I bought several Cullman Co books on my trip there. They have them for sale at the Cullman Library -- including marriage index; cemetery books (all 3 volumes of Cullman Co Churches & Cemeteries); death index. I also ordered the Heritage of Cullman Co book from the Heritage Publishing Co just prior to my trip. It came in very handy as well. The Cullman Co Court House has a lot of old newspapers in their archives. We went searching there as well. Also visited several cemeteries in Cullman, Winston and Morgan co's. I got some of those on film (VHS). But thanks for the heads up about the newspapers at Ancestry. I'll have to check that out sometime in the future. I'm trying to fill in the gaps in the Jernigans right now but my Young ancestry still has a few holes in it as well that need patched ;-). That's the Cullman Co/Free State of Winston side -- the Youngs (Jones Chapel area specifically). Barry Jernigan College Grove, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] AL Marriage Index > Barry, > > My Aunt-in-law, Armie (Allred) Erwin was one of the numerous Cullman > County > Allreds (out of Randolph County, N. C.) who go back to a Revolutionary > War > veteran who settled there. Also, my friend David Crider's family is > Cullman > County. > > Did you see the Cullman newspapers online (Ancestry, I guess) full of > local > names in the 20th century)? > > Bill Erwin > > -----Original Message----- > From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Barry Jernigan > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:18 PM > To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ALJEFF] AL Marriage Index > > Ancestry.com has the Alabama Marriage Index from 1936 to 1969. It's in the > "Alabama Marriage Collection" database. Couples aren't listed together but > you can search by surname, county and/or date. Click the link to the > microfilm image of the marriage index itself. Note the county number > (alphabetically in order -- 1 is Autauga County and 67 is Winston County. > Jefferson County is 37); the date (sometimes a full date or sometimes just > the month and year); volume # and certificate # and then search by the > county and date for a match. Sometimes kind of tedious but very often > ultimately rewarding. Then, if you wanted, you could order a copy of the > marriage license. > > I thought about the people in that diary from 1930. Perhaps someone might > be > interested in searching for those names in the marriage index and seeing > who > they married. Might jog some memories a little more? Just an idea. > > Also, a little OT -- Ancestry has a similar database for Georgia and > Florida > marriages. Florida marriages go up to 2001. Those do list the couples if > you > follow the links to information about the actual certificates and it > usually > gives women's maiden names as well. > > I haven't checked out the Georgia marriage database but I will be doing so > soon. Also there is a divorce index for Florida (same time frame as the > marriage index) and a divorce index for Alabama but I think it's only from > 1950 to 1959. I haven't checked it out yet. > > Anyone know of an online database of marriages for Jefferson County for > the > early 1900s? Prior to 1936? Several of my great aunts and uncles married > there during that time frame as well as my great-grandparents. > > I'm going to have to make Birmingham my next research trip. I've already > got > one to Cullman Co under my belt and it was a very good learning trip. One > of > those trips where once you get there you wish you could just go off by > yourself and spend hours and hours just digging through everything rather > than sticking to some pre-arranged itinerary ;-) Especially in the court > house and also in the library. > > Barry Jernigan > College Grove, Rutherford Co, TN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Amen! Thank you. This has been suggested before, but........ ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Caroline my wife grew up in Jasper Al. Margaret Drummond. A Walker County Viking. Howard Martin ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Thanks to all!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "caroline" <carolineh@knology.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: [ALJEFF] Abbreviations > Referring to the following posts: > I found VDM as Latin for "voluns Deus: minister, one who serves God". > Source: "A to Zax, Comprehensive Dictionary for Genealogists and > Historians" by Barbara Jean Evans. Hearthside Press, 1978. > > LEMECS - the MECS *could* be Methodist Episcopal Church South > > Could "MC" after "JP (Justice of the Peace) be Master or Minister of > Ceremony? just a guess > > Caroline > >> From: "Doris Estes" <destes@pclnet.net> >> Subject: [ALJEFF] abbreviations >> I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I >> don't understand. Can someone help me please. >> OMG >> LEMECS >> JPMC >> VDM >> Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? >> Doris, >> >> I've seen MG for Minister of the Gospel and JP for Justice of the Peace. >> I >> don't know about any of the others.> >> Jim > >> From: "Terry Jackson" <jacksont@otelco.net> >> OMG >> Ordained Minister of God > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For the person who asked about Pete's, I knew I had read an article not too long ago in either the Birmingham News or a food magazine. I googled and found the article here: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/223467/birmingham_attractions_petes_famous.html No, we're not all too young to remember a shopping trip via streetcar to downtown and a Pete's hotdog at lunch - I can still smell the aroma when you entered the door of "the world's narrowest restaurant!" Evelyn S. Leslie

Referring to the following posts: I found VDM as Latin for "voluns Deus: minister, one who serves God". Source: "A to Zax, Comprehensive Dictionary for Genealogists and Historians" by Barbara Jean Evans. Hearthside Press, 1978. LEMECS - the MECS *could* be Methodist Episcopal Church South Could "MC" after "JP (Justice of the Peace) be Master or Minister of Ceremony? just a guess Caroline > From: "Doris Estes" <destes@pclnet.net> > Subject: [ALJEFF] abbreviations > I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I > don't understand. Can someone help me please. > OMG > LEMECS > JPMC > VDM > Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? > Doris, > > I've seen MG for Minister of the Gospel and JP for Justice of the Peace. > I > don't know about any of the others.> > Jim > From: "Terry Jackson" <jacksont@otelco.net> > OMG > Ordained Minister of God

We can't go to B'ham without going to Pete's for a hot dog and Grapico(sp?)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn S. Leslie" <esleslie@bellsouth.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: [ALJEFF] Pete's Hotdogs > For the person who asked about Pete's, I knew I had read an article not > too long ago in either the Birmingham News or a food magazine. I googled > and found the article here: > > http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/223467/birmingham_attractions_petes_famous.html > > No, we're not all too young to remember a shopping trip via streetcar to > downtown and a Pete's hotdog at lunch - I can still smell the aroma when > you entered the door of "the world's narrowest restaurant!" > Evelyn S. Leslie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello, it will be helpful for those of us receiving digest posts if, before replying to a post, members will delete the taglines such as "To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to . . . ". Also, delete previous postings or only leave the parts which are relevant to *your* current posting. More often than not, when receiving the digest form, the intent of the current post is lost when all the previous postings which aren't pertinent remain on the digest message. Thanks, Caroline Horton List Administrator for Bibb

You wrote: Burger-Phillips . . . And the children's shoe department where you could look down at your feet bones with x-rays? Little did we know. Poll Parrot shoes there. I'll add that The Guarantee Shoe Company also had the "x-ray machine" - sold Stride Rite shoes. Mr. Hartselle was the salesman, perhaps the store manager. (Why do I remember this after 55 years and can't remember what I did yesterday? :) I grew up in Jasper - we shopped in B'ham every month or so. A great day was lunch on the mezzanine at Loveman's and dinner at Joy Young's before heading home. Enjoying the memories - Caroline Horton, Prattville

In the late 30's and early 40's my brothers and I went to the Tarrant Theater for the serial and double feature. Then moved from East Lake Blvd in Tarrant to Inglenook being older we rode the # 22 street Car to Birmingham. Does anyone remember the Street Car with the trailer behind that we road to Phillips High School with no heat? Also the big 5 Dances at the Auditorium?? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

There are 16 infants listed on the AL Death Index, as died in May of 1930. [This is just the ones whose names were indexed as "Infant". There might be more who had been named.] You might recognize one of the names and could check the day. Here is a list from the index of ancestry.com Infants listed on the AL Death Indes who died in May 1930 Infant Alfred May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Charles Alfred Infant Biddle May 1930 Jefferson Inf of George Biddle Infant Brown May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of W. M. Brown Infant Clark May 1930 Jefferson Inf of Matthew Clark Infant Dixon May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Alice Dixon Infant Gishop May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Elbert Gishop Infant Gordon May 1930 Jefferson Inf of Tom W. Gordon Infant Gordon May 1930 Jefferson Inf of Tom W. Gordon Infant Green May 1930 Jefferson Inf of J.H. Green Infant Hicks May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Charles Lee Hicks Infant McCormick May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Will McCormick Infant Malton May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Malcoin Malton Infant Perkins May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of Grover Perkins Infant Shalton May 1930 Jefferson Inf of H.D. Shalton Infant Smith May 1930 Jefferson Inf. of D. Smith Infant Young May 1930 Jefferson Inf of Walter Young Hope this helps, Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] diary note > Monday, May 12, 1930 > "sat up with a dead little baby" > > wonder who this could of been, none that I know of in my family. > > He also mentions the Elks a lot, they must of had dances there. In the back > of this litle book is a "list of Easter Sundays to Year 1996", also a lot of > other things "everybody should know" i.e. > > "Strength of Belt Leather" > The tensile strength of good steer hide, well tanned, is as follows: > The solid leather will sustain, per in. of width, 750 lbs. > At the lacing, per in. of width, 210 lbs. > Safe working tension, per in. of width, 55 - 75 lbs." > > Velocity of Electricity > "A flash of lightning cleaves a cloud, appearing and disappearing in less > than a hundred-thousandth part of a second and the velocity of electricity > is such as would carry it in a single second over a distance almost equal to > that which seperates the earth and moon." > > January 26, 1930, Sunday - my birthday, I am 21 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.26/1120 - Release Date: 11/9/2007 9:26 AM > >

The Strand, Galax, Capitol, and Royal were close together on 2nd Avenue. The Capitol & Royal were on the north side, and the Strand and Galax across the street. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PsychSW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:20 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] names in my dads 1930 diary Just so weird that I never heard of them. Was there also a Galax and a Strand or are you just comparing them with others elsewhere? I do remember the Melba if we haven't mentioned that yet. I spent a lot of time in the Fairfield Theater on Saturdays when you could watch a double-feature and stay and watch again if you want to ... for the price of one admission. My family used to go out to eat on Friday night at Lochamy's next door to the Fairfield and then go to the movie. Laura I In a message dated 11/9/2007 6:27:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, wrerwin@nc.rr.com writes: The Royal, in that clump with the Capitol, Galax, and Strand, specialized in westerns and a serial. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OMG Ordained Minister of God ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nix" <lowhandicap@gmail.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] abbreviations > Doris, > > I've seen MG for Minister of the Gospel and JP for Justice of the Peace. > I > don't know about any of the others. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doris Estes" <destes@pclnet.net> > To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:40 PM > Subject: [ALJEFF] abbreviations > > >>I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I >> don't understand. Can someone help me please. >> OMG >> LEMECS >> JPMC >> VDM >> Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? >> >> Thanks, >> Doris >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just so weird that I never heard of them. Was there also a Galax and a Strand or are you just comparing them with others elsewhere? I do remember the Melba if we haven't mentioned that yet. I spent a lot of time in the Fairfield Theater on Saturdays when you could watch a double-feature and stay and watch again if you want to ... for the price of one admission. My family used to go out to eat on Friday night at Lochamy's next door to the Fairfield and then go to the movie. Laura I In a message dated 11/9/2007 6:27:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, wrerwin@nc.rr.com writes: The Royal, in that clump with the Capitol, Galax, and Strand, specialized in westerns and a serial. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Eastises in blood, I have pulled out the scroll that cousin Barton gave me at an Ellard Family Reunion several years ago. I made overlapping (boy, was that confusing!) of the whole thing in case anyone finds their own in the vicinity. Essentially, it presents settlers Jonathan Ellard (1794-1836) and his wife Rutha McAdams (1800-1859) and their descendants. The Ellards, Yorks, Bartons, and Eastises clumped down at what is nw Birmingham Airport and environs but not entirely. Much intermarriage over the generations. They had caught "Alabama Fever" after the Creek Indian cessions following the Creek defeat at Horseshoe Bend in 1814. Some came down from Tennessee after having seen these great well-watered (springs galore) as they went to or from with General Jackson. The real "hustlers," a very descriptive term, used in its good sense, got there early and gt the valley land. These families. They were yeoman farmers. Slavewners were all around them. There are lots of Eastises not here, because of the focus of the scroll and the author's not knowing their dates, marriages, etc. I assure you that those early families were and continue to be a veritable maze. All of the Eastises below, and/or their descendants are my cousins, in some cases perhaps more than once. Jonathan Massey (b. 1837) married Amanda Eastis (1843-1908) Descendants of Ellard, Massey, McAdams families - lots of Masseys Anna Catherine Ellard (1842-1910) married John W. Eastis Descendants of Ellard, McAdams, Montgomery (I am Montgomery also) Cathy Ellard married an Eastes (Yes, a final 'e') Descendants Ellard, Russell, McAdams Elizabeth Betty Ellard (1832-1913) married Daniel Eastis (1824-1881) Descendants Ellard, McAdams Children: James A. Eastis (1848-1917) m. Nancy M. Moses Mary Eastis (1852-1929) m. Winfield P. Reynolds Sarah E. Eastis (b. 1855) m. William Thomas Sims Isham Eastis (1857-1923) William M. Eastis (1860-1887) David Thomas Eastis (1865-1931) m. Lydia Lenora Owen Rutha Eastis (1869-1939) m. Rauley C. Earnest (1859-1904) The Montgomerys had some connection to Davy Crockett. It is recorded in a local history that Crockett stayed several days with James Montgomery , my ancestor in present airport area. Crockett came through maybe twice into this new area that was on the main Huntsville-Tuscaloosa Road. All I know is that Crocketts (gobs of them) married Montgomerys in Ireland and later in Virginia, etc. James died young in 1842, but his widow lived on into the late 1880s, carefully not remarying and having her property go to a new husband. James & Martha Montgomery were my great-great-great-grandparents. Their daughter Nancy Calista (d. 1858) married William Washington Ellard (1820-1899), son of Jonathan and founder of the Ellard Cemetery now in Trussville. Hence, the Montgomerys showing up here. Bill Erwin There are many other Eastises, a large family. I believe that one or more siblings of Jonathan Ellard were also settlers. It is written down elsewhere. So, there are more possibilities. I sense that there was a brother Meritt or Merrit.

Bill, since you mentioned funeral homes.Do any of you remember or have you heard of B.C.Vick funeral Home in B'ham in the late 1920s. They buried my ggrandmother and I can't find where they were located.Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] diary note It was a custom for some member of the family "to sit up" with the deceased. That custom was waning at my first funeral, that of Grandfather Erwin in late 1943. I remember the matter coming up, and either an uncle did it or it was decided not to. This was in the funeral home. Luquire Funeral Home. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Delilah Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:04 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALJEFF] diary note Monday, May 12, 1930 "sat up with a dead little baby" wonder who this could of been, none that I know of in my family. He also mentions the Elks a lot, they must of had dances there. In the back of this litle book is a "list of Easter Sundays to Year 1996", also a lot of other things "everybody should know" i.e. "Strength of Belt Leather" The tensile strength of good steer hide, well tanned, is as follows: The solid leather will sustain, per in. of width, 750 lbs. At the lacing, per in. of width, 210 lbs. Safe working tension, per in. of width, 55 - 75 lbs." Velocity of Electricity "A flash of lightning cleaves a cloud, appearing and disappearing in less than a hundred-thousandth part of a second and the velocity of electricity is such as would carry it in a single second over a distance almost equal to that which seperates the earth and moon." January 26, 1930, Sunday - my birthday, I am 21 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doris, I've seen MG for Minister of the Gospel and JP for Justice of the Peace. I don't know about any of the others. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Estes" <destes@pclnet.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] abbreviations >I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I > don't understand. Can someone help me please. > OMG > LEMECS > JPMC > VDM > Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? > > Thanks, > Doris > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wylam, etc. were neighborhood theaters. They were all over the city and suburbs. The Royal, in that clump with the Capitol, Galax, and Strand, specialized in westerns and a serial. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PsychSW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:01 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] names in my dads 1930 diary These were in Birmingham? I've never heard of any of them. Were they downtown or neighborhood theaters like The Fairfield Theater, Wylam Theater, Ensley Theater, Central Park Theater? Don't know about Pete's Hotdogs either. Tell us more. Laura In a message dated 11/9/2007 3:30:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, Ming0204@aol.com writes: Of all the old Theaters no one has mentioned the Royal. All Cowboys that where me and my two Brothers went next door was the Capitol and then the Pantage. I must be older than most. After the movie Petes Hotdogs, is Pete"s still in the hole? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was a custom for some member of the family "to sit up" with the deceased. That custom was waning at my first funeral, that of Grandfather Erwin in late 1943. I remember the matter coming up, and either an uncle did it or it was decided not to. This was in the funeral home. Luquire Funeral Home. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Delilah Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:04 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALJEFF] diary note Monday, May 12, 1930 "sat up with a dead little baby" wonder who this could of been, none that I know of in my family. He also mentions the Elks a lot, they must of had dances there. In the back of this litle book is a "list of Easter Sundays to Year 1996", also a lot of other things "everybody should know" i.e. "Strength of Belt Leather" The tensile strength of good steer hide, well tanned, is as follows: The solid leather will sustain, per in. of width, 750 lbs. At the lacing, per in. of width, 210 lbs. Safe working tension, per in. of width, 55 - 75 lbs." Velocity of Electricity "A flash of lightning cleaves a cloud, appearing and disappearing in less than a hundred-thousandth part of a second and the velocity of electricity is such as would carry it in a single second over a distance almost equal to that which seperates the earth and moon." January 26, 1930, Sunday - my birthday, I am 21 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I don't understand. Can someone help me please. OMG LEMECS JPMC VDM Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? Thanks, Doris