Like you Uncle Bud I was a clerk in the Yard Office. I started out in 1944 as a call boy messenger then Joined the Navy in February 1944 when returned from service I worked as a Clerk. I was a yardmaster, Generalyardmaster, Asst. Trainmaster at Boyles Yard. >From Boyles I was transferred to Nashville as Terminal Trainmaster then to Mobile Alabama as Asst. Supt. Terminal and last to Chattanooga Tn as Terminal Manager retired in 1986 and am still in Chattanooga. Would love to have a copy of Trains, Stations etc; as I worked as an Extra Stationmaster in the old L&N terminal. Im not familiar with the names you mentioned but have a good friend that still lives in Bham and Ive written him to see if can ascertain some information about this. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

He was my uncle. He also worked at the L & N Office. His job was to assemble the train crews. He was mayor of Tarrant for 16 years, four terms. No scandals. Erwin Dairy was my Uncle Robert Dudley Erwin. Dad said that Dud, the eldest, got help from his father in startup. Things got that Grandfather could not do likewise for the others. What did you do at L & N? My goodness! Nice to hear from a personal connection. Do you remember Kortheimer's Café across from the Roundhouse? Streetcar No. 22 went in front of it. Oft wen Dad went there to see somebody, I sat in the car and watched stretcars and any action of trains. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ming0204@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:09 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Trains, Stations,Facilities in Birmingham & Area World War II t... Bill: I remember Erwin Dairy worked at the L&N with Felix (Bud) Erwin. Bud served Tarrant as Mayor for a number of years. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just found this out while searching in the LDS website for the Prosch family of Jefferson Co, AL. Go to the website: http://www.familysearch.org At the top of the page you'll see links for Home, Search, Share & Library. Click the one for Search. On that page on the left side you'll see > International Genealogical Index. Click on that link. You'll get a search page with fields to fill in. You may fill in a surname (possibly even a full name if you know it). You must fill in at least the region -- North America. At the bottom of the Search fields there is one for Batch Number. These are the Batch Numbers I have found so far for lists of Jefferson County, AL marriages in the 1890s. M584738 for a list (alphabetically by surname more or less) of marriages from 1891 to 1893 M584741 for a list of marriages from 1895 to 1897 M745921 for a list of marriages from 1897 and 1898 I think it's possible that some of the marriages of the early part of 1897 are included in M584741 and the later ones for that year are included in M745921. Happy Hunting :) Barry Jernigan PS These Batch Number searches work for other lists -- for instance I hit upon once when searching for births in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. I sent an email to the website moderator asking how to find a list of what batch numbers go with what records but I didn't get the impression they even knew what I was talking about and gave me an answer about how to search generally on the website. PSS If I find anymore Batch Numbers for Jefferson County records I'll post them as well.

My mother said someone used to throw candy from the train in Apex. He would also stop and get watermelons from her father when they were ripe. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

----- Original Message ----- From: <Ming0204@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Names I am currently researching in Jefferson Co > Barry I remember a Jernigan that was an Engineer for the L&N RR Boyles > Al. > > Believe his given name war Jerry. Its been a long time back since I was at > Boyles Yard. > > HM Yep, that was Jerry Killough Jernigan, Sr. I think someone in the family said he used to throw candy to the kids in his family when he went by in the train. He also worked as an embalmer for awhile too. Not sure how you go from being an embalmer to being an engineer. Seems like a unique kind of career move to me ;-) Barry Jernigan

One last email about phtotos of Birmingham for now - A long list of sites for Birmingham photos can be gotten by using photos Birmingham Alabama for a Google search. [If you don't add Alabama, you will get a lot of photos from Birmingham, England] Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- is there a site where we can post our own photos?

Another site with Birmingham photos http://www.birminghamnet.com/birmingham-pictures/ I am not sure about whether one can submit phots to it. Home page for this is at http://www.picturesofplaces.com/ There are links for pictures in the US and other parts of the world. Melba Clark

Another site with photos of Birmingham is at http://www.bham.net/pictures/index.htm I just found it and haven't explored it yet, but it looks interesting. There is a note about contributing pictures to the site on the home page. Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- is there a site where we can post our own photos?

There is a link on rootsweb's "USGenWeb Archives Project - Alabama - Jefferson County" website for photos submitted by volunteers at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/al/jefferson/pictures.htm There are only two photos there now [the link for one of the photos is not working, one has to copy and paste the URL to see it.]. [Some other counties have many more photos in their archives.] I have some photos I think I will post. Instructions for posting photos are at http://www.genrecords.org/alfiles/photos.html There are a lot of cemetery and tombstone photos in the "Tombstone Photos" section [which is the same site as "Cemetery Records"] at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/al/jefferson/cemetery.htm [I am not sure why, but there is also a link to a different "Cemeteries of Jefferson Co., AL" on the "USGenWeb Jefferson County Alabama" site. [note: different from "USGenWeb Archives Project"] The link for the Archives Project is on the USGenWeb site. ---------------------------------------- The home page for USGenWeb Archives for Alabama is at http://rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/al/alfiles.htm On this page there is a clickable county chart. The USGenWeb Archives site specifically for Jefferson Co., AL is at http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/al/jefferson.htm The link on the Jefferson Co page for posting to the archives is almost hidden in the sentence: <<<If you have Alabama files you'd like to contribute to the Archives site, Click here to transcribe and send in your records or photos>>>> The link is the word "here" after "Click." ---------------------------------------- For those interested, the URL for the ALGenWeb home page is http://www.rootsweb.com/~algenweb/ There are county links listed there. There is also a search box for the site on this page. ALGenWeb for Jefferson Co., AL is at http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Ealjeffer/ This page has a lot of links to various types of information. ------------------------------------------- URL for USGenWeb [with links to all states] is http://www.usgenweb.org/ The sites for the states and counties vary as to the amount and type of information posted on them. All of the sites are free-access. A search box is on a page reached by the link "Project Archives" on the right side of this page. It takes one to http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/newsearch.htm Information about a lot of different "projects" of USGenWeb" is at http://www.usgenweb.org/projects/index.shtml ---------------------------------------- One final URL - The URL for the site map for the "USGenWeb Project" is at http://www.usgenweb.org/sitemap.shtml It is full of links for all kinds of information!! Hope this helps, Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> is there a site where we can post our own photos?

Barry I remember a Jernigan that was an Engineer for the L&N RR Boyles Al. Believe his given name war Jerry. Its been a long time back since I was at Boyles Yard. HM ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

All this talk about x-rays to see if the shoes fit makes me remember those shopping trips to find shoes for my "expensive feet". At least that is what the sales people in Decatur called them. The stores here never had anything long and skinny enough for my feet. The managers would suggest several stores in Birmingham. So we would go shopping for shoes when we were there visiting both my grandmothers. My sister and I did the recording thing as well. It was a small cardboard record with some kind of coating. The lady making it "interviewed" us, asking questions and then let us sing. I sang "Jesus Loves Me" [off-key, of course, sing I was and am almost tone-deaf!] My sister sang "Deep and Wide" which was a chorus we sang at church. And, oh, just thinking about it, I can almost feel the excitement of going to see those window displays at Loveman's and Pizitz's [sp?], and maybe other ones. The mechanical figures were something to behold! I remember going from store-to-store shopping with my dad's sisters. On one trip, after seeing Santa Claus at several stores, my inquisitive mind went into gear. I asked my aunts, how could Santa knew where we were going next and how did he always get there before us!! It's it great to be able to remember all those fun times from "back then"? Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- And the children's shoe department where you could look down at your feet bones with x-rays?

Bill how much I enjoyed this story of the trains.When our children were small my father carried them to ride on the Southern. Our daughter still remembers it today.

Bill: I remember Erwin Dairy worked at the L&N with Felix (Bud) Erwin. Bud served Tarrant as Mayor for a number of years. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Folks of Nostalgia, I just received a new book, and the section on the Terminal Station, inside and out, reminded me of the message the other day from the person whose relative worked in Terminal Station and called out the trains. I just got from the Louisville & Nashville Railroad Historical Society - to which I belong - Marvin Clemons & Lyle Key's Birmingham Rails, The Last Golden Era from World War II to Amtrak (271 pp) lavishly, beautifully illustrated and printed. It was a labor of love and shows it. Looking through it, I was tempted to tear. My copies are Nos. 856 & 857 of a limited edition of 1,800 copies. Included were limited edition, signed bookplates for each book. It includes all the railroads in and out of Birmingham and both Terminal & L & N stations and others nearby. A grand book. See the Society's website. I learned of it through the latest copy of the Society's magazine. My father was a long-time machinist for the coal-fired engines at Boyles Roundhouse, L & N's largest. Grandfaher Erwin was for 20 years in charge of the bridge maintenance crew between Montgomery to Decatur & the Mineral Route. He wrote proudly that his crew never suffered a serious injury or death. At one point he reported that the Cahaba River bridge could not hold engines over a certain weight. They ran one, and the passenger train went down costing the L & N a lot of money. Grandfather was a natural as a builder. His Grandfather Daniel Rector (d. 1837) built the first courthouse (two-story brick) in Blountsville and several other structures there and nearby in the mid-1830s. In the current Alabama Heritage there is a list of Alabama's most endangered structures. One of them, all illustrated, is the "Barclift House" in Blountsville that is one of the few remaining stagecoach inns in the state. Daniel Rector built it in the mid-1830s for his brother-in-law Judge James Hendricks. I found a letter in the Clay Papers at Duke from 1848, written by Governor Clay's niece as she and her new husband had traveled on their bridal trip from Huntsville to Tuscaloosa to his home, the "Battle-Friedman House" that is now a museum. The husband was a Battle. The trip took four overnight stops. The second was at "Hendricks' " that I thought was a village until much later when I discovered the tavern. Now, for you Massey folk, the second stop was with the "Widow Massey." This was on the great Huntsville Road not far east of its ford over Five Mile Creek, now the Hwy. 79 bridges. Dad took me to that wide, shallow, gravelly spot to wade when I was a kid. Only years later did I realize that was the ford. Just west the road went through the Erwin farm, not to mention relatives strung along it all the way to Pinson. It was clear from Sue Battle's remarks that her husband was well-known at the Widow Massey's. I presume that she is buried in our Greene Cemetery with so many other settlers and families. Bill Erwin So many memories of those trains out of both stations!

Depending "CP" could mean "colored person." Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doris Estes Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:24 AM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Abbreviations Thanks to all!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "caroline" <carolineh@knology.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: [ALJEFF] Abbreviations > Referring to the following posts: > I found VDM as Latin for "voluns Deus: minister, one who serves God". > Source: "A to Zax, Comprehensive Dictionary for Genealogists and > Historians" by Barbara Jean Evans. Hearthside Press, 1978. > > LEMECS - the MECS *could* be Methodist Episcopal Church South > > Could "MC" after "JP (Justice of the Peace) be Master or Minister of > Ceremony? just a guess > > Caroline > >> From: "Doris Estes" <destes@pclnet.net> >> Subject: [ALJEFF] abbreviations >> I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I >> don't understand. Can someone help me please. >> OMG >> LEMECS >> JPMC >> VDM >> Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? >> Doris, >> >> I've seen MG for Minister of the Gospel and JP for Justice of the Peace. >> I >> don't know about any of the others.> >> Jim > >> From: "Terry Jackson" <jacksont@otelco.net> >> OMG >> Ordained Minister of God > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Grapico was my favorite drink with barbecue. Speaking of barbecue, I never saw it anything except sliced until 1957 when I moved. Of course, I have since been introduced to far more of the abundant world of barbecue. My wife says that in Texas barbecue is a verb, and the joke is that they barbecue anything that flies, walks, and crawls. We once ate at a reknowned barbecue den in Llano - Oh, Boy! But you would not go in unless you had heard about it. We still talk about that place north of Austin. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:21 AM To: Evelyn S. Leslie; aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Pete's Hotdogs We can't go to B'ham without going to Pete's for a hot dog and Grapico(sp?)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn S. Leslie" <esleslie@bellsouth.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: [ALJEFF] Pete's Hotdogs > For the person who asked about Pete's, I knew I had read an article not > too long ago in either the Birmingham News or a food magazine. I googled > and found the article here: > > http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/223467/birmingham_attractions_petes _famous.html > > No, we're not all too young to remember a shopping trip via streetcar to > downtown and a Pete's hotdog at lunch - I can still smell the aroma when > you entered the door of "the world's narrowest restaurant!" > Evelyn S. Leslie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Aunt Lucille Erwin, a teacher of music and homeroom in the city schools, mostly Inglenook, was used to meeting friends for lunch at Joy Young's. It was not until I came to Durhan that I ate Chinese food. Now Chinese restaurants prolifrate - one even has Dim Som on weekends! - and Thai And Vietnamese (my favorite) and Indian. We are blessed. Bill Erwin I did dine in recent times at Joy Young over at Brookwood. For years we had barbecue at Ollie's, now gone. Always went there when visiting home. A college buddy in 1950s introduced me to Milo's wonderful cheeseburgers when he had his tiny place on 12th Avenue in Norwood. Later he moved down to 10th Avenue. People from every walk of life went there. I alwas go when down there. Mr. Milo is dead now, but his famous sauce lives. He was a Navy cook who tried to dress up their food. After the war he dressed up his burgers. I can still see his split-second slicing of onions. He NEVER spoke. His wife was most friendly. Even when my brother and I went there on visits home, she always knew us. At least Milo's burgers are still with us. -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of caroline Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:09 AM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALJEFF] B'ham memories You wrote: Burger-Phillips . . . And the children's shoe department where you could look down at your feet bones with x-rays? Little did we know. Poll Parrot shoes there. I'll add that The Guarantee Shoe Company also had the "x-ray machine" - sold Stride Rite shoes. Mr. Hartselle was the salesman, perhaps the store manager. (Why do I remember this after 55 years and can't remember what I did yesterday? :) I grew up in Jasper - we shopped in B'ham every month or so. A great day was lunch on the mezzanine at Loveman's and dinner at Joy Young's before heading home. Enjoying the memories - Caroline Horton, Prattville ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alas, I do not recall it. However, since all of us were so east/northeast based, I was seldom in the western - huge - part of the city. Maybe someone can check at ciy directory for you. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:43 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] diary note Bill, since you mentioned funeral homes.Do any of you remember or have you heard of B.C.Vick funeral Home in B'ham in the late 1920s. They buried my ggrandmother and I can't find where they were located.Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] diary note It was a custom for some member of the family "to sit up" with the deceased. That custom was waning at my first funeral, that of Grandfather Erwin in late 1943. I remember the matter coming up, and either an uncle did it or it was decided not to. This was in the funeral home. Luquire Funeral Home. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Delilah Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:04 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALJEFF] diary note Monday, May 12, 1930 "sat up with a dead little baby" wonder who this could of been, none that I know of in my family. He also mentions the Elks a lot, they must of had dances there. In the back of this litle book is a "list of Easter Sundays to Year 1996", also a lot of other things "everybody should know" i.e. "Strength of Belt Leather" The tensile strength of good steer hide, well tanned, is as follows: The solid leather will sustain, per in. of width, 750 lbs. At the lacing, per in. of width, 210 lbs. Safe working tension, per in. of width, 55 - 75 lbs." Velocity of Electricity "A flash of lightning cleaves a cloud, appearing and disappearing in less than a hundred-thousandth part of a second and the velocity of electricity is such as would carry it in a single second over a distance almost equal to that which seperates the earth and moon." January 26, 1930, Sunday - my birthday, I am 21 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm trying to fill in the blanks in my Jernigan family. My great-great grandfather was Rev. James Silas Jernigan. He had quite a lot of children. Some of them died young or as infants. The family originally came from Guntersville, Marshall Co. AL. Around 1890 or so they relocated to Jefferson Co -- Tarrant City area. According to other Jernigan researchers -- Jerry Jernigan Jr and Deb Young (and yes she IS related to me as well), James Silas was a founding member of the Dolcito Lodge of the Masons in Tarrant City. He had 3 sons who all reached adulthood and married and had children -- Frank (my great-grandfather), Harvey and Jerry Sr (Jerry Jr's dad). He had more daughters and some of them died very young. But the daughters who reached adulthood were Betty Jane Jernigan (married William Botters in Lowndes Co, MS and eventually relocated to the Atlanta, GA area where she died and where some of their many descendants still live); Margaret Ann Jernigan who married William Nicholas Prosch of Jefferson Co, AL and Blanche Mae Jernigan who married Virgil C(arthell?) Moon. I believe the Moons were from Marshall Co, AL and distant relatives of James Silas' wife (my great-great grandmother) Mary Jane Bodine. Some of the Moons relocated to Florida (Pensacola and/or Miami area). I think the Prosches stayed in Jefferson Co, AL. They were originally from Kansas City, MO (according to Deb and Jerry's research). My Aunt Ruth Mae Jernigan Denney Ross died recently but she sent me a letter some years ago that had the names of these people (her aunts and uncles). Frank was her father and his second wife, Ruth Elvie Ladd, was her mother. His first wife, Ella Mae Lindsay/Lindsey, was my great-grandmother. Both the Ladds and Lindseys have connections in Trussville area along with the Carlisles and tons of other connected families in that area. I have had correspondence from others here in reference to that. In fact, Ruth Elvie Ladd's mother was Huldah Massey whose photo is in Heritage of Jefferson County book. Oh, BTW Harvey William Jernigan married Ethel Nordmann (formerly Mrs. ? Ray). I believe her family was from either Montgomery Co or Elmore Co, AL. I've only cracked the surface on that line. But I did find the marriages of both of their daughters (they had no sons) in Elmore Co, AL. One married a Peak and the other married a Head. I think their combined families eventually relocated to the Macon, GA area where Harvey died. But he is buried in Jefferson Co, AL. Jerry Killough Jernigan Sr married Mary Edna Walls in Jefferson Co, AL. I checked out the Georgia Marriage Index at Ancestry.com and found that there are counties covered up to the year 1944. Unfortunately, none of them are in the Atlanta area so they wouldn't be helpful to me. Anyone know of any marriage index books for sale that cover the Atlanta area in more modern times? Like say the early 1900s up to maybe the 1970s? It also occurred to me last night to check out the LDS site for marriages from the early 1900s up to the 1930s for my familes in both AL and GA: http://www.familysearch.org So far in reference to the Botters, I'm down to the census and Georgia Death Index for starters. A trip to the Birmingham Court House and Library should fill in most of the Jefferson Co, AL part of the family. Or maybe there are good references for Atlanta, GA info there as well? Also, I'm certain I could get the Montgomery/Elmore Co info there too. I'm also interested in the history of the CLOW company. My uncle Frank Stilarski was a supervisor there at the branch in Illinois. He got my dad a job there. Another employee was Otis Logan. He and his wife June were great friends of my dad. They lived in Tarrant City. I don't even know if they are still alive. I wonder if there might be some family connection with them since we have so many other connections in that area. Also my dad's second wife was a Campbell from Tarrant City and I wonder if there might be family connections there as well that we don't know about with the Campbells. I do know one thing because I remember as a kid the Campbells talking about their father. He was a minister. Probably in Tarrant City. Barry Jernigan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Estes" <destes@pclnet.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] abbreviations >I am indexing some AL marriage records and finding abbreviations that I > don't understand. Can someone help me please. > OMG > LEMECS > JPMC > VDM > Does CP mean Cathotic Priest? > > Thanks, > Doris > Could the "MC" part be "Municipal Court"? Barry Jernigan