Thanks. In this case, we're talking about my mother's grandparents and my mother lived on the same piece of property, plus there are many people who knew them who are still alive so we're sure we have the right names. No one ever heard them say they ran off to get married or any such thing. We just can't find any evidence of a marriage. They were relatively proper church-going people, so we figure they did actually get married. I even have a picture which was supposedly taken on their wedding day. Their first child was born in February 1901, so we figure the marriage was 1899-1900, even if she was expecting when they were married. There was no objection to their marriage by either family that anyone has ever heard. In 1900 his father was a coal miner in Jefferson County, living somewhere in the vicinity of Pleasant Grove and her father was a farmer living in the same area. The Caldwell family had been in Jefferson County since 1830. Her family had lived in Jackson County earlier, but had been in Jefferson County since sometime between 1887, when we know their last child was born in Jackson County and 1900, when her father is in the census in Jefferson County. I'm also going to check Jackson County while I am there. Maybe she had not been in Jefferson County long when they were married and returned to Jackson County where the Wheelers were numerous for her marriage. It's just one of those little loose ends, like who Mary Elizabeth Jones, Julia Ida's mother, really was and where her people came from. I want to find her death certificate and see what is says. I know she was born 22 Nov 1844 on Coon Creek in Jackson County and I know she died 04 July 1936 in Pleasant Grove in Jefferson County. I have names for her parents, but those names don't appear in a census record anywhere I can find. Her father is supposed to have been Willis Mason Jones of Virginia, and one of Ben and Julie Caldwell's sons was named after him, so that would seem to be a reasonably correct name. Her mother was supposed to be Ollie Armbruster. So, you might think you would find them near Coon Creek in the 1850 census, so but so far, there is no sign of them.