Mary, I think you meant "less than $1.00 per day, not $10. Also, Rootsweb has discontinued SSDI on the free site: http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html and if you search on Ancestry for SSDI you must have a membership. Actually, you can search SSDI and get results, but to see individual records you have to have a membership. Paul On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Mary Saban <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Everyone went through this when Ancestry acquired Rootsweb. There was mass > panic, and yet Rootsweb is still going strong and free. As for SSDI, I > believe it is still free on Rootsweb as is the 1880 census (agreement with > the LDS church). > > If you think they are making themselves rich on your less than $10 a day > for > 24/7 access to world wide records, then you are fooling yourselves. Just > think of the cost of all the servers, the scanners, the manpower, the IT > techs, etc, that provide viewers with scanned images of the originals, > whether it be census, city directories (which are coming on line more and > more), vital records etc. They are expanding into foreign countries and > will be doing more in the future. I happen to be home bound 24/7 and > cannot > go to do the research I used to. Trust me, the $299/yr for their > membership > is far less than what we were paying for rental of microfilm rolls at the > local LDS library. And we were limited to when we could use the library. > > There is still a lot of data to be put on line in every one of our states > and counties. That data is in the form of courthouse records, old > newspapers, and yes some cemetery lists. Panic if you want, I for one am > glad that it happened. The founder and owner of FAG in his letter to > contributors explains how it had grown beyond his capacity to keep it up. > He is still there, heading it up, but now with the money and resources of > AC > to back him. I believe what changes what will come from AC will be > enhancements. > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Johnson > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:10 AM > To: ALHN-GENERAL > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all have > been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make > money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into making > someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, > when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon > ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? > > There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors in > spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the > tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's > family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN > will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A > commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information > on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and > that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the > smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on > ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on > findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free > genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own > downfall. > > I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the > end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting > ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. > > David Johnson > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > > > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse > records > > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind of > > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them > > come > > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great > > for > > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > > people to > > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > > until this > > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > > Find-A-Grave, > > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > > add the lot > > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins > can > > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > > spouses > > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > > feel the > > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create > a > > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just aren't > > available anywhere else. > > > > Sherrye > > > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ancestry.com Acquires Find A Grave http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2013/09/30/ancestry-com-acquires-find-a-grave/ *We will maintain Find A Grave as a free website, will retain its existing policies and mode of operation, and look forward to working with Jim Tipton and . . . . . . . . * Paul On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:10 AM, David Johnson <davidj.alhn@gmail.com>wrote: > If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all have > been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make > money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into making > someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, > when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon > ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? > > There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors in > spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the > tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's > family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN > will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A > commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information > on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and > that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the > smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on > ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on > findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free > genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own > downfall. > > I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the > end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting > ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. > > David Johnson > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > > > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse > records > > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind of > > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them > come > > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great > for > > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > > people to > > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > > until this > > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > > Find-A-Grave, > > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > > add the lot > > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins > can > > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > > spouses > > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > > feel the > > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create > a > > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just aren't > > available anywhere else. > > > > Sherrye > > > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Everyone There was a bit of a disconnect between Joyce and me when the results of my analysis of the State websites were sent to you in her email. Please let me explain. My analysis was not about the broken links on these sites but rather I set out to examine two issues: 1. Does the website appear on first 5 pages of results in Google using two keywords: “genealogy” and the name of the State? 2. Number of HTML coding errors on only the index page of the website as measured by W3C markup validation service. Includes errors and warnings. I did this because the topic of the past two weeks on our boards was how to better market our organization. My suspicion was that researchers didn’t know about us because they can’t find our websites when doing Web searches. I set out then to either prove or disprove my hypothesis. In so far as only the State websites was concerned, my hypothesis was correct. Only 5 of the 50 (actually 48) websites showed up in the first 5 pages (50 ranked results) of a Google search. This link has a cleaner chart of my results: http://www.paulpuente.com/analysis.html The other issue dealt with the number of html and script errors on the home page of the State. You might ask, “If the page displays then what difference does the number of errors matter?”. The answer is that it matters a great deal. Not only might the page not display correctly in other browsers or older versions of browsers but Google, Yahoo, and other search engines measure the quality of the website and whether a website page meets W3C standards is important. It is my hope that my tutorials will help you improve your sites. One other correction in Joyce’s email introducing my tutorials. I’ll be rolling these out over the next couple of months, not weeks. Again, in case you missed it, you can find the first one at: http://www.paulpuente.com/tutorial_1.html. This is the series of topics I will be covering in my tutorials. All of these are important if you are to improve your site's search engine ranking. • Keyword usage • Site structure • Site speed • Time spent on site • Number of inbound links • Quality of inbound links We can market and advertise our organization all we want but unless we show up in the first couple of pages of search engine results we will never become known. Paul

One thing I think would be nice is for volunteers to share lookups for other volunteers in their respective areas. As for find a grave. Great resource. And a lesson in what a good website data base can do. I plan to link all my relations on my site to find a grave when one exhists. No matter who is the admin of that site. I think my wife and I have about 100 not to mention the other 800 relations I am aware of. I was wondering a out the title history network was meaning more about local history than a genealogy data base such as rootsweb ancestry and us gen web. Are are just cloning those? Why?

I am not sure what your point is. If ALHN gets defeated, using your words, it won't be because of Ancestry or Fold3 or any other organization. It will be because it failed to adapt to the current genealogical environment and got itself into bickering. I am out of here. Won't be hearing from me again. I will continue to follow the Board and its decisions, and we will continue to be affiliated with them as long as any new rules do not affect our independent ownership of our domain and pages. As for Ancestry making a profit, I would be upset if they were in the red and could not pay their bills. I am not anti-business, and they are providing a much needed service to the genealogy community. So have a great weekend David Mary -----Original Message----- From: David Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:26 AM To: ALHN-GENERAL Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN No panic, and no fear. I didn't mean to start that. It doesn't matter if ancestry charges for findagrave or not at a later date. I still won't give my info to them. But ancestry does charge for the formerly free SSDI, breaking its earlier promise, and their excuse that the SSDI had become controversial was just an excuse, because the controversial database is still accessible- but for a fee- but even that is not my main point. Yes, do pay when you have to, totally understandable when you can't get information any other way. I can go to the state archives in my state a few times a year, but otherwise I use free sites. It's just that mainly I feel that sending information (not so much the money) to another site is assisting in the defeat of ALHN. They'll have what you send and ALHN won't. I'm only concerned with ALHN's future. When the commercial sites continue to progress, at what point do we stop backing away? What I'm trying to do is encourage our members to put all they can on their ALHN sites and build up ALHN rather than giving it away to other sites, but of course it is just my opinion presented as anyone else does. As for ancestry's profits, they've done well. I found a link for a $62.9 million profit in 2011 and a $1.6 billion stock purchase in 2012, but that's still not my point. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/permira-said-to-buy-ancestry-com-for-1-6-billion/?_r=0 And yes, familysearch has the SSDI for free. Do a search for death in their main search, or I have a link that limits the search to just the SSDI at familysearch. David Johnson On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Mary Saban <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Everyone went through this when Ancestry acquired Rootsweb. There was > mass > panic, and yet Rootsweb is still going strong and free. As for SSDI, I > believe it is still free on Rootsweb as is the 1880 census (agreement with > the LDS church). > > If you think they are making themselves rich on your less than $10 a day > for > 24/7 access to world wide records, then you are fooling yourselves. Just > think of the cost of all the servers, the scanners, the manpower, the IT > techs, etc, that provide viewers with scanned images of the originals, > whether it be census, city directories (which are coming on line more and > more), vital records etc. They are expanding into foreign countries and > will be doing more in the future. I happen to be home bound 24/7 and > cannot > go to do the research I used to. Trust me, the $299/yr for their > membership > is far less than what we were paying for rental of microfilm rolls at the > local LDS library. And we were limited to when we could use the library. > > There is still a lot of data to be put on line in every one of our states > and counties. That data is in the form of courthouse records, old > newspapers, and yes some cemetery lists. Panic if you want, I for one am > glad that it happened. The founder and owner of FAG in his letter to > contributors explains how it had grown beyond his capacity to keep it up. > He is still there, heading it up, but now with the money and resources of > AC > to back him. I believe what changes what will come from AC will be > enhancements. > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Johnson > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:10 AM > To: ALHN-GENERAL > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all > have > been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make > money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into > making > someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, > when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon > ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? > > There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors > in > spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the > tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's > family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN > will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A > commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information > on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and > that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the > smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on > ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on > findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free > genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own > downfall. > > I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the > end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting > ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. > > David Johnson > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > > > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse > records > > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind > > of > > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them > > come > > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great > > for > > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > > people to > > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > > until this > > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > > Find-A-Grave, > > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > > add the lot > > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins > can > > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > > spouses > > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > > feel the > > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create > a > > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just > > aren't > > available anywhere else. > > > > Sherrye > > > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No panic, and no fear. I didn't mean to start that. It doesn't matter if ancestry charges for findagrave or not at a later date. I still won't give my info to them. But ancestry does charge for the formerly free SSDI, breaking its earlier promise, and their excuse that the SSDI had become controversial was just an excuse, because the controversial database is still accessible- but for a fee- but even that is not my main point. Yes, do pay when you have to, totally understandable when you can't get information any other way. I can go to the state archives in my state a few times a year, but otherwise I use free sites. It's just that mainly I feel that sending information (not so much the money) to another site is assisting in the defeat of ALHN. They'll have what you send and ALHN won't. I'm only concerned with ALHN's future. When the commercial sites continue to progress, at what point do we stop backing away? What I'm trying to do is encourage our members to put all they can on their ALHN sites and build up ALHN rather than giving it away to other sites, but of course it is just my opinion presented as anyone else does. As for ancestry's profits, they've done well. I found a link for a $62.9 million profit in 2011 and a $1.6 billion stock purchase in 2012, but that's still not my point. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/permira-said-to-buy-ancestry-com-for-1-6-billion/?_r=0 And yes, familysearch has the SSDI for free. Do a search for death in their main search, or I have a link that limits the search to just the SSDI at familysearch. David Johnson On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Mary Saban <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Everyone went through this when Ancestry acquired Rootsweb. There was mass > panic, and yet Rootsweb is still going strong and free. As for SSDI, I > believe it is still free on Rootsweb as is the 1880 census (agreement with > the LDS church). > > If you think they are making themselves rich on your less than $10 a day > for > 24/7 access to world wide records, then you are fooling yourselves. Just > think of the cost of all the servers, the scanners, the manpower, the IT > techs, etc, that provide viewers with scanned images of the originals, > whether it be census, city directories (which are coming on line more and > more), vital records etc. They are expanding into foreign countries and > will be doing more in the future. I happen to be home bound 24/7 and > cannot > go to do the research I used to. Trust me, the $299/yr for their > membership > is far less than what we were paying for rental of microfilm rolls at the > local LDS library. And we were limited to when we could use the library. > > There is still a lot of data to be put on line in every one of our states > and counties. That data is in the form of courthouse records, old > newspapers, and yes some cemetery lists. Panic if you want, I for one am > glad that it happened. The founder and owner of FAG in his letter to > contributors explains how it had grown beyond his capacity to keep it up. > He is still there, heading it up, but now with the money and resources of > AC > to back him. I believe what changes what will come from AC will be > enhancements. > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Johnson > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:10 AM > To: ALHN-GENERAL > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all have > been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make > money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into making > someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, > when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon > ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? > > There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors in > spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the > tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's > family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN > will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A > commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information > on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and > that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the > smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on > ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on > findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free > genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own > downfall. > > I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the > end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting > ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. > > David Johnson > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > > > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse > records > > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind of > > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them > > come > > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great > > for > > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > > people to > > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > > until this > > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > > Find-A-Grave, > > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > > add the lot > > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins > can > > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > > spouses > > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > > feel the > > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create > a > > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just aren't > > available anywhere else. > > > > Sherrye > > > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes I did. Sorry about that. As for SSDI, I was not aware of that but may have happened because the federal government was talking about denying all access to it because of personal info becoming available on dead people and being used by criminals etc. Perhaps moving it to a pay site was a compromise. It would have been a great loss if the govt had shut it down totally. I haven't checked to see if other gen sites have it such as FamilySearch. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Paul Puente Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:55 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Mary, I think you meant "less than $1.00 per day, not $10. Also, Rootsweb has discontinued SSDI on the free site: http://searches.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ssdi.html and if you search on Ancestry for SSDI you must have a membership. Actually, you can search SSDI and get results, but to see individual records you have to have a membership. Paul On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Mary Saban <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Everyone went through this when Ancestry acquired Rootsweb. There was > mass > panic, and yet Rootsweb is still going strong and free. As for SSDI, I > believe it is still free on Rootsweb as is the 1880 census (agreement with > the LDS church). > > If you think they are making themselves rich on your less than $10 a day > for > 24/7 access to world wide records, then you are fooling yourselves. Just > think of the cost of all the servers, the scanners, the manpower, the IT > techs, etc, that provide viewers with scanned images of the originals, > whether it be census, city directories (which are coming on line more and > more), vital records etc. They are expanding into foreign countries and > will be doing more in the future. I happen to be home bound 24/7 and > cannot > go to do the research I used to. Trust me, the $299/yr for their > membership > is far less than what we were paying for rental of microfilm rolls at the > local LDS library. And we were limited to when we could use the library. > > There is still a lot of data to be put on line in every one of our states > and counties. That data is in the form of courthouse records, old > newspapers, and yes some cemetery lists. Panic if you want, I for one am > glad that it happened. The founder and owner of FAG in his letter to > contributors explains how it had grown beyond his capacity to keep it up. > He is still there, heading it up, but now with the money and resources of > AC > to back him. I believe what changes what will come from AC will be > enhancements. > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Johnson > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:10 AM > To: ALHN-GENERAL > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all > have > been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make > money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into > making > someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, > when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon > ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? > > There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors > in > spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the > tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's > family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN > will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A > commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information > on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and > that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the > smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on > ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on > findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free > genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own > downfall. > > I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the > end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting > ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. > > David Johnson > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > > > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse > records > > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind > > of > > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them > > come > > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great > > for > > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > > people to > > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > > until this > > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > > Find-A-Grave, > > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > > add the lot > > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins > can > > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > > spouses > > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > > feel the > > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create > a > > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just > > aren't > > available anywhere else. > > > > Sherrye > > > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Everyone went through this when Ancestry acquired Rootsweb. There was mass panic, and yet Rootsweb is still going strong and free. As for SSDI, I believe it is still free on Rootsweb as is the 1880 census (agreement with the LDS church). If you think they are making themselves rich on your less than $10 a day for 24/7 access to world wide records, then you are fooling yourselves. Just think of the cost of all the servers, the scanners, the manpower, the IT techs, etc, that provide viewers with scanned images of the originals, whether it be census, city directories (which are coming on line more and more), vital records etc. They are expanding into foreign countries and will be doing more in the future. I happen to be home bound 24/7 and cannot go to do the research I used to. Trust me, the $299/yr for their membership is far less than what we were paying for rental of microfilm rolls at the local LDS library. And we were limited to when we could use the library. There is still a lot of data to be put on line in every one of our states and counties. That data is in the form of courthouse records, old newspapers, and yes some cemetery lists. Panic if you want, I for one am glad that it happened. The founder and owner of FAG in his letter to contributors explains how it had grown beyond his capacity to keep it up. He is still there, heading it up, but now with the money and resources of AC to back him. I believe what changes what will come from AC will be enhancements. Mary WY CO -----Original Message----- From: David Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:10 AM To: ALHN-GENERAL Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all have been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into making someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors in spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own downfall. I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. David Johnson On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse records > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind of > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them > come > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great > for > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > people to > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > until this > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > Find-A-Grave, > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > add the lot > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins can > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > spouses > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > feel the > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create a > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just aren't > available anywhere else. > > Sherrye > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it is true that Findagrave has been bought by ancestry, then we all have been played for fools. Ancestry would want it for only one reason- to make money off our free labor. Just think of that- we were all duped into making someone rich with our free labor, walking cemeteries and taking photos, when we could have just put that on our own sites. Do you reckon that soon ancestry will make it a pay site to view it like they did with the SSDI? There is something I have done with cemetery data that attracts visitors in spite of Findagrave. I write a complete history of the cemetery, all the tombstone data, and then add several paragraphs of who the deceased's family were and any information I can find about them. What we put on ALHN will remain free and stay here if we make our sites Legacy sites. A commercial site cannot be trusted. If we shy away from putting information on our sites, giving up to commercial sites, soon we'll have to quit, and that's Ancestry's goal. They buy out the competition and out pace the smaller sites to make them quit. Eventually every court record will be on ancestry, too. Maybe if we quit paying, and quit putting photos on findagrave ourselves, we won't be the cause of our own failure, and free genealogy will have a chance. We have willingly participated in our own downfall. I say put everything you have on your own site and make ALHN grow. in the end, if both sites have the info, we stand a chance. If we keep limiting ourselves, we will keep being pushed backwards. David Johnson On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:47 PM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: > Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse records > online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind of > things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them come > back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great for > ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract > people to > small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists > offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave > until this > past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been > putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with > Find-A-Grave, > there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the > tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to > add the lot > number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of > the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins can > contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link > spouses > and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial > sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I > feel the > future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create a > niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just aren't > available anywhere else. > > Sherrye > > In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jgreece55@gmail.com writes: > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great point Sherrye. And I would like to add one more thing. If you have an image of a birth, marriage or death record, you can upload it to that memorial even if it is not yours. The owner cannot remove it since you put it up. I happen to like FAG, and for the most part have found contributors to be very cooperative. Just like anywhere, there are some who are not. Mary -----Original Message----- From: SherryeW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:04 PM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Rebekah, the individual FAG pages are supposed to show the data that was found on the tombstone. Just like with census pages, we cannot change the data as it is found, but have to add notes to the original data. The FAG contributor who "owns" the page should add your burial info to the page with a citation, but they also have to leave the tombstone info on the page as that is the source for the info on the page. I would contact the FAG webmaster and explain that you have burial info to add and see if they can get the page owner to add it. Sherrye In a message dated 11/15/2013 10:44:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, msaban@wyoming.com writes: Instead of current cemetery, why not post the WPA listing to an ALHN site? Or post the actual cemetery records to your ALHN site. These records are much more accurate than what is on find a grave. As a researcher, I don't use find a grave as a source, but as a map. Then I find other reputable sources to cite. I have the records for my church's cemetery, and no matter how many times I ask find a grave contributors to correct misinformation on this cemetery, they refuse. So, the actual records are more accurate than the find a grave listings. REBEKAH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rebekah, the individual FAG pages are supposed to show the data that was found on the tombstone. Just like with census pages, we cannot change the data as it is found, but have to add notes to the original data. The FAG contributor who "owns" the page should add your burial info to the page with a citation, but they also have to leave the tombstone info on the page as that is the source for the info on the page. I would contact the FAG webmaster and explain that you have burial info to add and see if they can get the page owner to add it. Sherrye In a message dated 11/15/2013 10:44:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, msaban@wyoming.com writes: Instead of current cemetery, why not post the WPA listing to an ALHN site? Or post the actual cemetery records to your ALHN site. These records are much more accurate than what is on find a grave. As a researcher, I don't use find a grave as a source, but as a map. Then I find other reputable sources to cite. I have the records for my church's cemetery, and no matter how many times I ask find a grave contributors to correct misinformation on this cemetery, they refuse. So, the actual records are more accurate than the find a grave listings. REBEKAH

Joyce, this isn't disagreeing with me at all. I agree courthouse records online would be a wonderful thing for ALHN sites. These are the kind of things that would be very useful to a genealogist and would make them come back to our websites. Hard to find records of any kind would be great for ALHN pages. I just think cemetery records are not going to attract people to small websites anymore when a major cemetery website already exists offering a "one-stop shopping experience". I never used Find-A-Grave until this past summer when I found some ancestors on the site. Now I have been putting all my info on that site. If you are not familiar with Find-A-Grave, there is a place for the birth and death info, a space for adding the tombstone inscription, a place for a biography if you want, a place to add the lot number/GPS info, a place to add tombstone photos or any other photos of the person, a place to add a memorial with your name so other cousins can contact you, and in my opinion the best feature is that you can link spouses and children to each page and so create an online family tree of burial sites. It is much more "usable" than a page of typed cemetery info. I feel the future of ALHN is not in adding more census or cemeteries, but to create a niche of offering hard to find local records/photos/bios that just aren't available anywhere else. Sherrye In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:07:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jgreece55@gmail.com writes: Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton

Donna Parrish has refreshed her Georgia site and we welcome you to take a visit....linked off www.alhn.org behind the states link David Johnson is the new coordinator / site manager for Illinois and should have a site up next week. We WELCOME Deborah Nagy as coordinator for Michigan. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org

And I know I'm about to say a 'badword' here but the availibility of original census and other records on ancestry and fold3 (and others) is why I keep subs to them. Primary resource documentation!!! By any genealogical or historical research standard these primary resources are the one thing that can seldom be argued with. I've learned things off original census records that many folks can't understand how its done. Here in McMinn County I can get a pretty close idea of where someone live in 1830 and 40 by looking at his neighbors on the census records since they aren't in alpha order. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Mary Saban Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents were more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of the problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. I want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the Midland County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. Have a great weekend everyone! Mary WY CO -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, Macon & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information that isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time goes on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can be 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local or state web site can be extremely helpful. My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru quite a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy of the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that information online so people would know where to look for the records they might want. There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning what's available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: SherryeW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes genealogists want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs to go on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on your ALHN webpage. Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used to. I know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data on their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that ALHN website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and ALHN affiliation. Just my humble opinion :) Sherrye In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpowelljr@gru.net writes: Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in Tallahassee. We will see. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A scanner would work great Mary. I use a digital camera. I take photo's of the original pages...upload them to the computer, names the files in page number order, then create a 'book' in pdf so it's readable by acrobat....that's my method. I'm sure there are many other ways. In this way I spend a few hours at the courthouse and a lot more at home doing things as I can get to them. I also get Works Progress Administration information when I can. I wish I were rich enough to have a microfilm scanner...one that scans the film into pdf files. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Mary Saban Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents were more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of the problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. I want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the Midland County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. Have a great weekend everyone! Mary WY CO -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, Macon & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information that isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time goes on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can be 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local or state web site can be extremely helpful. My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru quite a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy of the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that information online so people would know where to look for the records they might want. There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning what's available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: SherryeW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes genealogists want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs to go on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on your ALHN webpage. Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used to. I know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data on their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that ALHN website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and ALHN affiliation. Just my humble opinion :) Sherrye In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpowelljr@gru.net writes: Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in Tallahassee. We will see. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too keep subscriptions to Ancestry and Fold 3. They are constantly adding new material, a lot of which is are scans of the actual. Mary -----Original Message----- From: jgreece55@gmail.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:07 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN And I know I'm about to say a 'badword' here but the availibility of original census and other records on ancestry and fold3 (and others) is why I keep subs to them. Primary resource documentation!!! By any genealogical or historical research standard these primary resources are the one thing that can seldom be argued with. I've learned things off original census records that many folks can't understand how its done. Here in McMinn County I can get a pretty close idea of where someone live in 1830 and 40 by looking at his neighbors on the census records since they aren't in alpha order. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: Mary Saban Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents were more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of the problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. I want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the Midland County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. Have a great weekend everyone! Mary WY CO -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, Macon & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information that isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, one of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time goes on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can be 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things like court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local or state web site can be extremely helpful. My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in archives, court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to be creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru quite a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once someone sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy of the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that information online so people would know where to look for the records they might want. There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning what's available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org -----Original Message----- From: SherryeW@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes genealogists want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs to go on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if you would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that a lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on your ALHN webpage. Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used to. I know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data on their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link to Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that ALHN website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and ALHN affiliation. Just my humble opinion :) Sherrye In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jpowelljr@gru.net writes: Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in Tallahassee. We will see. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well Dan, I have a cell phone camera that does well, we bought ourselves a really good digital camera this year when Don retired that also takes video (that part was for grandchildren's games and concerts etc), still have our older digital which is easier to hold than the new one but not as versatile. I still want to try the newest wand scanner. I do agree on the wands when they first came out. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Dan M Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:05 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Save your money and get a good camera. Scanners are too much work to low in res and u cant control all aspects. I got a hand scanner when the very first one came out. Man was that slow. And if you snaged a staple or wiggled it was all fuzzy. Long time ago. I have not seen the newest ones. But I use my fuji 7 mega pixle... then just slip the sd card into my laptop and it copies automatically and then I use one of my photo prgs to put them in folders. Whats the brand. I want to see more of this wanna have for christmas thingy ;) Dan On Nov 15, 2013 7:58 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > Now Dan, I have had my sights set on the newest version of the wand > scanner! > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan M > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:55 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > As per scaning. You can do better with a digital camera set on medium. > For those who want to enlarge a one inch square photo.... use the > digital. > Set on med or high res macro if you have it. Your one inch photo is now > enlarged at full res. Some pratice and lighting and focus are learning > things as u go per camera. I use my cell phone when I got my firdt digital > many years ago I used it to copy pictures. This works. Its far faster and > better resolution than any scanner. > Dan > On Nov 15, 2013 7:41 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > > > I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about > > transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that > > transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents > > were > > more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. > > > > Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of > > the > > problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes > dusty > > archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held > > scanning > > wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your > > laptop. > > I > > want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the > > Midland > > County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County > > > > I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years > > ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not > > acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. > > > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > > > Mary > > WY CO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, > > Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have > > branched > > out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, > > Macon > > & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information > > that > > isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, > > one > > of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that > court > > where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and > > estates, > > property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid > > off > > many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then > there's > > the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time > > goes > > on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the > > future. > > Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. > In > > 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the > > Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you > > can > > be > > 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the > next > > door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things > > like > > court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a > local > > or state web site can be extremely helpful. > > > > My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in > > archives, > > court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to > > be > > creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data > > and > > get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There > > are > > those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web > > sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, > > many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru > > quite > > a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have > > indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once > > someone > > sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a > > copy > > of > > the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We > > learned > > what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that > > information online so people would know where to look for the records > they > > might want. > > > > There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web > > sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the > > county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning > > what's > > available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > > American Local History Network > > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > > www.alhn.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SherryeW@aol.com > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM > > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > > > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. > It > > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > > genealogists > > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several > > other > > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital > records > > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful > to > > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it > > needs > > to > > go > > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if > > you > > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find > > that > > a > > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > > your ALHN webpage. > > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they > used > > to. I > > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find > > data > > on > > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link > > to > > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > > ALHN > > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name > and > > ALHN > > affiliation. > > > > Just my humble opinion :) > > > > Sherrye > > > > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build > databases > > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative > is > > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This might be a useful link to some of you. It is a pdf file. Katherine R. Willson has created a 79-page document with over 3000 links to Facebook genealogy groups and pages, and she has a link to that PDF here: http://moonswings.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/facebook-genealogy.pdf Some of these groups are general, some are specific for countries, states, and even counties and cities. Some are specific to surnames. By posting to an appropriate group, you will be putting your research question (which can be accompanied by an image of a document, for example) in front of hundreds or even thousands of other researchers. Joyce Gaston Reece,President American Local History Network Join us in celebrating our 20th year! www.alhn.org

Now Dan, I have had my sights set on the newest version of the wand scanner! Mary -----Original Message----- From: Dan M Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:55 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN As per scaning. You can do better with a digital camera set on medium. For those who want to enlarge a one inch square photo.... use the digital. Set on med or high res macro if you have it. Your one inch photo is now enlarged at full res. Some pratice and lighting and focus are learning things as u go per camera. I use my cell phone when I got my firdt digital many years ago I used it to copy pictures. This works. Its far faster and better resolution than any scanner. Dan On Nov 15, 2013 7:41 AM, "Mary Saban" <msaban@wyoming.com> wrote: > I am going to throw in my two cents on this one. I quit worrying about > transcribing census a while back when a researcher reminded me that > transcribers can make mistakes and that scans of the original documents > were > more valuable in proving a case. So on that point I agree with Sherry. > > Joyce has a great point about the wills etc in the courthouses. One of > the > problems has always been the time involved to sit in their sometimes dusty > archives and write out a transcription. There are new hand held scanning > wands that will scan an entire page and remotely transmit to your laptop. > I > want one of those. When I get one, I will be testing it out in the > Midland > County courthouse, and I am not even a coordinator for Midland County > > I do not know how the DAR is now, but when I joined about 12 or 13 years > ago, each step had to be documented -- transcriptions of census were not > acceptable, transcriptions of anything were not acceptable. > > Have a great weekend everyone! > > Mary > WY CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce Gaston Reece > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:02 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > Sherry, I agree with your statements to a point but here is my > disagreement. I research in a region of counties....Hamilton, Bradley, > Meigs, Knox, McMinn, Polk, Monroe, Blount, Roane in TN and have branched > out into western North Carolina Counties of Haywood, Graham, Cherokee, > Macon > & Clay. In every last one of these counties is a myriad of information > that > isn't online and won't be online for many years to come. For instance, > one > of the best friends any researcher has is lower court records...that court > where estate and other civil matters are heard....like wills and estates, > property disputes, etc. These are the records that will blow the lid off > many family searches that are at that so-called brick wall. Then there's > the TONS of other court records like circuit and criminal. And as time > goes > on those records will become more valuable for researchers of the future. > Deeds - abstracted deeds can also help establish family relationships. In > 1830, ie, if grandpa John, at 20 years, lived near or next door to the > Smith's and Grandpa John married Jane Smith at the age of 22 then you can > be > 90% sure that the Jane Smith grandpa John married was that dtr of the next > door neighbor. This situation is a very good clue. So putting things > like > court indices, deed abstracts or indices and all this type data on a local > or state web site can be extremely helpful. > > My point is that there is way too much data still lying around in > archives, > court house basements, libraries etc that isn't online. We just have to > be > creative enough to figure out how we, as volunteers can get that data and > get it online. One thing Sharon and I did was use volunteers. There are > those out there who have time to transcribe but don't wish to create web > sites. We had one volunteer who printed microfilmed copies of interest, > many concerning death notices. He went to the libraries and went thru > quite > a few microfilmed newspapers. As a result we had volunteers who have > indexed the names, close to 1500, and put those names online. Once > someone > sees a name they want they can contact the Monroe Co. Archives for a copy > of > the article. We did the same with the circuit court records. We learned > what the movements were within the Chancery Court and posted that > information online so people would know where to look for the records they > might want. > > There's many, many ways we can offer more and new information on our web > sites. Sometimes it may be just a matter of making a phone call to the > county you're doing and establishing a relationship or two. Learning > what's > available and creating ways to work with who and what's 'out there'. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece,President > American Local History Network > Join us in celebrating our 20th year! > www.alhn.org > -----Original Message----- > From: SherryeW@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04 AM > To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN > > This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. It > is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes > genealogists > want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other > sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital records > online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful to > genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs > to > go > on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if > you > would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that > a > lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on > your ALHN webpage. > Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as > possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they used > to. I > know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data > on > their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be > added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link > to > Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that > ALHN > website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name and > ALHN > affiliation. > > Just my humble opinion :) > > Sherrye > > > In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jpowelljr@gru.net writes: > > Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 > cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build databases > for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are > still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates > Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative is > into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in > Tallahassee. We will see. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rebekah, Find a Grave is a good tool but individual contributors can be a pain in the backside. I have been trying to add birth and records where I can, marriage records etc. A contributor has 30 days to make the correction. I always send again after the 30 days on the presumption the first got lost in cyberspace. After that you can ask FAG to step in and correct if you have the documentation. Also on FAG, if you ask for a transfer and are within the 4 generation direct guideline and the contributor is farther, FAG will transfer it to you if the contributor will not. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Rebekah Headings Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:46 AM To: alhn-general@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALHN-GENERAL] cemetery info on ALHN Instead of current cemetery, why not post the WPA listing to an ALHN site? Or post the actual cemetery records to your ALHN site. These records are much more accurate than what is on find a grave. As a researcher, I don't use find a grave as a source, but as a map. Then I find other reputable sources to cite. I have the records for my church's cemetery, and no matter how many times I ask find a grave contributors to correct misinformation on this cemetery, they refuse. So, the actual records are more accurate than the find a grave listings. REBEKAH Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Cyndy Cox <cyndycox@gmail.com> wrote: > > I do not add records that are easily available on "big sites" to my web > pages. I do have some cemeteries because my pictures are larger and you > can download them to your computer if you want one. > > Also, I do more local history than genealogy. I photograph schools, > churches and neighborhoods. I like to give people an opportunity to see > what it was like to live in a particular area. > > Cyndy > > >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM, <SherryeW@aol.com> wrote: >> >> This is one of the reasons I feel that ALHN is not as active anymore. >> It >> is hard to get great data to put on a small website that makes >> genealogists >> want to use it again and again. Census is already done by several other >> sites, and there are a few large cemetery websites. LDS has vital >> records >> online. I feel that putting up cemetery info on the ALHN isn't helpful >> to >> genealogists anymore. If you want to get it out to the public, it needs >> to go >> on to Find-A-Grave (or similar sites). It would be wonderful, Jim, if >> you >> would add your 30 cemeteries to that website. I think you will find that >> a >> lot of your info is already on Find-A-Grave and would be duplicated on >> your ALHN webpage. >> Most genealogists want to shop for their info in as few places as >> possible, and don't want to have to visit many little sites like they >> used >> to. I >> know I don't. If ALHN concentrated on unpublished and hard to find data >> on >> their websites it might help. But I feel that cemetery info should be >> added to one large free database for all to use. There could be a link >> to >> Find-A-Grave on the ALHN websites with a list of which cemeteries that >> ALHN >> website has added. And each gravesite could show the submitters name >> and >> ALHN >> affiliation. >> >> Just my humble opinion :) >> >> Sherrye >> >> >> In a message dated 11/14/2013 1:22:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> jpowelljr@gru.net writes: >> >> Lastly, like I said there is so much here to do, I have about 30 >> cemeteries that we have photographed that I need to edit, build >> databases >> for and deploy for Volunteers to add the info from the stones. We are >> still fighting to get something into the legislature that separates >> Ancient Records from Modern day Court Files. Our Local Representative >> is >> into history and says he supports us, but can he pull off something in >> Tallahassee. We will see. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALHN-GENERAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message