Jim, The children for Joshua and Lydia I have are: Josiah b. 1816 SC Elizabeth Monk b. 1820 SC Jermiah (Ira) Monk b. 1821 SC Thomas Monk b. 1822 Children of Thomas Monk and Elizabeth Hamby Gracey C. Monk born 1857, in Henry Co., Al Thomas James (jim) Monk born 1861 in Henry Co., Al m. Francis Kirkalnd Ella Monk b. 1870 in Henry Co., Al m. Henry Jackson Harrell ***My direct line. Ann Monk Born 1864 in Henry Co. Antimissa Monk b. 1840 in Henry Co. m. Sidney Kirkland (son of Caleb Kirkland). Caleb was born in 1842 in Henry Co. and is the brother to Matthew Kirkland. Children of Antimisaa & Sidney Lorence, Chimero, Ardelia, Alzada, Iola, Nathon, Ellie, Albert, Peyton and Docie. John Ira Monk born 12/21/1850 in Henry Co. m Arrena Kirkland (Arrena is the daughter of Levia Kirkland of Henry Co.,) My question is Caleb and Matthew Kirkland's father is who? Arrena is Levi Kirklands daughter, how is related to Kirkland Line? How are all these people related to Lydia and Aaron Kirkland SR. from Edgefield District, SC? Is Aaron the great uncle to Matthew and Caleb? Where does that leave Levi and Arrena? Lorie Harrell QSCV@twave.net PS. Before anyone gets upset and says why is she posting to this list. My people that I am researching have lived in many different states and Counties. -----Original Message----- From: Jimmie D. Monk <crawfish@worldnetla.net> To: 'John R. Harrell' <QSCV@twave.net> Cc: 'crawfish@worldnetla.net' <crawfish@worldnetla.net> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:44 PM Subject: RE: CRAWFISH - INTRO >Hi Lorie, > >Right on. I believe this is the Joshua. From the info that I've seen, he >appears only in the 1830 AL census in Bibb County, and I recall no Monks in >the 1840 AL census index (although something might be missing). However, >Lydia appears in 1850 Henry Co., as do Josiah, Thomas, and Uriah (likely >sons of Joshua and Lydia). Along with Lydia in 1860, appear Jeremiah, >Josiah, Thomas, and Thomas R. in Henry Co. It's been some time since I >looked at this line, but Joshua was listed 50-60 years in 1830, while Lydia >was 40-50. Therefore able to determine birth year within a ten-year span. > Listed also were seven other males (sons?) and three females (daughters?). > Two males and one female listed 20-30, three males 15-20, one male and one >female 10-15, one male and one female 5-10. One may, thereby, determine >possible timeframe for marriage and refine approximate birth years. As I >said previously, because of the fact that Joshua and Isaac were both in >Bibb Co. in 1830; were likely both from Edgefield Dist., SC; were both near >in age; I would reckon that a close relationship existed between the two. > I have somewhere settled on 1797 as Isaac's birth year, and (working from >memory now) I believe I somehow approximated Joshua's birth year to 1780. > I'll need to check that further. I know that Isaac had moved to >Natchitoches Parish, LA by the 1840 census, but I do find it strange that >neither Joshua nor Lydia appear in an 1840 census, not only AL but any >other I've seen. They might have been in process of moving from Bibb to >Henry at the time and simply have been missed for that reason. > >Any rate, you might want to post Joshua to the group. I know Nancy Watkins >is a descendant of that line, and I think there are others who are >researching it. Nancy also has a cousin who hasn't signed on with the >group but who is also working that line. Hopefully we will, after a time, >come away somewhat wiser on many of these folks than we were in the begi >nning. > >Regards, >Jim > > > >On Thursday, March 25, 1999 11:39 AM, John R. Harrell [SMTP:QSCV@twave.net] >wrote: >> Jimmie, >> >> I have a Joshua Monk who married Lydia Kirkland. Both are from Edgefield >> District, SC and moved to Henry Co. around 1800's . Could this be the >> Joshua? >> >> Lorie >> qscv@twave.net >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jimmie D. Monk <crawfish@worldnetla.net> >> To: James Arnett <jarnett@flash.net>; Brenda Burton >> <brendamozleyburton@usa.net>; Lottie <punkin1@etex.net>; Lorie Harrell >> <QSCV@twave.net>; David Henderson <david_hndrsn@hotmail.com>; Kirk Keitha >> <KKirk6@aol.com>; Long Glen <glong@juno.com>; Charles S. Miller >> <malden@islc.net>; Monk Barb <CBJKC@aol.com>; Bob Monk ><rcm4me@yahoo.com>; >> Monk Gary <monk@jps.net>; Monk Jimmie D. <crawfish@worldnetla.net>; Jean >> Niemeyer <LdySearchr@aol.com>; Otto Teresa <AFOTTO@prodigy.net>; Parker >> David <DaveOahu@aol.com>; Donald Piserchio ><doorpiserchio@mindspring.com>; >> Reisner Nena <Dreisner1@aol.com>; Ryman Betty <dryman@sat.net>; Scott >Grace >> <grace-scott@email.msn.com>; Alexis Smith <LEX051EE@aol.com>; Watkins >Nancy >> <WAWNEW@worldnet.att.net> >> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:26 PM >> Subject: CRAWFISH - INTRO >> >> >> >Dear Family and Friends, >> > >> >I am Jimmie D. Monk (Jim) of Lacamp, Vernon Parish, LA. I was born >> >December 28, 1949 to Fred Marcus and Venson (Miller) Monk. I retired >from >> >the US Navy in 1991 after 20+ years as a naval cryptologist. Since that >> >time I have mostly taught school at the small, rural high school from >which >> >I graduated many moons ago. I teach Social Studies (American History, >> >World History, and World Geography), English III, and variously French >or >> >Spanish. I became interested in genealogical research after having >> >attended several family reunions and realized that too little was known >> >about our family. After some reflection, I also realized that I was >not >> >doing my part to change that. With some infectiously inspirational >> >encouragement from a relative, Betty (Monk)Ryman (who has contributed so >> >much to providing a sound basis from which to work), I decided it was >time >> >to give it a whirl. I feel that we've made immense headway in a short >> >time, and, although we remain stumped at the stage of our >ggggrandfather, >> >we have learned so much about other members/lines of the Monk family, >many >> >(or perhaps all) of whom we expect to eventually converge and we will >> >finally be able to stand back and look at a clear and complete picture. > We >> >do intend to end our research, however, when we have reached Adam and >Eve. >> > >> > >> >As I said, Betty and I are presently stumped at our ggggrandfather, >Isaac >> >Monk, who first appears in a land patent in Autauga Co., AL in 1823. He >> >next appears in the 1830 Bibb Co., AL Census Index. Also listed there >is >> >Joshua Monk whose family later appears in Henry Co., AL. Because of >> >proximity, I tend to assume a close relationship between these two men. >> > Isaac then appears in the 1840 and 1850 Natchitoches Parish, LA census >> >listings and then disappears. Census records indicate that he was born >in >> >SC; family tradition favors Edgefield District for place of birth. I >have >> >a large file of Isaac's line should anyone wish to see it. I tried to >> >attach it to this message in a format probably readable to all but kept >> >bombing my e-mail program. Will need to experiment a bit. >> > >> >I also have a fairly complete file on one Merrill Monk <1840 GA>1840 >> >Chambers Co., AL>1860 Claiborne Parish, LA. Since I could find no one >else >> >working on this line, I adopted it. Should anyone be interested in this >> >file I'll gladly send it along. Very recent information I received from >> >Don Piserchio, via Betty Ryman, indicates that Merrill and his siblings >> >(Ann, William, James, Polly, and Silas) were the children of Robert and >> >Christiana (Flowers) Monk of GA. This source also indicates that Robert >> >was likely the son of Jonathan Monk, R.S. and Mary (Popwell) Monk, >> >variously of NC>SC>NC. Jonathan was likely the son of John Monk, >probably >> >b. England, who married (1) Mary ? and (2) Frances Hodges, although >there >> >were perhaps more wives. John was apparently in NC by 1723 and in >Johnston >> >Co., NC by 1746. He had three unknown daughters and three sons >(probably >> >Jonathan, Willis, and Silas). This Silas, Sr. then becomes an entirely >> >different story as grand ancestor of a large line of his own, numerous >of >> >the men of which also bore the name Silas. >> > >> >Aside from these two, I have a great deal of variously well-connected >data >> >and a pile of unconnected stuff on numerous members of the Monk name. >> > >> >Allied surnames I am working on: Foshee, Gordy, Jowers, and Cooley. >> > >> >Other surnames I am researching: Miller, Welch, Spurgeon, Chism, Burns, >> >Coody, and Peavy. >> > >> > >> >Regards, >> >Jim >> > >> > >> > >> > >>