Best story yet about Milo's - not to mention a real first! I had forgotten the iced tea - it was realy good. Mary Ball I cannot remember. Russell Stover had a corner shop middle of downtown. It was lovely. Gosh! Milo & Ms. Milo with him still working on the building. Loved those burgers! Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JC Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:03 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory 1. Saw Mary Ball store in Homewood on fire in the fifties. We were headed out to PCity and saw the fire. 2. Another note, Anyone in the Westend of the city remember a hamburger place right across from the entrance of the Fairgrounds, name was Dusty's or something like that. 3. Still another, I used to walk up 12th av going to work on 10th. I kept seeing this guy working on this little building and I stopped one day to talk to him. Turned out to be the guy that built Milos on 12 ave. Small building and I want to think I may have bought the first or close to it from him. His wife started coming up with a gallon jug of tea. He made a burger by throwing a chunk of meat on the grill and slapping it good with the spatula. Loved that place and what a nice couple they were. J. Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ming0204@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory > Could it be Mary Ball. It was very good candy we have their Chocolate > Fudge receipt. > > > One more trip down memory lane. > > All this remembering brought to mind a store that made and sold candy. I > want to think it was on the corner close to Lovemans but does anyone rem. > it and > what was it's name?Ann > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" <huban@graceba.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] Colias > For years I have tried to find someone that might remember where Chris's > restaurant was in B'ham.My G.father's sister married Chris Colias from > Greece. He had a Greek restaurant downtown in the late 20s or early 30s. > Am not sure .I need dates as to when this was in operation and it's > location. Can anyone help me? Thanks. Ann There is an article in the Heritage of Jefferson Co, AL book about a Greek restaurant called Bright Star. The name of the family is Koikos. Nobody named Chris is mentioned, though. Maybe just similar to what you're looking for but not the same family. The restaurant was founded in 1907 and is located in the same spot as then today -- 304 19th Street in Bessemer. Barry Jernigan

For years I have tried to find someone that might remember where Chris's restaurant was in B'ham.My G.father's sister married Chris Colias from Greece. He had a Greek restaurant downtown in the late 20s or early 30s. Am not sure .I need dates as to when this was in operation and it's location. Can anyone help me? Thanks. Ann

----- Original Message ----- From: <Ming0204@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Lovell's migrations eventually to Cullman, AL > My Lovell family were from St. Clair County. Like my Martin we came from > St. > Clair into Jefferson around 1820 living on the line of St. Clair and > Jefferson Counnties Wonder if yours might be from the Virginia Lovells. The report says the following: "Notes for George W. Lovell, Sr: George Lovell is rumored to have been of the first generation of this family to be born in America of a family in England. This was in an article written by June Lovell, wife of Robert Lovell in Blairsville, Georgia, and printed in the Heritage book for either Fannin or Union County. No proof of this. Earliest information from census is that George was born in South Carolina. There are many Lovells from a family in Virginia, but have not yet made a connection to any of those." I don't know how much research was done in reference to the statement about George being of the first generation born in America. There were Lovells in SC in the late 1600s and early 1700s. I'm sure some of them had children as well. So he could have been from several generations after the first of his family arrived here. Barry Jernigan

1. Saw Mary Ball store in Homewood on fire in the fifties. We were headed out to PCity and saw the fire. 2. Another note, Anyone in the Westend of the city remember a hamburger place right across from the entrance of the Fairgrounds, name was Dusty's or something like that. 3. Still another, I used to walk up 12th av going to work on 10th. I kept seeing this guy working on this little building and I stopped one day to talk to him. Turned out to be the guy that built Milos on 12 ave. Small building and I want to think I may have bought the first or close to it from him. His wife started coming up with a gallon jug of tea. He made a burger by throwing a chunk of meat on the grill and slapping it good with the spatula. Loved that place and what a nice couple they were. J. Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ming0204@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory > Could it be Mary Ball. It was very good candy we have their Chocolate > Fudge > receipt. > > > One more trip down memory lane. > > All this remembering brought to mind a store that made and sold candy. I > want to think it was on the corner close to Lovemans but does anyone rem. > it and > what was it's name?Ann > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> | Asa Riggs b. abt 1743 Tennesse still to be proved married Mary > | Crawford 2 march 1769, Rowan Co., North Carolina Still to be proved I checked North Carolina Wills: A Testator Index, 1665-1900 by Thornton W. Mitchell. No wills listed for any Riggs or variations of that surname for Rowan Co., NC. Surname Ricks in Abstracts of NC Wills for Chowan Co, NC and there were Ricks early on in AL. Think the name might have been changed from Ricks at some point? Just an idea. Barry Jernigan

My Lovell family were from St. Clair County. Like my Martin we came from St. Clair into Jefferson around 1820 living on the line of St. Clair and Jefferson Counnties.In a message dated 11/12/2007 6:49:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bjernigan7040@bellsouth.net writes: Lovells are mentioned in records of Greenville Co, SC and Haywood, Rockingham and Buncombe co's, NC in the late 1700s/early 1800s. Some of these Lovells relocated to northeast and northcentral Georgia -- Rabun, Habersham, White, Towns, Union, Fannin, Gilmer co's -- in the early 1800s until about the early to mid 1800s when some of these relocated to: Western central Georgia near the Alabama state line -- Haralson, Paulding, Polk, Carroll, Floyd co's. This is where my Lovells met my Lewis's. After the Civil War (as far as I know) in the 1870s some of both of these families (from Haralson Co, GA in my case) relocated to what is now Cullman Co, AL. I'm not familiar with any Jefferson Co, AL Lovells and I don't know where they fit in the family. There is no mention of Jefferson Co families (from what I remember) in the Descendant's report I have for George W. Lovell, Sr. But I may have overlooked it. Not counting the Endnotes the report is 67 pages long. I didn't compile any of the information or even contribute to it. A copy was given to me several years ago by my second cousin, Barbara Handley, who has since passed away. The most common place name mentioned in the report is Rabun Co, Georgia. There are a few places where Habersham Co, GA censuses are mentioned as sources of information but those are probably not even ten times in the report. Barry Jernigan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

My father died in East End hospital May 30, 1953. Heart attack, bad one, but lived three weeks, and we thought that he would make it. There was not much that could be done then. A number of Tarrant businessmen had heart attacks in a several year period. Most died, one at age 41 wih young kids. Dad worked two jobs, smoked like a factory, and was sedentary and overweight. I am constantly in mind of the fact that we now have lived into an age when so much more can be done. Personally I can tesify with Duke Medical Center closeby. East Lake Car No. 38 or 25 turned right off 1st Avenue, went a couple of blocks, and turned left at Cascade Plunge, went several blocks and there was East End Hospital, a two-story brick building. I graduated from Tarrant High at that time. We count our blessings in each generation. I must say that Coal Miner's Daughter certainly had a fine family to grow up in and remember. My wife's Polish grandfather immigrated from Galicia, Austria-Hungary, in 1905. That was in the Carpathian Mountain area. He was a coal miner in central Pennsylvania - probably in Austria-Hungary. He was Polish. He married a Ukrainian woman from the same area. They came through Ellis Island. We were touched to be there soon after it opened. Some of the 3rd generation is going or has gone to college. I once mentioned to my Palestinian restaurantur from Jordan how we were from everywhere. "That is the glory of America," he said. He and his family are the modern version of those hustlers (good sense) of the 1600s among whom I had ancestors in Virginia. My mother's family, both sides, were recent also - England and Switzerland. Our generation got to college. We are all "Coal miners' Sons and Daughters" one way or the other. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Hogan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:58 PM To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital Peggy Thanks so MUCH for posting the "tree" below... my Dad was born at East End Hospital... I have his "birth card" they gave his mother when he was born...I could never figure out what hospital it was exactly... it is too funny because I don't live very far from there now... I was born and raised in Chilton County, and so I am not familiar with places and things in Jefferson County. Thanks again, Melissa **************************************************************************** ****************************************** Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:17:07 -0600 From: "PEGGYSUE O'Shields Gaddis" <PEGGYSOGADDIS@bham.rr.com> Subject: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital The name was "East End Hospital" then changed to "Medical Center East" then changed now to "St.Vincent East" Us older ones sometimes call it East End now, you can tell how old we are. Peggy ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I receive this magazine in the mail and over the weekend it arrived at my parent's house and the latest issue has an article in their "State Research Guides" series entitled, "Alabama -- Find your family history in the heart of Dixie" by David A. Fryxell. The front of the magazine says this issue will be available January 15, 2008 on newsstands and at FamilyTreeMagazine.com Several websites and books are mentioned as reference sources. Unfortunately, many of the books mentioned are noted as being "out of print". Barry Jernigan

Well, Baptist Montclair has gone with a name changed also, but they were not as old as the East End Hospital; They changed to Trinity, but I for got the new name. And they are hoping to move out of the City limits of Birmingham, into Irondale soon. They hope to start the building next summer. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Hogan" <genealogistinal@yahoo.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital > Peggy > > Thanks so MUCH for posting the "tree" below... my Dad was born at East End > Hospital... I have his "birth card" they gave his mother when he was > born...I could never figure out what hospital it was exactly... it is too > funny because I don't live very far from there now... I was born and > raised in Chilton County, and so I am not familiar with places and things > in Jefferson County. > > Thanks again, > > Melissa > > ********************************************************************************************************************** > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:17:07 -0600 > From: "PEGGYSUE O'Shields Gaddis" <PEGGYSOGADDIS@bham.rr.com> > Subject: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital > > > The name was "East End Hospital" > then changed to "Medical Center East" > then changed now to "St.Vincent East" > > Us older ones sometimes call it East End now, > you can tell how old we are. > > Peggy > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Barry, you wrote to the Jefferson Co. list: "I checked some of the early census indexes for Alabama (including Madison Co) just now on Ancestry.com including the one for 1808 which does include Madison Co". I tried to find that census on Ancestry, but it doesn't seem to be listed. How can I find it? Margaret

I would say that the OLD East End Hospital was not an up to date of a Hospital for a long time, but when they moved to the newer location it is very good now. They are really up to date now. They have saved two of my sons lives. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital > My father died in East End hospital May 30, 1953. Heart attack, bad one, > but > lived three weeks, and we thought that he would make it. There was not > much > that could be done then. A number of Tarrant businessmen had heart > attacks > in a several year period. Most died, one at age 41 wih young kids. Dad > worked two jobs, smoked like a factory, and was sedentary and overweight. > I > am constantly in mind of the fact that we now have lived into an age when > so > much more can be done. Personally I can tesify with Duke Medical Center > closeby. East Lake Car No. 38 or 25 turned right off 1st Avenue, went a > couple of blocks, and turned left at Cascade Plunge, went several blocks > and > there was East End Hospital, a two-story brick building. I graduated from > Tarrant High at that time. We count our blessings in each generation. > > I must say that Coal Miner's Daughter certainly had a fine family to grow > up > in and remember. > > My wife's Polish grandfather immigrated from Galicia, Austria-Hungary, in > 1905. That was in the Carpathian Mountain area. He was a coal miner in > central Pennsylvania - probably in Austria-Hungary. He was Polish. He > married a Ukrainian woman from the same area. They came through Ellis > Island. We were touched to be there soon after it opened. Some of the 3rd > generation is going or has gone to college. I once mentioned to my > Palestinian restaurantur from Jordan how we were from everywhere. "That is > the glory of America," he said. He and his family are the modern version > of > those hustlers (good sense) of the 1600s among whom I had ancestors in > Virginia. My mother's family, both sides, were recent also - England and > Switzerland. Our generation got to college. > > We are all "Coal miners' Sons and Daughters" one way or the other. > > Bill Erwin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Melissa Hogan > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:58 PM > To: aljeffer@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital > > Peggy > > Thanks so MUCH for posting the "tree" below... my Dad was born at East End > Hospital... I have his "birth card" they gave his mother when he was > born...I could never figure out what hospital it was exactly... it is too > funny because I don't live very far from there now... I was born and > raised > in Chilton County, and so I am not familiar with places and things in > Jefferson County. > > Thanks again, > > Melissa > > **************************************************************************** > ****************************************** > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:17:07 -0600 > From: "PEGGYSUE O'Shields Gaddis" <PEGGYSOGADDIS@bham.rr.com> > Subject: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital > > > The name was "East End Hospital" > then changed to "Medical Center East" > then changed now to "St.Vincent East" > > Us older ones sometimes call it East End now, you can tell how old we > are. > > Peggy > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Could this Jesse be him? Since there is no record of white settlers in > the Birmingham area in 1802, and reports that it was a > sort-of-no-man's-land > for the Indians, it is unlikely that he was born there. > > Hope this helps, > Melba > Madison Co, AL was created in 1808 out of Cherokee and Creek cessions of land in what is now northern Alabama. I believe that is the first record of American settlement in northern Alabama. Mobile and Washington Co in the south had been inhabited much earlier (1700s). But, as you say, northern Alabama was not inhabited by any white settlers in 1802. I checked some of the early census indexes for Alabama (including Madison Co) just now on Ancestry.com including the one for 1808 which does include Madison Co (no spelling anything like Riggs in any censuses up until 1830 in AL at all). Closest in spelling is the surname Rice -- quite a few of those -- but no Riggs. Barry Jernigan

That is a great idea, I saw on TV an announcement that they were going to make a disc to fit on the backside of your watch that had all your medical info on it - I don't believe they could get all mine on one, lol. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nix" <lowhandicap@gmail.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] What did you get from your parents? |I hate to rain on all the fun we've been having, but this looks like a good | place for a PSA (Public Service Announcement). | | >From my own experience, let me suggest that when you're doing family | research, particularly your mother's and father's surname lines, find out as | much medical history as you can. Find out if heart disease, cancer, etc. | "run" in your family. | | In my case, knowing that my mother's side of my family has a strong | incidence of vascular and heart disease saved my life. My mother and two of | her brothers had surgery for Abdominal Aortic Aneurysms (AAA). My mother | and one of her brothers have had strokes. My sister has had a brain | aneurysm. Knowing that, I had myself tested and found that I also had an | AAA. By having annual scans run, I was able to catch it when it started to | "balloon." In 2002, I had surgery to repair my AAA. Without the surgery, I | could (and likely would) have died. And there was never a single symptom. | | I didn't pay as much attention to the tendency toward heart disease and in | 2003 had an "emergency" quadruple bypass when it was discovered that I had | blockages as high as 99%. And my only symptom had been "indigestion" (which | was really angina). | | I still may not be able to stop the onset of further incidents, but I do | take medications to control high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I see | my cardiologist twice a year. I still have regular scans for aneurysms. | And, above all, I make sure that every doctor I see knows about all of | these. | | And when you find these sorts of things in your family medical history, | share that knowledge with your siblings and cousins - who are also carrying | those same genes. | | Jim Nix | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

I don't remember the name of the theater as I was too young. However, I remember Saturday Matinees. I remember when Movie Stars came to the theater and one was Pat O'Brien. I sat on his lap and remember him telling me he wanted to take me home. I felt like I was sitting on top of the world. I saw Elizabeth Taylor, Allan Ladd, and many other stars for the first time in my life. Being the child of a Coal Miner we didn't have much money . So, my brother would pay to go in and when the Usher ( remember the guy's with the flash light) would turn his back . My brother would run down to the Exit door and let me and my sisters in. I wonder how many other children got in the same way? I remember chasing the Ice Wagon on a hot day just to get the chips of ice. The truck that had extra Watermelons and would toss one to my brother, who would throw it into the air, break it.apart. The piece would cover my little face. I have never had watermelon that good again in my life. I remember that wonderful cool smell it had. When it was cooler I remember pulling the wagon to the tracks from the coal being hauled away to pick up the pieces that feel off the train. To bring home to help keep warm on cooler days. . That is how poor the Coal Miners were, but oh, what Love they gave us. If I could have one person at my Thanksgiving table it would be my DAD....He would make up for all the rest of the ancestors. A Coal Miners Daughter... Now we all know why Loretta Lynn wrote that song. God Bless you Dad...

I have the 3 volumn of the DAR Patriot Index, I do not find a Asa RIGGS do you another name? delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frieda" <fjgb@sbcglobal.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] B'ham memories | This still needs to be proved with more than just this one reference but | this is the one I had and it was on the Brindley Site Some of this is | information just given to me. So read the whole thing. | | A thought Asa Riggs being a doctor may have help in the Revolutionary War. | He might be found in the DAR (I have that in my notes for next time I go to | the LDSFHC. | Asa Riggs b. abt 1743 Tennesse still to be proved married Mary | Crawford 2 march 1769, Rowan Co., North Carolina Still to be proved | . | Franklin Co., Georgia Tax Digest Vol 2 1808 - 1818 Found at SLC FHC. | Then I started out many years ago I did not put down where I found things. | Also a Hallmark sent me a book with copies of many pages written years ago. | The Brindley's married into the Murphree's and the Easley's (who are | related) Therefore bringing into the mix Asa Riggs | | | Poll-a person age 21 or over who owned no taxable property......indicates | writing is unreadable, indicates the column was left Blank. | 1808 Phebe Brindley for Frazar Brindley: Poll | 1810 | Frazar Brindley: poll and 1 Stud horse | 1813 Frazar Brindley: poll | SO WE KNOW STILL IN GEORGIA 1813 | 1818 Asa Brindley: poll | | There is a Brindley site which some of this information has come from | Phoebe was the first Brindley to call Alabama home. In 1819 as a widow with | nine children, she headed from Georgia to Alabama. Her husband had | disappeared seven years earlier on his way to Texas. She settled in | Murphree's Valley, just north of Oneonta, in Blount County, Alabama. During | these early days, almost all of northern Alabama was considered Blount | County. Phoebe was a strong and courageous woan, who supported her family | through her weaving abilities. She sold her woven cloth to buy a cow and | thereby, support her growing children. She also was a good midwife , which | meant the difference between life and death to many early settlers. Phoebe | had learned the art of medicine from her father, Dr. Asa Riggs. When called | upon as a midwife, she mounted her horse, oft4en without provisions, and | went to the aid of her neighbors. Even with all her efforts, life in the | widerness was rough. Mace would be 18 before he got his first pair of | shoes. Phebe place importance on religion and education in her home, and | her effers were reflected in the successes of her family. | | Phoebie Riggs Brindley name is found on Eurterpsy Murphree's Tombstone. She | had two sons and six daughters. | | In the book The Heritage of Blount County on page 130 states that Fraizer | died in 1812 and that is when Mace and family went to Blount Co., Alabama | from Franklin Co., Georgia. | | Phoebie Riggs Brindley is found on the 1850 census living with Daniel and | Eudoxia Brindley Easley Blount Co. Alabama | | Pheby Brindlee is found in the census of 1853 Sub division #18 Blount Co ., | Alabama on the 28th day of October Dwelling #38 She was born in Tenn. | | Phebie Riggs Brindley lost at least five grandsons in the Civil War | | | Hope this leads you into more information (let me Know) | | Hugs, | Frieda | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

My parents were newly married in January, 1930, and their first child, my brother Fred, was born in late October of that year. Nineteen months later another brother, Jimmy, was born. Then, a whole four years went by before I came along. My birth took place in a "shotgun" house, on the banks of Mile Branch (an historic creek, so named over a hundred years before due to its being a mile from the then-courthouse of the territory, which was the starting place for horseraces). My delivery was an in-home affair, with an old country doctor doing the honors. From these post-depression humble beginnings my parents gave their children unconditional love, tempered by appropriate discipline and role-models of honest, God-fearing/loving, simple country folk. Accordingly, thru the storms of my life, I've never felt alone because of the lessons we learned as we watched their faith at work. I was 9 years old before my daddy could scrape up enough money to buy money to even buy my mother a wedding ring. (She had used one worn by someone else in the family.) I never heard her say an unkind word about anyone, and both she and my dad were the most unselfish people I've ever known. We were poor in material things, but rich in our love for one another. It was a great shock to me when I found everyone was not raised in this way. I now own the land on which I was born, and it will be passed on to my daughter, and then to my 3 grandchildren. Thank God for staunch, unpretentious country folk, the backbone of our nation. Bonnie Farley Gary, Ms ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] What did you get from your parents? > There have been a couple posts where they mentioned, they had 'hands', > 'eyes', like their mom or dad, so what do you think you got from your mom > and from your dad's families. > > delilah Lazy right eye, Crooked frame (rib cage, hip especially one side a little higher than the other) from mom's side (I think). Also got the fiery Italian temper and tendency to be kind of loud (even in normal conversation) from that side. To us -- we're not loud -- but I've received strange looks and comments like, "Okay, calm down" from 'Outsiders' ;-) >From Dad's side probably the goofy sense of humor, like to make funny voices and things like that and he did that when we were kids. Bad eyesight from mom's side. Dark hair from both sides. Long legs and thin build from Dad's side. Mom gave me some pants of my Dad's when I was a teenager. He had worn them when he was in his 20s. I'm pretty sure (after seeing photos) that one of my sisters is big boned because some of the Lewis women were. Also along the same lines is an old photo of my gggg-grandfather. A spitting image of one of my brothers and everybody (except him of course) says so when they see the photo. Barry Jernigan

Lovells are mentioned in records of Greenville Co, SC and Haywood, Rockingham and Buncombe co's, NC in the late 1700s/early 1800s. Some of these Lovells relocated to northeast and northcentral Georgia -- Rabun, Habersham, White, Towns, Union, Fannin, Gilmer co's -- in the early 1800s until about the early to mid 1800s when some of these relocated to: Western central Georgia near the Alabama state line -- Haralson, Paulding, Polk, Carroll, Floyd co's. This is where my Lovells met my Lewis's. After the Civil War (as far as I know) in the 1870s some of both of these families (from Haralson Co, GA in my case) relocated to what is now Cullman Co, AL. I'm not familiar with any Jefferson Co, AL Lovells and I don't know where they fit in the family. There is no mention of Jefferson Co families (from what I remember) in the Descendant's report I have for George W. Lovell, Sr. But I may have overlooked it. Not counting the Endnotes the report is 67 pages long. I didn't compile any of the information or even contribute to it. A copy was given to me several years ago by my second cousin, Barbara Handley, who has since passed away. The most common place name mentioned in the report is Rabun Co, Georgia. There are a few places where Habersham Co, GA censuses are mentioned as sources of information but those are probably not even ten times in the report. Barry Jernigan

I have enjoyed following the sharing of memories of the Birmingham area. I note that several messages mention about family moving to Texas, or as one put it - the Republic. This is how the paternal side of my family got to Texas. My paternal GMother, Mary Lindsey (Mae) Allen McEver was born in Allen's Factory, AL (Marion County) on Feb. 6, 1878, the fifth of eight children of Lycurgus W (Joe) Allen & Annie R. Allen. The 1990 census shows the family in Jefferson County, Precinct 37 which is in Birmingham, I'm told. My paternal GFather, William Preston McEver, and his Brother Robert, moved to Birmingham from Gainesville, GA. He went to work for the railroad as a blacksmith. Will met and married Mae in Birmingham on Oct. 29, 1901 and Brother Robert married Mae's Sister Eva Allen around that time. My Father, Robert Major McEver, was born in Birmingham on March 13, 1911. He didn't remember much about Birmingham because the family of Will and Mae McEver moved to Hill County Texas in 1916. I visited Birmingham as a youngster in the 1940s to visit members of the Allen family but I don't remember which ones. What I ask of this mailing list, besides continuing to share memories with those of us in the Republic, is three-fold. If you are/know any of the descendants of my GMother's family listed below, please reply with info. There were eight siblings. One, Lindsey Melbourne, died at 4 years of age in 1974 so I have seven of the eight identified. Amelia W. Allen - born 1868 Rivers Allen - born 1873 Eva C. Allen - born 1875 Mattie L Allen - born 1881 Richard A Allen - born 1883 I'm looking for more details (maybe GPS data) on the location of Allen's Cemetery. I am unable to locate with the information provided at website - http://www.rootsweb.com/~alfrankl/a2.html#allen My GGParents are buried here along with their four year old son. I am planning a trip into the area to visit the area where Allen's Factory once was as well as Allen's Cemetery and any other locations in the Birmingham area I can identify. Where is/was Precinct 37 in Birmingham? Thanks again for sharing your memories. Birmingham in the 1930-1950 era sounds like a fun place. Does any have access to folks/records of what it was like at the turn of the century? Kindest regard, Robert McEver 713-272-0979 bmcever@sbcglobal.net