I will certainly never forget East Lake park. It was there, the summer of about 1940, that I and my girl friend went swimming and ventured out to the deep part, where the diving board was. I never learned to tread water, someone got in front of me just as I reached up for the concrete platform, and down I went! Some kind soul reached down and pulled me up and "laid me out" on the platform -- scared half to death. Needless to say, that young man was instantly my hero!

I remember the Joy Young fondly. It was the first "date" I had with the young man who later would become my husband and the father of my children. I was SO not accustomed to such luxurious dining and had never seen so many pieces of silver on each side of the plate. Because my then date saw my bewilderment, he very gently explained to me how to decide which fork to start out with! We ate in one of the booths upstairs and it was, to my 18 year old mind, a very special occasion.

Do you remember the John Hand First National Bank on 1st Avenue and 20th Street North? Just south of that was Morris Avenue, which was the dividing line between the "north" and "south" streets of Birmingham. All the streets/avenues north of Morris Avenue were "north" and all the streets/avenues south of Morris, going toward Five Points South, were "south" avenues.

In a message dated 10/20/2006 8:47:29 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: But the other two were saved, although the last time I visited Vulcan a few years ago, one of his arms was lying on the ground while funds were being sought for restoration. Vulcan is all better now. And the Alabama continues on. The lovely old train station should never have been demolished. I've seen what other places have done with theirs...shopping areas and restaurants, hotels, etc. Ours was replaced with low income housing.

In a message dated 10/20/2006 8:46:01 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: It was the model for the cafe in the movie "Steel Magnolias." Actually, it was Fried Green Tomatoes. Fannie Flagg wrote much of her book while sitting in the Irondale Cafe (name now changed the Whistle Stop).

In a message dated 10/20/2006 8:46:01 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: It was the model for the cafe in the movie "Steel Magnolias."

In a message dated 10/20/2006 8:31:11 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: There was a park at East Lake, with a lake in it. For many years it was a recreational area. It's still there and well kept up.

The sparks that were given off was the thing that I was in awe about.

I should have mentioned that given names in the Tyler family have been Lloyd, Gene, George, Carl, Luther.... and a LOT of Marthas and Marys.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irma Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] TYLER/TIDWELL/MORRIS > What are some of the given names of your TYLER family that you are > researching? My late husband, Dewey Roy, descended from Enoch TYLER whose > descendants lived in Jefferson County. I have a considerable data base on > the TYLER family although I don't have an Isaac mentioned in your > query. If we connect will be happy to share. > > Irma J. Roy > > At 12:29 PM 10/20/2006, you wrote: >>How would one get information regarding a probate matter before the >>Jefferson Co. Probate Court from 1880? Am looking at a notice in the >>ALABAMA TRUE ISSUE dated November 13, 1880; Judge was J.C. Morrow, re: >>estate of Isaac B Tyler, and notice is to Mrs. Helen B. Tyler. Court >>hearing set for Dec.16, 1880. >> >>Since my Tylers are from Jefferson Co, thought I'd check it out. >> >>Thank you >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bless you! My grandfather was Oather Baxter Tyler who married Queenie Morris in 1924, Jefferson County, daughter of David Morris and Tennie Tidwell. My big brick wall is WHO is the father of Oather Baxter Tyler, my grandfather. He was born 1897 in either Blount or Jefferson Co. He is first listed on the 1900 Compton, Blount Co AL census showing him as BAXTER TYLER, b. approx. 1898; Father is shown as JOHN TYLER b. approx. 1853 in AL; Mother is Martha J Tyler b. approx. 1860 in AL; many siblings listed. In 1910 they are in Dorris, Walker Co, AL with Oather listed as OTHER TYLER, 10 years old. The 1920 census in Precinct 39, Jefferson Co, AL shows OTHER TYLER ,brother in-law, living in household with WILLIAM and ELLAR O HUBBARD. I'm not sure of the ELLAR connection; at first I thought sister of his, but in 1900 she is shown as ELLA TYLER, 1910 ELLA CUBRESON (CULVERSON); then 1920 ELLAR HUBBARD, although ages are pretty right on. JOHN, MARTHA and OATHER TYLER are next to each other at Shanghai Baptist Cemetery. If these people are who I think, they all were born and died in Alabama. It would help to know Martha's maiden name; there is marriage record of a John Tyler to Martha Baxley, but that would mean she was 8 years old when married; I've been checking on a Martha Jane Pearson, which would explain some Pearsons living in the household in 1900. It appears that JOHN TYLER and MARTHA TYLER are out of the picture in 1910; what happened to them? I've also considered where the BAXTER name came from; was that a maternal family name? and on and on......... So, I have been researching the ENOCH TYLER line extensively, as well as ANDERSON TYLER...... ANYTHING you can throw in here would be great! Thank you. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irma Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] TYLER/TIDWELL/MORRIS > What are some of the given names of your TYLER family that you are > researching? My late husband, Dewey Roy, descended from Enoch TYLER whose > descendants lived in Jefferson County. I have a considerable data base on > the TYLER family although I don't have an Isaac mentioned in your > query. If we connect will be happy to share. > > Irma J. Roy > > At 12:29 PM 10/20/2006, you wrote: >>How would one get information regarding a probate matter before the >>Jefferson Co. Probate Court from 1880? Am looking at a notice in the >>ALABAMA TRUE ISSUE dated November 13, 1880; Judge was J.C. Morrow, re: >>estate of Isaac B Tyler, and notice is to Mrs. Helen B. Tyler. Court >>hearing set for Dec.16, 1880. >> >>Since my Tylers are from Jefferson Co, thought I'd check it out. >> >>Thank you >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What are some of the given names of your TYLER family that you are researching? My late husband, Dewey Roy, descended from Enoch TYLER whose descendants lived in Jefferson County. I have a considerable data base on the TYLER family although I don't have an Isaac mentioned in your query. If we connect will be happy to share. Irma J. Roy At 12:29 PM 10/20/2006, you wrote: >How would one get information regarding a probate matter before the >Jefferson Co. Probate Court from 1880? Am looking at a notice in the >ALABAMA TRUE ISSUE dated November 13, 1880; Judge was J.C. Morrow, re: >estate of Isaac B Tyler, and notice is to Mrs. Helen B. Tyler. Court >hearing set for Dec.16, 1880. > >Since my Tylers are from Jefferson Co, thought I'd check it out. > >Thank you > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

you mean a copy of that - if so someone could go to the probate office old records and copy it for you, or if you close, you could do it ----- Original Message ----- From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] TYLER/TIDWELL/MORRIS | How would one get information regarding a probate matter before the Jefferson Co. Probate Court from 1880? Am looking at a notice in the ALABAMA TRUE ISSUE dated November 13, 1880; Judge was J.C. Morrow, re: estate of Isaac B Tyler, and notice is to Mrs. Helen B. Tyler. Court hearing set for Dec.16, 1880. | | Since my Tylers are from Jefferson Co, thought I'd check it out. | | Thank you | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did (ask myself, that is) and couldn't decide, so I think we should vote. And if you think I did wrong you can put my name on the 'hit list', I don't care. As a wise person once said (not sure which wise one), "if you don't know where you from, how you going to know where you going"? I think we did pretty good for 26 hours without a guard. Now laugh, thats suppose to be funny! In order to make this a geneology related post, is anybody related to the EVANS,TURNER,DAVIS,GROOVER, people who was in Jefferson County, Alabama at any time. delilah evans born Hillman Hospital (free charity clinic) poor then, poor now A Coal Miner's Daughter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy DeVore Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] Message from the list administrator | Whew! | That's what I get for going 26 hours without checking this list. OUCH! | | I just have a few comments. | I am very proud of the people on this list and 95% of the emails that | were sent in the last 24 hours were within the general guidelines that | we have always followed with this list. With the exception of the | postings of one person, less than 5% (or so) of the posts weren't on | topic, however, quite a few of the postings were pretty borderline. | | There are currently 265 people subscribed to this list. This time | yesterday there were 272. Many people enjoyed the conversations on the | last 24 hours and many that didn't simply hit delete. However, six | people just quietly (and one loudly) unsubscribed and several more | emailed me privately asking me to get us back on topic. | | So please remember, if you have a thank you for someone specific, a | question for more clarification on something that specifically relates | to you,or just personal reminiscing please do NOT send those mails to | the list, send them directly to the one or two people that they are | directed at. Ask yourself, of the 265 people subscribed to this list | can I honestly say that more that two or three want to hear what I have | to say? If not, please email the interested parties separately from the | list. And while I'm at it, please don't send emails with comments like | "me too", "thanks", etc. | | I want you to all feel like this is your list, but to do that we all | have to remember that this is a very divergent group. Some of us may | enjoy reminiscing about the recent past, but many of us never | experienced it. On the other hand, ALL of us are interested in the | genealogy of the people from Jefferson Co, AL and that is where the | emphasis should be and what we should be focusing on. BTW, if someone | actually wants to start an ALJEFFER-chat mailist, I think that would be | great and I'm all for it. I am afraid I don't have the time right now | to do it myself, but I will gladly support and help anyone who wants to | start on. Email me (privately) <grin> if you are interested in hosting | such a list. | | And now, I'd like to turn the floor back over to what I know to be one | of the finest groups of genealogists anywhere. And I sincerely mean | that. I too subscribe to many lists, but I can honestly say that none | of them have as warm, thoughtful and supportive group of genealogists as | ALJEFFER. | Sincerely | Nancy [email protected] | Oops. While I was writing this email another person just unsubscribed. | Better get back to good old fashioned digging up bones or I'm going to | all alone here, like I was when I started this thing <grin>.. | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] TYLER/TIDWELL/MORRIS > you mean a copy of that - if so someone could go to the probate office old > records and copy it for you, or if you close, you could do it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "deb & jim" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:29 PM > Subject: [ALJEFFER] TYLER/TIDWELL/MORRIS > > > | How would one get information regarding a probate matter before the > Jefferson Co. Probate Court from 1880? Am looking at a notice in the > ALABAMA TRUE ISSUE dated November 13, 1880; Judge was J.C. Morrow, re: > estate of Isaac B Tyler, and notice is to Mrs. Helen B. Tyler. Court > hearing set for Dec.16, 1880. > | > | Since my Tylers are from Jefferson Co, thought I'd check it out. > | > | Thank you > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

there's a small photo of that Cascade Plundge in the Heritage of Jefferson County book, a small one but one anyway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Music" <[email protected]> To: "ALJEFFER-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: [ALJEFFER] James Roberts, Jim Nix & Everyone else......... | James, | I happen to be the one who sent the original e-mail to | the list about the newspaper article and asked the | question if anyone knew where Cascade Plunge was? | That's when the reminiscing started......and | personally I kind of like it. | I just checked PasswardCentral to see that I am on 40 | rootsweb mailing list. Some are almost non-existence, | never having anything come across the list, and | others, like this one will hit on a topic and flow | like water in a full mountain stream. If you think you | are raining on everyone's parade, you are simply | adding to the flow. | If I didn't like the e-mails I would be scrolling down | my list putting a check beside the ones that don't | interest me and hitting 'delete', INSTEAD of hitting | 'respond' to each and every one of them and getting | DOUBLEs back! | | Jim, | My 1st cousin once removed sent me the info on which | theater (Capital) it was that his dad Cary Carniff | Gore used to paint the posters at. He said he had an | Exit sign from it! I e-mailed him back and asked him | if he knew the location. I'll let you know what he | says ASAP. | I have at least one picture somewhere of one of his | posters. If you are interested I'll try to find it. | It's probably on my old desk top. | Thanks for the lovely e-mails. | | Everyone else, :-) | Thanks for all the lovely e-mails. I enjoy reading | them all. It makes me feel almost like I am there. | | Kay | | | __________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around | http://mail.yahoo.com | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Please discuss the old days in private e-mails. Please. Well, OK ...... certainly don't want to distract or bother anyone. I do think there are many who see "genealogy" as much much more than just names and dates on a diagram ......... for many of us, genealogy and family history includes those things that tend to bring the people alive in our memories ...... old pictures whenever available.... information about the history and circumstances of their lives ... where they lived. what kind of work they did.... etc. But ...in any case, to avoid having such things become a distraction, I would be happy to shift off-list with those who are interested ....... but other than via initial contacts on-list, I don't know how to get those contacts initially or learn what people are interested in. Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

Please discuss the old days in private e-mails. Please. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lackey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > Before the trolleys there were street cars that ran on tracks which were > imbedded into the streets. You really would need to be "older than dirt > to remember them." > Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Delilah > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > > > yes or they were called trolleys - Carl, you the expert on this. There > is a > photo of "Passengers in the late 1940's get off and on an East Lake > Trolley > from a raised platform in the middle of Twentitieth Street" > > This book was one of a series published a publishing co in Miami, FL., > on > several of the larger cities, Dr McMillan was from Auburn, he was a pro > at > AU and also a patient of the doctor I worked for. Since it is listed in > the > Library of Congress, you may can see some of the photos by just putting > in > Malcolm Cook McMillan - the ISBN is 0-912458-40-2. > I know that my children's grandfather was part of the HABS project and > took > many photographs over Alabama and the LOC said I could print them out > from > my computerm this was a WPA project. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Roberts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news reports > > > | Did they use to have streetcars in Birmingham? > | > | JC wrote: > | > | >My GreatUncle ran the old Hillman when it was on its last leg, > | >Middle > 50's > | >. If memory serves it was between 3rd and 4th avenue and about 23 and > 24th > | >st. north. > | >I have been away a long time but I think thats right. The location > | >the > lady > | >talked about may have been the old YWCA. > | >jc harris > | >----- Original Message ----- > | >From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> > | >To: <[email protected]> > | >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:38 PM > | >Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] Birmingham circa 1945 looking for news > reports > | > > | > > | > > | > > | >>At 02:29 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: > | >> > | >> > | >>>My grandmother, Queenie Morris, died on September 12, 1945 after a > | >>>fall from a window of a hotel located at 205 N. 24 Street in > | >>>Birmingham. Was that the Hillman Hotel? > | >>> > | >>> > | >>I don't think it was the Hillman Hotel, unless my old brain is > | >>failing. > | >> > | >>To the best of my recollection, the Hillman Hotel burned to the > | >>ground some time in the thirties. > | >> > | >>There was another hotel located very near the offices of the > | >>Birmingham News newspaper, and the above address might fit that one > | >>better. If so, perhaps an inquiry sent to the archives of the > | >>Birmingham News might be helpful. > | >> > | >>Carl in Knoxville, Tennessee > | >> > | >> > | >>------------------------------- > | >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > | >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > | >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | >> > | >> > | >> > | > > | >------------------------------- > | >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > | > > | > > | > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How would one get information regarding a probate matter before the Jefferson Co. Probate Court from 1880? Am looking at a notice in the ALABAMA TRUE ISSUE dated November 13, 1880; Judge was J.C. Morrow, re: estate of Isaac B Tyler, and notice is to Mrs. Helen B. Tyler. Court hearing set for Dec.16, 1880. Since my Tylers are from Jefferson Co, thought I'd check it out. Thank you

Carl wrote <<<<< Would be happy to share those photos, but I don't know how to post them to rootsweb anywhere, >>>>>> The Jefferson County page of the Alabama section of rootsweb's USGenWeb Archives Project site is at http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/al/jefferson.htm Just under the title portion [under the gray line] is a paragraph entitled, "Help Us!!!". The second line in this section is "Click here to transcribe and send in your records . . ." Clicking on the "here" link will take one to the page with links to upload various kinds of files. One of the links is entitled "Photographs Scanned Documents" Clicking on the link will bring up a page with instructions and a form to post photos and/or scanned documents. Just follow the directions, fill in the form, browse and select the file, and click on the "Submit Photo" button. The archives manager then uploads the file to the rootsweb server. If one has a problem with the above method, there is a link to contact the file manager for help. Hope this helps, Melba Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl & Martha Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [ALJEFFER] The Lake by Lakeshore Drive > I have a number of very old photos from ca. 1920 of BRL&P employees > at the lake on picnics and swimming parties. My mother was one of > them. Would be happy to share those photos, but I don't know how to > post them to rootsweb anywhere, and I think they are not accepted > as attachments to notes such as this. > > Carl, in Knoxville, Tennessee

When I first visited Birmingham in 1944 as an 18 yr old war bride from the midwest, and never having been south of the Mason Dixon before, the three must see things were Terminal Station, Alabama Theatre, and Vulcan. Vulcan didn't have elevators and it was a challenge to climb all those steps to the observation tower. Sadly, beautiful Terminal Station was allowed to go the demolition route. But the other two were saved, although the last time I visited Vulcan a few years ago, one of his arms was lying on the ground while funds were being sought for restoration. I think streetcar fare was 7 cents and a transfer required a couple of tokens in addition. R Adams