Hi and thank you for the response =-==-=- The info in Esther's book on Reuben, and also on my Solomon, came from Allie Seal (descendant of Reuben) and myself. If I remember right, there's some errors (typos I think) on my Solomon in there. Lot's of Esther's data is from other people of course, so one must be careful in assessing data. Looking for original sources or folks who have personally done the research. Not many left.. :-) cheers, Dick Stewart