Jim, Scratch everything I've said so far. Google maps (hybrid) will give you an excellent picture of the lot. (pick the one with the 35203 zip) You can't tell what the business is today but you'll be able to get a better idea of where you're looking.

At 08:22 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >With all the talk about various places around town I have to share a story >that I was telling my grandson the other day. > >In the early 50's we were living in Bessemer, near Muscoda School, where I >started in 1953. We attended the Second Baptist Church (not the First), >which was near our home. After church on Sunday we'd drive up the Bessemer >Super Highway to what we'd now call a fast ffod restaurant named The >Skillet. (It was right next to those tepee-shaped cabins.) We'd get hot >dogs 15 for $1.00. That was a treat for our family of 5. Then the price >went up to 12 for $1.00 and we couldn't afford to eat there any more. > >I sure a lot of you can appreciate the times when money was that tight. > >Jim Nix Jim, You are a young fellow. Go back to the thirties. You could get a 12 ounce Pepsi for a nickle. In the mid thirties, our family generally had Sunday lunch at Bagwell's Cafeteria which was just across the street from the Birmingham Electric Company "car barn" for electric trolleys. The standard price was meat, 3 vegetables, bread, drink, and dessert for 25 cents !!!! In the late thirties, Bagwell raised that price to 35 cents. My father thought that was far too expensive, so we started going elsewhere for Sunday lunch. Carl, in Knoxville Tennessee

More details on your Mauldin line, please. Have 2 Mauldin lines out of Anderson/Pickens Co., SC.: John Mauldin (d. 1832) and wife Mary Laban Mauldin and I believe her name was Hamby (haven't worked this line as much as the other one) [email protected] wrote: >I don't understand so much seeming indignation and anger (?) about a few >meanderings into nostalgia. There really wasn't that much. Just a few >paragraphs tossed out here and there. Guess I'm not much of a purist. But I >apologize for offending anyone on the list to the point of their wanting to >unsubscribe. Guess they never had a Graysons milk shake. That's all I'm going to >say on the subject. Now back to genealogy. Quinn, Mauldin, Snead. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Jim, On second thought, now that you've pointed out your thoughts on the word "housekeeper", look at your address on MapQuest and do the aerial images. Wasn't Irondale a mining community? This home is across the street from the railroad track, even down the street from the "Whistle Stop Cafe"

At 08:13 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >Carl, i'm at the Library of Congress website, entered the ISBN number and >there are bunches of entries; any way to determine which have photos? Sorry .... I don't have any experience with using the Library of Congress web site. Will try to locate someone who might know, and if successful will ask them to post an answer to the Jefferson County web site. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

I really remember the Sunday nights after church at Christmas time we would go downtown to see the Christmas decorations in the stores, Lovemans's would have moving people in the widows. This has been fun to remember, especially if you have lived in the Birmingham all of our lives. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Music" <[email protected]> To: "ALJEFFER-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] James Roberts, Jim Nix & Everyone else......... > James, > I happen to be the one who sent the original e-mail to > the list about the newspaper article and asked the > question if anyone knew where Cascade Plunge was? > That's when the reminiscing started......and > personally I kind of like it. > I just checked PasswardCentral to see that I am on 40 > rootsweb mailing list. Some are almost non-existence, > never having anything come across the list, and > others, like this one will hit on a topic and flow > like water in a full mountain stream. If you think you > are raining on everyone's parade, you are simply > adding to the flow. > If I didn't like the e-mails I would be scrolling down > my list putting a check beside the ones that don't > interest me and hitting 'delete', INSTEAD of hitting > 'respond' to each and every one of them and getting > DOUBLEs back! > > Jim, > My 1st cousin once removed sent me the info on which > theater (Capital) it was that his dad Cary Carniff > Gore used to paint the posters at. He said he had an > Exit sign from it! I e-mailed him back and asked him > if he knew the location. I'll let you know what he > says ASAP. > I have at least one picture somewhere of one of his > posters. If you are interested I'll try to find it. > It's probably on my old desk top. > Thanks for the lovely e-mails. > > Everyone else, :-) > Thanks for all the lovely e-mails. I enjoy reading > them all. It makes me feel almost like I am there. > > Kay > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

At 07:48 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >One early photo is of the 1897 last run of a mule-drawn trolley in >Birmingham -- just mentioned by another list member. Yes .... that's the one. I have an original of that one. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

Jim, I did a MapQuest on the address. Thought it might give us some insight about where it might have been. It comes up on the backside of Irondale so that doesn't seem right. Terry Jackson deb & jim wrote: >Researching the following family names: TYLER/MORRIS/TIDWELL > > >My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? She passed away at the Hillman Hospital, was buried at Mt Hope Cemetery, Brown-Service was the funeral home. Would anyone have access to any news stories that may have appeared at that time in any local newspapers? Or maybe even an obit? > >By the way, I enjoy all the stories the subscribers to this list have shared. I never had the opportunity to know my ancestors from your area and any recollections you may have help fill that void. > >Thank you in advance. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Seeking information on the origins of Powderly, Alabama which is now part of Birmingham. When was Powderly annexed into Birmingham? I think the date was 1951 but I am not sure. Also do many old houses from the late 19th and early 20th centuries survive in this community? Is anyone familiar with Grasselli Chemical Company which operated near Powderly from the early 20th century into the 1940's or beyond? Grasselli Chemical Company was purchased by Dupont in 1928. Finally I am also searching for information for a small community near Powderly called Trevelick. Does it still exist? Thanks for any help offered with this query. Doug Purcell Eufaula, AL

The electric trolleys and electric trolley buses have been getting attention today and yesterday. A related piece of history that I think is not at all well known, even in Birmingham.................... When the electric trolleys were first coming into use, the old BRL&P constructed an electric power generating station in down town Birmingham. It was located generally on the SE corner of First Avenue North and 18th Street ... behind the row of offices and stores that faced onto First Avenue ... but north of the railway tracks that go along there. Coal fired electric power stations use a lot of water for cooling purposes. BRL&P adapted that power station so that a big part of the cooling water system was used in a large and very nice swimming pool for BRL&P employees. It was tucked away behind larger buildings so that it could not be seen from the streets. Even then, many people in Birmingham were unaware of its presence. As a child in the thirties {I was born in 1926} I can remember going with our family many many times to that BRL&P swimming pool. In colder months, excess steam from that power plant was piped underground to provide heat to many office buildings in the business area. I have a fairly large number of old photos made at that old BRL&P swimming pool. Would be happy to share them if I can learn how to post them in some way to some kind of GENWEB sites. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

At 07:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >There were lots of streetcars in Bham. Everybody rode them. There were the enclosed electric trolleys. Most would run in both directions, and had a place at each end where the motorman could stand and operate the trolley. The BRL&P also had a reasonable number of open sided rail cars that did not have any power at all. These had long step up boards along both sides. One or two of them could be pulled as trailers by one of the regular electric trolleys. Before WW II those bright yellow open sided cars were used to take the crowds back and forth to the baseball games at the old Rickwood Field and also to things like the annual Alabama State Fair. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

For this researcher anyway, it's impossible to separate getting to know and understand our forefathers from also learning about the times and places in which they lived. Sharing what we know about these enriches all of us and will, in turn, benefit future generations who will utilize (we hope) our genealogical research. It was exactly for this purpose that a book was recently published that covers most of the places (plus many more) recently discussed on the list. Subscribers to this list who are not aware of the book may want to check it out. A copy is at the downtown Birmingham Public Library Southern History Department as well as in several local branches. Although the emphasis is on the years from about 1900 through the 1960s (covering many of the list's recent topics), the book also has several chapters going back in prehistory including Indian mounds in the Birmingham area, a brief history showing how civilization moved into the area, and then how the steel/iron industry caused Birmingham to become The Magic City. A two-page map shows owners in 1870, just before incorporation of the city, of the various parcels of land that would become Birmingham. One early photo is of the 1897 last run of a mule-drawn trolley in Birmingham -- just mentioned by another list member. While the book's title is Central Park & a Bit Beyond, it actually contains history, maps, and photographs (many full page, 8 1/2 x 11, some 450 total!) of places "QUITE A LOT BEYOND." There are chapters with info and pictures of area elementary and high schools with many class photos and ID's; businesses, including a great nighttime view of the western sky lit up by the TCI Fairfield plant; downtown shopping and many department stores including a 1938 Pizitz window display offering a New Orleans Sugar Bowl trip and tickets for a grand total of $36.85!; drive-in theaters as well as downtown theaters (with street locations) including interior views; Lowe's Skating Rink, history provided by Mr. Lowe himself; restaurants including Joy Young's, Britling's, Thompson's, and the distinctive Igloo in Woodlawn; Vulcan at the Fairgrounds and afterwards; State Fair and Fairgrounds; paving of roads by WPA; Kiddieland; and even a chapter with local efforts and experiences during the various wars including work at the Bechtel-McCone Aircraft Modification Plant, food rationing, children's war efforts collecting rubber, metal, etc., and Birmingham's Harold E. Wilson who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. The book has been carefully researched with much factual information, but there is also a special chapter with recollections by several former residents who grew up in the 1930s-60s and who shared personal, sometimes sentimental and often amusing, memories of growing up in the area. There's much more -- too much to mention here. All in all, the book is a look back at places that were meaningful to many of our forefathers as well as to many of us -- and to a time that "was." If anyone would like more information, please write me off-list. Pat

At 07:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >Then came the 'trackless >trolleys' which had the overhead, but not the tracks. The rail type trolleys were preceded by mule drawn rail cars. I have an very old photo of one that ran from downtown Birmingham, south along 20th street, and up to Five Points South. The electric buses were known as "trolley buses." They were more flexible than the rail type trolleys, since they could maneuver in traffic, pull over to the curb for passengers, etc. Those were followed by buses with diesel engines, which were more flexible about routes. They were not limited to routes that had the overhead electric lines. Incidentally, the original rail trolleys used a single wire above the trolley. The rails themselves were the return route for the electricity. The electric buses did not have the ability to use the rails as the second electric line, so the overhead electric power lines had to be modified to accomodate the electric buses. Carl, in Knoxville Tennessee

SOURCE: THE BIRMINGHAM NEWS, SUNDAY, JANUARY 24, 1971 ENTERPRISE: U.S. Army Major (Ret) Charles Edmund Missildine Jr., 39, of 306 Holly Hill Road, Enterprise, who died Friday, was a Birmingham native. He was a helicopter pilot in the Army and served in the Korean conflict and in Vietnam. He was employed by the Federal Aviation Commission. Funeral will be 10 a.m. Monday at St. Luke Methodist Church, Enterprise, with military graveside services at 3:30 p.m. at Elmwood Cemetery, Birmingham, Searcy Funeral Home directing. Survivors included his wife, Mrs. Bettie Fuqua Missildine; two daughters, Beth Missildine and Leslie Missildine, all of Enterprise; his father, Charles E. Missildine, Sr., Atlanta; and a brother, Lt. Col. William E. Missildine, U.S. Army in Vietnam.

try Tennessee Coal and Iron - still exists ----- Original Message ----- From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | Looking at his WWI Draft registration, Oather Tyler worked for TC&I in 1917 | or 1918; i think i've "googled" this query but haven't been able to dig | far....... | any ideas? | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:55 PM | Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | | | > At 05:40 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: | >>yes or they were called trolleys - Carl, you the expert on this. There is | >>a | >>photo of "Passengers in the late 1940's get off and on an East Lake | >>Trolley | >>from a raised platform in the middle of Twentitieth Street" | >> | >>This book was one of a series published a publishing co in Miami, FL., on | >>several of the larger cities, Dr McMillan was from Auburn, he was a pro at | >>AU and also a patient of the doctor I worked for. Since it is listed in | >>the | >>Library of Congress, you may can see some of the photos by just putting in | >>Malcolm Cook McMillan - the ISBN is 0-912458-40-2. | >>I know that my children's grandfather was part of the HABS project and | >>took | >>many photographs over Alabama and the LOC said I could print them out from | >>my computerm this was a WPA project. | > | > My father worked for the old BRL&P {Birmingham Railway Light & Power | > Co} from the end of WW I until his death in 1945. Initially he was a | > trolley conductor {collected the money and tickets} but later became | > a "dispatcher" responsible for keeping the trolleys and buses running | > on schedule. | > | > The BRL&P was the predecessor of the Birmingham Electric Company, the | > Birmingham Transit Company, and whatever the current public | > transportation system is named. | > | > Before the electric trolleys came into use, there was a mule drawn | > rail car that ran from the down town business section, southward | > along 20th street, then up the steep hillside to Five Points | > South. That was the end of the line and the turn around location. | > | > I have a very old photo of that mule drawn rail car. Will be happy | > to share that and other old Birmingham area photos if someone can | > tell me how to post photos ..... I don't think that it's appropriate | > to "attach" them to regular notes such as this one ? | > | > Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee | > | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 07:16 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >Looking at his WWI Draft registration, Oather Tyler worked for TC&I in 1917 >or 1918; i think i've "googled" this query but haven't been able to dig >far....... Use the following search term at google.com Tennessee Coal and Iron Company history and you will get several hits. Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee

At 07:09 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >Also, Oather Tyler used to work for TC & I; any info floating around about >them? Tennessee Coal and Iron Company. Use GOOGLE.COM for that name, or for TCI. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

There were lots of streetcars in Bham. Everybody rode them. I remember the ones with the tracks and the overhead electrical connections. I believe there were 2 types of these - one trolley and 2 trolleys. The one trolley was the earliest I think. Then came the 'trackless trolleys' which had the overhead, but not the tracks. Then finally the buses. Then when everybody got cars the buses sort of petered out. They still run, but not nearly as often or to as many places. I'm not old enough to remember the streetcars going out to Edgewood Lake (Yup, that was the name. My feeble old brain just couldn't bring it up at first.) To the person with pictures of Edgewood Lake, I'd love to see them. Some of the mailing lists have a web page with a place for photos. If this one doesn't, I'd love copies attached to an off list post. Please.... And yes, there were fish in Edgewood Lake. After it was drained and probably things built in its bed, there was a great rainfall and the thing filled up again and the fish were back! Nobody could understand where those fish had been all that time the lake was dry. I never heard an explanation, just the marvel of it all. Alice

With all the talk about various places around town I have to share a story that I was telling my grandson the other day. In the early 50's we were living in Bessemer, near Muscoda School, where I started in 1953. We attended the Second Baptist Church (not the First), which was near our home. After church on Sunday we'd drive up the Bessemer Super Highway to what we'd now call a fast ffod restaurant named The Skillet. (It was right next to those tepee-shaped cabins.) We'd get hot dogs 15 for $1.00. That was a treat for our family of 5. Then the price went up to 12 for $1.00 and we couldn't afford to eat there any more. I sure a lot of you can appreciate the times when money was that tight. Jim Nix

your address is I think more to the Bessemer area -probably one of the DeBardeleben or Pratt mines ----- Original Message ----- From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | As I recall, the Tyler family lived in Dora or Bessemer and Queenie actually | worked at the hotel where the incident occurred; her occupation was | "housekeeper" so that could mean housekeeper at the hotel or housekeeping | which often meant on the census for a wife at home. My father, Fred Tyler, | and his brothers used to sell fruit and vegetables at a stand near the | hotel; this was in the 40's. | Also, Oather was employed by the railroad after the WPA; prior to that he | was a coal miner. Would love to find out which railroad he worked for. My | dad remembers the train coming by their house and throwing ice off for the | families in the area. The boys enlisted in the army to not become miners | for life. | | Again, I appreciate all the input. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:40 PM | Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | | | > yes or they were called trolleys - Carl, you the expert on this. There is | > a | > photo of "Passengers in the late 1940's get off and on an East Lake | > Trolley | > from a raised platform in the middle of Twentitieth Street" | > | > This book was one of a series published a publishing co in Miami, FL., on | > several of the larger cities, Dr McMillan was from Auburn, he was a pro at | > AU and also a patient of the doctor I worked for. Since it is listed in | > the | > Library of Congress, you may can see some of the photos by just putting in | > Malcolm Cook McMillan - the ISBN is 0-912458-40-2. | > I know that my children's grandfather was part of the HABS project and | > took | > many photographs over Alabama and the LOC said I could print them out from | > my computerm this was a WPA project. | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "James Roberts" <[email protected]> | > To: <[email protected]> | > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:37 PM | > Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | > | > | > | Did they use to have streetcars in Birmingham? | > | | > | JC wrote: | > | | > | >My GreatUncle ran the old Hillman when it was on its last leg, Middle | > 50's | > | >. If memory serves it was between 3rd and 4th avenue and about 23 and | > 24th | > | >st. north. | > | >I have been away a long time but I think thats right. The location the | > lady | > | >talked about may have been the old YWCA. | > | >jc harris | > | >----- Original Message ----- | > | >From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> | > | >To: <[email protected]> | > | >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:38 PM | > | >Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >>At 02:29 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: | > | >> | > | >> | > | >>>My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a | > | >>>fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in | > | >>>Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? | > | >>> | > | >>> | > | >>I don't think it was the Hillman Hotel, unless my old brain is | > failing. | > | >> | > | >>To the best of my recollection, the Hillman Hotel burned to the | > | >>ground some time in the thirties. | > | >> | > | >>There was another hotel located very near the offices of the | > | >>Birmingham News newspaper, and the above address might fit that one | > | >>better. If so, perhaps an inquiry sent to the archives of the | > | >>Birmingham News might be helpful. | > | >> | > | >>Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee | > | >> | > | >> | > | >>------------------------------- | > | >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > | >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > | >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | >> | > | >> | > | >> | > | > | > | >------------------------------- | > | >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes | > in the subject and the body of the message | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | ------------------------------- | > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes | > in the subject and the body of the message | > | > | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message