Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<Does anyone have an index for Pike Co., Alabama 1850 census? My familes in Pike Co Alabama RIcks & Stewarts (Stuart)>. See below. _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=0 022846292&o_lid=0022846292_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=0022846292&o_lid=0022846292)

Thanks, just what I am doing. LOL I've tried every way I can think. Just dont' see them. Maybe one day. Thanks again. Peggy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Debra Crosby To: alpike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] Ricks/Stewart (Stuart) of Pike Co. AL Peggy look for Rice and Rich's Please remember that any transcription or index is done by an individual looking at the record and writing down what they think the record states. In the census records the names were handwritten by census takers and their handwriting can be very difficult to read and transcribe by volunteers. If you are looking at a handwritten census record and transcribing it Ricks could very easily be interpreted as Richs. Any transcription is subject to the transcribers vision, expertise, do they think a letter looks like an a or an o etc. One reason why for whatever you find, try to get the original source record and confirm it for yourself. Census takers in most cases were doing a job to make an income, walking up to a house and taking names and dates, they did not require that the person filled it out for themselves so hughey could be easily converted to hewey or huey depending on how the recorder thought it sounded. Even more importantly the census taker arrived at the house to get information, no one was at home, so they asked the neighbors, while the neighbors may have some info like names, they may not specifically know actual birth dates but the census taker accepts even a guess by the neighbor. Census records are a documentable source for information but they are not infallible because of the way in which they were taken. That means today if you are researching a surname, close your eyes, say your surname, and think to yourself, how does that name sound, how could people spell it. I can say that because my maiden name is Hughey. It sounds like Huey, Hewey. I've seen it spelled over a dozen ways. I have a will of my ggggrandfather and in that one original handwritten document that name is spelled Hughey, Hewey and Huey. Those 3 spellings are in one single document, which means the recorder of that document just didn't know. Please please remember in your research to check ALL spelling possibilities or your surname. Debra Crosby -----Original Message----- From: alpike-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:alpike-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy G. Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:35 AM To: alpike@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] Ricks/Stewart (Stuart) of Pike Co. AL Thank you so much. So quick. No Ricks but maybe I can figure out how they spelled it cause I'm sure they should be there. Peggy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: JColetx@aol.com To: alpike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] Ricks/Stewart (Stuart) of Pike Co. AL <Does anyone have an index for Pike Co., Alabama 1850 census? My familes in Pike Co Alabama RIcks & Stewarts (Stuart)>. See below. _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=0 022846292&o_lid=0022846292_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=00228462 92&o_lid=0022846292) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much. So quick. No Ricks but maybe I can figure out how they spelled it cause I'm sure they should be there. Peggy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: JColetx@aol.com To: alpike@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] Ricks/Stewart (Stuart) of Pike Co. AL <Does anyone have an index for Pike Co., Alabama 1850 census? My familes in Pike Co Alabama RIcks & Stewarts (Stuart)>. See below. _http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=0 022846292&o_lid=0022846292_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/al/pike/census/1850/indx1850.txt?o_xid=0022846292&o_lid=0022846292) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello claudia: how would I access this pike county heritage book you mentioned in your e-mail? my name is gerald boswell and I was born in pike county in 1936 near saco, alabama. there used to be a small town named boswell, alabama, but it is no longer there. we tried to find it a couple of years back. the railroad used to run through it and at one time it was called omega, I believe. thanks for any info you can supply. Gerald Boswell Phone: 269-288-2689 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudia Adams" <creola4321@yahoo.com> To: <alpike@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [ALPIKE] surnames of Pike Co. area There are Boswell surnames in the Pike Co., Al Heritage Book. Have you seen one of those? Linda Jenkins <ronjenk@flash.net> wrote: The list is working just fine, we simply do not have anyone posting at the moment. Perhaps this is a good time for people to post reminders of the surnames they are researching. Hi, I'm researching the names BOSWELL, TERRY, JENKINS, STROM (STRUM) from Pike and Bullock County area. Thanks. Linda TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALPIKE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 10/13/2006

Does anyone have an index for Pike Co., Alabama 1850 census? My familes in Pike Co Alabama RIcks & Stewarts (Stuart). William Simpson Rick b June 17 1811 SC married abt 1830 SC Malinda Childers b Nov 24 1813 SC. Several of their children were married in Pike Co., Al between the years of 1854-1865. Silas Abraham Ricks m Martha Ann Norsworthy Dec 7 1854 Pike Co., Alabama Mary Margaret Ricks m Robert W. Stewart Oct 24 1852 Pike Co., Alabama William Jasper Ricks m Nancy Rozetta Mathews Aug 8 1865 Pike Co., Alabama Some of the family was in Sabine Parish, LA by 1859. The rest followed shortly afterward. I have found the Robert W. Stewart (Stuart) and his parents and siblings in Pike in 1850 but I can't find any of the RIcks there. Thanks in advance. Peggy G.