I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents were more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of the problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. I want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the Midland County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. Have a great weekend everyone! Mary WY CO -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, Macon & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information that isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time goes on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can be 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local or state web site can be extremely helpful. My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru quite a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy of the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that information online so people would know where to look for the records they might want. There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning what's available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: SherryeW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes genealogists want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs to go on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on your ALHN webpage. Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used to. I know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data on their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that ALHN website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and ALHN affiliation. Just my humble opinion :) Sherrye In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpowelljr@gru.net writes: Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in Tallahassee. We will see. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.paulpuente.com/tutorial_1.html American Local History Network – Optimizing Your Website Tutorial One – “Why isn’t my website listed when I do a search?” Joyce has already told you the disappointing results of an analysis I did last week when only 5 of the 50 ALHN websites appeared in the first 5 pages of a Google search. Assuming you don’t find your website in the first 5 pages of a Web search this is the most important question you can ask. Through a series of tutorials over the next few months I hope to help you answer this question and to improve your website so that it appears on the first page of search engine results. So, with that as a brief introduction let’s begin. Q. If I have my website on the Web doesn’t Google, Yahoo, and the other search engines automatically find it and include it in searches? A. The short answer to that question is No. You must “optimize” your website so that it meets the standards that these companies require for you to be listed. This series of tutorials will help you to improve your websites and optimize it for search engine listings. Q. How do search engines such as Google determine the rank order of websites on the results page? A. Another way of asking this is how I make sure my website winds up on the first page of search results. The simple answer is you can’t. All you can do is to focus on the key elements of your website that Google and the other engines think are important. Google explains this by saying they determine which websites are the most “useful and relevant” and then rank them accordingly. This means that search engines are constantly comparing your site to the others who have similar content. These are your competitors. They are constantly improving their sites and unless you follow suit you could fall further behind. Your goal is to have your site show up on the first two, ideally the first, pages of a search. People rarely go beyond the second page of results if they can’t find what they are looking for. Google uses over 200 factors in a complex algorithm (a mathematical process) to crunch these data and voila, out come the results, untouched by human hands. Most people don’t even know what most of these factors are and most are way beyond your control anyhow so there is no need to worry about them. But, experts generally agree that the following factors are ones you can control and influence.  Keyword usage  Site structure  Site speed  Time spent on site  Number of inbound links  Quality of inbound links In this first tutorial we will only deal with keywords and their usage and next time talk about site structure and after that the remainder of the topics. Q. What are keywords? A. These are simply the words that someone is most likely to use when searching for your website. But people don’t generally search for a specific website such as ALHN or Rootsweb, they search for information that will help them in their family history research. For example, someone searching for ancestors in Tennessee might use the words, “genealogy” and “tennessee” or perhaps “family history” and the name of the State or a county in the State. These then are the keywords that people use to help them find information. Your website must contain these keywords if your site is to be found by researchers. Q. Where are these keywords on my website? A. They must be in two places on each page in your website. Let’s take them one at a time and then explain why they absolutely must be in two places. HTML Meta Tags Resist the temptation at this stage to allow your eyes to glaze over. I must give you a little background if you are to fix your website for this one element. It is necessary if you are to understand what is on the “inside” or “underneath” each of your website pages. Hang in there with me because this is important. I’ll try not to use too many technical terms. For those of you who already know this topic I would urge you read it nonetheless because there are some issues that you may not know about. HTML, an acronym for Hypertext Markup Language the main language for creating web pages and other information that can be displayed in a web browser. It was created in 1989 by Tim Berners-Lee, a physicist working at CERN in Geneva. From that early beginning we have today the World Wide Web. Like any language it has its own vocabulary. For example <title></title> is one of many tags that are used in HTML. Think of it as a placeholder, a place where you put something that a browser understands and then puts it in the correct place on your web page. And yes, <title></title> actually contains the title of your website that is displayed in the top bar of all browsers. In the HTML page underneath your actual web page it would be entered as the following: <title>American Local History Network</title> This example assumes that you wanted this title for a particular page. You can have a different title for every page, in fact, this is desirable. Q. Okay Paul, why do I have to worry about this? Doesn’t the program I use to create my website automatically put in the title and all the rest of this HTML stuff? A. Some do and others don’t. Maybe there is a place in your program that asks you to do that, maybe it is hidden in the program settings and you haven’t found it. When I was analyzing your sites I found a number of cases where this <title> tag didn’t exist and if you want to improve your search results you must deal with this topic. Q. Okay, now I understand why it is important but the title of this section is called HTML Meta Tags but you have just used the term “tag”. So, what is a meta tag? A. Those of you who code your website line by line in html know where these tags are and why they are important. But if you use a program to build your website that hides all of this stuff from you then you may not know that there is even such a thing as a meta tag. Okay, so what is it? A meta tag is simply a text statement in the <head></head> tag (at the beginning) of your web page that gives information to search engines. You can think of it as an instruction to tell the engine to do something. The <head></head> tag and the meta tags that are contained within that tag are not visible to the person viewing your website but they are critically important. Q. But what does this have to do with keywords? A. Hang in there, we’re almost there. If you have never seen a meta tag before go to the main page of your website and right-click on an empty space on the page (not on a link or text) and on the submenu that pops up click “View source or View page source”. The window that opens contains all of the code that makes that page work. Go to the top to look at the <head> element. Right under that are all the meta tags. If you don’t see any or they are empty it could be one reason why your site doesn’t show up in the search rankings. I must emphasize that this could be only one reason, there are many others which we will discuss in future tutorials. The following are the critical tags and meta tags; your page may have others as well. <head> <title>ALHN Genealogy Research</title> <meta name="description" content="this is a description of your site"> <meta name="keywords" content="genealogy,family history,tennessee"> <meta name="author" content="Your name"> (optional) </head> Now it’s my time to ask the questions. Did you find meta tags in the head element? Did you have all of them and were they filled in properly? Did they have the correct quotation marks included. Quotation marks are not optional! If you don’t have the correct meta tags and want to edit them then first see if the program you used to create your site allows you to edit the underlying html code. If it does not you must open that page in an html editor. There are plenty of free ones that you can download, but the use of these editors is far beyond the scope of this tutorial. Now, we see where the first place that keywords appear. In my example I have only used 3 keywords: "genealogy,family history,tennessee". Notice that there is no space between individual key words but a space is used in a phrase such as “family history”. A comma is mandatory between individual words or phrases. It is unnecessary to capitalize proper nouns or any keyword for that matter. As mentioned already, the title is important because it is what shows up at the very top of a browser when the person opens it. It is also displayed on the tab of the page if the browser uses tabs. The title should describe that page but also be less than 100 characters. Make sure that the opening tag, <title> and the closing tag, </title> are in their appropriate positions. The description meta tag is what appears in the two line Google excerpt under the title and url on the search results page. Don’t sell this feature short. Many people use this description as the basis for their choice of search results rather than the title. It should be less than 200 characters although you will find a difference of opinion about what length is best and acceptable. Each web page should have a different description that reflects the content of that page. This is often overlooked and it is so very important. Body of the Web Page The second place where keywords must be used is in the text that is displayed when a person views your site. Each keyword or phrase used in the meta tag must exist on the associated web page. If they don't, many search engines will eliminate you for spamming. Q. How many keywords can I use? A. There is no set rule or limit, but generally 5 to 10 very specific and targeted words or phrases should be enough. If you use too many words some search engines will tag you as a spammer. Once again, make sure all of these words show up in the text on that page. Q. Can I use the same keywords on every page in my site. A. Yes, but you should include or sometimes exclude some words depending on the content of that page. For example, if your State home page shows a link to a county page then that county web page should have its name in the meta tag as well in the text of the page. Be guided by the content of each of your pages. Ask yourself, “what search words are people going to use to find this particular page?” Q. I’ve heard of keyword stuffing. What is it? A. It is a trick to gain visibility and ranking in search engine results by overloading (stuffing) a web page with repetitive keywords. Don’t do it. Some developers go so far as to include hundreds of words but not make them visible to the person viewing the page. Search engines will severely penalize sites caught stuffing keywords. Q. Are you going to finally tell me what are the best keywords to use on my site? A. I can give some that are logical but again I must emphasize that you should use keywords that are contained within the content of each page in your site. If you think that you have content that is both “useful and relevant” (remember what Google said) then use words that describe that content. Here some to get you started: "genealogy,genealogy family,genealogy county,free genealogy site,surnames genealogy,history genealogy,family history,ancestry,family search,family tree" Q. What other advice do you have about keywords? A. Okay, since you asked so nicely here are some additional tips  Choose a good primary keyword and make sure you use it in the first sentence of the text on your page. If it can be used in the text of your page additional times all the better. It improves what is know as “keyword density”, but don’t overdo it otherwise the big spam label gets slapped on the page.  Check your spelling. Misspelled keywords can cause problems in almost all search engines.  Try to test out 2 or 3 word phrases. People are now starting to type complete questions into search engines and Google in particular is getting better at parsing these questions into intelligent results.  Give your web pages intelligent names such as www.example.com/history.html rather than www.example.com/his1752.html. Remember this information gets posted on the search result pages. Since this is the first tutorial I would welcome your feedback and how the future ones might be improved. Send all comments to : paulpuente@gmail.com. All the best and I hope you have learned a few things to improve the ranking of your website. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org

A few days ago one of our respected volunteers sent me this analysis. Paul Puente is a Tennessee county volunteer and an html coding expert. He has run this analysis that reveals broken links on alhn state pages. (And just so you know the huge number on Tennessee has been fixed) This may not be as bad as it sounds especially for those of us who’ve had ours online for awhile because this validator will locate the re-directs that rootsweb caused when they went from rootsweb.com to rootsweb.ancestry.com http://validator.w3.org/checklink is the web site. Anyone can use this utility for their site. Now, here is better news. Paul has created tutorials that will help us bring our sites into WC3 compliance...”the new coding”.... His tutorial’s are excellent in that they are explained in ways that even I can understand. They are simple and easy to follow. Paul will be doing a series of these tutorials over the next few weeks that will be posted on this mail list as well as having a permanent home on his web site. I will post the first tutorial very soon along with the link to its home. The Board of Directors is extremely grateful to Paul for taking time to help out those of us who need it. Analysis of ALHN State Websites – November 12, 2013 State Search* Errors** Domain and Index page Alabama No 39 http://www.usgennet.org Alaska page 2 57 http://www.alaskaweb.org/ Arizona - - no website Arkansas - - http://www.arfamilies.info (account suspended) California No 21 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~caalhn/ Colorado No 24 http://www.genealogyalongtherockies.com/colorado/colorado.htm Connecticut No 36 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ct/state/ Delaware page 2 25 http://www.delawareroots.org/ D. of Columbia No 29 http://www.us-roots.org/washingtondc/ Florida No 3 http://www.fl-roots.org/ Georgia No 6 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaalhn/ Hawaii No 3 http://hometownchronicles.com/hawaii/index.htm Idaho page 4 50 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/id/state1/alhn/index.htm Illinois No 10 http://www.us-roots.org/illinois/ Indiana No 26 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/state1/index.htm Iowa No 10 http://www.us-roots.org/iowa/ Kansas No 3 http://www.pa-roots.org/data/index.php?5209 Kentucky No 0 http://www.us-roots.org/ky/state/Welcome.html Louisiana No 69 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~laalhn/ Maine No 11 http://hometownchronicles.com/mealhn/ Maryland No 28 http://www.marylandroots.net/ Massachusetts No 14 http://www.ma-roots.org/ Michigan No 3 http://www.mi-roots.org/ Minnesota No 23 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mn/state/ Mississippi No 12 http://www.us-roots.org/ms/state/ Missouri No 210 http://www.us-roots.org/missouri/ Montana No 16 http://www.us-roots.org/montana/ Nebraska No 2 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state1/ Nevada No 11 http://www.us-roots.org/nevada/ New Hampshire No 6 http://www.nh-roots.org/ New Jersey No 42 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/state/ New Mexico No 4 http://nmahgp.genealogyvillage.com/ New York No 2 http://www.newyorkroots.org/ North Carolina No 6 http://www.ncalhn.org/ North Dakota - - no website Ohio No 20 http://www.genealogybug.net/ohio_alhn/ohio.htm Oklahoma page 4 87 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ok/state/ Oregon - - no website or no link to website Pennsylvania 172 http://www.pa-roots.com/index.php/pacounties Pennsylvania page 2 11 http://www.pa-roots.com/ (not linked from the States page) Rhode Island No 27 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ri/state/ South Carolina No 16 http://www.us-roots.org/southcarolina/ South Dakota No 13 http://www.us-roots.org/sd/state/ Tennessee No 259 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tnalhn/ Texas No 66 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txalhn/ Utah No 36 http://utahalhn.tripod.com/ Vermont No 1 http://www.vt-roots.org/ Virginia No 71 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/va/state/vaalhn/index.htm Washington No 76 http://www.usgennet.org/usa/wa/state/ West Virginia No 16 http://www.us-roots.org/westvirginia/ Wisconsin No 17 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wialhn/ Wyoming No 193 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wyoming/ Wyoming No 16 http://www.genealogyalongtherockies.com/wyoming/wyoming.htm * Does the website appear on first 5 pages of results in Google using two keywords: genealogy and the name of the State. ** Number of errors on index page only as measured by W3C markup validation service. Includes errors and warnings. *** http://www.pa-roots.com/index.php/pacounties had 172 errors Explanation Search Results: If the website doesn’t appear in the first two pages (20 results) people generally won’t go beyond. I checked 5 pages or 50 results for each State website. Page Errors: If there are significant errors on a page it may not render (display) correctly. This is especially true for older browser versions. So if people actually find the website but they can’t clearly read what is on it then they leave. Notes and Observations a.. It is not just keywords that are important but how many links a site has going out and how many coming in from other sites. b.. Most (almost all) of our sites are not optimized for search engines (see below) a.. Kansas has no ALHN logo and the title of the index page is PA-Roots b.. Although Kentucky meets W3C standards, it does not have any keywords which accounts for it not showing up in the first 5 pages of a Google search. c.. Some States such as Hawaii and New Mexico have too many keywords and Google doesn’t like that. Too many keywords could indicate a spamming site. d.. Many ALHN State sites don’t even have the name of the State as a keyword. As many keywords as the New Mexico website has New Mexico is not even mentioned as a keyword. Its in the title tag but that doesn’t help. Link Checker http://validator.w3.org/checklink Here is a sample output from Ohio State site: Code Occurrences What to do 404 1 The link is broken. Double-check that you have not made any typo, or mistake in copy-pasting. If the link points to a resource that no longer exists, you may want to remove or fix the link. 410 1 The resource is gone. You should remove this link. Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Google has an excellent article on this subject which every volunteer should read: http://www.google.com/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf

Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, Macon & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information that isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time goes on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can be 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local or state web site can be extremely helpful. My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru quite a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy of the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that information online so people would know where to look for the records they might want. There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning what's available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: SherryeW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes genealogists want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs to go on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on your ALHN webpage. Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used to. I know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data on their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that ALHN website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and ALHN affiliation. Just my humble opinion :) Sherrye In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpowelljr@gru.net writes: Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in Tallahassee. We will see. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL. good idies Mary. We did consider takeing the rear axel and bed and making a wagon........... Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Mary Saban Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO be a redneck ---- bring it home, park it and plant flowers in the bed etc after salvaging the engine parts, you can plant flowers there too lol!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:31 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO Well, now that the truck is off the side of the interstate I'm thinking all we can do is offer it a decent passing. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Dan M Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:38 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO Oh. When yer done I have a steering column needes r n r. On Nov 14, 2013 10:35 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Send it to me. I'll convert into a pdf and post it on the Tennessee site! > > Don't mean to be blunt...just got a lot going today. It's my day for > broken > down trucks. > > THANKS > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:28 PM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > Yes... gee such a long answer. > I have the book digitized each page is a picture. > Still interested? > On Nov 14, 2013 10:26 AM, <jgreece55@gmail.com> wrote: > > > yes > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > American Local History Network > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > www.alhn.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:13 PM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > > > Any interest for a book called Annals of Tazwell? > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So where can I see this wand. I am very intersted since you explained that you still want one. I am always learning reasons why people do things. Some times I find out I just learned something. Lots of things I do know. Lots of those need improved. I listen. I learn. No ego here. Just lots of chatter lol;) Dan On Nov 15, 2013 8:20 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Well Dan, I have a cell phone camera that does well, we bought ourselves a > really good digital camera this year when Don retired that also takes video > (that part was for grandchildren's games and concerts etc), still have our > older digital which is easier to hold than the new one but not as > versatile. > I still want to try the newest wand scanner. I do agree on the wands when > they first came out. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:05 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > Save your money and get a good camera. > Scanners are too much work to low in res and u cant control all aspects. > I got a hand scanner when the very first one came out. > Man was that slow. And if you snaged a staple or wiggled it was all fuzzy. > Long time ago. I have not seen the newest ones. But I use my fuji 7 mega > pixle... then just slip the sd card into my laptop and it copies > automatically and then I use one of my photo prgs to put them in folders. > Whats the brand. I want to see more of this wanna have for christmas > thingy ;) > Dan > On Nov 15, 2013 7:58 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > > > Now Dan, I have had my sights set on the newest version of the wand > > scanner! > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:55 AM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > As per scaning. You can do better with a digital camera set on medium. > > For those who want to enlarge a one inch square photo.... use the > > digital. > > Set on med or high res macro if you have it. Your one inch photo is now > > enlarged at full res. Some pratice and lighting and focus are learning > > things as u go per camera. I use my cell phone when I got my firdt > digital > > many years ago I used it to copy pictures. This works. Its far faster and > > better resolution than any scanner. > > Dan > > On Nov 15, 2013 7:41 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > > > > > I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about > > > transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that > > > transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents > > > were > > > more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. > > > > > > Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of > > > the > > > problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes > > dusty > > > archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held > > > scanning > > > wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your > > > laptop. > > > I > > > want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the > > > Midland > > > County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County > > > > > > I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 > years > > > ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were > not > > > acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. > > > > > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > > > > > Mary > > > WY CO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM > > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, > > > Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have > > > branched > > > out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, > > > Macon > > > & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information > > > that > > > isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, > > > one > > > of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that > > court > > > where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and > > > estates, > > > property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid > > > off > > > many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then > > there's > > > the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time > > > goes > > > on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the > > > future. > > > Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. > > In > > > 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the > > > Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you > > > can > > > be > > > 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the > > next > > > door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things > > > like > > > court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a > > local > > > or state web site can be extremely helpful. > > > > > > My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in > > > archives, > > > court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have > to > > > be > > > creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data > > > and > > > get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There > > > are > > > those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create > web > > > sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of > interest, > > > many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru > > > quite > > > a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have > > > indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once > > > someone > > > sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a > > > copy > > > of > > > the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We > > > learned > > > what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that > > > information online so people would know where to look for the records > > they > > > might want. > > > > > > There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our > web > > > sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the > > > county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning > > > what's > > > available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > > American Local History Network > > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > > www.alhn.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SherryeW@aol.com > > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM > > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > > > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. > > It > > > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > > > genealogists > > > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several > > > other > > > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital > > records > > > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful > > to > > > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it > > > needs > > > to > > > go > > > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if > > > you > > > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find > > > that > > > a > > > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > > > your ALHN webpage. > > > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > > > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they > > used > > > to. I > > > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find > > > data > > > on > > > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > > > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a > link > > > to > > > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > > > ALHN > > > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name > > and > > > ALHN > > > affiliation. > > > > > > Just my humble opinion :) > > > > > > Sherrye > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > > > > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > > > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build > > databases > > > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > > > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > > > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative > > is > > > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > > > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Speaking of scanners. I have whats left of one that would read a film to the computer. Just slid the film in and take shots of it and they looked like the photo would. Not trying to discourage scanners. But in lots of experiences i have of people never learning how to set them up for each duty the camera is far faster and almost every one has a cell phone now. Dan On Nov 15, 2013 8:04 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > A scanner would work great Mary. > > I use a digital camera. I take photo's of the original pages...upload them > to the computer, names the files in page number order, then create a 'book' > in pdf so it's readable by acrobat....that's my method. I'm sure there are > many other ways. In this way I spend a few hours at the courthouse and a > lot more at home doing things as I can get to them. > > I also get Works Progress Administration information when I can. I wish I > were rich enough to have a microfilm scanner...one that scans the film into > pdf files. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Saban > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about > transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that > transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents > were > more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. > > Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of the > problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty > archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning > wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. > I > want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the Midland > County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County > > I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years > ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not > acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, > Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched > out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, > Macon > & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information > that > isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one > of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court > where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, > property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off > many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's > the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time > goes > on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. > Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In > 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the > Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can > be > 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next > door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like > court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local > or state web site can be extremely helpful. > > My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, > court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be > creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and > get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are > those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web > sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, > many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru > quite > a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have > indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone > sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy > of > the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned > what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that > information online so people would know where to look for the records they > might want. > > There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web > sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the > county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning > what's > available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: SherryeW@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > genealogists > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs > to > go > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > your ALHN webpage. > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used > to. I > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data > on > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > ALHN > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and > ALHN > affiliation. > > Just my humble opinion :) > > Sherrye > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Save your money and get a good camera. Scanners are too much work to low in res and u cant control all aspects. I got a hand scanner when the very first one came out. Man was that slow. And if you snaged a staple or wiggled it was all fuzzy. Long time ago. I have not seen the newest ones. But I use my fuji 7 mega pixle... then just slip the sd card into my laptop and it copies automatically and then I use one of my photo prgs to put them in folders. Whats the brand. I want to see more of this wanna have for christmas thingy ;) Dan On Nov 15, 2013 7:58 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Now Dan, I have had my sights set on the newest version of the wand > scanner! > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:55 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > As per scaning. You can do better with a digital camera set on medium. > For those who want to enlarge a one inch square photo.... use the digital. > Set on med or high res macro if you have it. Your one inch photo is now > enlarged at full res. Some pratice and lighting and focus are learning > things as u go per camera. I use my cell phone when I got my firdt digital > many years ago I used it to copy pictures. This works. Its far faster and > better resolution than any scanner. > Dan > On Nov 15, 2013 7:41 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > > > I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about > > transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that > > transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents > > were > > more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. > > > > Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of > > the > > problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes > dusty > > archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning > > wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. > > I > > want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the > > Midland > > County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County > > > > I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years > > ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not > > acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. > > > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > > > Mary > > WY CO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, > > Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched > > out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, > > Macon > > & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information > > that > > isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, > > one > > of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that > court > > where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, > > property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off > > many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then > there's > > the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time > > goes > > on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. > > Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. > In > > 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the > > Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can > > be > > 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the > next > > door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things > > like > > court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a > local > > or state web site can be extremely helpful. > > > > My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in > > archives, > > court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to > > be > > creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and > > get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are > > those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web > > sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, > > many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru > > quite > > a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have > > indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once > > someone > > sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy > > of > > the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned > > what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that > > information online so people would know where to look for the records > they > > might want. > > > > There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web > > sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the > > county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning > > what's > > available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > American Local History Network > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > www.alhn.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SherryeW@aol.com > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. > It > > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > > genealogists > > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other > > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital > records > > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful > to > > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs > > to > > go > > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if > > you > > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that > > a > > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > > your ALHN webpage. > > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they > used > > to. I > > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data > > on > > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link > > to > > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > > ALHN > > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name > and > > ALHN > > affiliation. > > > > Just my humble opinion :) > > > > Sherrye > > > > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build > databases > > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative > is > > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As per scaning. You can do better with a digital camera set on medium. For those who want to enlarge a one inch square photo.... use the digital. Set on med or high res macro if you have it. Your one inch photo is now enlarged at full res. Some pratice and lighting and focus are learning things as u go per camera. I use my cell phone when I got my firdt digital many years ago I used it to copy pictures. This works. Its far faster and better resolution than any scanner. Dan On Nov 15, 2013 7:41 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about > transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that > transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents > were > more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. > > Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of the > problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty > archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning > wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. > I > want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the Midland > County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County > > I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years > ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not > acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, > Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched > out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, > Macon > & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information > that > isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one > of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court > where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, > property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off > many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's > the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time > goes > on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. > Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In > 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the > Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can > be > 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next > door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like > court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local > or state web site can be extremely helpful. > > My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, > court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be > creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and > get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are > those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web > sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, > many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru > quite > a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have > indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone > sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy > of > the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned > what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that > information online so people would know where to look for the records they > might want. > > There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web > sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the > county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning > what's > available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: SherryeW@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > genealogists > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs > to > go > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > your ALHN webpage. > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used > to. I > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data > on > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > ALHN > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and > ALHN > affiliation. > > Just my humble opinion :) > > Sherrye > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All this is helpful. Suggest printing it out. Altho I have my own places to use from the direct horses mouth so to say. Because some things changed and others are irrelivant. As for ... meta tags... are not as important as once were. But header tags can be useful and coupled with meta properly used. Once coma and spaces were used.. now no spaces are used. Just follow theze directions and you will find it simpler to understand and when you find where current changes are required you will see where to use them. These are good things my computer group could be woke up for. A work space. Nicly done instructions. Should take some of the repetitive questions off us and to these instructions. Dan

Instead of current cemetery, why not post the WPA listing to an ALHN site? Or post the actual cemetery records to your ALHN site. These records are much more accurate than what is on find a grave. As a researcher, I don't use find a grave as a source, but as a map. Then I find other reputable sources to cite. I have the records for my church's cemetery, and no matter how many times I ask find a grave contributors to correct misinformation on this cemetery, they refuse. So, the actual records are more accurate than the find a grave listings. REBEKAH Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Cyndy Cox <cyndycox@gmail.com> wrote: > > I do not add records that are easily available on "big sites" to my web > pages. I do have some cemeteries because my pictures are larger and you > can download them to your computer if you want one. > > Also, I do more local history than genealogy. I photograph schools, > churches and neighborhoods. I like to give people an opportunity to see > what it was like to live in a particular area. > > Cyndy > > >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: >> >> This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It >> is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes >> genealogists >> want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other >> sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records >> online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to >> genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs >> to go >> on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you >> would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a >> lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on >> your ALHN webpage. >> Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as >> possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used >> to. I >> know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data >> on >> their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be >> added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to >> Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that >> ALHN >> website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and >> ALHN >> affiliation. >> >> Just my humble opinion :) >> >> Sherrye >> >> >> In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> jpowelljr@gru.net writes: >> >> Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 >> cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases >> for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are >> still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates >> Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is >> into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in >> Tallahassee. We will see. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have big plans for our Virtual Cemetery website... Voices over stones, where descendants or historians add an audio or video story about those interred. We plan to link documents from our Ancient Records website to those interred. Where available we will add photos of those interred. Find a grave is hit and miss, not complete cemeteries. We always have permission to photograph the stones in cemeteries that are taken care of or commercial. Do those that do Find A Grave always request permission. We photograph everything in order and post it in order. It is not in alphabetical order. There are several searches on the site, one includes the text on graves found in the 1960s by the DAR that no longer exist. We photograph rocks, piles of bricks, whats left of wooden markers... where possible we even photograph depressions. We work with State Archeologists with GPR on some of our abandoned historic cemeteries. We are way more than Find A Grave ever imagined. You can use our site to take a tour of the actual cemetery with your smart phone or tablet. It can lead you to a specific grave. It has been used to replace recovered stolen stones back to where they came from. Find A Grave is supported by ads, our site is supported by me, no ads. I don't mind sharing with them, but there must be a link from each photo to our more in depth website. That is just my Humble Opinion. I would never ever just put our hard work on Find A Grave. Are you saying that since there is a USGenWeb, an Ancestry.com, a FamilySearch.org and much more, that ALHN should put everything there? Everything I do is a step above what the existing sites provide and it comes from a place in my heart of giving and sharing not the make a buck mentality of some of the more commercial sites, anything with ads, or anything that is "for sale". I'll continue doing what I do... Just to show you the power of our websites, I was working on checking a transcription awhile back and there was a name that I wasn't sure of. I Googled it and the first result was a stone from our website with the correct name on it. In a way I had answered my own question. I am supported with Volunteers by the local Historical Commission and the local DAR. We are going to grow, not prosper, unless you count the priceless documenting of everything that exists in our local cemeteries. I'm sure Ancestry would take anything you want to give them as would Find A Grave. Is that where we are going, or are we here to do better and to do it for FREE? I do what I do because I care, not because it is easy. Jim Jim Powell Jr Wizard of AR http://www.wizardofar.org/ http://www.facebook.com/wizardofar Ancient Records Coordinator Alachua County Clerk of Court http://www.alachuaclerk.org/archive/ http://www.facebook.com/ACARVol On 11/15/2013 6:01 AM, Cyndy Cox wrote: > I do not add records that are easily available on "big sites" to my web > pages. I do have some cemeteries because my pictures are larger and you > can download them to your computer if you want one. > > Also, I do more local history than genealogy. I photograph schools, > churches and neighborhoods. I like to give people an opportunity to see > what it was like to live in a particular area. > > Cyndy > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > >> This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It >> is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes >> genealogists >> want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other >> sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records >> online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to >> genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs >> to go >> on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you >> would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a >> lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on >> your ALHN webpage. >> Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as >> possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used >> to. I >> know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data >> on >> their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be >> added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to >> Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that >> ALHN >> website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and >> ALHN >> affiliation. >> >> Just my humble opinion :) >> >> Sherrye >> >> >> In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> jpowelljr@gru.net writes: >> >> Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 >> cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases >> for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are >> still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates >> Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is >> into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in >> Tallahassee. We will see. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Joyce. Dan On Nov 15, 2013 7:29 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > A few days ago one of our respected volunteers sent me this analysis. > Paul Puente is a Tennessee county volunteer and an html coding expert. He > has run this analysis that reveals broken links on alhn state pages. (And > just so you know the huge number on Tennessee has been fixed) This may not > be as bad as it sounds especially for those of us who’ve had ours online > for awhile because this validator will locate the re-directs that rootsweb > caused when they went from rootsweb.com to rootsweb.ancestry.com > > http://validator.w3.org/checklink is the web site. Anyone can use this > utility for their site. > > Now, here is better news. Paul has created tutorials that will help us > bring our sites into WC3 compliance...”the new coding”.... > > His tutorial’s are excellent in that they are explained in ways that even > I can understand. They are simple and easy to follow. > > Paul will be doing a series of these tutorials over the next few weeks > that will be posted on this mail list as well as having a permanent home on > his web site. I will post the first tutorial very soon along with the link > to its home. > > The Board of Directors is extremely grateful to Paul for taking time to > help out those of us who need it. > > > > Analysis of ALHN State Websites – November 12, 2013 > > > > State > Search* > Errors** > Domain and Index page > > Alabama > No > 39 > http://www.usgennet.org > > Alaska > page 2 > 57 > http://www.alaskaweb.org/ > > Arizona > - > - > no website > > Arkansas > - > - > http://www.arfamilies.info (account suspended) > > California > No > 21 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~caalhn/ > > Colorado > No > 24 > http://www.genealogyalongtherockies.com/colorado/colorado.htm > > Connecticut > No > 36 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ct/state/ > > Delaware > page 2 > 25 > http://www.delawareroots.org/ > > D. of Columbia > No > 29 > http://www.us-roots.org/washingtondc/ > > Florida > No > 3 > http://www.fl-roots.org/ > > Georgia > No > 6 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaalhn/ > > Hawaii > No > 3 > http://hometownchronicles.com/hawaii/index.htm > > Idaho > page 4 > 50 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/id/state1/alhn/index.htm > > Illinois > No > 10 > http://www.us-roots.org/illinois/ > > Indiana > No > 26 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/state1/index.htm > > Iowa > No > 10 > http://www.us-roots.org/iowa/ > > Kansas > No > 3 > http://www.pa-roots.org/data/index.php?5209 > > Kentucky > No > 0 > http://www.us-roots.org/ky/state/Welcome.html > > Louisiana > No > 69 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~laalhn/ > > Maine > No > 11 > http://hometownchronicles.com/mealhn/ > > Maryland > No > 28 > http://www.marylandroots.net/ > > Massachusetts > No > 14 > http://www.ma-roots.org/ > > Michigan > No > 3 > http://www.mi-roots.org/ > > Minnesota > No > 23 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mn/state/ > > Mississippi > No > 12 > http://www.us-roots.org/ms/state/ > > Missouri > No > 210 > http://www.us-roots.org/missouri/ > > Montana > No > 16 > http://www.us-roots.org/montana/ > > Nebraska > No > 2 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state1/ > > Nevada > No > 11 > http://www.us-roots.org/nevada/ > > New Hampshire > No > 6 > http://www.nh-roots.org/ > > New Jersey > No > 42 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/state/ > > New Mexico > No > 4 > http://nmahgp.genealogyvillage.com/ > > New York > No > 2 > http://www.newyorkroots.org/ > > North Carolina > No > 6 > http://www.ncalhn.org/ > > North Dakota > - > - > no website > > Ohio > No > 20 > http://www.genealogybug.net/ohio_alhn/ohio.htm > > Oklahoma > page 4 > 87 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ok/state/ > > Oregon > - > - > no website or no link to website > > Pennsylvania > > 172 > http://www.pa-roots.com/index.php/pacounties > > Pennsylvania > page 2 > 11 > http://www.pa-roots.com/ (not linked from the States page) > > Rhode Island > No > 27 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ri/state/ > > South Carolina > No > 16 > http://www.us-roots.org/southcarolina/ > > South Dakota > No > 13 > http://www.us-roots.org/sd/state/ > > Tennessee > No > 259 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tnalhn/ > > Texas > No > 66 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txalhn/ > > Utah > No > 36 > http://utahalhn.tripod.com/ > > Vermont > No > 1 > http://www.vt-roots.org/ > > Virginia > No > 71 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/va/state/vaalhn/index.htm > > Washington > No > 76 > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/wa/state/ > > West Virginia > No > 16 > http://www.us-roots.org/westvirginia/ > > Wisconsin > No > 17 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wialhn/ > > Wyoming > No > 193 > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wyoming/ > > Wyoming > No > 16 > http://www.genealogyalongtherockies.com/wyoming/wyoming.htm > > > > > * Does the website appear on first 5 pages of results in Google using two > keywords: genealogy and the name of the State. > > ** Number of errors on index page only as measured by W3C markup > validation service. Includes errors and warnings. > > *** http://www.pa-roots.com/index.php/pacounties had 172 errors > > > > Explanation > > > > Search Results: If the website doesn’t appear in the first two pages (20 > results) people generally won’t go beyond. I checked 5 pages or 50 results > for each State website. > > > > Page Errors: If there are significant errors on a page it may not render > (display) correctly. This is especially true for older browser versions. So > if people actually find the website but they can’t clearly read what is on > it then they leave. > > > > Notes and Observations > > > > a.. It is not just keywords that are important but how many links a site > has going out and how many coming in from other sites. > b.. Most (almost all) of our sites are not optimized for search engines > (see below) > a.. Kansas has no ALHN logo and the title of the index page is PA-Roots > b.. Although Kentucky meets W3C standards, it does not have any keywords > which accounts for it not showing up in the first 5 pages of a Google > search. > c.. Some States such as Hawaii and New Mexico have too many keywords and > Google doesn’t like that. Too many keywords could indicate a spamming site. > d.. Many ALHN State sites don’t even have the name of the State as a > keyword. As many keywords as the New Mexico website has New Mexico is not > even mentioned as a keyword. Its in the title tag but that doesn’t help. > > > Link Checker > > > > http://validator.w3.org/checklink > > > > Here is a sample output from Ohio State site: > > > > Code > Occurrences > What to do > > 404 > 1 > The link is broken. Double-check that you have not made any typo, or > mistake in copy-pasting. If the link points to a resource that no longer > exists, you may want to remove or fix the link. > > 410 > 1 > The resource is gone. You should remove this link. > > > > > > > Search Engine Optimization (SEO) > > > > Google has an excellent article on this subject which every volunteer > should read: > > > > > http://www.google.com/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not hard changing motors. If its good and worth another motor. Whats wrong with it? On Nov 15, 2013 5:36 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > LOL. good idies Mary. We did consider takeing the rear axel and bed and > making a wagon........... > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Saban > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > be a redneck ---- bring it home, park it and plant flowers in the bed etc > after salvaging the engine parts, you can plant flowers there too lol!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:31 PM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > Well, now that the truck is off the side of the interstate I'm thinking all > we can do is offer it a decent passing. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:38 PM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > Oh. > When yer done I have a steering column needes r n r. > On Nov 14, 2013 10:35 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > Send it to me. I'll convert into a pdf and post it on the Tennessee > site! > > > > Don't mean to be blunt...just got a lot going today. It's my day for > > broken > > down trucks. > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > American Local History Network > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > www.alhn.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:28 PM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > > > Yes... gee such a long answer. > > I have the book digitized each page is a picture. > > Still interested? > > On Nov 14, 2013 10:26 AM, <jgreece55@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > > American Local History Network > > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > > www.alhn.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dan M > > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:13 PM > > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > > > > > Any interest for a book called Annals of Tazwell? > > > Dan > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Every one to thier own. I do like what Jim posted. It is what my dream was too until too many things blocked my efforts. Each person has thier own personal views and efforts. It cant be expected to clone Jim and not all people will clone Cindy and not all volunteers are going to stick around being told how to make a web site if alhn decides to request certain templates or guidlines in their energitic thoughts of being known . Get to strict or to pushy people will shy off and it will be very hard to convience folks to get involved. I see power of an argument in the works and to best have folks on the roster is give those who are new a sample page with logos in place and let them grow or prune thier own expectations. I have not seen Jims site yet. But find a grave is add supported. Its also rumored ancestry took it over. Adds do help. Some folks are just plain poor. Like me lol. I liked Cindy blog I like simple. But also I like complex. Being that there is time and my brain can keep up. Joyce is a very smart cookie. I am sure. Talking to her about your ideas and web pages folks will get some terrific ideas back. But make no misstake... no one is trying to clone the big sites. How ever. Holding back on what a big site might have could be in error because not all big sites are search engine oriented. Thats where the little folks like us come in. There are many ways you can get your pages known. Meta and headers are a couple. Transcribing and finding other transcribers from other sites and invite them to be a part of your site. Links to relitive contents of your site to other places. Cindys list was mentioned. How do you think she got known? Just by making her index. I THINK Jims post is right on target to his adventure. Granted. Not all of us may be that dedicated or in understanding his ways. But his ideas are what its all about. The best information that can be found is the best way. If you see a dent in the ground. Dont walk on by. List it. Let me explain one of my experiences... ps i dont have a spell checker on the phone. But it takes less power here off grid ... any how. In my early days. We were taking pictures ... before find a grave ... in the bueana vista (sp) cemetery in Independence Oregon area. I heard a rumor a cousin was there. I found lots of other names Prather being one. Did not find a Matney. Until we went to the museum and my wife found a listing. Then later I was wondering how a Matney got there. Why not in the cemetery of Hill top with other Matneys. So... I stopped and did some research.i foumd out he had been a part of the Prather people who worked in the woods... well any how.. more to that but there are reasons Jim is trying to explain. So some one who wants a website.. and to run it your way. Read and learn about what Jim said. Then. After that. Go make your site. Keeping Jim in your thoughts and questions. Is my work as good as it can be. Or am I going to lead a long hard brick wall search to another dead end. That indent in the cemetery was my missing Matney. Still has no marker and I am most likly the only Matney living now that knows where he is lost to. In the many years of my research.. I learned something. .... if you dont talk to the elders just because they are old.. history is lost. If you hold onto facts and the older ones who would like to know... they die... and go to the big place never knowing were thier people went. So... Alhn is a history net work.. you all the webbing. Either connect the strands or give some one who will a chance to be a part of you. I read films till I was dizzy. I gave up for six years while I spent time making this place. Its a pioneer of times. It was to find out how hard it would be for a person on a wagon train to stop in the wild. And create a home.. no place to work or earn money and no stores. It all had to be salvage or free some how. Or traded or bartered . Later yard sales came to play. I was 63 when we bought this 40 acres. It was just brush. Sage and grease wood. No people very close. Most of the places people stopped to settle are abandoned. The weather is not the best and the dust and winds can drive the best away. Its not a convienent place. But its quiet. Not many people my age would even want to try what I did. Not many will want to try what Jim did. But for those who do want to help be sure what you represent is usefull. When u see that indent. See about why its there who it was and if any thing at least put it out there. Some one just might stop and fill you in. Looks like folks could listen to Jim and learn more than we do know. I have many dents in my website and many years of catching up. Too many people passed away while I was busy. But I can tell you now. Just how hard it was to make a root cellar dont think that diging a 8-12 foot hole by hand is easy. By four plus feet deep. If you want to know. Get a good shouvle and lots of 4-4 and 2-8s and some roofing tin and see. Then you will have a long story about your dent in the ground. Ok next. Here on my place. Speaking of dents. Is a out house hole and where a cabin once was. The army blew them up in 1945. I am going to see about who was there and if possible a restroation is possible. Thanks Jim. Very inspiring. Dan On Nov 15, 2013 4:45 AM, "Jim Powell" <jpowelljr@gru.net> wrote: > We have big plans for our Virtual Cemetery website... Voices over > stones, where descendants or historians add an audio or video story > about those interred. We plan to link documents from our Ancient > Records website to those interred. Where available we will add photos > of those interred. Find a grave is hit and miss, not complete > cemeteries. We always have permission to photograph the stones in > cemeteries that are taken care of or commercial. Do those that do Find > A Grave always request permission. We photograph everything in order > and post it in order. It is not in alphabetical order. There are > several searches on the site, one includes the text on graves found in > the 1960s by the DAR that no longer exist. We photograph rocks, piles of > bricks, whats left of wooden markers... where possible we even > photograph depressions. We work with State Archeologists with GPR on > some of our abandoned historic cemeteries. We are way more than Find A > Grave ever imagined. You can use our site to take a tour of the actual > cemetery with your smart phone or tablet. It can lead you to a specific > grave. It has been used to replace recovered stolen stones back to > where they came from. Find A Grave is supported by ads, our site is > supported by me, no ads. I don't mind sharing with them, but there must > be a link from each photo to our more in depth website. That is just my > Humble Opinion. I would never ever just put our hard work on Find A > Grave. Are you saying that since there is a USGenWeb, an Ancestry.com, > a FamilySearch.org and much more, that ALHN should put everything > there? Everything I do is a step above what the existing sites provide > and it comes from a place in my heart of giving and sharing not the make > a buck mentality of some of the more commercial sites, anything with > ads, or anything that is "for sale". I'll continue doing what I do... > Just to show you the power of our websites, I was working on checking a > transcription awhile back and there was a name that I wasn't sure of. I > Googled it and the first result was a stone from our website with the > correct name on it. In a way I had answered my own question. I am > supported with Volunteers by the local Historical Commission and the > local DAR. We are going to grow, not prosper, unless you count the > priceless documenting of everything that exists in our local cemeteries. > I'm sure Ancestry would take anything you want to give them as would > Find A Grave. Is that where we are going, or are we here to do better > and to do it for FREE? > I do what I do because I care, not because it is easy. > > Jim > Jim Powell Jr > Wizard of AR > http://www.wizardofar.org/ > http://www.facebook.com/wizardofar > Ancient Records Coordinator > Alachua County Clerk of Court > http://www.alachuaclerk.org/archive/ > http://www.facebook.com/ACARVol > > On 11/15/2013 6:01 AM, Cyndy Cox wrote: > > I do not add records that are easily available on "big sites" to my web > > pages. I do have some cemeteries because my pictures are larger and you > > can download them to your computer if you want one. > > > > Also, I do more local history than genealogy. I photograph schools, > > churches and neighborhoods. I like to give people an opportunity to see > > what it was like to live in a particular area. > > > > Cyndy > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. > It > >> is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > >> genealogists > >> want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several > other > >> sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital > records > >> online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful > to > >> genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it > needs > >> to go > >> on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if > you > >> would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find > that a > >> lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > >> your ALHN webpage. > >> Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > >> possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they > used > >> to. I > >> know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find > data > >> on > >> their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > >> added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a > link to > >> Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > >> ALHN > >> website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name > and > >> ALHN > >> affiliation. > >> > >> Just my humble opinion :) > >> > >> Sherrye > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > >> > >> Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > >> cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build > databases > >> for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > >> still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > >> Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative > is > >> into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > >> Tallahassee. We will see. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I do not add records that are easily available on "big sites" to my web pages. I do have some cemeteries because my pictures are larger and you can download them to your computer if you want one. Also, I do more local history than genealogy. I photograph schools, churches and neighborhoods. I like to give people an opportunity to see what it was like to live in a particular area. Cyndy On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > genealogists > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs > to go > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > your ALHN webpage. > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used > to. I > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data > on > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > ALHN > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and > ALHN > affiliation. > > Just my humble opinion :) > > Sherrye > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes genealogists want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs to go on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on your ALHN webpage. Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used to. I know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data on their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that ALHN website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and ALHN affiliation. Just my humble opinion :) Sherrye In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpowelljr@gru.net writes: Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in Tallahassee. We will see.

be a redneck ---- bring it home, park it and plant flowers in the bed etc after salvaging the engine parts, you can plant flowers there too lol!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:31 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO Well, now that the truck is off the side of the interstate I'm thinking all we can do is offer it a decent passing. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Dan M Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:38 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO Oh. When yer done I have a steering column needes r n r. On Nov 14, 2013 10:35 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Send it to me. I'll convert into a pdf and post it on the Tennessee site! > > Don't mean to be blunt...just got a lot going today. It's my day for > broken > down trucks. > > THANKS > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:28 PM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > Yes... gee such a long answer. > I have the book digitized each page is a picture. > Still interested? > On Nov 14, 2013 10:26 AM, <jgreece55@gmail.com> wrote: > > > yes > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > American Local History Network > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > www.alhn.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:13 PM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > > > Any interest for a book called Annals of Tazwell? > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, now that the truck is off the side of the interstate I'm thinking all we can do is offer it a decent passing. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Dan M Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:38 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO Oh. When yer done I have a steering column needes r n r. On Nov 14, 2013 10:35 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Send it to me. I'll convert into a pdf and post it on the Tennessee site! > > Don't mean to be blunt...just got a lot going today. It's my day for > broken > down trucks. > > THANKS > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:28 PM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > Yes... gee such a long answer. > I have the book digitized each page is a picture. > Still interested? > On Nov 14, 2013 10:26 AM, <jgreece55@gmail.com> wrote: > > > yes > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > American Local History Network > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > www.alhn.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:13 PM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] Tazwell CO > > > > Any interest for a book called Annals of Tazwell? > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cyndy, a very good idea. A blog platform such as WordPress is free but still needs a hosting service which can always be scrounged somewhere. If the volunteer would rather use a WYSIWYG editor, Weebly is an excellent choice. Dead easy and they host your site for free as well. Those who eventually take over some of the States or counties that need adopting where Nathan has already created a placeholder for them in his Content Management software would also be easy for people to use. We don't lack for options that can create W3C compliant websites but what we lack is how we deal with a new volunteer when they join our organization. I think there should be some sort of "welcome kit" if you will that outlines choices and options for creating websites and someone to walk the new person through those options. Perhaps some design and quality standards should be discussed as well. More information about the organization and how it is structured might also be included in this kit. Paul On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Cyndy Cox <cyndycox@gmail.com> wrote: > It is getting harder to find people who are willing to create websites and > I feel that this is hurting our recruiting efforts. I already link to some > blogs from my webpages, but blogs could serve as county sites too. > > Should we consider linking to blogs that are about the history of a > particular are? Blogs are easier for people to create. I can think of > several blogs that would be great additions to our sites. > > Cyndy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >