Well said. By the heritage book being wrote, at least now people know that our family members where alive at one time. If we were perfect, there would be no need for a book. With out leads some of us would be lost. Some facts are true in a article along with untrue. My husband had a uncle "that said" the family came from GA GG-grandpa on his mothers side. Yet the census said he was born in AL. I don't know which is correct. But it is still something to go on. I need to find him in more census to learn the truth. His first name was John and his last name is a common one, you know like Smith but not Smith. Finding him, is next to impossible. He also had a GG-grandpa on his fathers side, that said in a News Paper article that he was born in NC. On his oath of allegiance it said Gwinnett, GA. So now those are both legal document. So which is right. He also gave his age on different documents different ages. Now, the man himself gave these facts. If he don't know than who would know. This man was a Doctor who went to College. Don't you think he was smart enough to count. I do. So why...... His name was a problem also. We know him as George Riley, On his Physician. exam he used William R. Didn't he know his name, or was all three of them his first and second name. Which leads me to think was his death cert. right. Was his fathers name William or not. Don't mean to make anyone mad, but even the legal recorders are misleading, so how can we be right. Thanks for listening Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <HudsonK@aol.com> To: <> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: Morgan Co., AL Heritage book > The "Heritage" books of any county is donated family histories submitted from > other researchers. The society does not question the submitters info..but > only cks for typos etc. Can you imagine the hours spent just looking for > typos on the Morgan Co Heritage book??!! I have been doing my personal > research 20 yrs..and oh my for them to have to go back and do my research to > be sure I was accurate...we would never get the publication. I am a stickler > for documentation but many are not. You will find many people use what they > find on the internet as "their genealogy" and never step foot or mail a > letter to a court house etc. Some will use info they received in snail mail > and never document it. Or they take "handed down" family info and never > document it. Goodness my mother in our family Bible wrote she and my dad was > married Oct 16, 1946 but when I mailed for the document it came back Dec 23, > 1948. As far as documentation of cemetery markers, death and birth > certificates..I find the most accurate is the birth. The parents are giving > the vital info but death certificates..the info can come from anyone and it > doesn't mean their memory is accurate or have accurate knowledge...my uncle > gave info for his mother..he listed her mother as Ora Irene Cusick..her > sister married a Cusick and they were close to the family but her name was > Ora Irene Dennis. Cemetery markers many times were placed years later and > possibly by a descendant who thought they remembered the accurate dates. But > genealogist know these are guidelines to give us clues to further our > research. The Heritage book is another source to help further our research > and just as the Morgan Co website..it is your responsibility to make contact > with the submitter to find out what source they are using for their > documentation. When the Heritage book was taking this info from > individuals..if you wanted a photo included you were charged "photo fees". > Again there were many on the committee..so there would have to be a lot of > cross referencing and going thru each photo to see if there was duplicates > and then determine whose photo was to be used and whose money was to be > reimbursed..this would be the reason for duplicate photos in the book. As > large as the Heritage book is I commend and thank all those on the committee > for all their long hours and hard efforts to get such a wonderful tool > published!! > > Kathy > Genealogy without documentation is mythology! > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > For your email to go thru the Morgan Co., AL mail list you must be subscribed. To subscribe send your email to: ALMORGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for the diget mode replace the L with D) In your subject line type: Subscribe (type: Unsubscribe if you wish to get off the list) To send your query to the list, whether you are on the mail mode or the digest mode send it to: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > >

AMEN on the "commend and thank all those on the committee for all their long hours and hard efforts to get such a wonderful tool published!!". NOT an easy task. ----- Original Message ----- From: <HudsonK@aol.com> To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: Morgan Co., AL Heritage book > The "Heritage" books of any county is donated family histories submitted from > other researchers. The society does not question the submitters info..but > only cks for typos etc. Can you imagine the hours spent just looking for > typos on the Morgan Co Heritage book??!! I have been doing my personal > research 20 yrs..and oh my for them to have to go back and do my research to > be sure I was accurate...we would never get the publication. I am a stickler > for documentation but many are not. You will find many people use what they > find on the internet as "their genealogy" and never step foot or mail a > letter to a court house etc. Some will use info they received in snail mail > and never document it. Or they take "handed down" family info and never > document it. Goodness my mother in our family Bible wrote she and my dad was > married Oct 16, 1946 but when I mailed for the document it came back Dec 23, > 1948. As far as documentation of cemetery markers, death and birth > certificates..I find the most accurate is the birth. The parents are giving > the vital info but death certificates..the info can come from anyone and it > doesn't mean their memory is accurate or have accurate knowledge...my uncle > gave info for his mother..he listed her mother as Ora Irene Cusick..her > sister married a Cusick and they were close to the family but her name was > Ora Irene Dennis. Cemetery markers many times were placed years later and > possibly by a descendant who thought they remembered the accurate dates. But > genealogist know these are guidelines to give us clues to further our > research. The Heritage book is another source to help further our research > and just as the Morgan Co website..it is your responsibility to make contact > with the submitter to find out what source they are using for their > documentation. When the Heritage book was taking this info from > individuals..if you wanted a photo included you were charged "photo fees". > Again there were many on the committee..so there would have to be a lot of > cross referencing and going thru each photo to see if there was duplicates > and then determine whose photo was to be used and whose money was to be > reimbursed..this would be the reason for duplicate photos in the book. As > large as the Heritage book is I commend and thank all those on the committee > for all their long hours and hard efforts to get such a wonderful tool > published!! > > Kathy > Genealogy without documentation is mythology! > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > For your email to go thru the Morgan Co., AL mail list you must be subscribed. To subscribe send your email to: ALMORGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for the diget mode replace the L with D) In your subject line type: Subscribe (type: Unsubscribe if you wish to get off the list) To send your query to the list, whether you are on the mail mode or the digest mode send it to: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > >

Not to belabor the point, but one example that I found almost comical, was a family submitted by both sides of the family, across the page from each (for those of you that have a copy, pages 260 and 261). The same photograph was on both pages. This, of course, was in my line! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com>; "pblack" <pblack@dancris.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > Agreed. And as there are in most books. :o) I've noted that this book, in > particular, sometimes has several "versions" of research by several > different folks -- probably when there was conflict, or difference of > opinion. Then there is the possibility that from collection to print to > distribution, which usually is quite a long period of time, new facts have > been found. In my research I've found tombstones that don't match church > records, distributed family charts that have my own name/birthdate wrong, > books with conflicting information between their covers, books with children > connected to the wrong parents, etc., etc., etc. I guess we're all human. > Not to mention that some folks seem to tend to think that if they see it in > print, on the web, or "my daddy always said" (ie., my Dad was quite the tale > teller), it must be fact. Others don't seem to really care, I don't think. > Not everyone is a "serious" ancestral researcher. At least books such as > this one give some of us somewhere to start to make connections to > document/prove our ancestry. I'm sure that my own databases, numbering > somewhere around 75,000 family members have errors... in spite of the fact > that I try very hard to avoid them. I'm fairly confident that the Morgan > Co. Heritage Book Committee did too! > > Tricia Roberts Hall > Greenville/Spartanburg, SC > __________________________________ > He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends > Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pblack" <pblack@dancris.com> > To: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net>; <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > > > Please be aware that there are some errors in family lines in this book. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > > To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > > > > > > When I said that, I was refering to The Heritage of Morgan County, > > Alabama, > > > ISBN 1-891647-19-9, printed in 1998 as I wasn't certain that there > hadn't > > > been previous publishings in the past. However, now that I look, I see > > the > > > "Limited First Edition" notation in it. Sorry if I confused anyone. > > > Tricia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Martha2" <Martha2@hiwaay.net> > > > To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:18 AM > > > Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > > > > > > > > > > Tricia, > > > > > > > > When you say recent Morgan Co. Hertiage book, are you refering to the > > > Heritage of > > > > Morgan County, Alabama book or is there another book out with the name > > you > > > give.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] epidemic doctors > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:27 -0400 > > > > > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > > > > > To: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Ditto the praise to Troy. There is a list of some of the doctors > that > > > died > > > > > in the 1888 yellow fever scurge in articles on pgs. 58-59 in the > > recent > > > > > Morgan Co. Heritage book. This information was researched and > > provided > > > by > > > > > the same Ivydene Simpson Walls of Hartselle that Troy mentioned. > > Those > > > > > articles state that five doctors died, several of whom had survived > > the > > > 1878 > > > > > epidemic: > > > > > > > > > > Dr. R. C. Bowman, died 9/21/1888, > > > > > Dr. W. B. Black, died 10/2/1888, > > > > > Dr. William Gardner Gill, died 10/6/1888, > > > > > Dr. R. V. Williams, died 10/8/1888, and > > > > > Dr. W. J. Young who died 10/30/1888. > > > > > > > > > > I was a little surprised to read in her article that only 35 of the > > 110 > > > > > people contracting the disease between September 3 and November 3, > > 1888 > > > had > > > > > died, as in my asundry family collection it seems that there were > > *many* > > > > > multiple deaths during that time. At the same time, life was > > difficult, > > > at > > > > > best, back then... and death seemed to visit more often. > > > > > > > > > > Hope someone finds this interesting. > > > > > Tricia Roberts Hall > > > > > Greenville/Spartanburg, SC > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate > > Friends > > > > > Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > > > > Genealogy without documentation is mythology... > > > > A researcher gathers information... > > > > A genealogist gathers documentation... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--part1_b8.85bf437.269eb647_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_b8.85bf437.269eb647_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-st03.mail.aol.com (rly-st03.mail.aol.com [172.31.34.2]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:38:56 -0400 Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by rly-st03.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id BAA23671 for <hudsonk@aol.com>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:33:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6D5XES15742 for ALMORGAN-admin@lists6.rootsweb.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:33:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:33:14 -0700 X-From_: nott@intellex.com Wed Jul 12 22:33:13 2000 Received: from newmail.rootsweb.com (newmail.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.103]) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D5XDM15614 for <ALMORGAN-L@lists6.rootsweb.com>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:33:13 -0700 Received: from ares.intellex.com (mail.intellex.com [205.186.137.5]) by newmail.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D5XCn27511 for <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:33:12 -0700 Received: from default (tahl187.intellex.com [206.214.205.187]) by ares.intellex.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6D5ii475971 for <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005b01bfec8a$9f6b13e0$bbcdd6ce@default> From: "Sharon" <nott@intellex.com> To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> References: <001701bfec7d$a2ed6fc0$a664aad0@14> Old-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: Morgan Co., AL Heritage book X-Envelope-To: ALMORGAN-L A great help in solving some of these mysteries is a US map of state boundaries at various times in history. Some parts of one state later became part of another state. Also census workers often took the word of neighbors or small children about families when they couldn't catch them at home. Think about it. Would your neighbors know where your father and mother were born? Would your young children even know? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Ballenger <dorothy@linkfast.net> To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: Fw: [ALMORGAN] Re: Morgan Co., AL Heritage book Well said. By the heritage book being wrote, at least now people know that our family members where alive at one time. If we were perfect, there would be no need for a book. With out leads some of us would be lost. Some facts are true in a article along with untrue. My husband had a uncle "that said" the family came from GA GG-grandpa on his mothers side. Yet the census said he was born in AL. I don't know which is correct. But it is still something to go on. I need to find him in more census to learn the truth. His first name was John and his last name is a common one, you know like Smith but not Smith. Finding him, is next to impossible. He also had a GG-grandpa on his fathers side, that said in a News Paper article that he was born in NC. On his oath of allegiance it said Gwinnett, GA. So now those are both legal document. So which is right. He also gave his age on different documents different ages. Now, the man himself gave these facts. If he don't know than who would know. This man was a Doctor who went to College. Don't you think he was smart enough to count. I do. So why...... His name was a problem also. We know him as George Riley, On his Physician. exam he used William R. Didn't he know his name, or was all three of them his first and second name. Which leads me to think was his death cert. right. Was his fathers name William or not. Don't mean to make anyone mad, but even the legal recorders are misleading, so how can we be right. Thanks for listening Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <HudsonK@aol.com> To: <> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: Morgan Co., AL Heritage book > The "Heritage" books of any county is donated family histories submitted from > other researchers. The society does not question the submitters info..but > only cks for typos etc. Can you imagine the hours spent just looking for > typos on the Morgan Co Heritage book??!! I have been doing my personal > research 20 yrs..and oh my for them to have to go back and do my research to > be sure I was accurate...we would never get the publication. I am a stickler > for documentation but many are not. You will find many people use what they > find on the internet as "their genealogy" and never step foot or mail a > letter to a court house etc. Some will use info they received in snail mail > and never document it. Or they take "handed down" family info and never > document it. Goodness my mother in our family Bible wrote she and my dad was > married Oct 16, 1946 but when I mailed for the document it came back Dec 23, > 1948. As far as documentation of cemetery markers, death and birth > certificates..I find the most accurate is the birth. The parents are giving > the vital info but death certificates..the info can come from anyone and it > doesn't mean their memory is accurate or have accurate knowledge...my uncle > gave info for his mother..he listed her mother as Ora Irene Cusick..her > sister married a Cusick and they were close to the family but her name was > Ora Irene Dennis. Cemetery markers many times were placed years later and > possibly by a descendant who thought they remembered the accurate dates. But > genealogist know these are guidelines to give us clues to further our > research. The Heritage book is another source to help further our research > and just as the Morgan Co website..it is your responsibility to make contact > with the submitter to find out what source they are using for their > documentation. When the Heritage book was taking this info from > individuals..if you wanted a photo included you were charged "photo fees". > Again there were many on the committee..so there would have to be a lot of > cross referencing and going thru each photo to see if there was duplicates > and then determine whose photo was to be used and whose money was to be > reimbursed..this would be the reason for duplicate photos in the book. As > large as the Heritage book is I commend and thank all those on the committee > for all their long hours and hard efforts to get such a wonderful tool > published!! > > Kathy > Genealogy without documentation is mythology! > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > For your email to go thru the Morgan Co., AL mail list you must be subscribed. To subscribe send your email to: ALMORGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for the diget mode replace the L with D) In your subject line type: Subscribe (type: Unsubscribe if you wish to get off the list) To send your query to the list, whether you are on the mail mode or the digest mode send it to: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== For your email to go thru the Morgan Co., AL mail list you must be subscribed. To subscribe send your email to: ALMORGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for the diget mode replace the L with D) In your subject line type: Subscribe (type: Unsubscribe if you wish to get off the list) To send your query to the list, whether you are on the mail mode or the digest mode send it to: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com --part1_b8.85bf437.269eb647_boundary--

--part1_31.77564c0.269eafad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Tricai I hope you don't mind I forwarded this on to the list since you meant for it to go there Kathy) --part1_31.77564c0.269eafad_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <tntricia@bellsouth.net> Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh03.mail.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:30:42 -0400 Received: from mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (mail0.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.12]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:30:21 -0400 Received: from baglady (host-209-214-201-227.gsp.bellsouth.net [209.214.201.227]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id BAA18371 for <HudsonK@aol.com>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01a401bfec8c$ec9927e0$e3c9d6d1@baglady> From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> To: <HudsonK@aol.com> References: <bf.503182f.269ea647@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: Genealogical Sources Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:40:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 And... may I add to Kathy's comment... those recordings later can be wonderful things. My sister did that with my Dad, in particular, who later died. We now have tapes that I can add to our family tree, with pictures and "voice" (including his crazy laugh), that I can burn into CDs for future generations to read, see and hear. Kathy's email made several "tip" kind of things come to mind.... so I thought I'd share them: Dorothy made the comment in her email .... "said in a News Paper article that he was born in NC. On his oath of allegiance it said Gwinnett, GA.". Well, when I first started ancestry not so long ago, based on the migration patterns I saw, I decided that my forefathers kept their kids and belongings loaded on a wagon so that as soon as they got the land cleared, the cabin built and the crops planted that they could move on to the next spot to clear the land, build a cabin and plant more crops! Seriously, I thought we must have been 'early settler vagabonds'! Then one day, while looking for my maternal grandfather... I found some old maps. I really started studying them only to finally discover that my relatives may not have moved at all! What had been Virginia became North Carolina became Tennessee became God only knows how many counties of Tennessee, and so on over a relatively short period of time. So... my dear Dorothy (and anyone else listening)... did you know that North Carolina at one time went as far west as the Mississippi and as far south as below the now Greenville County, S.C.? I understand that at one time it may have gone south all the way to Charleston (the Atlantic), which may well have encompassed what is now GA, depending on when this occurred. North and South Carolina were once upon a time 'The Carolinas', as in one. There often are historical maps on state genweb sites, abeit sometimes hidden, or most likely library historical areas either have them or can obtain them (books), on loan. You may wish to consider that. County names now are not usually what they were back a few years ago, nor a few before that... nor are the boundaries the same. Maps help a great deal! Further... when you find census records with varying information, it may be that the census taker didn't actually talk to your gg grandfather (who was busy delivering a baby or sewing up a cut), but got his information from your gg grandmother, the youngest kid if she was busy, the neighbor lady if she was gone, or if he was local, already had it partly filled in since he knew him and everything about him anyway, or gg grandfather/mother weren't comfortable about all the questions and didn't worry about being real accurate. Many folks supposedly were leery of the census takers and their questions back then. Not that we EVER are in our modern age!! :: blink :: Your ancestor probably knew *exactly* who he was and what was going on. (I don't think they really cared a lot about "age" back then either as we do now.) Hope that this helps someone a little... and that I haven't mis-spoken myself at all. :: grin :: Tricia Roberts Hall Greenville/Spartanburg, SC __________________________________ He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 --part1_31.77564c0.269eafad_boundary--

Glenda made an excellent point which I overlooked..<<I don't throw info out>> NEVER disregard something a relative may make statement just because you have documents disproving the statement. Especially the elderly...they may have the date, name or place wrong and it may be 10 yrs before you find the connection. But there is something to what they are telling you..it is you that has to find the connection and the more accurate story. So don't throw those notes away. Of course I learned when I began genealogy...I don't write notes..I can't read my own writing much less other people read it<GR>..but I always took a small recorder..later a camcorder..I would ask permission to tape the conversations..this way I can go back and replay and listen for things I may have overlooked and it was straight from "the horses mouth" so to speak. Kathy

--part1_b0.7c760d1.269e9ee5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_b0.7c760d1.269e9ee5_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <DIZZY24322@aol.com> From: DIZZY24322@aol.com Full-name: DIZZY24322 Message-ID: <aa.7b687a6.269e9d7f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:20:15 EDT Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: Morgan Co., AL Heritage book To: Kinklector@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Kathy, I'm the one who wants the truth,I do have documentation on my family for what can be proven,but for some,until I find something that I can prove it,I keep looking until it's found. I'm one who didn't know alot of the family,I had to go on whatever I picked up,but some were guesses,but you know,my guesses paid off. I still have alot to go,but I do try to find the resource to check out to see if true or not. However,some of the family and I have had disagreements,but up until you can prove me wrong,the death record that I have says this,or a census record shows this,I do look for proof even though I know some don't,but that is where evrybody needs to check their resources. When I first started,I knew nothing about tracing family history info,but I had a wonderful cousin who had been into it for years to tell me,a good researcher will document where they got the info,have proof if so or not.I don't throw info out,if I had sometime ago,I would not be as far as I am now.A person needs to look,listen and learn...the 3 L's! Glenda --part1_b0.7c760d1.269e9ee5_boundary--

I apologize..I should have also included in my prior email..I was not criticizing or attacking any comments made by anyone on the list..nor would I do directly on the list. I was trying to help those new to genealogy, new to the list, and those that were not aware of the Heritage book to understand where the info may have come or how it appeared in the book. Also problems many of us "seasoned" genealogist have come up against in our research. So please if anyone took offense this was not my intent so please accept my apologies for not making my comments clear. Keep up the excellent queries and comments. Kathy

OH!!! I wasn't talking about this book (haven't seen it yet), I was just talking in general terms! Any book is a good thing....errors and all! Cheri M. A teacher

In a message dated 7/12/2000 8:32:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HudsonK@aol.com writes: << I am a stickler for documentation but many are not. You will find many people use what they find on the internet as "their genealogy" and never step foot or mail a letter to a court house etc. Some will use info they received in snail mail and never document it. Or they take "handed down" family info and never document it. >> Kathy, True, true, true!!! The same goes for stuff in the IGI and Ancestor File. Those that submit the info may not use references, or double check things (one of my greats said he was born in 1885, 86, 87, and 89. Good think I didn't believe the first one I saw!) As for verifying others....YES, this needs to be done. I was given a chart that another one of my greats made in the 1950's. He died when I was 3, so I have no memory of him. But I have the pedigree chart he made. I started verifying it. I cannot verify what he states as his great-gpa. I think I know where he got the info, but he didn't get 2 sources (which is what you do when you don't have a primary source). His source was incorrect (we have so many more records available now than in the 1950's). Yet, I can verify the info past that fella and the cousins on the side. It all checks out except that one link. On another line, some family researcher had my 3G g-ma's uncle listed as her father. That was repeated over and over by others in the family who didn't verify the research. That went on for 30 years. If I would have believed it, I would have been barking up the wrong tree! LOL So double check everything! And when you're done doing that, go back and look at it again in a few years! I'm human, I've errored or just overlooked things. Cheri M. Torrance, CA

The "Heritage" books of any county is donated family histories submitted from other researchers. The society does not question the submitters info..but only cks for typos etc. Can you imagine the hours spent just looking for typos on the Morgan Co Heritage book??!! I have been doing my personal research 20 yrs..and oh my for them to have to go back and do my research to be sure I was accurate...we would never get the publication. I am a stickler for documentation but many are not. You will find many people use what they find on the internet as "their genealogy" and never step foot or mail a letter to a court house etc. Some will use info they received in snail mail and never document it. Or they take "handed down" family info and never document it. Goodness my mother in our family Bible wrote she and my dad was married Oct 16, 1946 but when I mailed for the document it came back Dec 23, 1948. As far as documentation of cemetery markers, death and birth certificates..I find the most accurate is the birth. The parents are giving the vital info but death certificates..the info can come from anyone and it doesn't mean their memory is accurate or have accurate knowledge...my uncle gave info for his mother..he listed her mother as Ora Irene Cusick..her sister married a Cusick and they were close to the family but her name was Ora Irene Dennis. Cemetery markers many times were placed years later and possibly by a descendant who thought they remembered the accurate dates. But genealogist know these are guidelines to give us clues to further our research. The Heritage book is another source to help further our research and just as the Morgan Co website..it is your responsibility to make contact with the submitter to find out what source they are using for their documentation. When the Heritage book was taking this info from individuals..if you wanted a photo included you were charged "photo fees". Again there were many on the committee..so there would have to be a lot of cross referencing and going thru each photo to see if there was duplicates and then determine whose photo was to be used and whose money was to be reimbursed..this would be the reason for duplicate photos in the book. As large as the Heritage book is I commend and thank all those on the committee for all their long hours and hard efforts to get such a wonderful tool published!! Kathy Genealogy without documentation is mythology!

Agreed. And as there are in most books. :o) I've noted that this book, in particular, sometimes has several "versions" of research by several different folks -- probably when there was conflict, or difference of opinion. Then there is the possibility that from collection to print to distribution, which usually is quite a long period of time, new facts have been found. In my research I've found tombstones that don't match church records, distributed family charts that have my own name/birthdate wrong, books with conflicting information between their covers, books with children connected to the wrong parents, etc., etc., etc. I guess we're all human. Not to mention that some folks seem to tend to think that if they see it in print, on the web, or "my daddy always said" (ie., my Dad was quite the tale teller), it must be fact. Others don't seem to really care, I don't think. Not everyone is a "serious" ancestral researcher. At least books such as this one give some of us somewhere to start to make connections to document/prove our ancestry. I'm sure that my own databases, numbering somewhere around 75,000 family members have errors... in spite of the fact that I try very hard to avoid them. I'm fairly confident that the Morgan Co. Heritage Book Committee did too! Tricia Roberts Hall Greenville/Spartanburg, SC __________________________________ He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 ----- Original Message ----- From: "pblack" <pblack@dancris.com> To: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net>; <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > Please be aware that there are some errors in family lines in this book. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:50 AM > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > > > When I said that, I was refering to The Heritage of Morgan County, > Alabama, > > ISBN 1-891647-19-9, printed in 1998 as I wasn't certain that there hadn't > > been previous publishings in the past. However, now that I look, I see > the > > "Limited First Edition" notation in it. Sorry if I confused anyone. > > Tricia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martha2" <Martha2@hiwaay.net> > > To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:18 AM > > Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > > > > > > > Tricia, > > > > > > When you say recent Morgan Co. Hertiage book, are you refering to the > > Heritage of > > > Morgan County, Alabama book or is there another book out with the name > you > > give.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] epidemic doctors > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:27 -0400 > > > > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > > > > To: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Ditto the praise to Troy. There is a list of some of the doctors that > > died > > > > in the 1888 yellow fever scurge in articles on pgs. 58-59 in the > recent > > > > Morgan Co. Heritage book. This information was researched and > provided > > by > > > > the same Ivydene Simpson Walls of Hartselle that Troy mentioned. > Those > > > > articles state that five doctors died, several of whom had survived > the > > 1878 > > > > epidemic: > > > > > > > > Dr. R. C. Bowman, died 9/21/1888, > > > > Dr. W. B. Black, died 10/2/1888, > > > > Dr. William Gardner Gill, died 10/6/1888, > > > > Dr. R. V. Williams, died 10/8/1888, and > > > > Dr. W. J. Young who died 10/30/1888. > > > > > > > > I was a little surprised to read in her article that only 35 of the > 110 > > > > people contracting the disease between September 3 and November 3, > 1888 > > had > > > > died, as in my asundry family collection it seems that there were > *many* > > > > multiple deaths during that time. At the same time, life was > difficult, > > at > > > > best, back then... and death seemed to visit more often. > > > > > > > > Hope someone finds this interesting. > > > > Tricia Roberts Hall > > > > Greenville/Spartanburg, SC > > > > __________________________________ > > > > He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate > Friends > > > > Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 > > > > > > > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > > > Genealogy without documentation is mythology... > > > A researcher gathers information... > > > A genealogist gathers documentation... > > > > > > > > > >

Please be aware that there are some errors in family lines in this book. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > When I said that, I was refering to The Heritage of Morgan County, Alabama, > ISBN 1-891647-19-9, printed in 1998 as I wasn't certain that there hadn't > been previous publishings in the past. However, now that I look, I see the > "Limited First Edition" notation in it. Sorry if I confused anyone. > Tricia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martha2" <Martha2@hiwaay.net> > To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:18 AM > Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > > > > Tricia, > > > > When you say recent Morgan Co. Hertiage book, are you refering to the > Heritage of > > Morgan County, Alabama book or is there another book out with the name you > give.? > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] epidemic doctors > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:27 -0400 > > > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > > > To: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Ditto the praise to Troy. There is a list of some of the doctors that > died > > > in the 1888 yellow fever scurge in articles on pgs. 58-59 in the recent > > > Morgan Co. Heritage book. This information was researched and provided > by > > > the same Ivydene Simpson Walls of Hartselle that Troy mentioned. Those > > > articles state that five doctors died, several of whom had survived the > 1878 > > > epidemic: > > > > > > Dr. R. C. Bowman, died 9/21/1888, > > > Dr. W. B. Black, died 10/2/1888, > > > Dr. William Gardner Gill, died 10/6/1888, > > > Dr. R. V. Williams, died 10/8/1888, and > > > Dr. W. J. Young who died 10/30/1888. > > > > > > I was a little surprised to read in her article that only 35 of the 110 > > > people contracting the disease between September 3 and November 3, 1888 > had > > > died, as in my asundry family collection it seems that there were *many* > > > multiple deaths during that time. At the same time, life was difficult, > at > > > best, back then... and death seemed to visit more often. > > > > > > Hope someone finds this interesting. > > > Tricia Roberts Hall > > > Greenville/Spartanburg, SC > > > __________________________________ > > > He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends > > > Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 > > > > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > > Genealogy without documentation is mythology... > > A researcher gathers information... > > A genealogist gathers documentation... > > > > >

Speaking of accuracy, it is important that your source titles are correct. So if you are referring to the Heritage of Morgan County, Alabama book; please refer to it as that rather than the Morgan Co. Heritage book or some other title. Thanks.

When I said that, I was refering to The Heritage of Morgan County, Alabama, ISBN 1-891647-19-9, printed in 1998 as I wasn't certain that there hadn't been previous publishings in the past. However, now that I look, I see the "Limited First Edition" notation in it. Sorry if I confused anyone. Tricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha2" <Martha2@hiwaay.net> To: <ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: [ALMORGAN] Re: ALMORGAN-D Digest V00 #68 > > Tricia, > > When you say recent Morgan Co. Hertiage book, are you refering to the Heritage of > Morgan County, Alabama book or is there another book out with the name you give.? > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] epidemic doctors > > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:27 -0400 > > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > > To: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Ditto the praise to Troy. There is a list of some of the doctors that died > > in the 1888 yellow fever scurge in articles on pgs. 58-59 in the recent > > Morgan Co. Heritage book. This information was researched and provided by > > the same Ivydene Simpson Walls of Hartselle that Troy mentioned. Those > > articles state that five doctors died, several of whom had survived the 1878 > > epidemic: > > > > Dr. R. C. Bowman, died 9/21/1888, > > Dr. W. B. Black, died 10/2/1888, > > Dr. William Gardner Gill, died 10/6/1888, > > Dr. R. V. Williams, died 10/8/1888, and > > Dr. W. J. Young who died 10/30/1888. > > > > I was a little surprised to read in her article that only 35 of the 110 > > people contracting the disease between September 3 and November 3, 1888 had > > died, as in my asundry family collection it seems that there were *many* > > multiple deaths during that time. At the same time, life was difficult, at > > best, back then... and death seemed to visit more often. > > > > Hope someone finds this interesting. > > Tricia Roberts Hall > > Greenville/Spartanburg, SC > > __________________________________ > > He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends > > Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999 > > > ==== ALMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Genealogy without documentation is mythology... > A researcher gathers information... > A genealogist gathers documentation... > >

> Tricia, When you say recent Morgan Co. Hertiage book, are you refering to the Heritage of Morgan County, Alabama book or is there another book out with the name you give.? > > > Subject: Re: [ALMORGAN] epidemic doctors > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:27 -0400 > From: "Tricia Hall" <tntricia@bellsouth.net> > To: ALMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Ditto the praise to Troy. There is a list of some of the doctors that died > in the 1888 yellow fever scurge in articles on pgs. 58-59 in the recent > Morgan Co. Heritage book. This information was researched and provided by > the same Ivydene Simpson Walls of Hartselle that Troy mentioned. Those > articles state that five doctors died, several of whom had survived the 1878 > epidemic: > > Dr. R. C. Bowman, died 9/21/1888, > Dr. W. B. Black, died 10/2/1888, > Dr. William Gardner Gill, died 10/6/1888, > Dr. R. V. Williams, died 10/8/1888, and > Dr. W. J. Young who died 10/30/1888. > > I was a little surprised to read in her article that only 35 of the 110 > people contracting the disease between September 3 and November 3, 1888 had > died, as in my asundry family collection it seems that there were *many* > multiple deaths during that time. At the same time, life was difficult, at > best, back then... and death seemed to visit more often. > > Hope someone finds this interesting. > Tricia Roberts Hall > Greenville/Spartanburg, SC > __________________________________ > He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends > Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999

Ditto the praise to Troy. There is a list of some of the doctors that died in the 1888 yellow fever scurge in articles on pgs. 58-59 in the recent Morgan Co. Heritage book. This information was researched and provided by the same Ivydene Simpson Walls of Hartselle that Troy mentioned. Those articles state that five doctors died, several of whom had survived the 1878 epidemic: Dr. R. C. Bowman, died 9/21/1888, Dr. W. B. Black, died 10/2/1888, Dr. William Gardner Gill, died 10/6/1888, Dr. R. V. Williams, died 10/8/1888, and Dr. W. J. Young who died 10/30/1888. I was a little surprised to read in her article that only 35 of the 110 people contracting the disease between September 3 and November 3, 1888 had died, as in my asundry family collection it seems that there were *many* multiple deaths during that time. At the same time, life was difficult, at best, back then... and death seemed to visit more often. Hope someone finds this interesting. Tricia Roberts Hall Greenville/Spartanburg, SC __________________________________ He best understands who has felt the pain. -- The Compassionate Friends Nicole Noella 12/30/1980 - 4/17/1999

Troy, Thank you for the wonderful response. The history lessons are what I love about genealogy. To think that our ancestors suffered through something so terrible. And to know that if one of them had died, we might not be here today. :^) You mentioned a list of doctors who died -- is there a list of all people who died? Thanks again, Judy Woods

My great grandfather, Dr. Benjamin F. Cross, was one of the doctors who battled yellow fever in Decatur, AL, in 1878 and 1888. Dr. Cross was the Morgan County Health Officer who reported the second epidemic (1888) to Dr. Jerome Cochran, Alabama's first public health officer. Part of Decatur's citizens did not want to report the fever as "yellow jack"; the other part did. The decision to report the second epidemic split the town's citizens who rightly believed that a report of yellow jack would doom a growing Decatur who was recovering from the first epidemic. By 1880, Decatur's population had dropped to 300 people.These citizens wanted A.D. Spencer's (a fruit dealer) death reported as "black vomit", not yellow jack. Spencer was the first casualty of the second epidemic. It is believed that Spencer caught the yellow jack from a visitor from Jacksonville, FL ( who also experienced epidemics). The argument that raged among the citizenry reached US Congress who decreed that Decatur be burned to the ground. Only pleas from Dr.Cochran kept the city from being put to the torch. You can read all about the hue and cry that split the town from articles found in Morgan County's Genealogical Society, 624 Bank St.,NE, Decatur, AL 35601. The names of doctors who died in the 1888 epidemic are found in the Decatur City Cemetery Records. Other articles on the epidemics in Decatur were published in The Valley Journal, Sept. 30,1990; The Decatur Daily, February 24, 1955;The Decatur Sunday Dispatch, Nov. 25, 1888; The Decatur News, 1888; The Report of the Board of Health of the State of Alabama, 1888. Ms Ivydene (Dene) Simpson Walls researched the epidemics and wrote a wonderful article for the Decatur newspaper. In 1991, a monument was dedicated to the yellow fever victims in Decatur and the physicians who treated them in the Decatur City cemetery. A picture of the monument is found in The Decatur Daily, July 8, 1991. My great grandfather Cross survived both epidemics and died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1895, a few years short of the world discovering that mosquitoes were the vectors in the spread of yellow fever. My mother (90 yrs) remembers hearing from her father, a Decaturite, that so many people died that they gave out of coffins. One article I have reports that 92 died out of 320 reported cases. I hope this helps those of you interested in the Morgan epidemics and especially that concentrated around Decatur. Troy W. Rogers tigerrag@gte.net . .

A quick scan of John Knox' book "A History of Morgan County, Alabama", copyrighted 1967, page 219 mentions an epidemic of yellow fever in 1878, and has an article extending for several pages about the 1888 yellow fever epidemic and the associated problems and proposed remedies, including a proposal involving burning Decatur. Hope this helps in your search. LoL Robert Ft. Worth, TX