----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Goodrum" <marygoodrum@magtel.com> To: <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Lauderdale families >I am researching the Curtis family of Lauderdale County. James W. Curtis > first appears in Lauderdale in the late 1820's and lives there until > sometime after the 1840 census, when it is assumed that he passed away.. > Isaiah Curtis, believed to be his son, appears in the 1840 census of > Lauderdale with his first wife, name unknown. In the 1850 census Isaiah > is > listed with his second wife, Nancy, and his children. Her maiden name was > Barr and her first husband was R.D..Darrell/Doyle. A year or two after > the > 1850 census he and his sons move to Hempstead County, Arkansas. This move > is made without Nancy Barr Curtis. It is unknown what happened to her. > This Curtis family moved from South Carolina, to Kentucky, to Tennessee > and > on into Alabama. > > Mary Goodrum > marygoodrum@magtel.com > > > >

I am doing White family research in Lauderdale Co., AL., in the early 1800's. I am looking for the parents of my g-g-grandmother Jemima White who married Alfred Mobley on 8 April 1830 in Lauderdale Co., AL. All census records show Jemima White born in AL. There were a number of White families in that county in 1830 but I have not yet been able to connect Jemima to any of them. Alfred and Jemima were listed in the 1830 census one page away from four White families--two of whom were Danuel(Sp?) and James--and the other two I have not been able to decipher their first names (the enumerator had bad penmanship). I thought that perhaps someone might have additional information on White families in Lauderdale Co. in the 1820-1840 period. --Larry Mobley, Foresthill, CA. Researching my Mobley, White, Gibson, Isaacs, Blaylock, Hicks and Weatherford family lines

I am researching the following families in Lauderdale Co. : Thigpen, Gray, Michael, King, Davis, Jones, Hillis, & Hawkins. Thanks Joe

Pat, I have enjoyed the notices of the past few days. It is always exciting to hear from people searching for info from the past. I will add briefly the Fulton Family. Wesley Jordan Fulton enlisted in Company H, 62nd Alabama Regiment CSA, commanded by Col. McGee and General Thomas Brigade. He escaped in 1865 from Union forces, went to Citronelle, AL, and then to Meridan, MS, where he surrendered Any further information on this outfit would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again Jean Jarrrell

Dear Pat, Over the years I have come to respect your decisions and think you must have a good reason to send the Allauder newsletter in the format you use. I would like to know why it is sent as an attachment with each message a separate process to access. In my current system I must click on the paperclip, choose the message I want to read, then the window to clear the opening of the message and repeat the process for all of the messages. Maybe I'm just getting lazy, but it would seem much easier for me to open the newsletter and read all the entries together. The above is in no way to be construed as a complaint. I really appreciate all the work you do for so many of us and will certainly continue to use the current system if this is the way you want it. Again, Carol from California ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALLAUDER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ALLAUDER-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: ALLAUDER-D Digest V05 #8

I am looking for the descendants of Charles Hartwell Williams and some may still be living in Lauderdale county. He is a half brother to my great grandfather Stith Milton Williams 1852-1921. I am hoping someone on this list will put me in contact with a living descendent or if anyone has access to there obituary. Thanks Frank Charles Hartwell Williams b. 30 Mar 1878 and d. 22 Sep 1942 in Lauderdale County and is buried in the Barnett Cemetery. He married Julia F. Barnett b. Feb 1879 and d. 1967. He was an auto mechanic and own his business in Lexington. 10 Children Oliver F. Williams b. 24 Oct 1900, d. 26 Feb 1951 Lauderdale County m. Lillian Ora B. Williams b. 14 Aug 1902, d. 09 Aug 1918 Lauderdale County Burrel A. Williams b. abt 1904 Annie R. Williams b. abt 1908 Earnest H. Williams b. Mar 1909 Emma Williams b. abt 1912 Reba Williams b. abt 1914 Eunice Williams b. abt 1917 Lennice Williams b. abt 1921 Neal Williams b. abt 1923 Oliver F. Williams and Lillian had three children. Charles M. Williams b. 18 Feb 1925 d. 21 Oct 1999 in Lauderdale County Stanley Wheeler Williams b. 03 Aug 1926 d. 11 Oct 1993 in Lauderdale County Ronda R. Williams b. abt 1929 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 02/07/2005

Franklin Cherry Mangum/Mangrum, was the son of Thomas Carothers Mangum and Mary Janes Barnes. I would really like to know the connection between Mary Jane Barnes Mangum and the Robertson family. Some say Mary Jane Barnes Mangum, was actually Mary Jane Robertson, daughter of Archer and Sally Robertson, and some say she was the daughter of Lilburn Barnes and Mary Waits. I am thinking maybe Mary Jane Barnes, married a son of Archer Robertson, prior to her marrying Thomas Carothers Mangum. Mary Jane was 30 years old when my grandpa Franklin Cherry Mangum was born, that is kind of old for a woman in those days to be having a first or second born child. Any information on these Mangum/Mangrum, Barnes and Robertson families will be much appreciated. Thanks, Jo Ann Crafton

Sarah's parents were Eli Joiner b. 1794 N. Carolina and Mary Welch b. 1797 S. Carolina. I have more somewhere but just got in from working play at school and will look for it tomorrow. Anna Marie "Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly."

I am looking for information on the Mclemore family, living in Dist. 1 and Dist. 2. Burrell Mclemore b. 1770 VA in particular. There are several of the same surname as time goes by. I know he was at one point in Giles, TN, where at least 2 children were born. I need to sort these folks out. Additionally, any information on Gabriel Davis is appreciated. He married Mary Mclemore. They appear to be living next to Burrell in the 1850 census. Burrell seems to have a second wife by that time. In a different line, I am looking into Stansell, Burns, Parker in Lauderdale. Thanks, Kathy

Pat, I appreciate all of the information you have been sending my way--and especially the map showing the location of Bluff Creek and Gravelly Springs. I note that the map indicates that Gravelly Springs was Wilson's headquarters and camp. Who was Wilson? What was the significance? The Confederate forces that participated in the skirmish at Bluff Creek in 1864 were elements of 19th (Biffle's) Tennessee Cavalry Regiment and some members of "G" Company, First Confederate Cavalry Regiment. Col. Jacob Biffle was from Wayne County and the soldiers of "G" Company were from Hardin Co. TN. I might add that Capt. Bert Hays and his company disappeared from the records of 21st (Wilson's) Cavalry Regiment and at this time were raising havoc in the south Hardin Co. and north Lauderdale Co. area. Elements of that unit were probably present. Hays began as a pvt. in the First Confederate. I have driven through Gravelly Springs and Bluff Creek a few times and never knew I was there. I will pay attention next time. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net> To: "David Cagle" <dcagle1@charter.net>; <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > Good Morning David, > > According to Sandra Sockwell's doctoral thesis on "Place names of Colbert > and Lauderdale County, Alabama", p. 104 -5. The last entry on Bluff Creek > has mention of Civil War action in that area, but does not name any of the > units involved. > > "Bluff Creek -- This creek, already named by the composition of the 1817 > Field Notes [underlined], drains a great portion of the north-south depth of > Lauderdale County in R13w, T1 and 2S, exiting into the TN River at NE1/4 of > S1S T2S, R13W, ab. 2 mi. west of Gravelly Springs. Named for the bluff at > this confluence. (Field Notes 130; 1926 Gravelly Springs Quad; 1977 Gen. > H'way Map)." > > NOTE: The location is correct, and is on this map: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~allauder/map-t2r13.htm > > In addition to the above, there is also listed on these pages: > > "Bluff Creek Baptist Church - See Bluff Creek Missionary Baptist Church > > Bluff Creek Baptist Church of Christ. Estab. c 1831. As the name suggests, > this building orig. housed both the Church of Christ and Primitive Baptist > congregations, according to its 1848 deed (LC Deed Book 12, 22 Aug 1848: > 372-73) Named fr. the creek above, which was close to the meeting house in > S16, T2S, R13W (Deed Book 15, 16 Jul 1855; 199). Aka Barton's Church, named > for the com., 1.v., and Liberty Church, a commendatory name (Kilpatrick). > > Bluff Creek Beat - Estab. and known as Willet's Beat fr. 1831 through > 1844, named for a local person (LC Comm.. Min. 1831: 38; 1844: 77). This was > abol. in January 1845 and a beat was estab. at Patton's Spring on Bluff > Creek. Bluff Creek Beat appeared anomalously in Comm. Min. 1843, and in 1847 > the beat was listed as Bluff Creek (Willett) (1843:47; 1847: 164). The name > switched to Gravelly Spring Bean in the middle 1860s, then Bluff Creek > reappeared for the last time in 1870 (Comm. Min. 1). The area's coverage > changed when Gravelly Springs Beat, q. v., was created in 1875, and again > later, as the population shifted both east to Rhodesville and west to > Wright. Named for the creek, which was central to this area. > > Bluff Creek Cave - Named for the creek loc. here, this cave is south of > Waterloo Rd. (County Rd. #14), at Gravelly Springs, in NE1/4 of S16, T2S, > R13W (Hist. and Folklore 31; Hanback). > > Bluff Creek Hill - This is the hill where Gravelly Springs gushes out, on > Bluff Creek, at Gravelly Springs comm., in NE1/4 of S16, T2S, R13W. Named > for the creek. (Hist. and Folklore 31) > > Bluff Creek Missionary Baptist Church - Constituted in 1842, this church was > aka Missionary Baptist Church at Gravelly Springs and Bluff Creek Church. > This church was begun because of the number of converts in this area, mainly > through the ministry of the Gravelly Springs Baptist Church, started in 1840 > itself. Gravelly Springs was also listed as the po for this church (Min., > 23rd Sess. of the Liberty Assn. 1860: 11). Although there seems to be some > confusion, this church is believed to have been destroyed by Federal troops > the fall and winter 1865-66; Gravelly Springs Missionary Baptist Church, > q.v., was destroyed in 1864 (Bruce letter; Min., 18th Sess. of LA Baptist > Assn. 1905: 2; Bankhead letter)." > > This is probably more than you wanted to know about Bluff Creek, but it's > kinda like peanuts, once you get a little info on the subject, you want > more. The next place I would check would be the Official Records, which are > on line, for mention of Bluff Creek. > > Hope this helps, > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Cagle" <dcagle1@charter.net> > To: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net>; <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > > > > Hi Pat, > > I am a neighbor in Hardin Co., TN. A goodly number of my ancestors and > > their neighbors were in a local Cavalry unit which was organized in the > > fall > > of 1861 and became "G" Company of the First Cavalry Regiment in 1862 soon > > after the battle of Shiloh. The original Regiment had 4 companies form > > KY, > > 2 from AL and 4 from TN which included the Hardin Co. unit. The AL > > companies were soon transferred to Roddy's outfit in north AL. > > > > In 1864 when the First was close, Hardin Co., "G" company was allowed a > > furlough. I think they actually may have been trying to recruit new > > soldiers. In any case, after a couple of days in Hardin County, one of > > "G" > > Company soldiers was killed at his home by Yankee bushwhackers. Col. > > Jacob > > Biffle and the 19th with some members of the First Confederate were > > organized to chase the Bushwhackers, going up Holland Creek to the > > Waterloo > > area and to a place called BLUFF CREEK > > AL where a skirmish occurred. > > > > My question is: Where is Bluff Creek AL and is there a record or > > tradition > > of a Civil war Skirmish there? > > > > David > > > > PS: Bert Hays lived on Holland Creek. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net> > > To: <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:20 AM > > Subject: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > > > > > >> Good Morning All, > >> > >> Is there anyone out there? I know the Christmas season puts almost > >> everything 'on hold' but this list is beginning to gather cobwebs! We've > > had > >> several people join the list since Christmas and they must wonder if > >> there > >> is another person on this list beside the list administrator. > >> > >> I'm going to start this off by telling you that I am currently > >> researching > > a > >> former slave named John H. Rapier. His son, James T., was well-known and > >> much has been written on him, but hardly anything has ever been done on > > the > >> father. Right now, I can tell you that John H. was a body servant to > > Richard > >> Rapier. Richard was adamant that John H. be freed. His will, dated 1825, > > is > >> almost totally devoted to the accomplishment of John H.'s emancipation. > > John > >> H. was born in slavery, about 1807 in VA and died a free man in 1869, > >> Lauderdale County, AL. He purchased his first piece of land in 1831, so > >> he > >> definitely was set free. > >> > >> Tell us what you are currently working on! One of us just may have an > > answer > >> or two for you. > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Pat M. Mahan > >> CC Lauderdale Co AL & List Administrator > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== ALLAUDER Mailing List ==== > >> Pat M. Mahan Lauderdale County CC and List Manager > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~allauder/index.htm > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > >

Pat, You have gone above and beyond the call of duty. Thank you very much. Following I am going to transcribe the letter which describes this Civil War Incident. The letter came about because a member of "G" Company of the First Confederate Cavalry Regiment, "Ham" Smith, was trying to obtain a Civil War Pension in 1916. Brothers, Alfred, Samuel and Thomas A. Kindall as well as three of my g/g/grandfathers, Redden Washington Reynolds, Jemes George Dickson and Charles Talley Cagle were also members of the First Confederate. The Kendall family ran the Kendall House Hotel in Savannah which stood near the Cherry Mansion on the banks of the Tennessee River. Thomas A. Kendall moved to Oklahoma some years after the war. Thanks David ***************** T. A. Kendall, Mayor Pauls Valley Oklahoma May 13, 1916 To Whom It May Concern: This is to certify that Ham Smith, now of Gillis Mills, Hardin County, Tennessee was a member of Capt. J. A. Irwin's Company "G"; John T. Cox's regiment, First Confederate Cavalry, Ira T. Bell's brigade, Abe Buford's Division, General Wheeler's corps. during the late war between the states. He was a good soldier and loyal to the South, a short while before the close of the war, he came into Hardin county with Captain Irwin's company, while the federals were thick in the country. Some or all of the boys were permitted to go home to see their families and the bushwhackers wee thick in the country, and David Reed, one of our best men was assassinated one night by some of the above mentioned band. In order to catch these fellows, Ham Smith was pressed into service by Col. Jake Biffle to pursue these federal soldiers and while pursuing them at Bluff Creek, Alabama, received a wound which disabled him the balance of the war. But I assure all concerned that there was no more loyal and better soldier in the Confederate Army that Ham Smith. Very respectfully T. L. Kendall State of Oklahoma Garvin County ************************ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net> To: "David Cagle" <dcagle1@charter.net>; <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > Good Morning David, > > According to Sandra Sockwell's doctoral thesis on "Place names of Colbert > and Lauderdale County, Alabama", p. 104 -5. The last entry on Bluff Creek > has mention of Civil War action in that area, but does not name any of the > units involved. > > "Bluff Creek -- This creek, already named by the composition of the 1817 > Field Notes [underlined], drains a great portion of the north-south depth of > Lauderdale County in R13w, T1 and 2S, exiting into the TN River at NE1/4 of > S1S T2S, R13W, ab. 2 mi. west of Gravelly Springs. Named for the bluff at > this confluence. (Field Notes 130; 1926 Gravelly Springs Quad; 1977 Gen. > H'way Map)." > > NOTE: The location is correct, and is on this map: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~allauder/map-t2r13.htm > > In addition to the above, there is also listed on these pages: > > "Bluff Creek Baptist Church - See Bluff Creek Missionary Baptist Church > > Bluff Creek Baptist Church of Christ. Estab. c 1831. As the name suggests, > this building orig. housed both the Church of Christ and Primitive Baptist > congregations, according to its 1848 deed (LC Deed Book 12, 22 Aug 1848: > 372-73) Named fr. the creek above, which was close to the meeting house in > S16, T2S, R13W (Deed Book 15, 16 Jul 1855; 199). Aka Barton's Church, named > for the com., 1.v., and Liberty Church, a commendatory name (Kilpatrick). > > Bluff Creek Beat - Estab. and known as Willet's Beat fr. 1831 through > 1844, named for a local person (LC Comm.. Min. 1831: 38; 1844: 77). This was > abol. in January 1845 and a beat was estab. at Patton's Spring on Bluff > Creek. Bluff Creek Beat appeared anomalously in Comm. Min. 1843, and in 1847 > the beat was listed as Bluff Creek (Willett) (1843:47; 1847: 164). The name > switched to Gravelly Spring Bean in the middle 1860s, then Bluff Creek > reappeared for the last time in 1870 (Comm. Min. 1). The area's coverage > changed when Gravelly Springs Beat, q. v., was created in 1875, and again > later, as the population shifted both east to Rhodesville and west to > Wright. Named for the creek, which was central to this area. > > Bluff Creek Cave - Named for the creek loc. here, this cave is south of > Waterloo Rd. (County Rd. #14), at Gravelly Springs, in NE1/4 of S16, T2S, > R13W (Hist. and Folklore 31; Hanback). > > Bluff Creek Hill - This is the hill where Gravelly Springs gushes out, on > Bluff Creek, at Gravelly Springs comm., in NE1/4 of S16, T2S, R13W. Named > for the creek. (Hist. and Folklore 31) > > Bluff Creek Missionary Baptist Church - Constituted in 1842, this church was > aka Missionary Baptist Church at Gravelly Springs and Bluff Creek Church. > This church was begun because of the number of converts in this area, mainly > through the ministry of the Gravelly Springs Baptist Church, started in 1840 > itself. Gravelly Springs was also listed as the po for this church (Min., > 23rd Sess. of the Liberty Assn. 1860: 11). Although there seems to be some > confusion, this church is believed to have been destroyed by Federal troops > the fall and winter 1865-66; Gravelly Springs Missionary Baptist Church, > q.v., was destroyed in 1864 (Bruce letter; Min., 18th Sess. of LA Baptist > Assn. 1905: 2; Bankhead letter)." > > This is probably more than you wanted to know about Bluff Creek, but it's > kinda like peanuts, once you get a little info on the subject, you want > more. The next place I would check would be the Official Records, which are > on line, for mention of Bluff Creek. > > Hope this helps, > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Cagle" <dcagle1@charter.net> > To: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net>; <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > > > > Hi Pat, > > I am a neighbor in Hardin Co., TN. A goodly number of my ancestors and > > their neighbors were in a local Cavalry unit which was organized in the > > fall > > of 1861 and became "G" Company of the First Cavalry Regiment in 1862 soon > > after the battle of Shiloh. The original Regiment had 4 companies form > > KY, > > 2 from AL and 4 from TN which included the Hardin Co. unit. The AL > > companies were soon transferred to Roddy's outfit in north AL. > > > > In 1864 when the First was close, Hardin Co., "G" company was allowed a > > furlough. I think they actually may have been trying to recruit new > > soldiers. In any case, after a couple of days in Hardin County, one of > > "G" > > Company soldiers was killed at his home by Yankee bushwhackers. Col. > > Jacob > > Biffle and the 19th with some members of the First Confederate were > > organized to chase the Bushwhackers, going up Holland Creek to the > > Waterloo > > area and to a place called BLUFF CREEK > > AL where a skirmish occurred. > > > > My question is: Where is Bluff Creek AL and is there a record or > > tradition > > of a Civil war Skirmish there? > > > > David > > > > PS: Bert Hays lived on Holland Creek. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net> > > To: <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:20 AM > > Subject: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > > > > > >> Good Morning All, > >> > >> Is there anyone out there? I know the Christmas season puts almost > >> everything 'on hold' but this list is beginning to gather cobwebs! We've > > had > >> several people join the list since Christmas and they must wonder if > >> there > >> is another person on this list beside the list administrator. > >> > >> I'm going to start this off by telling you that I am currently > >> researching > > a > >> former slave named John H. Rapier. His son, James T., was well-known and > >> much has been written on him, but hardly anything has ever been done on > > the > >> father. Right now, I can tell you that John H. was a body servant to > > Richard > >> Rapier. Richard was adamant that John H. be freed. His will, dated 1825, > > is > >> almost totally devoted to the accomplishment of John H.'s emancipation. > > John > >> H. was born in slavery, about 1807 in VA and died a free man in 1869, > >> Lauderdale County, AL. He purchased his first piece of land in 1831, so > >> he > >> definitely was set free. > >> > >> Tell us what you are currently working on! One of us just may have an > > answer > >> or two for you. > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Pat M. Mahan > >> CC Lauderdale Co AL & List Administrator > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== ALLAUDER Mailing List ==== > >> Pat M. Mahan Lauderdale County CC and List Manager > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~allauder/index.htm > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > >

I am looking for any information on the family of J.C. PARRISH/PARISH b. May 1861 & Sarah J. LONG b. Sep. 1861. According to the Lauderdale County Probate Records, James C. PARRISH and Sarah J. LONG were married on September 23, 1883 at John LONG'S house. Also according to the 1900 U.S. Census, which was taken on June 8th and 9th 1900 (sheet B 4 lines 51- 54) this family was living in the Waterloo Pct. #17 with their two children, Fannie E. age 15 b. Mar. 1885 and John W. age 10 b. Sep. 1889. During that same 1900 U.S. Census, dated June 21st. John W. is shown living with an uncle, W.C. PARRISH in the same Waterloo Pct. There is no listing for Fannie. She may have married or moved in with a different family. I believe that the Waterloo Precinct #17 is the Village of Wright, Alabama. I haven't been able to locate any further information on the family of J.C. and Sarah. My thoughts are that J.C. & Sarah died suddenly from a sickness or other mishap, but I haven't been able to find any obituaries regarding their deaths. I know that some of the cemeteries in that area were re-located because of the rising waters of Pickwick Lake and that a lot of the grave markers were un-named or lost, but I'm in hopes that their is someone with knowledge of who they were and what happened to them. Any help would be greatly appreciated Jim Parrish Waupun, Wisconsin

Am looking for John James and family. Also looking for John White and family of Lauderdale Co., Ala. John T. White was born abt. 1865 and married Cynthia Barnett. John James was born in 1862 and married Lucille Simmons. Their children Jesse James and Icidora White married in Lauderdale and had children there before they moved on. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Pam North Carolina

I am looking for information on the Mclemore family, living in Dist. 1 and Dist. 2. Burrell Mclemore b. 1770 VA in particular. There are several of the same surname as time goes by. I know he was at one point in Giles, TN, where at least 2 children were born. I need to sort these folks out. Additionally, any information on Gabriel Davis is appreciated. He married Mary Mclemore. They appear to be living next to Burrell in the 1850 census. Burrell seems to have a second wife by that time. In a different line, I am looking into Stansell, Burns, Parker in Lauderdale. Thanks, Kathy

This message should have preceded the one on "Barron Mistake" I sent this message but left off the "L" after Lauderdale-L,so I don't know if this message got through. Kaye, I am interested in Alexander Barron Jr. and his wife Elizabeth Liddell who migrated to Lauderdale Co,Al from Giles Co,TN. after 1820. Alexander Barron Jr. was the son of Alexander Barron Sr. Alexander Barron Sr. had a sister Jane Barron who married my Robert Stephenson in York Co,S.C. in 1784. In 1799, Alexander Barron Sr. was living in Pendleton Co,S.C. About 1805, Alexander Barron Sr. and his neighbor George Shields sold out and went to Giles Co,TN. I am not looking at the 1820 census of Giles on line now,but there is Alexander Barron Jr.,William Barron,Sr.,William Barron Jr.,Abraham Barron,and Samuel Barron,all related,on that census. Alexander Barron Sr.,according to Giles Co,TN court records died in Giles about 1816. In the Giles County, Minute Book C, 1816-1817, page 9 the following is listed: June Term 1816. The last will and testament of Alexander Barron dec'd was produced in open Court and proven by the oaths of James Alexander and Nathaniel Alexander the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded, and thereupon came Alexander Barron and John Barron the executors therein named and was qualified according to law and gave bond and security. My Samuel Stephenson b. 1796 in York Co,S.C. married Mary Shields, the daughter of George Shields in Giles Co,TN. Samuel Stephenson had a son,George Alexander Stephenson who married Elizabeth Sarah Perry in Giles Co,TN in 1849. Sarah Perry Stephenson had a brother Joshua Perry who once lived in Lauderdale Co,Al. I was sent a message about the following Barron will in Lauderdale Co,Alabama. John Barron Will of 1828: son Samuel got $1.50 dau Crepey ?ard got $1.50 dau Polly James got $1.50 dau Elizabeth Baghy? got $1.50 dau Sally Poteet got Negro Girl Silucy and Sally's husband James Poteet was to have no part of Silucy.Wife Elizabeth got all beds and furniture, use of his plantation and the remainder of the Estate until she remarried or died. At that point the Estate was to be sold and equally divided among the lawful heirs of sons John and William(deceased)Barron. The Lauderdale Co,website mentions a John Barron marrying Elizabeth Wilborn or Welborn. I am not sure if this Elizabeth Wilborn or Welborn is the Elizabeth in the above will. Lauderdale Co,Al website shows a James Poteet who married Sally Barrow in Lauderdale Co,Al in 1819. I am also interested in Isabella Barron who married Risdon Wall or Walls in Lauderdale in the 1820's. She died in Itawamba Co,Mississippi. There is a Roan Baron who married John Burrow in Lauderdale in 1836. Roan was a Barron and a biography of her son,John A. Burrow,who was born in Lauderdale Co,Al, can be found at this website:http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/tn/+index+8188155435154+F According to the biography,Roan Barron was born in Giles Co,TN and was probably the daughter of Alexander Barron Jr. who went to Lauderdale. one of the William Barron's on the 1820 census of Giles,I believe, married Lavina Martin in Lawrence Co,Al in 1833.A Samuel Barron went to Madison Co,Al. in the 1830's. I am wondering if a Thomas Barron, who is mentioned at the Lauderdale Co,website, could have been one of my Barron's. He was either born or died in 1864,I am not looking at it now,but I believe he lived in Florence. There was an Alexander Franklin Barron b. TN who was living in TX in the 1850's. He became a Mormon and went to Utah. He is mentioned at this website under "Description of Journey" http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/tn/+index+8188155435154+F Alexander Franklin Barron,born 1813 in Giles Co,TN,according to other researchers, was the son of Alexander Barron Jr.and his wife Elizabeth Liddell who went to Lauderdale Co,Al. 1850 Harris Co,TX census p. 33 #577 Barron, A[lexander] F. 37 m w farmer $750 TN Mary 22 f TX Mary C. 5 f TX Sarah Johanna 3 f TX Wm. Geo. Wash. 1 m TX Tom Stephenson in Texas

I gave the wrong website for Alexander Franklin Barron. http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/library/pioneerdetails/0,15791,4018-1-39948,00.html Click on Thomas Preston Company and on "read a narrative of this company." The website on the previous message is for the biography of John A. Burrow.

In a message dated 2/10/2005 8:43:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, collier333@earthlink.net writes: ix. VELMA WILLIAMS RICE, b. 20 May 1870; d. 20 May 1870. x. ELLA RICE, b. 17 Jul 1871; d. WFT Est. 1872-1965. According to the Tishomingo County Cemetery book, Velma Williams Rice was born & died: May 25, 1872 and buried in Oak Grove Cemetery with her sister, Ella and her father, William Thomas. Ella must have died as a young child, as her marker says, "Little Ella" but it gives only her birth. If others were buried here from this family, their graves are lost today. Karen

Good Morning David, According to Sandra Sockwell's doctoral thesis on "Place names of Colbert and Lauderdale County, Alabama", p. 104 -5. The last entry on Bluff Creek has mention of Civil War action in that area, but does not name any of the units involved. "Bluff Creek -- This creek, already named by the composition of the 1817 Field Notes [underlined], drains a great portion of the north-south depth of Lauderdale County in R13w, T1 and 2S, exiting into the TN River at NE1/4 of S1S T2S, R13W, ab. 2 mi. west of Gravelly Springs. Named for the bluff at this confluence. (Field Notes 130; 1926 Gravelly Springs Quad; 1977 Gen. H'way Map)." NOTE: The location is correct, and is on this map: http://www.rootsweb.com/~allauder/map-t2r13.htm In addition to the above, there is also listed on these pages: "Bluff Creek Baptist Church - See Bluff Creek Missionary Baptist Church Bluff Creek Baptist Church of Christ. Estab. c 1831. As the name suggests, this building orig. housed both the Church of Christ and Primitive Baptist congregations, according to its 1848 deed (LC Deed Book 12, 22 Aug 1848: 372-73) Named fr. the creek above, which was close to the meeting house in S16, T2S, R13W (Deed Book 15, 16 Jul 1855; 199). Aka Barton's Church, named for the com., 1.v., and Liberty Church, a commendatory name (Kilpatrick). Bluff Creek Beat - Estab. and known as Willet's Beat fr. 1831 through 1844, named for a local person (LC Comm.. Min. 1831: 38; 1844: 77). This was abol. in January 1845 and a beat was estab. at Patton's Spring on Bluff Creek. Bluff Creek Beat appeared anomalously in Comm. Min. 1843, and in 1847 the beat was listed as Bluff Creek (Willett) (1843:47; 1847: 164). The name switched to Gravelly Spring Bean in the middle 1860s, then Bluff Creek reappeared for the last time in 1870 (Comm. Min. 1). The area's coverage changed when Gravelly Springs Beat, q. v., was created in 1875, and again later, as the population shifted both east to Rhodesville and west to Wright. Named for the creek, which was central to this area. Bluff Creek Cave - Named for the creek loc. here, this cave is south of Waterloo Rd. (County Rd. #14), at Gravelly Springs, in NE1/4 of S16, T2S, R13W (Hist. and Folklore 31; Hanback). Bluff Creek Hill - This is the hill where Gravelly Springs gushes out, on Bluff Creek, at Gravelly Springs comm., in NE1/4 of S16, T2S, R13W. Named for the creek. (Hist. and Folklore 31) Bluff Creek Missionary Baptist Church - Constituted in 1842, this church was aka Missionary Baptist Church at Gravelly Springs and Bluff Creek Church. This church was begun because of the number of converts in this area, mainly through the ministry of the Gravelly Springs Baptist Church, started in 1840 itself. Gravelly Springs was also listed as the po for this church (Min., 23rd Sess. of the Liberty Assn. 1860: 11). Although there seems to be some confusion, this church is believed to have been destroyed by Federal troops the fall and winter 1865-66; Gravelly Springs Missionary Baptist Church, q.v., was destroyed in 1864 (Bruce letter; Min., 18th Sess. of LA Baptist Assn. 1905: 2; Bankhead letter)." This is probably more than you wanted to know about Bluff Creek, but it's kinda like peanuts, once you get a little info on the subject, you want more. The next place I would check would be the Official Records, which are on line, for mention of Bluff Creek. Hope this helps, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cagle" <dcagle1@charter.net> To: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net>; <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > Hi Pat, > I am a neighbor in Hardin Co., TN. A goodly number of my ancestors and > their neighbors were in a local Cavalry unit which was organized in the > fall > of 1861 and became "G" Company of the First Cavalry Regiment in 1862 soon > after the battle of Shiloh. The original Regiment had 4 companies form > KY, > 2 from AL and 4 from TN which included the Hardin Co. unit. The AL > companies were soon transferred to Roddy's outfit in north AL. > > In 1864 when the First was close, Hardin Co., "G" company was allowed a > furlough. I think they actually may have been trying to recruit new > soldiers. In any case, after a couple of days in Hardin County, one of > "G" > Company soldiers was killed at his home by Yankee bushwhackers. Col. > Jacob > Biffle and the 19th with some members of the First Confederate were > organized to chase the Bushwhackers, going up Holland Creek to the > Waterloo > area and to a place called BLUFF CREEK > AL where a skirmish occurred. > > My question is: Where is Bluff Creek AL and is there a record or > tradition > of a Civil war Skirmish there? > > David > > PS: Bert Hays lived on Holland Creek. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Mahan" <mahan123@comcast.net> > To: <ALLAUDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:20 AM > Subject: [ALLAUDER] Lauderdale Families > > >> Good Morning All, >> >> Is there anyone out there? I know the Christmas season puts almost >> everything 'on hold' but this list is beginning to gather cobwebs! We've > had >> several people join the list since Christmas and they must wonder if >> there >> is another person on this list beside the list administrator. >> >> I'm going to start this off by telling you that I am currently >> researching > a >> former slave named John H. Rapier. His son, James T., was well-known and >> much has been written on him, but hardly anything has ever been done on > the >> father. Right now, I can tell you that John H. was a body servant to > Richard >> Rapier. Richard was adamant that John H. be freed. His will, dated 1825, > is >> almost totally devoted to the accomplishment of John H.'s emancipation. > John >> H. was born in slavery, about 1807 in VA and died a free man in 1869, >> Lauderdale County, AL. He purchased his first piece of land in 1831, so >> he >> definitely was set free. >> >> Tell us what you are currently working on! One of us just may have an > answer >> or two for you. >> >> Pat >> >> Pat M. 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I have not been able to find the parents of these two women. Does anyone have any leads? Sarah "Sally" Joiner born April 03, 1817 AL married Charles Brickley "Brick" Jones and Sarah Catherine Swinney born September 21, 1832 TN married John Matthew "Mack" McMurtrey Thanks for any help, Mary Ann

I am trying to find information on a John and Shotsy McClain, who were living in Lauderdale Co. on the 1870 census. John was born in 1822 in TN. Shotsy was born in 1828 in TN. They had a son named John who I think may be my great grandfather. Thanks Charlotte Christensen ly68@charter.net