Good advice, Jim. Laura In a message dated 11/12/2007 2:25:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, lowhandicap@gmail.com writes: >From my own experience, let me suggest that when you're doing family research, particularly your mother's and father's surname lines, find out as much medical history as you can. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Could it be Mary Ball. It was very good candy we have their Chocolate Fudge receipt. In a message dated 11/12/2007 10:20:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, huban@graceba.net writes: One more trip down memory lane. All this remembering brought to mind a store that made and sold candy. I want to think it was on the corner close to Lovemans but does anyone rem. it and what was it's name?Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Good to know you have the DAR Patriot Index. I thought that Asa Riggs being a doctor may have helped in the Revolutionary War. But will keep you in my mind incase I come across some one else that might be in the DAR Patriot Index. Thanks Frieda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] B'ham memories >I have the 3 volumn of the DAR Patriot Index, I do not find a Asa RIGGS do > you another name? > delilah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frieda" <fjgb@sbcglobal.net> > To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] B'ham memories > > > | This still needs to be proved with more than just this one reference > but > | this is the one I had and it was on the Brindley Site Some of this is > | information just given to me. So read the whole thing. > | > | A thought Asa Riggs being a doctor may have help in the Revolutionary > War. > | He might be found in the DAR (I have that in my notes for next time I > go > to > | the LDSFHC. > | Asa Riggs b. abt 1743 Tennesse still to be proved married Mary > | Crawford 2 march 1769, Rowan Co., North Carolina Still to be proved > | . > | Franklin Co., Georgia Tax Digest Vol 2 1808 - 1818 Found at SLC > FHC. > | Then I started out many years ago I did not put down where I found > things. > | Also a Hallmark sent me a book with copies of many pages written years > ago. > | The Brindley's married into the Murphree's and the Easley's (who are > | related) Therefore bringing into the mix Asa Riggs > | > | > | Poll-a person age 21 or over who owned no taxable > property......indicates > | writing is unreadable, indicates the column was left Blank. > | 1808 Phebe Brindley for Frazar Brindley: Poll > | 1810 > | Frazar Brindley: poll and 1 Stud horse > | 1813 Frazar Brindley: poll > | SO WE KNOW STILL IN GEORGIA 1813 > | 1818 Asa Brindley: poll > | > | There is a Brindley site which some of this information has come from > | Phoebe was the first Brindley to call Alabama home. In 1819 as a widow > with > | nine children, she headed from Georgia to Alabama. Her husband had > | disappeared seven years earlier on his way to Texas. She settled in > | Murphree's Valley, just north of Oneonta, in Blount County, Alabama. > During > | these early days, almost all of northern Alabama was considered Blount > | County. Phoebe was a strong and courageous woan, who supported her > family > | through her weaving abilities. She sold her woven cloth to buy a cow > and > | thereby, support her growing children. She also was a good midwife , > which > | meant the difference between life and death to many early settlers. > Phoebe > | had learned the art of medicine from her father, Dr. Asa Riggs. When > called > | upon as a midwife, she mounted her horse, oft4en without provisions, and > | went to the aid of her neighbors. Even with all her efforts, life in > the > | widerness was rough. Mace would be 18 before he got his first pair of > | shoes. Phebe place importance on religion and education in her home, > and > | her effers were reflected in the successes of her family. > | > | Phoebie Riggs Brindley name is found on Eurterpsy Murphree's Tombstone. > She > | had two sons and six daughters. > | > | In the book The Heritage of Blount County on page 130 states that > Fraizer > | died in 1812 and that is when Mace and family went to Blount Co., > Alabama > | from Franklin Co., Georgia. > | > | Phoebie Riggs Brindley is found on the 1850 census living with Daniel > and > | Eudoxia Brindley Easley Blount Co. Alabama > | > | Pheby Brindlee is found in the census of 1853 Sub division #18 Blount > Co > ., > | Alabama on the 28th day of October Dwelling #38 She was born in Tenn. > | > | Phebie Riggs Brindley lost at least five grandsons in the Civil War > | > | > | Hope this leads you into more information (let me Know) > | > | Hugs, > | Frieda > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Really Great Advice! Thank you kind Sir. Bill Erwin DNA is going to help here also. -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Nix Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:24 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] What did you get from your parents? I hate to rain on all the fun we've been having, but this looks like a good place for a PSA (Public Service Announcement). >From my own experience, let me suggest that when you're doing family research, particularly your mother's and father's surname lines, find out as much medical history as you can. Find out if heart disease, cancer, etc. "run" in your family. In my case, knowing that my mother's side of my family has a strong incidence of vascular and heart disease saved my life. My mother and two of her brothers had surgery for Abdominal Aortic Aneurysms (AAA). My mother and one of her brothers have had strokes. My sister has had a brain aneurysm. Knowing that, I had myself tested and found that I also had an AAA. By having annual scans run, I was able to catch it when it started to "balloon." In 2002, I had surgery to repair my AAA. Without the surgery, I could (and likely would) have died. And there was never a single symptom. I didn't pay as much attention to the tendency toward heart disease and in 2003 had an "emergency" quadruple bypass when it was discovered that I had blockages as high as 99%. And my only symptom had been "indigestion" (which was really angina). I still may not be able to stop the onset of further incidents, but I do take medications to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I see my cardiologist twice a year. I still have regular scans for aneurysms. And, above all, I make sure that every doctor I see knows about all of these. And when you find these sorts of things in your family medical history, share that knowledge with your siblings and cousins - who are also carrying those same genes. Jim Nix ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peggy Thanks so MUCH for posting the "tree" below... my Dad was born at East End Hospital... I have his "birth card" they gave his mother when he was born...I could never figure out what hospital it was exactly... it is too funny because I don't live very far from there now... I was born and raised in Chilton County, and so I am not familiar with places and things in Jefferson County. Thanks again, Melissa ********************************************************************************************************************** Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:17:07 -0600 From: "PEGGYSUE O'Shields Gaddis" <PEGGYSOGADDIS@bham.rr.com> Subject: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital The name was "East End Hospital" then changed to "Medical Center East" then changed now to "St.Vincent East" Us older ones sometimes call it East End now, you can tell how old we are. Peggy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

There is a Jesse Riggs 48 [b 1802] listed line 41 on the 1850 census for Marion Co., AL page 144A. He was listed as born in TN. With him: Line 42 Rebecca 48 b GA [last line on page] Next page-144B: Line 1 Mary T Riggs 78 b TN Martha S 9 b AL Next: Line 3 Henderson Riggs 20 b AL Sarah A 20 b TN Rebecca J 1/12 b AL Next: Line 6 William Rigs [note spelling] 32 b AL Ann 29 b TN John M 15 b AL Andrew J 12 b AL William T 9 b AL James J 7 b TN Mary A 8 b AL Alexander 5 b AL Henry S 3 b AL Wesley 2 b AL Robert 1 b AL Matilda C 3/12 b AL Same page: Line 25 James Riggs 43 b TN Sarah 39 b TN Robert C 3 b AL Irvin W 2 b AL William 1/12 b AL Then they were listed on the 1860 census on pg 495B of Marion Co., AL Jesse 57 b TN Rebecca 57 b GA [No other Riggs on the page with them, the page before or the page after.] Could this Jesse be him? Since there is no record of white settlers in the Birmingham area in 1802, and reports that it was a sort-of-no-man's-land for the Indians, it is unlikely that he was born there. Hope this helps, Melba ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Riggs Kopp" <artnpeg@epix.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] B'ham memories >I am interested in the Phebe RIGGS mentioned in this post. Can anyone > provide dates, parents, etc., on her? > > My gr gr grandfather, Jesse RIGGS, is said to have been born abt 1802, > Birmingham, AL area. All of Jesse's 7 known children appear to have > been born in Jefferson and Lawrence Counties. > > Peggy Riggs Kopp

>From my dad, through his mom, I got my looks... brown eyes, straight dark hair, sense of humor, easy going nature & medical conditions She was a Dunagan, her father worked with the railroad they lived in Winston County but I am not sure if he worked in Walker, Winston or Jefferson Counties. His name was George Washington Dunagan. My dad was a Ward and they were in Jefferson County before Birmingham truly developed, family lore says that one uncle (would be a brother to Robert Jones Ward) sold 600 acres where north Birmingham is today and took the proceeds to move to Texas. The Ward Line is my Brick wall. >From my mother... I really can't say... not a lot of Persall in me though my son does have their hands and feet. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I hate to rain on all the fun we've been having, but this looks like a good place for a PSA (Public Service Announcement). >From my own experience, let me suggest that when you're doing family research, particularly your mother's and father's surname lines, find out as much medical history as you can. Find out if heart disease, cancer, etc. "run" in your family. In my case, knowing that my mother's side of my family has a strong incidence of vascular and heart disease saved my life. My mother and two of her brothers had surgery for Abdominal Aortic Aneurysms (AAA). My mother and one of her brothers have had strokes. My sister has had a brain aneurysm. Knowing that, I had myself tested and found that I also had an AAA. By having annual scans run, I was able to catch it when it started to "balloon." In 2002, I had surgery to repair my AAA. Without the surgery, I could (and likely would) have died. And there was never a single symptom. I didn't pay as much attention to the tendency toward heart disease and in 2003 had an "emergency" quadruple bypass when it was discovered that I had blockages as high as 99%. And my only symptom had been "indigestion" (which was really angina). I still may not be able to stop the onset of further incidents, but I do take medications to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I see my cardiologist twice a year. I still have regular scans for aneurysms. And, above all, I make sure that every doctor I see knows about all of these. And when you find these sorts of things in your family medical history, share that knowledge with your siblings and cousins - who are also carrying those same genes. Jim Nix

In a message dated 11/12/2007 1:13:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, diamond6468@mindspring.com writes: so what do you think you got from your mom and from your dad's families. I got my "common sense", logic and sense of humor from my mother and my imagination and creativity from my dad. I also got my brown eyes and fairly straight brown hair from her maternal side, but generally I look like my paternal grandmother which is weird since my dad's maternal side are all blue-eyed and very curly haired. I inherited a genetic condition from my mother's paternal side, CMT, which affects gait and balance. Genetics and genealogy are so interesting. Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

The name was "East End Hospital" then changed to "Medical Center East" then changed now to "St.Vincent East" Us older ones sometimes call it East End now, you can tell how old we are. Peggy

Carl Thomas' father or grandfather had something to do with the street cars, etc. Carl can you give us some info. deliah ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Trains, Stations,Facilities in Birmingham & Area World War II t... He was my uncle. He also worked at the L & N Office. His job was to assemble the train crews. He was mayor of Tarrant for 16 years, four terms. No scandals. Erwin Dairy was my Uncle Robert Dudley Erwin. Dad said that Dud, the eldest, got help from his father in startup. Things got that Grandfather could not do likewise for the others. What did you do at L & N? My goodness! Nice to hear from a personal connection. Do you remember Kortheimer's Café across from the Roundhouse? Streetcar No. 22 went in front of it. Oft wen Dad went there to see somebody, I sat in the car and watched stretcars and any action of trains. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ming0204@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:09 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Trains, Stations,Facilities in Birmingham & Area World War II t... Bill: I remember Erwin Dairy worked at the L&N with Felix (Bud) Erwin. Bud served Tarrant as Mayor for a number of years. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There have been a couple posts where they mentioned, they had 'hands', 'eyes', like their mom or dad, so what do you think you got from your mom and from your dad's families. delilah

what is this and can you put any info it, i.e. list of marriages, deaths, and any other info relating to the Jeff Cty area/Birmingham? does it take photos? delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melba Clark" <melbaclark@bellsouth.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Searching Extracted Marriages and BirthsatFamilysearch.org | Melissa, | Thank you for the list of batch numbers. This will save a lot of time for | us. | Melba Clark | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Melissa Hogan" <genealogistinal@yahoo.com> | | I posted additional information and batch numbers for Jefferson County - and | many other counties to the BGS blog. | > | > http://birminghamgenealogy.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/searching-extracted-marriages-and-births-at-familysearchorg/ | > | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Council Ellis, Clinton, and Edwin, sometimes more than one are in Ingram Family History II but not Talitha. Many of the Ingrams in the book descend from the marriage of Council Ellis Ingram (1853-1911) and his wife Lucretia Diadamia Hendricks (1855-1920). Lucretia was the daughter of William Holland Hendricks and his wife Ellen Jane Hanby. William Holland Hendricks was the son of David Hendricks, Sr., and his 3rd wife Assenath Holland. I descend from David's 1st wife Miss Major, and they are my great-great-grreat grandparents out of Pendleton County, S. C., into Blount County. Judge James Hendricks of the stagecoach tavern built in the 1830s was a son of David, Sr. So, I am half-kin to so many people in this book. Hallmarks. Not as many as I remembered. The names in the index are: Ann, Asberry, Barnett, Clara, Early, Early P., Frank, Fred, Jean, John, Lily, Mary Ethel, Nellie, Olive, Ronald, & Sarah Beth. However, these folk be not my kin. Council Ellis Ingram's mother married 2nd Asberry Hallmark, and these names, minus Asberry, are their children. So, I had forgotten that some lines in this book bypass Council & Lucretia whose descendants are my kin. This book, undoubtedly available in local libraries down there, has numerous illustrations including family reunions. Everything is more entangled than I hold in memoey. I notice Hallmark names in a reunion picture that are not in the index. Bill Erwin

Does anybody know of someone with the surname CREEK? My great grandmother's sister was Allie Morgan who married Will Creek. Allie was from Warrior, and I think Will was originally from TN.

Absolutely! -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RAdams505@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:22 AM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory MARY BALL! Best chocolate fudge ever made!

This still needs to be proved with more than just this one reference but this is the one I had and it was on the Brindley Site Some of this is information just given to me. So read the whole thing. A thought Asa Riggs being a doctor may have help in the Revolutionary War. He might be found in the DAR (I have that in my notes for next time I go to the LDSFHC. Asa Riggs b. abt 1743 Tennesse still to be proved married Mary Crawford 2 march 1769, Rowan Co., North Carolina Still to be proved . Franklin Co., Georgia Tax Digest Vol 2 1808 - 1818 Found at SLC FHC. Then I started out many years ago I did not put down where I found things. Also a Hallmark sent me a book with copies of many pages written years ago. The Brindley's married into the Murphree's and the Easley's (who are related) Therefore bringing into the mix Asa Riggs Poll-a person age 21 or over who owned no taxable property......indicates writing is unreadable, indicates the column was left Blank. 1808 Phebe Brindley for Frazar Brindley: Poll 1810 Frazar Brindley: poll and 1 Stud horse 1813 Frazar Brindley: poll SO WE KNOW STILL IN GEORGIA 1813 1818 Asa Brindley: poll There is a Brindley site which some of this information has come from Phoebe was the first Brindley to call Alabama home. In 1819 as a widow with nine children, she headed from Georgia to Alabama. Her husband had disappeared seven years earlier on his way to Texas. She settled in Murphree's Valley, just north of Oneonta, in Blount County, Alabama. During these early days, almost all of northern Alabama was considered Blount County. Phoebe was a strong and courageous woan, who supported her family through her weaving abilities. She sold her woven cloth to buy a cow and thereby, support her growing children. She also was a good midwife , which meant the difference between life and death to many early settlers. Phoebe had learned the art of medicine from her father, Dr. Asa Riggs. When called upon as a midwife, she mounted her horse, oft4en without provisions, and went to the aid of her neighbors. Even with all her efforts, life in the widerness was rough. Mace would be 18 before he got his first pair of shoes. Phebe place importance on religion and education in her home, and her effers were reflected in the successes of her family. Phoebie Riggs Brindley name is found on Eurterpsy Murphree's Tombstone. She had two sons and six daughters. In the book The Heritage of Blount County on page 130 states that Fraizer died in 1812 and that is when Mace and family went to Blount Co., Alabama from Franklin Co., Georgia. Phoebie Riggs Brindley is found on the 1850 census living with Daniel and Eudoxia Brindley Easley Blount Co. Alabama Pheby Brindlee is found in the census of 1853 Sub division #18 Blount Co ., Alabama on the 28th day of October Dwelling #38 She was born in Tenn. Phebie Riggs Brindley lost at least five grandsons in the Civil War Hope this leads you into more information (let me Know) Hugs, Frieda

I am interested in the Phebe RIGGS mentioned in this post. Can anyone provide dates, parents, etc., on her? My gr gr grandfather, Jesse RIGGS, is said to have been born abt 1802, Birmingham, AL area. All of Jesse's 7 known children appear to have been born in Jefferson and Lawrence Counties. Peggy Riggs Kopp Frieda wrote: > I would appreciate that very much. Eudoxia's father was Wilburn W. Hallmark > and wife Amanda Melvina Easley. Wilborn is oldest son of Mynatt and Polly > Calvert and Mynatt is the twin of Jessie Hallmark and one of the many > children of George Hallmark and Leannah Mynatt. Amanda Melvina is the > daughter of Daniel Easley and Phebe Riggs. Daniel is the son of Benjamin > Easley and Mary Murphree ( she is daughter of Solomon Murphree and Sarah > Ward). On my other side is the same location is my McDonald Family William > McDonald and wife Frances Lewelling. We thought we were related to the > Amersons as Benjamin Amerson was listed as father of Amos Young Amerson and > Elizabeth McDonald His Mother but DNA has proven him to be a Walker. Not > unreal as two of his mother Elizabeth McDonald's sisters married Walkers. > The Walker line has Indian Blood. Some of them were caught up in the Indian > Removal. So I am searching all sorts of area's with my Amos Young Amerson > who was raised a Amerson but from a Walker line. > > Back to the Hallmarks there are Many in Blount Co. I have Hallmark Books > also But not much proof of some. > > When I was a child I loved the radio program I LOVE A MYSTERY and I still > do. > > In my Research I have come across the Ingram line. > > In the Blount County book ther is a Clinton Ingram, Council Ellis Ingram, > Edwin Ingram, and Telitha Ann Fowler Ingram and there stories for each. > > Frieda

Yes, Yes! Catherine had heard about it. We drove up and peered at the cinder block building and wondered about the place. But it was on the "must" list. We walked down and started to open the screen door. The guy beside the ovens (like long, oversized oil barrels - well, Texas size)said, "You get it here." Then he opened up the oven, and there were all sorts of choices of things barbecued. We chose, he put our choices on butcher paper, and we took it inside, paid, and went to a big wooden picnic table. Bread was on the tables. Beans were simmering in a big pot in the corner. I guess there were pickle jars too. Wonderful barbeque and beans. We original colony folk were in wonderland. Deer heads all around the wall. A big sign on the wall listed in great detail the prices for all the things they could do to prepare your venison. Truly, we were, as they say, in the "deer capital of the world." It was one of the joys of our touring around, and we have much told the story of "You get it here." Dear Llano, go dine for us and wave to the far East. My brother and all his family are in Houston, in the Republic as I call it. He is an immigrant who has become a true citizen of thr Republic. Thanks. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of K Culpepper Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 AM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Pete's Hotdogs Hey, I live in Llano - I bet the BBQ house you speak of is Cooper's BBQ. On the weekends the deer hunters and tourists line the sidewalks to get in. You pick you meat on outside ovens then take it inside to eat. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: William Erwin<mailto:wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: 'Sandi'<mailto:sandi@doubleman.us> ; aljeffer@rootsweb.com<mailto:aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Pete's Hotdogs Grapico was my favorite drink with barbecue. Speaking of barbecue, I never saw it anything except sliced until 1957 when I moved. Of course, I have since been introduced to far more of the abundant world of barbecue. My wife says that in Texas barbecue is a verb, and the joke is that they barbecue anything that flies, walks, and crawls. We once ate at a reknowned barbecue den in Llano - Oh, Boy! But you would not go in unless you had heard about it. We still talk about that place north of Austin. Bill Erwin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:04:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, wrerwin@nc.rr.com writes: When the spears were thrown, they seemed to come out of the screen. We wore special throwaway glasses. Lots of people went to see this new thing. My first 3-D movie was House of Wax with Vincent Price and I think it was at the Alabama. Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com