This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZS.2ADI/117.3 Message Board Post: Dear John, I come from a Tolar line. My direct line is Walters, but my ggg-grandmother was Caroline Canzetta Tolar. My Tolar line startes with John Tolar b 1Jan 1761 in Goochland Co., Va. he married, Nancy (I have nothing else on her), they had: Henry Tolar b 1789 Newbern Co., NC married Kitsy Magee b 24 Jan 1778 SC. They had: John Philip Tolar and Nancy Tolar Nancy Tolar married Gilbert Shivers John Philip Tolar married Canzetta Catherine Fussell. John Philip Tolar and Canzetta had Caroline Canzetta Tolar who married into my direct line of Walters. She married Robert Stace Walters. I have more on this line as well as some family photo's. I would love to share this with you, if you think we are kin. I find the Shiver name interesting, and wonder if you are of the same Shiver family that runs with mine. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Lori Walters Lampkins by the way my email is : Dittobyte@satx.rr.com