Very much of what Pat has said, is true. The name of the daughter of a chief was what the tribe went by. It wasn't the name of Chief. Besides that, there was only one chief per tribe, if it be Creek, Cherokee, Crow, Pawnee, whatever. That is the way it is today. There are groups that where everyone there calls themselves chiefs. There are almost 60 tribes in Okla. and almost that much chiefs, one for each tribe there. People use the title chief too loosely. Most full blood native americans never got any credit, it was most always the breeds. Native americans, so vast, so interesting, a lot has been written that was wrong, just like a lot of other things. After the "Trail Of Tears" it was estimated that less than 200 true indians was left in Ala. a few managed to return from the death trip. millard >From: "Pat Opachick" <pensacola@mindspring.com> >Reply-To: ALMONROE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ALMONROE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ALMONROE-L] Re: 1910 Indian population Monroe County, AL >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:03:09 -0500 > >well contrary to most peoples belief Natives did not need to be full blood >to be on rolls .some of the most remembered Chiefs were not full blood >native..The Dawes roll is full of blood quantums of this nature. >depending on what way you are using the word "princess" ...actually there >were no Indian Princes's.that was white mans word.....some times in some >places used in a very ugly manner.If you are using the word relating to >the >idea she was a chiefs daughter, that still does not mean she was full >blood. >Some tribal pow wow's today have a new Indian princess each year......they >are far from full blood. >"genetically pure Indian"..well there are many, but ...... >No matter how much Native blood they had, you can see buy this census they >were of a tribe, and lived the Native ways. Have never read of a case >where >a TRIBE in the old days ever distinguished between someone that was full >blood and not.....we do today , very very much. >pat > > > >==== ALMONROE Mailing List ==== >*****Monroe County Mailing List***** >To Unsubscribe, send the command unsubscribe to >ALMONROE-L-request@rootsweb.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Margaret Sizemore was the wife to Chas A Sizemore.listed right above her name > same dwelling and family # > pat >

In a message dated 1/22/00 8:56:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, pensacola@mindspring.com writes: << Motherrs Tribe: Creek indian blood: 1/32 white blood: 31/32 >> This is ridiculous. That means that person is 6 generations removed from the genetically pure Indian grand parent. If you figure there are about 4 or 5 more generations since 1910 then a descendent would be 1/512 or 1/ 1024. May be it is time for us to let go of the myth of an Indian Princess grandmother.

SIZEMORE,ALEXANDER Dwelling # : 16 Family #: 16 Head Male Indian Age: 73 Married 48 years POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Occupation: none Tribe: Creek Fathers Tribe: Creek Mothers Tribe: Creek Indian Blood: 1/16 same dwelling and family # Sizemore, Mary E Wife Female Indian Age: 68 Married 48 years # of children: 9 # of children alive: 3 POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Tribe: Creek Fathers Tribe : Creek Mothers Tribe : Creek amt Indian Blood: 1/16 amt. white blood: 15/16 same dwelling and family # Sizemore, Rosa Daughter Female age: 26 single POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Occupation: none Tribe: Creek Fathers Tribe: CReek Mothers Tribe: Creek Indian blood: 1/16 white blood: 15/16 same dwelling and family # Sizemore, Leon Grandson Male Indian Age: 11/12 POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Mothers POB: Al Tribe: White/Creek Fathers Tribe: White Motherrs Tribe: Creek indian blood: 1/32 white blood: 31/32 ========================================== DWELLING # 25 FAMILY # 26 Sizemore, Chas. A Head Male Indian AGe: 46 Married 22 years POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Occupation: Farmer Tribe: Creek Fathers Tribe: Creek Mothers Tribe: Creek Indian blood: 1/8 White blood: 7/8 SAME DWELLING# AND FAMILY # Sizemore, Margaret J Wife female Indian AGe: 44 Married 22 years Children: 4 Children alive: 3 POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Occupation: none Tribe: Creek Fathers Tribe: Creek Mothers Tribe: Creek Indian blood: 3/32 white blood: 27/32 same dwelling # and Family # Sizemore, William W SON Male AGE: 15 Single Indian POB: AL Mothers POB: AL FathersPOB: AL Occupation: farm laborer Tribe: Creek Fathers Tribe: Creek Mothers Tribe: Creek Indian blood : 3/32 white blood : 27/32 same dwell# and family# Sizemore, Charles L Son Male Indain AGe: 12 Single ( everything else same as other child ) same family adn dwelling # Sizemore, Margaret H Daughter female Age: 9 Indian Single ( everything else same as other children) ** NOTE** in same household and dwelling shows Mother in-law WEATHERFORD, Margaret V 72 yrs old widow 10 children/ 8 living =============================================== NO " PADGETT' NO " STIGGINS' NO MONIAC SPELLED THAT WAY, BUT OTHER RESEARCHERS ALSO CLAIM THIS SPELLING SO AM SENDING THIS INFORMATION A LSO MONROE COUNTY, ALABAMA JEDDO PRECINCT Dwelling # 10 Family # 10 MANACK, Adeline Head female Indian AGE: 30 Widow children: 6 children alive: 3 POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Occupation: washer woman-Gen Tribe: Choctaw Fathers Tribe: Choctaw Mothers Tribe: Choctaw Indian blood: FULL same dwelling and family# Manack, Katie Daughter Female Indian AGe; 11 POB: AL Mothers POB: AL Fathers POB: AL Tribe: Choctaw FULL BLOOD CHOCTAW same dwelling and family # Manack, Morison Son Male Indian Age: 2 everythign else same as other child ================================

NO Chapman Chatman on this census pat

In a message dated 1/22/00 8:56:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, pensacola@mindspring.com writes: WHO DID MARGARET J. SIZEMORE,MARRIED, IS THERE ANY WAY TO FINE OUT << Mothers POB: AL >> *** JANET****

Pat- Would you check for Chatman or perhaps Chapman? Thanks, Inell

opsss I am sorry list.......my caps was on adn I didn't realize it in the last email...........................:8( pat

NO "ROSS" ON THIS 1910 INDIAN MONROE CO AL CENSUS PAT

In a message dated 1/17/00 12:34:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, etheredg_j@popmail.firn.edu writes: << nroe and/or Conecuh Co., AL? If so, I need info on John Ross born in approx. 1823. His name might be listed as Hugh John ROss, John Ross or Joh >> Death records are probably not avaliable that early. If he lived to be a very old man he might have survived until mandatory death records were kept.

Hi Pat, I have debated with myself as to whether I should ask you to look up my Monroe Co. name...I know how overwhelming doing look-ups can be. If you have time will you check for Bradley? Thank you so much; I do appreciate it. Brenda Nichols nicholgb@bellsouth.net ---------- >From: "Pat Opachick" <pensacola@mindspring.com> >To: ALMONROE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ALMONROE-L] 1910 look ups >Date: Wed, Jan 19, 2000, 3:56 PM > > OK.I should have finished all the 1910 Indian census for monroe co alabama > look ups...if u have not heard from me PLEASE email.... > pat > > > ==== ALMONROE Mailing List ==== > ****Visit the ALGenWeb Monroe County site at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~almonroe often for updates! > >

No problem this is my hobby .helping others with genealogy....99% of what I find adn or buy doesn't help me at all <G> BUT.no BRADLEY on the census pat

OK.I should have finished all the 1910 Indian census for monroe co alabama look ups...if u have not heard from me PLEASE email.... pat

NO ROSS pat

Dear Elizabeth, I am answering your most welcomed letter on the List in hopes someone may see a familiar name, too. As everyone must know by now, I am getting desperate in my search to identify my gggrandfather William Robinson/Roberson. In your second letter, you wrote the Colemans were neighbors of the Roberson/Robinson family in Monroe County. Now, below are the Coleman names that I have in my database. My grandfather Alfred Bennett Roberson, grandson of William Robinson, married first MARTHA ELIZABETH CANTERBERRY. I have been told they were living in Wilcox County at the time. My families seemed to have moved around in Wilcox, Conecuh, Butler and Monroe Counties, so perhaps these Colemans are related. Martha Elizabeth Canterberry's sister Amanda Jane Canterberry married Thomas Livingston Coleman. See info below. Can you connect Thomas Livingston Coleman to your Colemans? I would really like to see the info that you said you have on William B. with Liddy. Do you have his parents' names? Did the "B" stand for Bennett? I was told that my William Robinson had married Elizabeth BONNER, but I am beginning to think the Bonner is a mistake...it could have been MANNING. Thank you so much for writing. I couldn't get back to you last night. Freda Roberson Noble Gualala, Ca ************** 1 Thomas Livingston Coleman - ------------------------------------------- Spouse: Amanda Jane Canterbury Birth: 8 Apr 1848 Death: 22 Jun 1911 Father: Redding Canterbury (1824-1890) Mother: Drucilla Cochron (1824-1887) Marriage: 31 Jan 1877, Lowndes County, Al. Children: Guy R. (1877-1910) Mabel (1880-1900) Thomas L. (1881-1909) Coby C. (1882-1944) Jennie (1885-1970) 1.1 Guy R. Coleman - ------------------------------------------- Birth: 11 Nov 1877 Death: 20 Dec 1910, Lowndes County, Al. 32Nd degree Mason Shriner< knights of Pythias. (from Mt. Willing Cemetery records.) 1.2 Mabel Coleman - ------------------------------------------- Birth: 29 Feb 1880 Death: 2 Nov 1900 1.3 Thomas L. Coleman - ------------------------------------------- Birth: 19 Aug 1881 Death: 5 Feb 1909 1.4 Coby C. Coleman - ------------------------------------------- Birth: 15 Oct 1882 Death: 10 Mar 1944 Spouse: Fannie Mae Goodwin Marriage: 11 Oct 1911, Lowndes Co., Al. 1.5 Jennie Coleman - ------------------------------------------- Birth: 16 Jan 1885 Death: 18 Dec 1970 Spouse: Walter James Coker Marriage: 1 Sep 1904, Lowndes Co., Al. Index CANTERBURY Amanda Jane spouse of 1 COKER Walter James spouse of 1.5 COLEMAN Coby C. 1.4 Guy R. 1.1 Jennie 1.5 Mabel 1.2 Thomas L. 1.3 Thomas Livingston 1 GOODWIN Fannie Mae spouse of 1.4 Freda and Ted Noble tnoble@mcn.org

Marian: My LITCHFIELDS were born in South Carolina: Metzger (1797), William (1800), Joseph (1804), and Jesse( 1810). I don't know who their parents were, but they all four moved to Alabama. Metzger eventually settled in Baldwin County, AL, and the other three brothers moved on to Texas, I think. Sound familiar? Kathryn "A family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching these families in the Southeast: COX, CROUT, HENRY, HILL, KELLY/KHELE, LAWRENCE, LITCHFIELD, MAULDIN, NELSON, OVERTON, TAYLOR, UZZELL, WEST. Also, AMBROSE, BALCH, HOUGH, STARKEY, PRINCE, TERRELL. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Elizabeth, many thanks for answering my inquiry. Yes, sometimes I am almost embarrassed because I put out so many inquiries, but I guess that is what this is all about. Do you have any info about William B. in addition to his children? What did the "B." stand for? Could it have been "Bennett"? Do you know who his neighbors were? Are any of the names that I research in your database? I don't think your William could have been my gggrandfather because of the dates, but he could be a son. The only son's name I have is "Tye Roberson," as I wrote in my inquiry. I think William and wife Elizabeth Bonner (and that name could be wrong) lived in or near Mt. Willing, Al. Tye married Polly, daughter of Clement and Elizabeth Thorton Sills, and the Sills (I have that info) lived in adjoining Monroe County area. Other related people lived in Wilcox and Butler Counties. There are two marriage records which give a William Robinson's home as the place of marriage. Do you have such records of your family? If you can make any connection, you will have really "made my day!" >Hello, Freda > >For many, many weeks I have read your pleas for help with your William >Roberson/Robinson and wondered if the one I have is any relation. And >this morning when you listed some other people I decided that it was >time for me to take some action. > >I have the William B Robinson (l850 census) wih Siddy/Liddy and the >males that y;ou have with them. > > >==== ALMONROE Mailing List ==== >*****Monroe County Mailing List***** >To Unsubscribe, send the command unsubscribe to >ALMONROE-L-request@rootsweb.com Freda and Ted Noble tnoble@mcn.org

Pat, Would you looking to see if you have any BARTLETTs, STACEYs and/or BLACKMONs on your 1910 Indian pop. list? Thanks, I appreciate the help. Sheri Bartlett Gordon

Hello again, Freda, Sorry, but I hit the wrong key and dispatched my letter before completing it.. I do have info on William B. with Liddy (my records all look like Siddy), Menan, Etc. in 1850. Siddy?Liddy was a daughter of Menan Coleman and his wife Argent Jackson Coleman who were neighbors of the Roberson/Robinson family up in Monroe Co. until l834 when the Colemans moved down to Conecuh Co. near Pollard on the Conecuh River. So far as I know, I am not related to the Roberson/Robinson family, but Menan Coleman and Argent are my ggggrandparents and I have sought to complete their familyWilliam B. and Siddy/Liddy also had four older daughters who were not in the 1850 census and with the help of some Emmons bible records I have identified one of them who was named Argent Georgianne. William B. and Siddy were next to Benjamin Coleman, son of Menan Coleman, in the 1850 census of Conecuh Co. Let me know if I may help and I can get back with you probably tonight. Elizabeth Riordan Pensacola

Don't give up on me those of you that I have not answered as yet or finished......had a LOT of look ups and one of these cd's is very hard to follow/ read etc...and I have to write the info out by hand then type it in, so a little time consumming....i'll get there pat