I know where the hospital is located today, but it sounds like it was probably elsewhere back in the early 50's - can anyone tell me where it was located then (maybe by street) - I am not familiar with where the Cascade Plunge was located. Melissa ----------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:40:05 -0500 From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Old East End Hospital <<SNIP>> East Lake Car No. 38 or 25 turned right off 1st Avenue, went a couple of blocks, and turned left at Cascade Plunge, went several blocks and there was East End Hospital, a two-story brick building. I graduated from Tarrant High at that time. We count our blessings in each generation. <<SNIP>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Did any of your Dunagan's move to Neshoba County, Mississippi, by any chance? My oldest brother, Gilbert Johnson, married a Ruth Dunagan (and I'm not sure if that's the way they spelled that name) from Neshoba Co. Sue (Johnson) Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALHOME4U@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] What did you get from your parents? > >From my dad, through his mom, I got my looks... > brown eyes, straight dark hair, sense of humor, easy going nature & > medical > conditions > She was a Dunagan, her father worked with the railroad they lived in > Winston > County but I am not sure if he worked in Walker, Winston or Jefferson > Counties. His name was George Washington Dunagan. > > My dad was a Ward and they were in Jefferson County before Birmingham > truly > developed, family lore says that one uncle (would be a brother to Robert > Jones > Ward) sold 600 acres where north Birmingham is today and took the proceeds > to move to Texas. > The Ward Line is my Brick wall. > >>From my mother... I really can't say... not a lot of Persall in me though >>my > son does have their hands and feet. > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just wanted to say "Hi" to you, Bonnie. I'm originally from Clarksdale, MS, up in the Delta. I graduated from Delta State College (now University) in Cleveland, MS in 1959. I now live way up in New Hampshire, so I'm a long ways from home, but still trying to find out more about my ancestors who were in Jefferson County very early - like 1816 - my ggg grandfather, Duncan Johnson, who was there then and on the census for Monroe County, which apparently included Jefferson and most of Alabama at that time. Anyway, where is Gary? I've been gone so long, I've forgotten where a lot of the smaller towns are. By the way, the names I'm searching in Jefferson are Johnson/Johnston, Ashby and possibly Cunningham. Sue (Johnson) Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bonniesfarley@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] What did you get from your parents? > My parents were newly married in January, 1930, and their first child, my > brother Fred, was born in late October of that year. Nineteen months > later > another brother, Jimmy, was born. Then, a whole four years went by > before I > came along. My birth took place in a "shotgun" house, on the banks of > Mile > Branch (an historic creek, so named over a hundred years before due to > its being > a mile from the then-courthouse of the territory, which was the starting > place for horseraces). My delivery was an in-home affair, with an old > country > doctor doing the honors. From these post-depression humble beginnings my > parents gave their children unconditional love, tempered by appropriate > discipline > and role-models of honest, God-fearing/loving, simple country folk. > Accordingly, thru the storms of my life, I've never felt alone because of > the > lessons we learned as we watched their faith at work. I was 9 years old > before my > daddy could scrape up enough money to buy money to even buy my mother a > wedding ring. (She had used one worn by someone else in the family.) I > never > heard her say an unkind word about anyone, and both she and my dad were > the most > unselfish people I've ever known. We were poor in material things, but > rich > in our love for one another. It was a great shock to me when I found > everyone was not raised in this way. I now own the land on which I was > born, and > it will be passed on to my daughter, and then to my 3 grandchildren. > > Thank God for staunch, unpretentious country folk, the backbone of our > nation. > > Bonnie Farley Gary, Ms > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one have any info on the following: Daniel; F. Hodges marrying Maranda G. Wilkes, Bondsmen were: Daniel F. Hodges,, and Leroy H. Hodges August 25, 1855 at the home of Mary B. Hodges, married by Nathan Byers. <<Who is Mary B, Hodges?>> Peggy Gaddis

I was looking through the book last night. I didn't find my Israel relatives, who are well-documented as North Carolina and Virginia colonials. I did find what may be my South Carolina Betheas, listed under North Carolina and spelled Bethey. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Pasquale's Stromboli Sandwich. Always one of my favorites. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PsychSW@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory > > In a message dated 11/13/2007 9:51:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, > jcharr@charter.net writes: > > Bush Hills school in Central Park. > > > Bush Hills school was in the Ensley area. I wish I could remember > Duffy's > or Dusty's near the Fairgrounds, but nothing comes to mind. I remember > Constantines and Pasquales and The Hickory Hut and the Frost-Top ... all > near there. > Laura

What a touching message! My mother was a coal miner's daughter, too. She told me some about life in the mining camps. She was the oldest of eleven children. There were many hard times for them. As the oldest, she later became like a second mother for some of her younger siblings. I was "almost" a miner's daughter. My father was in a mining explosion at the Lewisburg mine before he and mother met. He continued working in the mine. When I was about one year old, he became seriously ill. After recovering, he was told by a doctor that he needed to get out of the mines for his health's sake. So when I was two years old, he moved us north so he could work at the Ingalls Shipyard in Decatur. He was bothered by arthritis all his life, but never complained. The extreme cold in the winter and extreme heat in the summer while doing his job could not have been easy, but he persevered until retirement and provided for us. We were never rich in material things, but rich in love and the Christian example both Mother and Daddy gave us. I too wish that my parents would be with us again on Thanksgiving. Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: <wla@execpc.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: [ALJEFF] Movie Theatres If I could have one person at my > Thanksgiving table it would be my DAD....He would make up for all the > rest of the ancestors. A Coal Miners Daughter... Now we all know why > Loretta Lynn wrote that song. God Bless you Dad...

Always remember Milo in his white pants and apron and a crewcut. A very nice man and the little place did not have seats to begin with,. You ordered at a swing up window. I was just out of HS and on my first job. Nice memories of B'ham. The Mary Ball store that burned was in Homewood. Dusty's or Duffy's was in west B'ham. near fairgrounds. My dad and myself were tearing down a salvage house next to Bush Hills school in Central Park. (I think) We had lunch there every day for a two to three weeks. Another good memory. jch ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory > Best story yet about Milo's - not to mention a real first! I had forgotten > the iced tea - it was realy good. > > Mary Ball I cannot remember. Russell Stover had a corner shop middle of > downtown. It was lovely. > > Gosh! Milo & Ms. Milo with him still working on the building. Loved those > burgers! > > Bill Erwin > > : aljeffer@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] memory > > 1. Saw Mary Ball store in Homewood on fire in the fifties. We were headed > out to PCity and saw the fire. > 2. Another note, Anyone in the Westend of the city remember a hamburger > place right across from the entrance of the Fairgrounds, name was Dusty's > or > something like that. > 3. Still another, I used to walk up 12th av going to work on 10th. I kept > seeing this guy working on this little building and I stopped one day to > talk to him. Turned out to be the guy that built Milos on 12 ave. Small > building and I want to think I may have bought the first or close to it > from > him. His wife started coming up with a gallon jug of tea. He made a burger > by throwing a chunk of meat on the grill and slapping it good with the > spatula. Loved that place and what a nice couple they were. > J. Harris > : Re: [ALJEFF] memory >

There are 45 Riggs listed in the Patriot Index (www.dar.org/darnet - members' website) The first 4 are Aaron from Mass, Abner from Conn, Abraham from VA- problem noted with this line, and Amon from Maryland. Doris

I contacted JD Weeks who has researched Birmingham extensively and has published a book on Birmingham Then and Now and this was his response to the theater question and Pete's Hots Dogs. See below, Laura I know the locations of just about all the old movie and vaudeville houses. Have some pictures too. The old Pantages was originally built as a civic center building in 1890 and became the Bijou before becoming the Pantages. It later became the Birmingham Theatre and lasted until 1946. The Citizens Trust Bank is now located there on that site on the northeast corner of 3rd Avenue and 17th Street No. It is on page 70 of my new book, "Birmingham: Then & Now", which came out in April. In that book I have lots of the old buildings and places as they were 75 to 100 years ago and took pictures of what it looks like there today. I am downtown taking pictures all the time, was down there on Friday evening when I had a book signing at "Whats On Second"....and had some hotdogs from Pete's Famous as well. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I found this: "Jefferson County was created by the Alabama legislature on Dec. 13, 1819. It was carved out of Blount County and named in honor of Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States. The county seat was at Carrollsville from 1819-1821, at Elyton from 1821-1873, and since 1873 has been at Birmingham." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nix" <lowhandicap@gmail.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] 1808 Alabama census? > Bill, > > I haven't seen the maps that you were looking at, but I do know that > Jefferson County was cut out of what was earlier Blount County. I did find > a map that showed Blount County existing in 1817. > > There's an historical marker near the Jefferson County Courthouse that notes > when Jefferson County was founded and that it was formerly part of Blount > County. > > Jim Nix > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> > To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] 1808 Alabama census? > > >> Oddly, I just saw it several hours ago. I asked Google for Madison County >> Alabama 1816 Census, and up came all of the Madison County early stuff. >> >> I think that Jefferson - what I was looking again for - was in Monroe >> County. Covered a huge area. I could tell Jefferson part by early names. >> Mr. Prude and those around him - James or Jesse maybe, only Prude around - >> and Moses Fields. Try that. >> >> Bill Erwin >

Bill, I haven't seen the maps that you were looking at, but I do know that Jefferson County was cut out of what was earlier Blount County. I did find a map that showed Blount County existing in 1817. There's an historical marker near the Jefferson County Courthouse that notes when Jefferson County was founded and that it was formerly part of Blount County. Jim Nix ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] 1808 Alabama census? > Oddly, I just saw it several hours ago. I asked Google for Madison County > Alabama 1816 Census, and up came all of the Madison County early stuff. > > I think that Jefferson - what I was looking again for - was in Monroe > County. Covered a huge area. I could tell Jefferson part by early names. > Mr. Prude and those around him - James or Jesse maybe, only Prude around - > and Moses Fields. Try that. > > Bill Erwin

----- Original Message ----- From: <RaeSunshin@aol.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] Colonial Soldiers of the South book > This book is indexed on google.com and is included in the databases on > ancestry.com. Thanks, I'll have to check it out there as well. Some of the databases at Ancestry are only searchable and therefore you can't usually browse through those page by page -- as with the actual book itself in your hands. Barry

That is a thought . As we all have learned we must keep a open mind. Frieda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Jernigan" <bjernigan7040@bellsouth.net> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] B'ham memories > >> | Asa Riggs b. abt 1743 Tennesse still to be proved married Mary >> | Crawford 2 march 1769, Rowan Co., North Carolina Still to be proved > > I checked North Carolina Wills: A Testator Index, 1665-1900 by Thornton W. > Mitchell. No wills listed for any Riggs or variations of that surname for > Rowan Co., NC. > > Surname Ricks in Abstracts of NC Wills for Chowan Co, NC and there were > Ricks early on in AL. Think the name might have been changed from Ricks at > some point? Just an idea. > > Barry Jernigan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This book is indexed on google.com and is included in the databases on ancestry.com. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

and you are not sharing that chocolate fudge recipe??? It is almost Christmas you know ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Colonial Soldiers of the South, 1732-1774 by Murtie June Clark, has been available through Genealogical Publishing Co. Last time I checked it was out of print. This book is available at our local Smyrna, TN Library and I highly recommend it. It is absolutely huge and chocked full of lists and lists of soldiers arranged by states and then by divisions. I don't know for certain but I would bet that alot of relatives signed up together and served in the same units. The book sells for $36 and in my opinion is worth every penny. It's just out of print right now. Barry Jernigan

----- Original Message ----- From: "William Erwin" <wrerwin@nc.rr.com> To: <aljeffer@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFF] 1808 Alabama census? > Oddly, I just saw it several hours ago. I asked Google for Madison County > Alabama 1816 Census, and up came all of the Madison County early stuff. > > I think that Jefferson - what I was looking again for - was in Monroe > County. Covered a huge area. I could tell Jefferson part by early names. > Mr. Prude and those around him - James or Jesse maybe, only Prude around - > and Moses Fields. Try that. > > Bill Erwin > > I went through the Alabama census indexes at Ancestry a week or so ago and > wrote down these notes in my notebook for future references. I tried to > give the year of the census -- the counties covered in that year's census > and sometimes a little bit about the census itself like if they were > primarily French and I recorded the number of names total for the census > and the number of names for each county (if more than one county was > enumerated). 1706, Mobile (French), 12 1721, Mobile (French), 68 1764, Mobile (French), 63 1786, Mobile (mostly French but some non-French names like Johnson), 28 1787, Mobile (about half French and half American), 64 1789, Mobile (all French), 34 1805, Mobile (mostly American, some French), 16 1808, Washington, 103 1809, Madison, 612 1810, Baldwin, 6 1811, Baldwin (172), Indian Lands (106), Madison (1184), Washington (375) for a total of 1837 1812, Baldwin (12), Clarke (2), Madison (577) for a total of 591 1813, Baldwin (20), Clarke (333), Madison (9), Mobile (24) for a total of 386 1814, Baldwin (10), Clarke (54), Madison (43) Mobile (20) for a total of 127 1815, Baldwin (41), Clarke (144), Madison (1199), Mobile (32), Monroe (14), Washington (4) for a total of 1434 1816 Baldwin -- 189 Clarke -- 1203 Madison -- 2757 Mobile -- 232 Monroe -- 1643 Washington -- 559 Total -- 6583 1817 Baldwin -- 15 Clarke -- 106 Madison -- 8 Mixed Counties -- 10 Mobile -- 12 Montgomery -- 31 Total -- 182 1818 Baldwin -- 15 Bibb -- 16 Clarke -- 179 Dallas -- 12 Madison -- 54 Marengo -- 24 Mobile -- 156 Montgomery -- 14 Tuscaloosa -- 26 Total -- 496 1819 Baldwin -- 16 Bibb -- 54 Cherokee -- 1111 Clarke -- 181 Dallas -- 67 Madison -- 484 Marengo -- 26 Mobile -- 78 Montgomery -- 8 Total -- 2025 The federal censuses at Ancestry.com take over at this point. There are no state census indexes for 1820 or any year until 1830. The Greene Co State Census indexes are listed from 1831 through 1839 The 1840 Federal Census of Alabama is complete and online. The 1840 Alabama Pensioner's Index is online. There are 196 names and their ages are given as well. Almost all counties have at least one pensioner listed or more. I am presuming these are pensioners from the War of 1812? The 1850 Federal Census of Alabama is complete and online. The 1855 State Census of Alabama is indexed online. Covers just about all counties including Jefferson. I think from then on the Federal Censuses take over.

Just got it up and tried to forward it. Lists counties included. Jefferson names that early include Williamson Hawkins, John Barton, Jonathan York, Samuel Fields, Isaac Fields, Wm. Prude, Reuben Reed, James Cunningham - Cunningham, Barton, York, & Hawkins earlier at Ruhama (East Lake) than reported in books. These names will help orient the search. Barton & York are my "airport" people. I just noticed the assessors name at the end: Samuel Dale. That has to be Sam Dale famous for his canoe fight with the Indians on the river in way south Alabama - famous in our state history for junior high schools - grade 8 in my case. Madison County site has all sorts of early lists but area limited. Monroe is all over the place - US. Bill Erwin

Oddly, I just saw it several hours ago. I asked Google for Madison County Alabama 1816 Census, and up came all of the Madison County early stuff. I think that Jefferson - what I was looking again for - was in Monroe County. Covered a huge area. I could tell Jefferson part by early names. Mr. Prude and those around him - James or Jesse maybe, only Prude around - and Moses Fields. Try that. Bill Erwin -----Original Message----- From: aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aljeffer-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret L Smith Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:10 PM To: bjernigan7040@bellsouth.net; aljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALJEFF] 1808 Alabama census? Barry, you wrote to the Jefferson Co. list: "I checked some of the early census indexes for Alabama (including Madison Co) just now on Ancestry.com including the one for 1808 which does include Madison Co". I tried to find that census on Ancestry, but it doesn't seem to be listed. How can I find it? Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message