I would like a volunteer to do a funeral home lookup for me please. I'm looking for the record of Vassie L Cook, b-May 16, 1879, d-Unknown. She could also be listed as Vassie L Tolbert, her maiden name. She is a dauther of William C Tolbert and Sarah A Garner of Piedmont, Al. She died at the home of her sister Bertha Sears in Gadsden. Collier Butler funerall home prepared the body and transported to the city of Jacksonville, Al for burial. She "IS" burried at the Town Cemetery in Jacksonville, but her headstone doesn't have a date of death and the cemetery record doesn't have a date of burial either. None of the remaining family members don't remember the date she died. Could someone please see if they can find this information for me? I'm not local and can't get to the records from here. Thank You in advance... Michael Tolbert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Etowah/10847 Surname: Reid ------------------------- Hello Peggy, Richard Newton Reid was my great, great grandfather. Thomas Felton Reid was my great grandfather. Herbert Houston Reid was my grandfather? Could you e-mail me some information concerning this family. I've been searching for any information about where they lived and where they are buried, but can't seem to get anywhere. My e-mail is [email protected], and thanks for your help. Paul

I have quite a bit of information in the form of Census info about the three surnames DOUTHIT, DOUTHARD, DOTHARD. Mainly, my research has been to trace the etiology of these names trying to track down a migratory pattern for some. My search has centered around African-Americans, trying to find a connection between Alabama, Arkansas, and Virginia. So far the best research beginning has been in Alabama. Some DOUTHIT/DOUTHARD's migrated to Arkansas, some Georgia, later on to Ohio. These are by no means the only three states of migration, but it has been my focus for the early years. If any lister would like more information, please contact me. Cyrille

Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Etowah/10846 Surname: Lumpkin ------------------------- Looking for descendants of Lillie Lumpkin that married Thomas Temple in Etowah County Jan.2, 1900.

Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Etowah/10845 Surname: morris, ford ------------------------- I, too, have relatives from Hokes Bluff, Etowah County, Alabama. My g-grandmother was Sula Ford, who married Nathan Davis Morris. Sula was from Ford's Valley. She had several siblings, but the only one I can think of right now is George Ford. I am looking for information on the Ford and Morris families. Sula and Nathan Davis Morris are both buried at Young's Chapel Methodist Church in Hokes Bluff.

Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Etowah/10844 Surname: ------------------------- Richard Newton Reid is my great grandfather. I have lots of information including pictures . Matilda Carolyn Reid was my grandmother.Etowah county.

The AlaBenton Genealogical Society would like to announce an upcoming Genealogical Seminar on 4 August 2001 to be held in the Ayers Room of the Anniston Calhoun County Library. The Guest Speaker will be Bob Davis of Wallace State. Complete details will be posted within the next two weeks or visit our web site for the most current details. http://www.crosswinds.net/~tracks/seminar.htm

I have heard that there is going to be a Parrish Reunion on August 11, 2001, in Sardis City. Does anyone know this for a fact and if so, can you give me information on location and time. Thanks. Charles Stephenson San Antonio, Texas

Looking for any connection with Colley, Blakley, and Phillips. [email protected]

Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Al/Etowah/10843 Surname: Payne, Huff, Hill, Cranford ------------------------- I am searching for the parents of William Franklin Payne, J. T. Payne, and Columbia(might be middle name)Payne. William Franklin was born in Gwinnett County, Georgia on 9/17/1861 and died 7/22/1942 in Gilmer, Upshur County, Texas. He married Georgia Ann Huff in Gadsden, Etowah County, Alabama on 4/6/1884. Georgia Ann Huff was born 5/9/1860 in Rome, Floyd Co., Georgia and died 8/3/1922 in Gilmer, Upshur County, Texas. William and Georgia had the following children all born in Alabama except the last one: Charles Edward, Daniel Forney, Jesse Thomas, Willie Raymond, Gennie Maud, Annie Velma, Frank Brady, and Juanita Gertrude. J. T. Payne was born 11/11/1875 in Gadsden, Etowah County, Alabama. He married Mattie Lee Hill born 8/28/1875 and died 7/20/1951. They had the following children all born in Gadsden: Bessie Lue, Jessie Leon, Granvelle Lee, Emma Jane, Martha Caroline, and Joseph Clifton. Columbia Payne was born 9/28/1872 in Gadsden and died 12/03/1946 in Gilmer, Upshur County, Texas. She married John W. Cranford, born 2/14/1869 and died 4/20/1912. There are probably more children that are unknown at this time. Anyone who can connect with this family please respond. I have hit a dead end.

Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Etowah/10842 Surname: Furr ------------------------- Looking for information on Jacob and Mary Furr of Attalla, Alabama in Etowah County. They lived there in the late 1800's. Jacob worked in the Iron Ore mines in Gadsden. Any information on this family would be appreciated.

Betty - First, I'll suggest that you revisit that BLM site, and roam about a bit. I think you will find all the terms defined there. I'm sure you will, unless they have changed their site since I lost looked at it. I'll just make a few comments here. >> I did go to the BLM site and found several records for Jesse G., Presly and >> Samuel in what appears the correct vicinity and have reproduced one below. You do want to download the "patents" of interest from that site. Often, the Patent gives some useful data that is not inculded in the summaries they present. >>What is the April 23, 1820 treaty? That is something I suspect will be defined on the BLM site. The "treaty" or "Act" date has little or no meaning to you, it is simply the legal basis for granting the "land entries." Do note that these are "land entries" --- they are not "land grants" as some often assume. A person making a land entry had to pay a fee for the land, it was not simply given to them. >>Is Aliquot an Indian Tribe? No. Look up the word aliquot in your dictionary. It is just a technical term for a part of something --- in this case, a piece of land. >> What does the information I extracted from the listing from the BLM site mean? All "land entry" states, of which Alabama was one, were originally "federal" land. These states were all surveyed and laid out in a grid system. There was a baseline, usually several, and relative to those baselines, the grid was described in Ranges and Townships, then brokend own further in to Sections, and parts of Sections. A "Township" (one basic division determined by a particular Township and Range pair) was a square, six mile on a side. Each Township was divided in into 36 Sections, each one mile on a side (640 acres). From the AL State HWY department, you can pruchase modern maps that have on them the Township, Range, Section grids. Using those maps, and the land description form the Patents, you can plot exactly where the land is located that your ancestor entered. You can do exactly the same with the land descriptions from deeds. Once you have determined in which County that land "now" resides, you can then trace the lineage of that land. Often, you will find the land once resided in several other counties. But, you need to know that in order to know "where" records "should" have been made and recorded. Knowing precisely where a person's land was has a number of side benefits. For instance, if the person lived on that land, often they did not, it is an aid to locating where they may be buried, churches they attended, etc. >>Land Office: MARDISVILLE That is important to know. If you attempt to consult the land office records which are located at the AL Archives, it's a must. >>Total Acres: 39.95 This simply says that the entry was for 39.95 acres. This is a typical entry, most were for this size plot, though many folks made several entries. >> Issue Date: August 17, 1838 That just gives the date the Patent was issued. The original application made by the person making the entry may have been much earlier. >> No Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries Notice it is a "Cash" entry. When settlers first began making entries, it was under a "Credit" system. That was soon stopped, and I do not think any of the Patents on the BLM site or for Credit entries. They do have records of such entries, and they are worth obtaining if you ancestor made such an entry. >> Legal Land Description: >> # Aliquot Parts Block # Base Line Fractional Section Township Range Section # >> 1 SESW HUNTSVILLE No 18S 10E 18 The way to "read" that is as follows: Southeast 1/4, of southwest 1/4, of Section 18, Township 18 South, Range 10 East. I do not have a map for that area, so I cannot tell you where it is. The Summary data on the BLM site should tell you what county that land is currently in. If one is using the land record to determine when a person arrived in an area, or at least narrow the range of time in which they arrived, it is important to note who made the entry, and to whom the Patent was issued. Often, a person purcahsed the right to a Patent from someone who made the entry years before. Likewise, it often important to determine how and when a person disposed of land for which they obtained a Patient. To do that, you must go to the appropriate County deed books. That is really easy to do, usually, you need only look at the Grantor Deed Index to find the deed of interest. Good Luck, Harry Nelms

If I am reading my maps right. Township 18S and Range 10E is in Cleburne County. Section 18 is located near Corinth and the Tallapoosa River. John

Harry - I was called out of town and returned to all these messages in response to my query on Gadsden and Hokes Bluff. I want to thank everyone who responded to me off list. I am new to the list and very much appreciate all the helpful suggestions. What a nice welcome to the list. I did go to the BLM site and found several records for Jesse G., Presly and Samuel in what appears the correct vicinity and have reproduced one below. What is the April 23, 1820 treaty? In the land descrition Is Aliquot an Indian Tribe? What does the information I extracted from the listing from the BLM site mean? Especially Township 18. Is there a listing of townships by number? Baseline: Huntsille Fractional: 18S Section: 10 E Township 18 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ COBB, PRESLEY G View Image Land Office: MARDISVILLE Sequence #: Document Number: 4316 Total Acres: 39.95 Misc. Doc. Nr.: Signature: Yes Canceled Document: No Issue Date: August 17, 1838 Mineral Rights Reserved: No Metes and Bounds: No Survey Date: Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566 Multiple Warantee Names: No Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820 Multiple Patentee Names: No Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries Legal Land Description: # Aliquot Parts Block # Base Line Fractional Section Township Range Section # 1 SESW HUNTSVILLE No 18S 10E 18 [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 05/11/2001 5:54:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << I'm trying to figure out where those communities are located today and > which courthouse I should write for records. >> > > Betsy --- If your ancestors was reported in the 1840 and 1850 census if > Benton/Calhoun Co., AL, then it is highly probably that any records of him > were recorded in that county, at least until he moved, or the county lines > were adjusted. > > Unfortunately, many of the pre Civil War records of Benton/Calhoun Co. no > longer exist, and even some that survived are no longer in the courthouse. > > The best bet for you in determining precisely where he lived is to use the > land records and military records. You can do some of this online using the > Bureau of Land Management web site. > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > > In addition to BLM, you may also need (you should) consult the Land Office > records which are located at the Ala. Archives. To do this, you will have to > either go there, or hire someone to do it for you. > > There are several published books of Land Office records, but they are just a > guide, and are not complete. They are worth looking at as a starter. > > If your guy obtained land under the Fed. Acts of 1850 or 1855, bounty land > for military service, you need to obtain his application for that land from > the National Archives. There is a special form for doing that which you can > obtain from them, and at many libraries. > > You should also obtain any entries from the Benton/Calhoun Co. grantor and > grantee deed indexes, and, for any such entries, obtain the deeds if they are > extant. You should do the same for Etowah Co. > > It's a lot of work, and most of it cannot be done online. > > Good Luck, > > Harry Nelms

In a message dated 05/11/2001 5:54:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I'm trying to figure out where those communities are located today and which courthouse I should write for records. >> Betsy --- If your ancestors was reported in the 1840 and 1850 census if Benton/Calhoun Co., AL, then it is highly probably that any records of him were recorded in that county, at least until he moved, or the county lines were adjusted. Unfortunately, many of the pre Civil War records of Benton/Calhoun Co. no longer exist, and even some that survived are no longer in the courthouse. The best bet for you in determining precisely where he lived is to use the land records and military records. You can do some of this online using the Bureau of Land Management web site. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ In addition to BLM, you may also need (you should) consult the Land Office records which are located at the Ala. Archives. To do this, you will have to either go there, or hire someone to do it for you. There are several published books of Land Office records, but they are just a guide, and are not complete. They are worth looking at as a starter. If your guy obtained land under the Fed. Acts of 1850 or 1855, bounty land for military service, you need to obtain his application for that land from the National Archives. There is a special form for doing that which you can obtain from them, and at many libraries. You should also obtain any entries from the Benton/Calhoun Co. grantor and grantee deed indexes, and, for any such entries, obtain the deeds if they are extant. You should do the same for Etowah Co. It's a lot of work, and most of it cannot be done online. Good Luck, Harry Nelms

Posted on: Etowah Co. Al Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Etowah/10840 Surname: Ferguson ------------------------- I am looking for any information on a GEORGE or CHARLES FERGUSON. He is said to have been born in the 1870's in Etowah county near Keener. Any help would be appreciated.

That's the problem I'm having. My GG Grandfather Robert COBB (b. 1769 Chatham Co, NC) and two of his sons, Jesse Garner COBB (b. NC or SC 1803 d. 1869 Arcadia, LA) and my G Grandfather Samuel Parnell COBB (b. 1811 Pendleton Dist. SC d.1890 Brazos Co, TX) are on the 1840 and 1850 census in Benton (later Calhoun) County. Data I've been given indicates Robert COBB, died in 1857 in Gadsden and is buried in Hokes Bluff. I know that Gadsden and Hokes Bluff are in what is now Etowah County, that Etowah was formed from Baine, and Baine was formed in 1866 --11 years after Robert Cobb died. I'm trying to figure out where those communities are located today and which courthouse I should write for records. Thanks, Betsy Tyson Austin btw, the youngest son or Robert, Presley G. COBB (b.1813 Pendleton Dist. SC) was in Cherokee County in 1850 and 1860 and Calhoun County in 1870. I also know Samual P. COBB came to Texas in the early 1870s from Alabama but have not yet found a census record for him. Sam Russell wrote: > Prior to the creation of Etowah County what county > was Hokes Bluff in? Looking at an old map it seems > to be close to either Cherokee or Calhoun. And was > Gadsden mostly in Cherokee with East Gadsden in > Calhoun? > > ==== ALETOWAH Mailing List ==== > Contact Sam Russell the listowner at > [email protected] > rather than the list if you're having problems.

Prior to the creation of Etowah County what county was Hokes Bluff in? Looking at an old map it seems to be close to either Cherokee or Calhoun. And was Gadsden mostly in Cherokee with East Gadsden in Calhoun?