Hello I have turned over every leaf searching for information on my great Grandmother';s Shirleys and have had no luck. She did not live a very long life,1881 to 1908 and her married life she lived in Tuscaloosa Co. If there are any Shirley researchers on this list for Fayette Co,I would like to hear from you,If anyone knows what Shirley's were in Fayette Co espicially around Berry I would really appreciate any information. Melissa is buried at Bethelem/Sterling Cemetery in Tuscaloosa Co. So if anyone has family buried there I would like to hear from them also. I am on digest mode so my private email is wrenest25@aol.com Thank you Jenny

Hi to all you long time Fayette County researchers. I hope one of you can answer a question for me. I was told that my ancestor--James Lacey-- was fined in the Fall 1843 court. I would like to find that record to see just what he was find for <grin>. I've tried looking in the FHC and the online archives for a record that would match that source with no luck. Can any one point me in the right direction to which court record that would be in? Thanks Annette in Louisiana

Hi, My family(dad's) is from Fayette, going back to 1800's and most are buried at Spring Hill Cemetery in Bluff. My question is; what newspaper in Fayette or area are obits published in and how do I contact them for copies? I appreciate your help. Thanks,Connie Rainwater

Hi Elreeta, The GenConnect Bio Board exists, but no one has posted info there as yet. Please be the first! http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/FayetteBios Best regards, Monya >Hiram M. Rowland, a resident and soldier from Fayette County, AL, died 2 >November, 1862, in the hills of TN--probably Knox County. On May 27, 2000, >a marker in his memory was dedicated in the Rowland family plot in Marietta, >OK. For more information about Hiram, please check this website ><http://members.tripod.com/~Ray1935/> > >On 30 April, 1862, Hiram M. joined his older brother, Henry, cousins, and >neighbors in enlisting in Walker County, AL, in Capt. Fitts's Co. I, Alabama >Infantry. Most of the men who enlisted in Fitt's Co. I were residents of >Walker County--the county on the east side of Fayette County. > >Wish that it would be possible to post biographies for our many ancestors >who lived in Fayette County, AL on the Fayette County, AL GenConnect >Biography Board. > >Elreeta Weathers Fayette Co. AL listowner MUSGROVE surname listowner THOMPSON surname listowner ASTON surname listowner Researching: ANDERSON, ASTON, BISHOP, DODSON, GRANT, HARRIS, HOWELL, LESLIE, McDONALD, MILLIGAN, MORTON, MUSGROVE, OWEN, SMOOT, SOUTH, THOMPSON, and WEBSTER.

Hiram M. Rowland, a resident and soldier from Fayette County, AL, died 2 November, 1862, in the hills of TN--probably Knox County. On May 27, 2000, a marker in his memory was dedicated in the Rowland family plot in Marietta, OK. For more information about Hiram, please check this website <http://members.tripod.com/~Ray1935/> On 30 April, 1862, Hiram M. joined his older brother, Henry, cousins, and neighbors in enlisting in Walker County, AL, in Capt. Fitts's Co. I, Alabama Infantry. Most of the men who enlisted in Fitt's Co. I were residents of Walker County--the county on the east side of Fayette County. Wish that it would be possible to post biographies for our many ancestors who lived in Fayette County, AL on the Fayette County, AL GenConnect Biography Board. Elreeta Weathers

Hi, Alabama Researchers: I've updated my AL genealogy pages containing all counties in AL, Alabama African Americans, Alabama Native Americans, Alabama Civil War, Southern Genealogy, and some General Genealogy. http://huntsville.about.com/msubgenealogymenu.htm Jean Brandau huntsville2@home.com

Dear Friends, I have spent the last two days in adding substantial information to the 36th Alabama site. There is a new page of Middleton soldiers from Alabama; identification of 36th Ala. soldiers that were captured and died as Prisoners of War at Rock Island, Illinois. There are many new listings in the Ala. Plus page, too. I hope that you will have a look -- let me know if there are non working links, spelling errors, etc. Your Obedient Servant, D. A. Bass-Frazier 36th Regiment of Alabama Volunteers & Monroe Co. & other Ala. Genealogy: Visit: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oldfedrd/

> -----Original Message----- > From: Perkins, Nina R > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:27 AM > To: 'alfayett-l@rootsweb.com' > Subject: Mooreman, Brazil > > I have reason to believe that my gr-grandmother's maiden name was Hannah > Brazil m. Joseph F. Mooreman. She had a daughter, my grandmother Paralee > m) > Henry Roedolphus Fowler. Hannah was born around 1860. Any help with her > or > Mr. Mooreman or their families would be greatly appreciated. > Sincerely, > Nina Fowler Perkins

Hi, I will be leaving home in a couple of hours for Alabama. On Wednesday I will be leaving Florence for Fayette Co AL. Will someone quickly give me directions to the Old Union Cemetery? Thank you so much. Karen Smith

For those of you interested in how the Home Guards conscripted & attempted to quell neutrals & those with Union loyalty, I refer you to the book, "Rebels in Blue", copyright 2000, by Peter F. Stevens. It would be the lucky Homeguardsman who didn't become embroiled in the insurgencies/atrocities 'round about Fayette County during the Civil War. -----Original Message----- From: MBusby3237@aol.com <MBusby3237@aol.com> To: ALFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com <ALFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [ALFAYETT] Civil War "Conscript Group" >Dear Leah, > I forgot to ask you after the last post if you have looked at the 1860 >census. This should give the occupation of your ancestor and maybe a clue to >his exemption. Also I found nothing in my readings about the amount of land a >person owned, only slaves, that exempted a person from military service. > When the war started units were formed from a small geographical area and >the people that populated the unit were people that were kin, or neighbors, >or kin of neighbors. They knew everyone within their company. The companies >were formed into regiments from the general region. There was a community >pride in being a member of the regiment. Influential people of the community; >lawyers, planters and merchants, to name a few; raised and became commanders >of the unit or units. At first they were elected officers but as the war >progressed they were appointed by the government. They were community outfits >from officers to privates, and to decline to serve in your community unit or >to desert while in the service was to draw down the wrath of the >neighborhood. I did some research for a friend who inquired about an officer >that served from 1861 to 1862, was wounded, resigned and went back to Bibb >Co., AL. After the war, men of his outfit lynched him on their return. Why? I >have not been able to find out. Could have been something that happened while >in service or after his resignation. He became rich after his discharge and >might have been at the expense of his comrades in arms that were on the war >front. If you cared not for the community, you did as you pleased, made as >many enemies as you cared to, but when it came time to go to church, gather >hay, build a barn, or any other project that required more than one pair of >hands, there was no one there. Generally that person moved from the >community. So, It was the community thing to join the service if you were >from the ages of 18 to 45. In north Alabama and east Tennessee there were >communities within a few miles of each other that fought against each other, >but it was a community thing. The small community was the government in those >days not as government today, which is a government of money. Ruled by money. > Sorry for the rambling, will leave for now, but if I can help further >please ask. > >Michael Lee Busby, Ohatchee, AL >MBusby3237@aol.com > > > > >

Dear Leah, I forgot to ask you after the last post if you have looked at the 1860 census. This should give the occupation of your ancestor and maybe a clue to his exemption. Also I found nothing in my readings about the amount of land a person owned, only slaves, that exempted a person from military service. When the war started units were formed from a small geographical area and the people that populated the unit were people that were kin, or neighbors, or kin of neighbors. They knew everyone within their company. The companies were formed into regiments from the general region. There was a community pride in being a member of the regiment. Influential people of the community; lawyers, planters and merchants, to name a few; raised and became commanders of the unit or units. At first they were elected officers but as the war progressed they were appointed by the government. They were community outfits from officers to privates, and to decline to serve in your community unit or to desert while in the service was to draw down the wrath of the neighborhood. I did some research for a friend who inquired about an officer that served from 1861 to 1862, was wounded, resigned and went back to Bibb Co., AL. After the war, men of his outfit lynched him on their return. Why? I have not been able to find out. Could have been something that happened while in service or after his resignation. He became rich after his discharge and might have been at the expense of his comrades in arms that were on the war front. If you cared not for the community, you did as you pleased, made as many enemies as you cared to, but when it came time to go to church, gather hay, build a barn, or any other project that required more than one pair of hands, there was no one there. Generally that person moved from the community. So, It was the community thing to join the service if you were from the ages of 18 to 45. In north Alabama and east Tennessee there were communities within a few miles of each other that fought against each other, but it was a community thing. The small community was the government in those days not as government today, which is a government of money. Ruled by money. Sorry for the rambling, will leave for now, but if I can help further please ask. Michael Lee Busby, Ohatchee, AL MBusby3237@aol.com

The Enrolment Act of April 16, 1862, established the conscription act for military service. On April 21, 1862, the Confederate Congress enacted an amendment to the Enrolment Act exempting certain class of persons. These were: Confederate or State officials, mail carriers, ferrymen on post-office routes, pilots, telegraph operators, miners, printers, ministers, college professors, teachers with twenty pupils or more, teachers of the deaf, dumb, and blind, hospital attendants, one druggist to each drug store, and superintendents and operatives in cotton and wool factories. The act was modified on Oct. 9, 1862 to include special details from the army to perform certain types of skilled labor. This was considered to be an exemption. The first details were for the manufacture of shoes but was extended to include: state militia officers, state and confederate clerks in the civil service, railway employees who were not common labor, steamboat employees, one editor and the necessary printers for each newspaper, those morally opposed to war, provided they furnished a substitute or paid $500 into the treasury, physicians, professors, and teachers who had been engaged in the profession for two years or more, government artisans, mechanics, and other employees, contractors and their employees furnishing arms and supplies to the state or the confederacy, factory owners, shoemakers, millers, tanners, blacksmiths, wagonmakers, and engineers. On every plantation where there were twenty or more negroes one white man was entitled to exemption as overseer. In mid and late 1863 amendments were added to exempt mail contractors and drivers of post coaches and it was ordered that those exempt under the "Twenty-negro" law should pay $500 into the confederate treasury and also state officials exempted by the governor might also be exempt by the Confederate authorities. The law permitting the hiring of substitutes by men liable to service was repealed on December 28, 1863, and a few days later even those who had furnished substitutes were made subject to military duty. Fleming states that, "The Enrolment Laws were necessary to make the people aware of the actual situation of the state of the war at that time. Upon the passage of the law all the loyal population liable to service made preparations to go to the front before being conscripted, which was deemed a disgrace, and at the close of 1862 saw practically all of them in the army. Those who entered after 1862 were boys and old men." He also is of the opinion that the best men were in the army and those that were left behind, mainly the malcontents and lingerers, formed the public opinion as they were the majority that had not left for military service. From them came the complaint about the favoritism toward the rich. The talk of a "rich man's war and a poor man's fight" originated with them, as the criticism of the "twenty-negro law". In the minds of the soldiers at the front there was no doubt that the slaveholder and the rich man were doing their full share. The wealthy young men volunteered, at first as privates or officers; the older men of wealth nearly all became officers, chosen by their men. Very few of the slaveholders and wealthy men tried to escape service; but when one did, he attracted more attention and called forth sterner denunciation than ten poor men in similar cases would have done. In fact few able-bodied men tried to secure exemption under the "Twenty-negro law". It would have been better for the Confederacy if more planters had stayed at home to direct the production of supplies, and the fact was recognized in 1864, when a "Fifteen-negro law" was passed by the congress and other exemptions of planters and overseers were encouraged. This was extracted from "Civil War and Reconstuction in Alabama", by Walter L. Fleming and from the ORs of the War of the Rebellion. I hope this helps. Michael Lee Busby, Ohatchee, AL MBusby3237@aol.com

Hello, One of the ways to get out of fighting was to pay someone to take your place. I don't know how much this cost or if there is a name for it, but I've read many Civil War books that mention this. Probably why not that many "rich" people fought in the war. Later, Steve Researching: BLACK, SHIREY, ADCOCK, GIFFORD, SOUTH DODSON, VEACH, VESPER, KAHLER, DAVIDSON ----- Original Message ----- From: <LeahLBM@aol.com> To: <ALFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [ALFAYETT] Civil War "Conscript Group" > Michael - > I appreciated your description and explanation of the Conscript Officers > and the militia... THANK you! > Since you seem knowledgeable - Do you know anything about being exempt > from Conscript?? In a letter written home to his wife, my grgr > grandfather speaks of hiring a substitute and says he would not consider > doing this if he had been eligible for conscript but since he was exempt, he > would consider hiring a substitute. (Which never happened, by the way. He was > killed outside of Atlanta in May of '64.) > What were the conditions by which a male in his early 30's would be > exempt? Other than physical limitations, of course. .... Would appreciate > hearing from you or anyone else about this as I have not been able to find > any information about exemption from conscription.... I did find one article > that mentioned if you owned enough land or enough slaves you could be exempt > - thus the reason the war was sometimes called a rich man's war and a poor > man's fight.... But no specific definition of "enough" was given..... > Can you or the list help???? - Leah > >

Michael - I appreciated your description and explanation of the Conscript Officers and the militia... THANK you! Since you seem knowledgeable - Do you know anything about being exempt from Conscript?? In a letter written home to his wife, my grgr grandfather speaks of hiring a substitute and says he would not consider doing this if he had been eligible for conscript but since he was exempt, he would consider hiring a substitute. (Which never happened, by the way. He was killed outside of Atlanta in May of '64.) What were the conditions by which a male in his early 30's would be exempt? Other than physical limitations, of course. .... Would appreciate hearing from you or anyone else about this as I have not been able to find any information about exemption from conscription.... I did find one article that mentioned if you owned enough land or enough slaves you could be exempt - thus the reason the war was sometimes called a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.... But no specific definition of "enough" was given..... Can you or the list help???? - Leah

An act dated April 16, 1862, enacted by the Confederate Congress, made it public law that all white men between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five were made liable to military service at the call of the President. The president was authorized to employ state officials to enroll the men made subject to duty. These enrollment men were called "Conscript Officers" and to aid them in their duties they attached to them companies of militia. These were usually in the form of calvary units. The militia was under the control of the state governor but were still considered to be in the Confederate States service. In late 1864 and 1865 the Confederate government was seeking more manpower for the regular armies and demanded of the governors of the states to release the manpower in their militias. Some states did and some didn't. Some of the conscript troops in North Alabama were released into the active service of Gen. Forrest for the defense of Alabama. Many of the militia units, Home Guards, Local Defense Corp, Mobile Regiment,e.g, were not highly thought of by the regular units of the C.S.A. ("Civil War and Reconstruction in Alabama", by Fleming). The calvary units were called "Buttermilk Calvary". I do not know what this implies but it could point to the age group that comprised these units. Since all able bodied men (18 to 45 after Sept 1862) were in the regular service the units were made up of old men and young boys. According to the book "The Annals of North Alabama" and Fleming, these units were at times the only law in this area to quell the depradations of deserters and "mossbacks". Michael L. Busby, Ohatchee, AL MBusby3237@aol.com

I have my Gr-Gr-Grandfather Pulliam in the 8th ( Ball's/Hatche's) AL Cavalry. In the notes it says " Because of the units assignment to the Conscript Bureau it took no part in engagements until 1865" I am not sure what taht means. Was this a recruiting regiment? The only other thing it mentions is that " duties were to attempt to enforce the Conscription acts in various Counties of the State." Any help would be appreciated. Bill TX

The Historical Foundation of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church is located at 1978 Union Avenue Memphis, TN 38104. The director of the archives is Susan Gore and she can be reached at 901-726-8602. E-mail her at skg@cumberland.org. Barry Anderson (Ayers, Buckner, Bobo, Foster, Kirkland, McClure, Moore)

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D973789E96B51E0D763E3B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------4D973789E96B51E0D763E3B2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <39751FD4.F001AE67@nconline.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:26:12 -0500 From: Alice Campbell <acampbell@nconline.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ALFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Cumberland Presbyterians References: <200007141300.e6ED01b02144@lists6.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a presbyterian by heritage, I thought I would point out that the Cumberland Presbyterian Church is a "flavor" of presbyterians, not like the "Shady Tree" Presbyterian Church, where "Shady Tree" is a place name. You might try finding the governing body of the Cumberland Presbyterians and they might have records. I know there is a Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Birmingham (Homewood) on Columbiana Road. I could find my B'ham phone book and get their number if that would help. Alice Campbell --------------4D973789E96B51E0D763E3B2--

Hello Julie, There is no present Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Fayette County, Al. Mr. Herb Newell's Cemetery book doesn't list it. This doesn't mean thery wasn't a church by that name in 1855.Sorry. Fred McCaleb ALFAYETT-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > ALFAYETT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 61 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [ALFAYETT] CUMBERLAND PRESBYTERIAN [Julie Perry <tcperry@gate.net>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ALFAYETT-D, send a message to > > ALFAYETT-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [ALFAYETT] CUMBERLAND PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:11:51 -0400 > From: Julie Perry <tcperry@gate.net> > To: ALFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com > > NANCY MUSSY SMITH died in Fayette County Alabama about 1855. I > understand that she was a member of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church. > Does this church have a cemetery? I would very much like to locate the > grave of Nancy Mussy Smith. Any help will be grately appreciated.

After nearly two years, I have finally proven that my gg grandmother was Sarah (Jane) Nichols South. My entire family was under the impression that my great grandfather was born in Fayette County, AL (name: William (Sidney) South) yet I could find no South family to claim him in Fayette County, AL. I now know that his mother was Jane Nichols South, but I am still lacking his father's name. Jane Nichols South was a widow either before Sidney was born or just after his birth. She was left with two children: Mollie & Wm. Sidney South in 1869. In December 1869, she remarried to John (William) Shields. This is on record in Fayette County as the marriage took place in her home....it says "in the home of the bride, Jane South." Therefore, my grandfather never knew his South father as he was raised by his step-father, William "Billy" Shields. The Shields family: William, Jane and Mollie & W.S. South are listed on the 1870 Fayette County Census. This family later moves to Itawamba County, MS. However, I need to find the name of Mr. South who married Jane Nichols and is the father of Mollie L. South born abt. 1863 and Wm. Sidney South born 2/9 1869. I have searched and searched and for Mr. South's name. By searching the South's buried in the cemeteries in Fayette County, the only name I have come up with that died in the right time frame is D.N. South (1844 - 1868) buried at Pleasant Hill Cemetery. Can anyone tell me the name for those initials and can anyone identify this D.N. South and his family for me? Can anyone place Jane Nichols South with her Nichols family? Any help would be so appreciated, Thank you, Karen