It sounds as though Elizabeth may have died sometime in the early 1870s. What is your documentation that the children were raised by an aunt? I would see if I could find out what religion they were and if they attended a church there. It may be that the church they attended has some records, if she did die. I would also see what newspapers were published during that time period and then either go to the library and look through some microfilms of those newspapers from during that time period for an obituary. I would also check to see if there was an outbreak of some kind in that area during that time, such as, tuberculosis, etc. If all else fails, you may be able to discern that she died from a disease like that... OR it is possible that she died during childbirth. Notice if there is a connection between the time she disappeared and the date of her last child's birth. You may have to do some digging, but the answer is there, somewhere, if not obvious, then you may have to decipher it from events going on during that time. -- Cheryl Hollingsworth cheryliz@directlink.net "Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://raogk.rootsweb.com" --

My husbands family had a BUNCH of Alabama folks who went on to Arkansas from Jefferson Co. and then many of them went on to Texas, and most of them, like yours, were AFTER the civil war. I know you've probably already tried these things but not knowing what you HAVE tried, well, if it were me, I'd go to the county in Arkansas and start working my way backward. I'd use census and pension records, even land records if they exist and try to track down when he died. A confederate vet has a good shot at having an obit on him, and it would very possibly mention when he came to Arkansas and when his wife died. Same thing with the kids and even better the aunt!! Their obits might mention there aunt who raised them "from the age of ... 3" for example. Its very very unlikely that you can find any kind of news article without a date, but you MIGHT be able to get a date, with some work. If you can find him in the 1880 census index (try Mississippi as well as the other two states) look at the 1870 and 1880 neighbors. Generally people travelled with friends and family. Then the birthdates/places of the children can help you to figure out WHEN he left. I wouldn't be at ALL surprised if Elizabeth died in childbirth, he sought the new frontier, and his wife's sister raised the children. It wasn't that unusual for the time. Men were rarely considered fit as single parents. THey usually either married immediately or a female relative raised the kids ... sad, but that's just the way they did it ... Bill Allen wrote: > > Is there some way to find out why the Champ LANGFORD / Elizabeth HAGOOD > family disappeared from Jefferson County, AL? > > Champ and Elizabeth married and lived in Jefferson County, AL. From > 1861-1865, Champ served in Company C (Jefferson Warriors), Alabama 19th > Infantry, CSA. Champ's family was in Jefferson County in the 1870 U. S. > census. They had a daughter in July, 1870. Then, in the 1870s, their > children were raised by the children's aunt, Belle (Hagood) Bevins. > After 1870, I've found no trace of Elizabeth. And I lost track of Champ > until he (without Elizabeth) applied for a Confederate pension in 1906 > from Craighead County, Arkansas. > > Why were the children raised by their aunt? What happened to > Elizabeth? Where was Champ for 36 years? What was a good ol 'Bama boy > doin' in Arkansas? Without a specific date, how could I find a news > story, an obit or some explaination? > > (I wonder if they lived in Jonesboro, Jefferson County, Alabama. > Because he's buried in Jonesboro, Craighead County, Arkansas.) > > Bill Allen <misterbill@pdq.net>

Is there some way to find out why the Champ LANGFORD / Elizabeth HAGOOD family disappeared from Jefferson County, AL? Champ and Elizabeth married and lived in Jefferson County, AL. From 1861-1865, Champ served in Company C (Jefferson Warriors), Alabama 19th Infantry, CSA. Champ's family was in Jefferson County in the 1870 U. S. census. They had a daughter in July, 1870. Then, in the 1870s, their children were raised by the children's aunt, Belle (Hagood) Bevins. After 1870, I've found no trace of Elizabeth. And I lost track of Champ until he (without Elizabeth) applied for a Confederate pension in 1906 from Craighead County, Arkansas. Why were the children raised by their aunt? What happened to Elizabeth? Where was Champ for 36 years? What was a good ol 'Bama boy doin' in Arkansas? Without a specific date, how could I find a news story, an obit or some explaination? (I wonder if they lived in Jonesboro, Jefferson County, Alabama. Because he's buried in Jonesboro, Craighead County, Arkansas.) Bill Allen <misterbill@pdq.net>

Cheryl, The Birmingham Public Library has an obituary file that has obits from the papers starting in the 70's. Contact them. I think they will copy and send it for a small fee. Their website is at http://www.bham.lib.al.us/ It has the address and phone number, etc. Hope this helps, Melba -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Hollingsworth <cheryliz@mailhost.directlink.net> To: ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, November 30, 2000 4:40 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] Look Up Request--Obituary for Nell Hollingsworth >Will someone who lives in Jefferson County, Alabama, please look up an obituary that would have been published in May 1990 (I do not know which day) for Nell Hollingsworth of Birmingham, Alabama. She was my great-grandmother and I am looking for an obituary for her in one of the Birmingham newspapers. I live in Dallas, Texas. > >Her full name was Nell (or Nellie) Caroline (Young) Hollingsworth. (Maiden name was Young). > >Please let me know if anyone can look this one up for me. > >Thank you! > > >-- >Cheryl Hollingsworth >cheryliz@directlink.net > >"Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at >http://raogk.rootsweb.com" > > >-- > >

Will someone who lives in Jefferson County, Alabama, please look up an obituary that would have been published in May 1990 (I do not know which day) for Nell Hollingsworth of Birmingham, Alabama. She was my great-grandmother and I am looking for an obituary for her in one of the Birmingham newspapers. I live in Dallas, Texas. Her full name was Nell (or Nellie) Caroline (Young) Hollingsworth. (Maiden name was Young). Please let me know if anyone can look this one up for me. Thank you! -- Cheryl Hollingsworth cheryliz@directlink.net "Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://raogk.rootsweb.com" --

Sarah Howard b 1857 d 1922, married Thomas J Parker b unknown died abt 1913, she was from the Shelby county area. Their daughter Mary Annie Parker b abt 1878 married James Thomas Glass 1895 in the Irondale area. I am seeking the family information of Thomas Parker, might of been first family assigned the early witness protection. I have been unable to find them for sure in the census believe they lived in shelby area earlier. On grandfathers application for delayed certificate of Birth he states his mother was born in Irondale. She was born about 1878 Thomas is said to be the brother of James Parker married Sarah's Sister Emma Howard, some one has to know something about the Parkers, Martin Parker was a friend of Andrew Jackson Glass. he vouched for him on his application for Civil war Pension. Andrew Jackson Glass is the father of James Thomas Glass. Please some one knows something.........George W. Parker had a farm near a glass family. Some how I feel Thomas Parker is related to one of these families. Andrew Jackson Glass lived in the Grants Mill area of Ala. (B'Ham) James Thomas Glass lived in the Moody Ala. area. Lynn LaBove llabove@camtel.net

Hi, Alabama Researchers: Just a note to let you know that I've recently added some genealogy personal pages and Alabama Civil War links to my website: http://huntsville.about.com/cs/genealogy1/index.htm This has genealogy info for the whole state of Alabama. If you sent me your URL, please be sure to check that I got it included. Thanks. Jean Brandau huntsville2@home.com

Claudia, I have to 2nd that. This is indeed an active, cordial and helpful list. Rare indeed. Winn

www.origins.net www.old-maps.co.uk ok here are two corrections. Thanks for all the warm notes, I am glad it has helped some others in their searches. Merry Ann

I belong to several other rootsweb list and I want you to know that none have been as quick to respond and as helpful as this list. Thank you so very much. I have an inhome business and can't do a lot but my only resource to help is that I have an Emanuel County, Georgia, Cemetery book if anyone needs a lookup. Of course Ga has a cemetery rootsweb list which would probably be more helpful. To all those that have helped, thank you again. Claudia

Historical Documents: www.lva.lib.va.us/dip/index.htm scanned documents at the VA state library www.glorecords.blm.gov bureau of land management http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/repehtml/repehome.html scanned documents on a VA site, Early Va religious petitions. from 1174 - 1802 individual letters. http://moa.umdl.umich.edu 19th century books that have been scanned and placed online Maps www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/cen_img.htm free scanned census records www.topozone.com topographical maps of the US for genealogy purposes because they show non-populated locations such as cemeteries. Online death records indexes www.mdch.state.mi.us/PHA/OSR/gendis/index.htm Michigan www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/search.cfm Ohio gttp://ukcc.uky.edu/~vitalrec/ Kentucky 1911-86 1987-92 genealogy auction sites www.auctionwatch.com (in search type genealogy) www.orgins.net United Kingdoms Society fo Genealogist web site in the works for uploading UK data www.old-maps.com.uk maps of England, Scotland and Wales 1850 - 1900

I am looking for ANY info on the following people. Max HEYMAN, (b. 1862, d. Oct. 1924) m. Belle HART, (b. 1868, d. Jan. 1932) possibly born and/or lived in the Gainseville, Cooke Co., TX area, as that is where some of their children were born. Buried in Elmwood Cemetery in Birmingham AL. Their children were: 1-Harry HEYMAN, b. 1894, m. Ruth ??? 2-Fred Feibelman HEYMAN, b. 1898, in Gainseville, Cooke Co., TX. He was a stationary salesman and moved to Birmingham AL., where he married Willie Mae GORE. 3-Regina D. (Dendie) HEYMAN m. ? 4-Sadie HEYMAN m. ? I believe Max may have had a brother named Harry also. Any help would really be appreciated. I am begining to think that this side of my family came from Mars!?!? Thanks for the reply, Kay R. Music

Claudia, There is a two-volume "Cemeteries of Jefferson County., AL" but neither of them include Elmwood Cemetery in Birmingham. I understand that the office there keeps records of those buried there. Address: 600 Martin Luther King Jr Dr SW Phone: 205-251-3114 Hope this helps, Melba -----Original Message----- From: CannadyGirl@aol.com <CannadyGirl@aol.com> To: ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] Elmwood Cem - Birmingham Surname Bull/Joiner >I am new to the list. Does anyone have a cemetery book for >Birmingham? >Addie Lee Cannady Bull Joiner and her husband Edward Olonza Joiner >are buried at Elmwood Cemetery in Birmingham. >I believe her mother, Nancy M. Cannady Bull, and her brother Ben Bull >are buried there also. I would like to have dates of birth and death. >Thanks in advance, >Claudia > >

I found this website and thought you all would be interested in this information. http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/fraud/fraud223.htm It talks about a man named Gustav Anjou who basically "made up" genealogical lineages for his clients for money and there are many genealogists who followed his works and re-published his information without verifying his information. I guess that this emphasizes the importance of using information you find as leads and finding the information at the first source of events. Happy Hunting! -- Cheryl Hollingsworth cheryliz@directlink.net "Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://raogk.rootsweb.com" --

I hope I don't get into any trouble for sharing this? All I am trying to do, is help people. I got this today: New at The Genealogy Searching Center Early American Pioneers Held Captive or Killed by Indians: Includes Surname Index Go to: http://genealogysearch.org/index.html#new Sincerely, Kay Robinson Music Shaking the trees for: BERRY, BOUNDS, EDNEY, GRADY, GRAY, GORE, HART, HEYMAN, HUGHES, LAVENDER, LEWIS, MUSIC/MUSICK, REED/REID, ROBINSON, WILSON, WRIGHT and a few more branches...

I am new to the list. Does anyone have a cemetery book for Birmingham? Addie Lee Cannady Bull Joiner and her husband Edward Olonza Joiner are buried at Elmwood Cemetery in Birmingham. I believe her mother, Nancy M. Cannady Bull, and her brother Ben Bull are buried there also. I would like to have dates of birth and death. Thanks in advance, Claudia

This reply needs to go to the list. I am not the one looking for it. I only sent a suggestion as to where to look for information on the person's last residence. Melba -----Original Message----- From: lmusic1@bellsouth.net <lmusic1@bellsouth.net> To: Melba Clark <melba.clark@gte.net> Date: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Gordon Heights???? >I found your Godon Heights on this site! It was in Birmingham. >Go to: >http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html >Happy Huntin' >Kay R. Music > > >Melba Clark wrote: > >> Have you tried looking in the city directories? There are some at the >> Birmingham Public Library. >> Hope this helps, >> Melba >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lynn labove <llabove@camtel.net> >> To: ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:49 PM >> Subject: [ALJEFFER] Gordon Heights???? >> >> >> Does anyone know any thing about where Gordon Heights was in Jefferson >> >> County, Alabama I believe it might of been in the area of Bessemer, Ala. >> >I >> >> am looking for the last residence of Sarah C. Howard Parker died 27 Aug >> >1922 >> >> also any information as to why an A D Tate, Bessemer, Ala RFD#Q box41this >> >> was an address they supplied. She is listed as being born in Shelby >> >County >> >> Widow of Thomas Jasper Parker. Buried in Union Cemetery Bessemer, Al. >> >> parents Jerry Howard and Patsy Goss llabove@camtel.net >> > >> > >> > >

I might have sent this to the person who replied. I meant to send it to the list. So if you get a double, so sorry. I found your Gordon Heights on this site! It was in Birmingham. Go to: http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html Happy Huntin' Kay R. Music

Have you tried looking in the city directories? There are some at the Birmingham Public Library. Hope this helps, Melba -----Original Message----- From: lynn labove <llabove@camtel.net> To: ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <ALJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] Gordon Heights???? >> Does anyone know any thing about where Gordon Heights was in Jefferson >> County, Alabama I believe it might of been in the area of Bessemer, Ala. >I >> am looking for the last residence of Sarah C. Howard Parker died 27 Aug >1922 >> also any information as to why an A D Tate, Bessemer, Ala RFD#Q box41this >> was an address they supplied. She is listed as being born in Shelby >County >> Widow of Thomas Jasper Parker. Buried in Union Cemetery Bessemer, Al. >> parents Jerry Howard and Patsy Goss llabove@camtel.net > > >

> Does anyone know any thing about where Gordon Heights was in Jefferson > County, Alabama I believe it might of been in the area of Bessemer, Ala. I > am looking for the last residence of Sarah C. Howard Parker died 27 Aug 1922 > also any information as to why an A D Tate, Bessemer, Ala RFD#Q box41this > was an address they supplied. She is listed as being born in Shelby County > Widow of Thomas Jasper Parker. Buried in Union Cemetery Bessemer, Al. > parents Jerry Howard and Patsy Goss llabove@camtel.net