Per Carl's instruction, google "tennessee coal and iron history", there it is; this is a very good website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > try Tennessee Coal and Iron - still exists > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > > > | Looking at his WWI Draft registration, Oather Tyler worked for TC&I in > 1917 > | or 1918; i think i've "googled" this query but haven't been able to dig > | far....... > | any ideas? > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> > | To: <[email protected]> > | Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:55 PM > | Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > | > | > | > At 05:40 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: > | >>yes or they were called trolleys - Carl, you the expert on this. There > is > | >>a > | >>photo of "Passengers in the late 1940's get off and on an East Lake > | >>Trolley > | >>from a raised platform in the middle of Twentitieth Street" > | >> > | >>This book was one of a series published a publishing co in Miami, > FL., > on > | >>several of the larger cities, Dr McMillan was from Auburn, he was a > pro > at > | >>AU and also a patient of the doctor I worked for. Since it is listed > in > | >>the > | >>Library of Congress, you may can see some of the photos by just > putting > in > | >>Malcolm Cook McMillan - the ISBN is 0-912458-40-2. > | >>I know that my children's grandfather was part of the HABS project and > | >>took > | >>many photographs over Alabama and the LOC said I could print them out > from > | >>my computerm this was a WPA project. > | > > | > My father worked for the old BRL&P {Birmingham Railway Light & Power > | > Co} from the end of WW I until his death in 1945. Initially he was a > | > trolley conductor {collected the money and tickets} but later became > | > a "dispatcher" responsible for keeping the trolleys and buses running > | > on schedule. > | > > | > The BRL&P was the predecessor of the Birmingham Electric Company, the > | > Birmingham Transit Company, and whatever the current public > | > transportation system is named. > | > > | > Before the electric trolleys came into use, there was a mule drawn > | > rail car that ran from the down town business section, southward > | > along 20th street, then up the steep hillside to Five Points > | > South. That was the end of the line and the turn around location. > | > > | > I have a very old photo of that mule drawn rail car. Will be happy > | > to share that and other old Birmingham area photos if someone can > | > tell me how to post photos ..... I don't think that it's appropriate > | > to "attach" them to regular notes such as this one ? > | > > | > Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee > | > > | > > | > ------------------------------- > | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | > > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm checking it out as we write! thank you so much ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > At 07:16 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >>Looking at his WWI Draft registration, Oather Tyler worked for TC&I in >>1917 >>or 1918; i think i've "googled" this query but haven't been able to dig >>far....... > > Use the following search term at google.com > > Tennessee Coal and Iron Company history > > and you will get several hits. > > Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes,he and his two brothers helped him .I would say it was about in the late 1920s or early 30s.Might have even been in the depression.Am not sure that the name is correct.His last name was Colias.

The Hillman Hotel was located at 312-322 North 19th Street. Go to _www.bplonline.cdmhost.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php_ (http://www.bplonline.cdmhost.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php) ? Best Wishes Joe

Could it have been the Morris hotel. This hotel was an old one that was standing in the late 40s. Ann

I've thought of that in my desparate moments; Queenie's dad was Wm. David Morris, and on all the census records he's listed as a farmer, so.......... it's still strange.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > The Morris was one of the forerunners to the Hillman - may be a relation > thee with her name being MORRIS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Hughes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > > > | Could it have been the Morris hotel. This hotel was an old one that was > | standing in the late 40s. Ann > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are sections of the city directories for Birmingham which are arranged by street address. One could look for the address in the 1945 directory and probably find the name of the hotel. The Birmingham Public Library has directories, as well as Wallace State College Library. The Birmingham Public Library has microfilm of newspapers of that time period. Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > Researching the following family names: TYLER/MORRIS/TIDWELL > > > My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a fall > from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in Birmingham. Was > that the Hillman Hotel? She passed away at the Hillman Hospital, was > buried at Mt Hope Cemetery, Brown-Service was the funeral home. Would > anyone have access to any news stories that may have appeared at that time > in any local newspapers? Or maybe even an obit?

Looking at his WWI Draft registration, Oather Tyler worked for TC&I in 1917 or 1918; i think i've "googled" this query but haven't been able to dig far....... any ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > At 05:40 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >>yes or they were called trolleys - Carl, you the expert on this. There is >>a >>photo of "Passengers in the late 1940's get off and on an East Lake >>Trolley >>from a raised platform in the middle of Twentitieth Street" >> >>This book was one of a series published a publishing co in Miami, FL., on >>several of the larger cities, Dr McMillan was from Auburn, he was a pro at >>AU and also a patient of the doctor I worked for. Since it is listed in >>the >>Library of Congress, you may can see some of the photos by just putting in >>Malcolm Cook McMillan - the ISBN is 0-912458-40-2. >>I know that my children's grandfather was part of the HABS project and >>took >>many photographs over Alabama and the LOC said I could print them out from >>my computerm this was a WPA project. > > My father worked for the old BRL&P {Birmingham Railway Light & Power > Co} from the end of WW I until his death in 1945. Initially he was a > trolley conductor {collected the money and tickets} but later became > a "dispatcher" responsible for keeping the trolleys and buses running > on schedule. > > The BRL&P was the predecessor of the Birmingham Electric Company, the > Birmingham Transit Company, and whatever the current public > transportation system is named. > > Before the electric trolleys came into use, there was a mule drawn > rail car that ran from the down town business section, southward > along 20th street, then up the steep hillside to Five Points > South. That was the end of the line and the turn around location. > > I have a very old photo of that mule drawn rail car. Will be happy > to share that and other old Birmingham area photos if someone can > tell me how to post photos ..... I don't think that it's appropriate > to "attach" them to regular notes such as this one ? > > Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You should be able to get an obit copy from the Birmingham Public Library on-line - they charge $5. but it is worth it, I was born at the Hillman Clinic in 1940, a free, charity clinic, no money then, no money now. The Liberty National Ins Co had a burial policy and it was called the Brown Service, but it was an ins burial policy, I still got mine, not worth but about $300.00 but daddy got one on all of us kids. I think Hillman was further south, like around S. 18th or 21st,(around where the UAB medical school is now) it may of been the Tutwiller, it was closer into what is now downtown and would be a north address. BTW I got an obit on a Charles Edmund MISSILLDINE, Jr., and I don't think it is mine. http://www.bplonline.org/ I didn't find the name on their database but I think you could get the librarian to look it up and copy for you. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | Researching the following family names: TYLER/MORRIS/TIDWELL | | | My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? She passed away at the Hillman Hospital, was buried at Mt Hope Cemetery, Brown-Service was the funeral home. Would anyone have access to any news stories that may have appeared at that time in any local newspapers? Or maybe even an obit? | | By the way, I enjoy all the stories the subscribers to this list have shared. I never had the opportunity to know my ancestors from your area and any recollections you may have help fill that void. | | Thank you in advance. | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also, Oather Tyler used to work for TC & I; any info floating around about them? Thanks again! And I'm going to check the website carl mentioned re: the books. New info!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > yes there is a Tutwiler Hotel, close to the courthouse - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > > > | At 04:05 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: > | > | >It could have been the Tutweiler (sp?) > | > | Don't think so. The Tutwiler was THE very elegant hotel in the > | center of down town Birmingham ... somewhere on 20th Street I think > | ... perhaps 3rd or 4th Avenue north. > | > | I believe that the original building is still there, but don't know > | if it's still used as a hotel, or by the same name. > | > | Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It could have been the Tutweiler (sp?) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carl & Martha Thomas Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports At 02:29 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a >fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in >Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? I don't think it was the Hillman Hotel, unless my old brain is failing. To the best of my recollection, the Hillman Hotel burned to the ground some time in the thirties. There was another hotel located very near the offices of the Birmingham News newspaper, and the above address might fit that one better. If so, perhaps an inquiry sent to the archives of the Birmingham News might be helpful. Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 03:37 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >I may be older than dirt too, but my mother told many tales about the >lake that was beside Lakeshore Drive in what is now Homewood. I don't >remember the actual name of it, but I do know that all that area across >from Samford formed a lake. The streetcar went out there from town and >it was sort of a resort. I think the library has some pictures of it >online. She talked about going out there to swim on the streetcar as a >young person. Later she and my father moved to Homewood rather near the >lake. I'd like to know when it was drained. Interestingly my mother's >sister recently lived in a townhouse which is on what was the bed of >the lake (as I understand it's position). I grew up in Birmingham. My recollection is that the lake was Edgewood Lake ... but as with the Hillman Hotel query, I might have that wrong. Perhaps others can confirm or correct. Yes, the Samford University campus is across from the old lake location. Originally Samford was known as Howard College, and the old original campus was out in an East Lake location. The old Howard College {Hard College} and the newer Samford University are Baptist affiliated. Also, Samford has very good genealogy resources .... probably related to their library in some way. I have a number of very old photos from ca. 1920 of BRL&P employees at the lake on picnics and swimming parties. My mother was one of them. Would be happy to share those photos, but I don't know how to post them to rootsweb anywhere, and I think they are not accepted as attachments to notes such as this. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

Never heard of it...did they serve Greek style food? Ann Hughes wrote: >Does anyone remember Chris's Greek restaurant in B'ham? During the late 20s and early 30s. He was in my family and I have been trying to solve a brick wall about his line. I love to read these stories.This is a part of out heritage which is what genealogy is about. Ann > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Describe that block for us so we can picture it too! Jim Nix wrote: >I can picture that block in my mind, but I don't remember a hotel of any >size there. That would have been about 5 blocks east of the main downtown >area. It would have been a small hotel. > >There was some discussion recently about City Directories. I don't remember >whether it was stated that the BPL staff would do look-ups. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:29 PM >Subject: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > > > > >>Researching the following family names: TYLER/MORRIS/TIDWELL >> >> >>My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a fall >>from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in Birmingham. Was >>that the Hillman Hotel? She passed away at the Hillman Hospital, was >>buried at Mt Hope Cemetery, Brown-Service was the funeral home. Would >>anyone have access to any news stories that may have appeared at that time >>in any local newspapers? Or maybe even an obit? >> >>By the way, I enjoy all the stories the subscribers to this list have >>shared. I never had the opportunity to know my ancestors from your area >>and any recollections you may have help fill that void. >> >>Thank you in advance. >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Did it have any fish in it? Alice Campbell wrote: >I may be older than dirt too, but my mother told many tales about the >lake that was beside Lakeshore Drive in what is now Homewood. I don't >remember the actual name of it, but I do know that all that area across >from Samford formed a lake. The streetcar went out there from town and >it was sort of a resort. I think the library has some pictures of it >online. She talked about going out there to swim on the streetcar as a >young person. Later she and my father moved to Homewood rather near the >lake. I'd like to know when it was drained. Interestingly my mother's >sister recently lived in a townhouse which is on what was the bed of >the lake (as I understand it's position). > > >Alice Campbell > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

At 02:37 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >I know nothing much about Birmingham, but I do know that for a time, >early on, one of the prominent hotels was the Florence. I don't know >whether or not it still existed in 1945. It is just another name for >your consideration. Oops, and apologies. My old memory did indeed misfire. It was the Florence Hotel that burned to the ground in the thirties. Incidentally, I don't think that there is any link between the Hillman Hotel and the Hillman Hospital except for the names. Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee

What was the name of that other hotel...I'd like to know for my records! Carl & Martha Thomas wrote: >At 02:29 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: > > >>My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a >>fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in >>Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? >> >> > >I don't think it was the Hillman Hotel, unless my old brain is failing. > >To the best of my recollection, the Hillman Hotel burned to the >ground some time in the thirties. > >There was another hotel located very near the offices of the >Birmingham News newspaper, and the above address might fit that one >better. If so, perhaps an inquiry sent to the archives of the >Birmingham News might be helpful. > >Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

That is correct, I was incorrect about that. I am still looking for the name of the hotel between 3rd and fourth and about 23rd and 24th north. Thank you, jc harris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > The Hillman Hotel was located at 312-322 North 19th Street. Go to > > _www.bplonline.cdmhost.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php_ > (http://www.bplonline.cdmhost.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php) ? > > Best Wishes Joe > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where was the Hillman hospital located? Was it next to any hotels that any of my relatives might have stayed at? Carl & Martha Thomas wrote: >At 02:37 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: > > >>I know nothing much about Birmingham, but I do know that for a time, >>early on, one of the prominent hotels was the Florence. I don't know >>whether or not it still existed in 1945. It is just another name for >>your consideration. >> >> > >Oops, and apologies. My old memory did indeed misfire. It was the >Florence Hotel that burned to the ground in the thirties. > >Incidentally, I don't think that there is any link between the >Hillman Hotel and the Hillman Hospital except for the names. > >Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

At 02:29 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a >fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in >Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? I don't think it was the Hillman Hotel, unless my old brain is failing. To the best of my recollection, the Hillman Hotel burned to the ground some time in the thirties. There was another hotel located very near the offices of the Birmingham News newspaper, and the above address might fit that one better. If so, perhaps an inquiry sent to the archives of the Birmingham News might be helpful. Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee