Hi I am looking for the parents or siblings of David A. Aldridge born Dec. 4, 1819 in Russell, St. Lawrence Co., N.Y.. He married Martha Marie Grandy in Stockholm, N.Y.. Their children were Eliza R., David Eugene, Luther Adolphus, Flora Marie, and Jeanette A.. The family settled in Kalkaska County near Fife Lake (Grand Traverse County) Michigan around 1870. Thanks, Mary Lou Raftery

I agree that Genealogy would not be an appropriate subject in elementary school, but it might be okay as a high school elective subject. At the elementary level, I think we should be instilling a general appreciation for history in our children and, unfortunately, I don't think this is being done anymore. My sons didn't have anywhere near the same exposure that I did as a child. Sad. Sue Roe

Hi Alice and All: I did take offense at the way Ann Lander answered. More so because of the shabby way she treated her own ancestry! To think that her grandparents and her parents left Russia to make a better life for themselves and their children to come, yes to not have any cares about where they came from, the fact that they probably left family and friends back there that they would never see nor hear from is really sad. As for genealogy in the schools, it can work if the parents are brought into the situration, and those parents who don't wish their children to do their own, then the children can research a famous person, the town, a particular house. Yes there is the down side of the coin, but genealogy can be taught in such a way that thnigs can be very smooth and no stigma is placed upon the child or children. More on the idea of general genealogy rather than the detailed in-depth search that we genealogists do. Alison _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Alice and All the other Aldrich Researchers, Alice, I most heartily agree with you!! Children have enough to contend with at school nowadays. However, I talk to our grandchildren about family history and answer their questions about how we find info on our ancestors. So please don't flame Alice, she has a very good point. Nice to see you posting again Alice, I sure have missed you. Virginia

Hi All, Alison that was a good subject message.. We had a discussion about this very subject on another list.. with many pros and cons! I know an area school had a similiar problems when they tried to introduce Genealogy into their 6th grade history course,, They had to stop the genealogy part of the course.. Sad but true! Most parents were not pleased with it's introduction. With so many single parent children, divorces, and yes interracial adoptions, 1 parent children, and same sex parent children. and so much peer pressure in the schools.. Chldren have enough to contend in schools today without, having to defend their roots also! Do you think it is the time to introduce genealogy,, I . myself , being a historian/ genealogist, say NO! Because of the peer pressure.. it is brutal , I have teenage and younger grand children. They are well aware of their Mayflower, Witches, brutality of Quakers, and yes even a very, very distant cousin who was on the Titanic..Just this week the 7th grader took a booklet I have , that the survivor wrote, to her history class, to show, read and learn about.. I have loaned them material for their class-work in the past.. Such as New England Legends, Ladies in the Civil War.. and etc.. My grands were a big hit at school when they returned last year from NC with actual bullets, writings and etc of the first Civil War reneactment of a many gr. uncle's battle, who was killed in that battle.. Plus their visit New Bern Nat. Cem... These type of things bring discussions to a class without the genealogy of the family. How about the children who have no idea what a family history or line is and get told to not ask "foolish Questions" at home and etc.. They may never know their families history nor be interested in it, in their lifetime.. I still have some people in my own family who feel things should be left alone. However they are adults.. and should understand it took all kinds to make them..but with children ; It's different!! Children shouldn't have to face this unless it is introduced at home. . and parents have the right to keep their privacy too! I think Ann Landers is right! I maybe flamed for this, but genealogy does not belong in elementry schools. There is time enough in college to catch up with their roots, if it hasn't already been introduced to them by the family before then. However : I believe every town & , city should teach the history of that area..to the younger chlldren and continuing it right through high school on various levels.. visiting the old homes, area museums, cemeteries, knowing old avenues and highways, along with the new, . This would be laying a foundation for any future genealogist or historians. Wish I had already known the history of my home town when I started my genealogy research. Would of saved me, a lot of research.. Please don't be too brutal!! :) My 2 cents again, Alice

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: George Durgin <durgin@nh.ultranet.com> To: Lorna R Dunklee <ldunklee@juno.com> Cc: HCPD-L@rootsweb.com, vermont@listserv.northwest.com Subject: Re: FWD: Ann Landers Column, April 5, critical of genealogical research Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:07:47 -0300 Message-ID: <35282AE3.D617DC7D@nh.ultranet.com> References: <19980405.181024.5255.0.ldunklee@juno.com> In regard to below. You can get to her here. I will for sure. George annlanders@creators.com http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3369/annlanders.html Lorna R Dunklee wrote: > Thought our subscribers might be interested in this. > --Lorna > > --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- > From: Donna Pierce <dpierce@wyoming.com> > To: DARLING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DARLING-L] Ann Landers Column, April 5, critical of > genealogical research > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:20:30 -0600 > Message-ID: <199804052120.PAA32239@horn.wyoming.com> > > >Return-Path: <PADUTCH-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com> > >Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:03:27 -0700 (PDT) > >From: JYoung6180 <JYoung6180@aol.com> > >Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:06:59 EDT > >To: PADUTCH-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com, PADUTCHgenONLY-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Ann Landers Column, April 5, critical of genealogical research > >Resent-Message-ID: <"RqKzk.A.k-C.KO-J1"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> > >Resent-From: PADUTCH-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <PADUTCH-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/482 > >X-Loop: PADUTCH-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: PADUTCH-LIFE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Did anyone besides me read Ann Landers' column in today's paper? She > received > >a letter from "Louisville Mom" who wrote to complain about the fact that > her > >children who were adopted from Korea were being asked in school to do a > >project on family history. The Mom was expressing the opinion that > schools > >should keep out of such family information and should not be encouraging > >children to look into their family backgrounds. She went on to say that > some > >children (those in foster care or from troubling family situations) may > be > >embarassed by such a project. Ann Landers' response was as follows: > "I'm > >glad you wrote. Your letter gives me an opportunity to speak out about > family > >trees, lineage and other topics that should have no place in our > schools. It > >is nobody's business whether a child's family came over on a slave ship > or the > >Mayflower. Teachers should not be asking about family background. If I > had > >to draw a picture of my family tree it would look like a shrub. My > parents > >and grandparents immigrated from Russia, and beyond that, I don't have a > clue > >as to my lineage, and I have never given it a moment's thought." > > > >Well guys--I think we should all clobber Ann with letters!!!!!! She > obviously > >is looking at a person's interest in their lineage as something that > would > >connote snobbery. She is implying that society would think there is > something > >inferior about the child whose parents arrived on the slave ship > compared to > >those with Mayflower ancestors. I think those who do not have a natural > >curiosity about their family history (no matter what that history is) > have the > >misconception that those of us with an interest in genealogy do our > research > >out of some sort of desire to feel superior to others. (MY ancestors > arrived > >in 1727, just when did YOUR ancestors arrive--oh not until 1855--then I > MUST > >be superior to YOU!) I think we need to set Ann Landers straight as to > WHY > >we are interested in the pursuit of our family history--as well as the > history > >of the times our ancestors lived in in general. > > > >I can't remember when I have gotten this worked up about something I > read in > >an advice column in the newspaper but Ann Landers has clout--and is in a > >position to impact on the thinking of others. Therefore, it is our > >responsibility to correct this misstatement of fact. > > > >In the first place, schools should not, and DO not, mandate a family > history > >research project--at least they don't in New Jersey where I live. I > would > >assume a similar situation exists elsewhere. Students in New Jersey > schools > >are given a list of projects to chose from with family history research > being > >one of the choices (and even within this topic the children can chose to > study > >a famous person or anyone they choose--it does not have to be their own > >ancestry). Family history reseearch is a popular choice from the list > of > >topics as curiosity about one's history is a natural thing for most > people--no > >matter what that history is concerned with, and regardless of whether > that > >history takes us to Colonial America, Europe, Asia, or Africa. The > history is > >still there--no matter WHERE your people came from! We all studied > history in > >school with each of us prefering an emphasis on the history that we were > most > >interested in based on our family and ethnic backgrounds--that is also > natural > >and even desirable. Are we so shallow and rooted only in the present > day that > >we do not even give a thought as to the accomplishments and sacrifices > of our > >ancestors? How can any student be expected to have an interest in, and > >understanding of, history if they are not encouraged to associate those > events > >of long ago with thoughts of what it must have been like to have lived > through > >them--and with the knowledge of the fact that their own forbears did > just > >that. Whether it be the remarkable tribute to the strength of human > character > >that kept the slave families alive through the generations of our > American > >past, or the survival of the Jewish people in more recent times; or the > >sacrifices made by my own German ancestors who set sail into the unknown > in > >the mid 1700s to come to a new home called Pennsylvania by means of a > perilous > >sea voyage. What was the driving force behind all of the actions of > these > >peoples? In my opinion it was to seek a better life for themselves and > a hope > >for the future of an even better life for their descendants. To take > the time > >to find out who these ancestors were, to learn their names, dates, and > what > >their lives were all about, is an extremely important part of teaching > our > >next generation of Americans, wherever they came from, and no matter > what > >their background, to have respect for themselves and those who came > before > >them. What better lesson could there ever be for today's, or any day's, > >school children. > > > >OK--now I will get off my soapbox for today. Anyone who would like to > copy > >this to any other list has my complete unrestricted permission to do so! > > > >Joan Myers Young > > > > > > ==== DARLING Mailing List ==== > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > **************************** > FREE WEB SPACE FOR GENEALOGY AND HISTORY WEB PAGES > GO TO http://www.genweb.net > *********************** > To subscribe or unsubscribe send the message to: > majordomo@listserv.northwest.com > ******************* > To see a list of the lists that are available go to > http://listserv.northwest.com/~haight/listpage.htm > **************** > To ftp to the archive site with the lists of digests > http://listserv.northwest.com/~haight/archivelink.htm **************************** FREE WEB SPACE FOR GENEALOGY AND HISTORY WEB PAGES GO TO http://www.genweb.net *********************** To subscribe or unsubscribe send the message to: majordomo@listserv.northwest.com ******************* To see a list of the lists that are available go to http://listserv.northwest.com/~haight/listpage.htm **************** To ftp to the archive site with the lists of digests http://listserv.northwest.com/~haight/archivelink.htm --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Hi All I am looking for the descendents of John ALDRICH who was born on 11 March 1872 in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, son of John Aldrich and Mary Jane Johnston. John moved with his wife from Springfield, Missouri to Kansas City Missouri around 1900. There are a number of Aldrichs listed in Kansas City Missouri: would any of them be 2nd cousins of ours.?? Ral Sonja and Ralf Aldrich Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. Researching: *ALDRICH* LUMBY*STACPOOLE*RAWSON* *EBLE* KLEY* SCHWEIZER* OHR* ÖESS* DAHLMAN*

Edward ALDRICH, b 1806 Vermont, d 10 Dec 1890, Henrietta Twp., Jackson Co., MI, m Alfreda PEAK, d/o of Alfred and Rhoda PEAK. They had the folllowing children: Joseph Edward , Alfred Fuller, Annis Ann, Margaret, and Phylander. Edwards parents were Joseph and Annis (BALSLEY) ALDRICH. Edward had a brother Joseph, and may have had brothers Franklin and Zechariah. Annis (BALSLEY) ALDRICH's parents were John and Chariety BALSLEY. Joseph and Annis ALDRICH were in Vermont when Edward was b in 1806. Seek the ancestors of Joseph ALDRICH, Annis BALSLEY, and Alfred PEAK. Dick Allen rjallen13@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi there... I thought it was about time I sent in my information. I hope that I connect up with something... Here's what I've discovered so far, and I'm not done yet... I just don't have the time to go do any work! (Maybe next week, as I'm on spring break...) As for the #1 couple, I have them on the 1850 census in WinnebagoCo, IL, and in 1870 in RockCo, WI. They *should* still be in IL in 1860, but I haven't found it yet. They might still be in WI in 1880, but I haven't seen that yet either. Most of the rest of this I found from IA census reports and GreeneCo & CarrollCo, IA vital records (typed-up books, and actual record microfilms) Descendants of: George N. ALDRICH 1 George N. ALDRICH b. 03 SEP 1823 ?, ?Co, VT d. 23 AUG 1898 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA m. Ann Betsy MORRIS b. 17 JAN 1828 ?, ?Co, ME d. 09 AUG 1906 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA 2 Julia E. ALDRICH b. ?? SEP 1850 ?, ?Co, IL d. Bef 1894 m. Almon Camden STEELE b. 18 AUG 1844 Shirland, WinnebagoCo, IL d. Dead 3 Gertrude Martha STEELE b. ?? ??? 1871 Shuland, ?Co, IL d. Dead m. 04 SEP 1895 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA Christen Gade NELSON b. ?? ??? 1868 Odby, DEN d. Dead 3 Genie G. STEELE b. 05 OCT 1872 d. 19 SEP 1873 Kendrick, GreeneCo, IA 3 Alice STEELE b. ?? JUL 1874 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Cora STEELE b. ?? FEB 1876 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Vinie STEELE b. ?? FEB 1878 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Abner C. STEELE b. ?? JUN 1880 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead m. 19 MAR 1910 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA Grace B. GALLOWAY b. ?? ??? 1887 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA d. Dead 3 Henry STEELE b. ?? JUL 1883 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Meade STEELE b. ?? JUL 1884 d. Dead 2 Andrew ALDRICH b. ?? ??? 1853 IL/VT d. Dead 2 Martha A. ALDRICH b. ?? JUL 1854 Rockton, WinnebagoCo, IL d. Dead m. Daniel Jefferson JENKS b. ?? JAN 1850 ?, ?Co, WI d. Dead 3 Clarence A. JENKS b. 20 JUN 1876 ?, ?Co, IA d. ?? JUL 1967 Council Bluffs, PottawattamieCo, IA m. Mary E. COLEMAN b. ?? ??? 1881 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 4 Lawrence JENKS b. 13 MAY 1906 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA d. 12 FEB 1988 Minneappolis, HennepinCo, MN 4 Mary Elizabeth JENKS b. 07 JAN 1912 Gilbert, StoryCo, IA d. 29 JAN 1986 Riverside, RiversideCo, CA m. ?? ??? 1938 Robert Morris WISEMAN b. 14 NOV 1909 Des Moines, PolkCo, IA d. 25 AUG 1977 San Diego, San DiegoCo, CA 5 Richard Craig WISEMAN b. 06 JUL 1940 San Francisco, San FranciscoCo, CA m. 29 SEP 1970 Etiwanda, San BernadinoCo, CA Teresa Marie EBERHARDT b. 28 JUL 1948 St. Louis, St. LouisCo, MO **ME 6 Wendy Susan WISEMAN b. 22 MAR 1971 Los Angeles, Los AngelesCo, CA 6 Stephanie Ann WISEMAN b. 10 NOV 1974 Los Angeles, Los AngelesCo, CA m. 20 OCT 1985 Santa Monica, Los AngelesCo, CA Charlotte HAINES b. 15 MAR 1942 ?, ?Co, NY 6 Kevin Robert WISEMAN b. 19 FEB 1986 Los Angeles, Los AngelesCo, CA 5 James A. WISEMAN b. 11 MAR 1945 Bakersfield, KernCo, CA d. 12 JUL 1989 Bell Gardens, Los AngelesCo, CA 3 Myrtle O. JENKS b. 26 AUG 1878 ?, GreeneCo, IA d. 26 AUG 1879 Scranton, GreeneCo. IA 3 Frances A. (Fannie) JENKS b. ?? ??? 1880 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead m. 11 AUG 1904 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA Mark P. CLEGHORN b. ?? ??? 1877 d. Dead 3 Ada M. JENKS b. 11 JUL 1881 ?, GreeneCo, IA d. Dead m. 28 JUN 1910 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA Max B. HERRMAN d. Dead 3 Georgiana JENKS b. ?? SEP 1882 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Harry Everett JENKS b. 24 APR 1884 ?, GreeneCo, IA d. Dead m. 20 JUN 1906 Glidden, CarrollCo, IA Maude B. AKIN b. ?? ??? 1884 ?, CarrollCo, IA d. Dead 4 Louie JENKS b. 19 MAR 1908 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA d. 19 MAR 1908 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA 4 Alice L. JENKS b. ?? MAY 1915 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Jessie JENKS b. ?? FEB 1886 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Frank R. JENKS b. ?? AUG 1887 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Cora JENKS b. ?? JUN 1894 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 2 Jennie P. ALDRICH b. ?? DEC 1856 d. Dead m. ?? ??? 1878 ?, ?Co, IA Virgil M. JOHNSON b. ?? DEC 1857 ?, ?Co, OH d. Dead 3 Alice (Allie) JOHNSON b. ?? JUL 1883 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead m. 17 NOV 1904 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA Charles H. STOCKWELL d. Dead 3 Nellie JOHNSON b. ?? JUL 1886 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Fern JOHNSON b. ?? AUG 1888 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Genevive JOHNSON b. ?? DEC 1889 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Gladys JOHNSON b. ?? JUL 1893 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead m. Paul B. BORDER d. Dead 3 Daughter JOHNSON b. ?? JUN 1895 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 3 Virgil JOHNSON b. 06 NOV 1899 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA d. Dead 3 Eugene JOHNSON b. ?? SEP 1901/02 Coon Rapids, Union, CarrollCo, IA d. Dead 2 Alice ALDRICH b. ?? ??? 1859 d. Dead 2 Georgianna ALDRICH b. 23 MAY 1861 Rockford, WinnebagoCo, IL d. Dead m. 15 JUN 1880 Brodhead, Green, WI William Bevans KELSEY d. Dead 3 Mary Beatrice KELSEY b. ?? AUG 1883 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead 2 Albert ALDRICH b. ?? ??? 1863 d. Dead 2 Myrtle ALDRICH b. ?? FEB 1866 ?, ?Co, WI d. Dead m. ?? ??? 1891 ?, ?Co, IA James E. SHAFER b. ?? NOV 1855 ?, ?Co, OH d. Dead 3 Julia SHAFER b. ?? JAN 1895 ?, ?Co, IA d. Dead Thanks for looking! Wendy Wiseman splitlevelhead@mindless.com http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/carlow/4/

Here is it that didn't make to the lists yesterday. One for You and One For Me There was a huge nut tree by the cemetery fence. One day two boys filled up a bucketful of nuts and sat down by the tree, out of sight, and began dividing the nuts. "One for you, one for me. One for you, one for me," said one boy. The bucket was so full, several rolled out towards the fence. Cycling down the road by the cemetery was a third boy. As he passed, he thought he heard voices from inside the cemetery. He slowed down to investigate. Sure enough, he heard, "One for you, one for me. One for you." He knew what it was. "Oh my god!" he shuddered, "It's Satan and St. Peter dividing the souls at the cemetery!" He cycled down the road and found an old man with a cane, hobbling along. "Come quick!" he said, "You won't believe what I heard. Satan and St. Peter are down at the cemetery dividing the souls." The man said, "Shoo, you brat! Can't you see I'm finding it hard to walk as it is!" After several pleas, the man hobbled to the cemetery and heard, "One for you, one for me. One for you, one..." The old man whispered, "Boy, you's been tellin' the truth! Let's see if we can see the Devil himself." Shivering with fear, they edged toward the fence, still unable to see anything, but they heard, "One for you, one for me. One for you, one for me. And one last one for you. That's all. Let's go get those nuts by the fence, and we'll be done." They say the old guy made it to town 10 minutes before the boy! Author unknown

I am looking for any information I can find on any of the following people: Isham M. ALDRIDGE b. March, 1858 in GA, married Sophrona (maiden name unknown), b. September 1866 in GA. They had the following children all born in GA: Andrew J. (m) b. June, 1885; Isham M. Jr. (m) b. August, 1886 (my great-grandfather); Nora B. (f) b. January, 1888: Alia E. (f) b. September, 1890; Mary M. (f) b. September, 1892; Flora (f) b. July, 1894; Sophronia (f) b. April, 1897 and Lou E. (f) b. March 1898 (This info came from the 1900 GA census, Vol 1, E.D. 103, Sheet 20, line 83) Isham M., Jr. b. August, 1886 d. October 7, 1923 (buried at Pinegrove Cemetary, GA) married Flossie Floyd b. 1888, died August, 1951. They had the following children: Hannah (f) b. ?, died January 30, 1953; Isham M., Jr. (Manny) (m) b. July 20, 1903, d. February 1982 (buried in Blackshear, GA); Joseph (Joe) (m) b. ?, d. ? ; Marvin (m) b.?,; Otis (m) b. ?, d. ?; Ada Lou (f) b. October 14, 1906 (Brentwood, Wayne County, GA) d. September 10, 1982 (buried in Surrency, GA); Mitchell (m) b. 1908, d. ?; Harvey (m) b. February 7, 1914, d. April, 1977 in Blackshear, GA. I have a few names that I haven't been able to fit in as of yet--Piety Barnes Herring, Ora Mae Herring Grause, and Ted Herring. Ada Lou ALDRIDGE married my grandfather Elkins Thomas GARRETT. Any connections you can make with my family would be appreciated. Diana Garrett Blackwelder

Has anyone seen this book? It is offered in the New England Historic Genealogical Society's catalog and I wondered if it was a good source or not , I was considering purchasing the book. Description as follows: Aldrich - A Branch of the Aldrich Family in America: In the Footsteps of A Line of Descent from George Aldrich, From Massachusetts to Rhode Island, New Hampshire, vermont, New York, the Midwest and Washington State By Harl Preslar Aldrich Penobscot Press 1996 Index . 139pp Hardcover A genealogical history of the Aldrich family which follows the line of descent from immigrant ancestor George Aldrich who arrived in Dorchester, Massachusetts from Derbyshire, England in 1631. Ten generations of the family are included, with names of those in the eleventh through thirteenth generations. Includes biographical sketches, maps, and photographs. $30.00 Item #B3-08740 -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, Fish, Frisby, Gaffield, Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright

Okay, documentation is a problem on this one; the source is a biographical dictionary which is in the reference section on the southwest side of the Genealogy Room at the Library of Congress. Page number for information is 13. Paragraphs one and two under the listing relate to George, and so the second entry begins (no alternative Aldrich spelling). Only George and Henry are listed. ALDRIDGE, OLDRIDGE, "Henry, Dedham, propr. Nov. 11, 1641, adm. chh. 8 (7) 1643; frm. May, 1645. Wife, Mary; ch. Mary b. 10 (1) 1643, Thomas bapt. 17 (7) 1643, Samuel b. 10 (1) 1644. He d. 23 (12) 1645. The widow m. 2, Sam- uel Judson, and 3, John Hayward. "Widow, her case before Plymouth Court 5 Nov. 1638."

>From Vital Record of Rhode Island. 1636-1850. by James N. Arnold, Providence, RI, 1892., Volume 3, Part VI, Smithfield - Births and Deaths: page 87- the only child listed by the name of Henry Aldrich: 2-73 ALDRICH, Alfred M., of Olney and Catharine, May 15, 1821 Izreal July 21, 1831 Rebecaa April 8, 1833 Mary Jane April 21, 1835 Henry Feb. 12, 1838

Looks like this portion got corrupted by my lousy e-mail program.. Eudora Pro, the jerks at Qualcomm have been absolutely no help with the problem, yet I can't find another program that runs in Win 3.1 that does what I need, Netscape mail is far too simplistic. >Children of James and Hannah AJ#515 GAG Vol 1 pg 193 > >01 Sarah b. 29 Jul 1809 m William Shaw >02 Phebe b. 14 Aug 1811 m Alonzo Bennett >03 Henry b. 05 May 1713 m Almira Treat [AJ#764] >04 Nathan b. 24 Dec 1815 m1) Harriet Dunning m2) Hannah >Gardner This one has my curiosity. Hannah Gardner, although I can not find a Hannah listed with any of my Gardners, there are a Lot of coincidences here. I show Sarah Aldrich, William Shaw, and James Sweet Gardner all dying in Lee Center, Illinois, all about the same age. Sarah and William had a daughter, Hannah Marie Shaw (likely after her grandmother) who married Joseph Gardner, James Sweet's son. The Gardner's came from England and settled in Swansea, Massachusetts. Very curious don't you think? Anyone have any idea who Nathan's second wife Hannah Gardner's parents were or more information about her? D. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net

Hi Scott: >I agree, wasn't really playing doubting Thomas, was just wondering if >anyone had a consensus about information where I have conflicting >information. So far apparently there is no consensus. David has said most >of his database comes from the Ancestral File, which I know is no more >accurate than what gets put in it. What I am saying is that nothing is better than first hand data. The persons aren't living, so then we go to vital records, church records, bible records, etc. When you post something or print something as AJ did when he did the GAG, with no sources listed, all that whatever dates and places indicate are really clues. Each item should be carefully research and documented David is correct in saying where he obtained his data, and you are correct, the Ancestral files are just that a tool or clue. Yes, there is some excellent documentation within these files, but unless you are particular, then even though Smithfield and Providence are both in Providence Co., RI, this is not good enough - exact is accurate, perhaps is acceptable with notations of where checked, etc. Sometimes we don't have the information, and may "guesstimate", but make that very clear, that is is a "guesstimation". As to what you personally wish to accept for yourself in your data is entirely up to up, but Smithfield or Providence is a big deal to me. Accuracy is my goal. No I did not mean to imply YOU were a doubting Thomas. Actually everyone should be just that. You have every right to question and never be afraid to ask. In my case, I've been at this for so long, things are second nature to me, and I sometimes forget that not all know that these family genealogies and histories without sources are just tools. I know this, but don't always indicate that to whoever I am having dialog with. In answer to you rquestion are the children of James and Hannah all born in Smithfield ? There is no indication where they are born. On pg 11 (Vol 2 GAG) (AJ#764) Henry is listed as being born in Smithfield. His brother Milton AJ#765 (same as above) doesn't have his place of birth listed. Since I do have the Providence Vital Records which I checked and nothing there, then I would certainly give credance to Smithfield being the place of birth. Not having the Smithfield Vital Records, nor any church records for that area, then I would indicate perhaps b. Smithfield and certainly have a big "?" mark to check this out. Sally <EPS@aol.com> are you there? Can you shed any light on the Smithfield Vital Records? So for all the Aldrich cousins - The GAG is a tool. The FTM -World Family Tree CD's are a tool. The Ancestral Files of LDS likewise - tools as are census records, IGI. The keywords here are: CHAPTER VERSE PAGE Alison _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi All, I entered the information my mother found about a Henry Aldrich who came to the Colonies about the same time as George, perhaps a brother to George. I got a response from another, that it was highly doubtful that George had a brother Henry, because none of his desendants had the name Henry. Now, all of a sudden, a Henry Aldrich shows up, born in Smithfield, RI. I wonder? And the plot thickens. Dick Allen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi Scott and All family researchers, The conversation on documentation is one dear to the heart of those of us who collect family data. Of course, documenatation requires extra work, but it is VERY HELPFUL when we share information. If I find information in VR of RI, East Greenwich, by J. N. Arnold, I say: "3-145 Aldrich, Thomas, and Susannah Spencer; m. by Joseph Nichols, Justice, Jan. 10, 1744." Source: Vital Record of Rhode Island, 1636-1850, by James N. Arnold, Vol. 1., Kent County, Part II, East Greenwich (RI) Marriages, page 1. (Volume at the RI Historical Society Library, 121 Hope Street, Providence, RI 02906) Now Mr. Arnold might have had a bad day, or miscopied this information, so ..... If we go to the East Greenwich, RI Town Hall and look (supposedly--- as I have not done this!) in the East Greenwich Town Vital Records, Vol. 1, page 145, we can probably say we have seen the original record (maybe get a photocopy), and the data agrees. If we have the original record, and so state, one could be more confident that the infromation is accurate. I think this is what Alison meant, when she said it was up to us to check the original records. I have often found that records given by the person whose pocketbook was involved at the time the event occurred, tended to be more accurate than someone who was recalling information told by someone else. i.e. a man writing his will, usually knew the names and relationships of the people to whom he wished to leave his estate; a man who was buying or selling a piece of property usually knew who the abutting property owners were, and the town he was in, or was from; a man who paid his taxes wanted to be sure that was recorded. A couple getting a marriage license probably knew their names and ages and hopefully listed their biological parents---(not step-parents who might have raised them.) On the other hand, because few of us write our own death records, it is hard to believe all the data supplied. Like Census records or Bible records, it depends who supplied the information. Genealogies are wonderful places to start, but like this typing, are subject to typo errors, and when info from a genealogy is passed on, the typo, or misinformation, is passed on also. Therefore, when we share info, lets give the source, because without a source the info has no bases in fact. If the info is in a data base, a library or archives, that is not a "source". That is the respository for the material. Thanks for all the information you all share. It's up to me to look in the original source if you have not included it. Sally

Scott Scheibe wrote: > David has said most > of his database comes from the Ancestral File, which I know is no more > accurate than what gets put in it. > Correction to your assumption. Ancestral File data I have are mostly through female lines and they made up very small percent. Most of the data I have came from early Archives records which are NOT to be confused with the Ancestral File. The archive records had sources listed and many were only 1-4 generations away from the submitters themselves. And a considerable part of the database came from my family (6 generations of them who were in Oregon since 1852). W. David Samuelsen

At 05:50 AM 3/29/98 -0600, Alison Gene Franks wrote: Hi Alison >I don't show a change for a son Henry being someone else's child, as far >as the GAG goes. I wasn't thinking of that, I just wanted to know who the other children were besides Henry and Sarah and their birth orders. >what. Then again, I caution that everyone even not take my word for >anything. If I cite a source, YOUR responsibility to check that source, >or if you think I am right or David is right, be certain to keep that >information as to where you got it, so that someone else can play >doubting Thomas. I agree, wasn't really playing doubting Thomas, was just wondering if anyone had a consensus about information where I have conflicting information. So far apparently there is no consensus. David has said most of his database comes from the Ancestral File, which I know is no more accurate than what gets put in it. >Children of James and Hannah AJ#515 GAG Vol 1 pg 193 > >01 Sarah b. 29 Jul 1809 m William Shaw >02 Phebe b. 14 Aug 1811 m Alonzo Bennett >03 Henry b. 05 May 1713 m Almira Treat [AJ#764]www.DailyOutrage.com/\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "Monday, March 23, 1998\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: " \r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "Tiananmen Square Poster\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "-----------------------\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "In June of 1989, thousands of students were massacred by Chinese\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "soldiers as they demonstrated for democracy in Tiananmen Square.\r\n" 64:2.45 Rcvd: "Like most great tragedies, the Tiananmen Square ttled in Swansea, Massachusetts. Very curious don't you think? Anyone have any idea who Nathan's second wife Hannah Gardner's parents were or more information about her? >05 Sarepta b. 19 Mar 1818 m George N. Bond >06 Levi b. 27 Jan 1820 m Eveline Sweetland >07 Addison b. 18 Jul 1828 d. 29 Sep 1859 >08 Milton b. 10 Sep 1830 m Sarah Shelly [AJ#765] >09 Newton b. 28 Jul 1833 m Anna Maria Showmaker >Because I do not have the Smithfield Vital Records, I cannot check this >information Are all James & Hannah's children listed in GAG as being born in Smithfield? >Here is a case in point. On page 113 of GAG, James Aldrich and his >siblings are all listed as being born in Smithfield, RI, and on pg 193, >he's listed as being born in Providence! The others as follows: Sayles no Smithfield and Providence are both in Providence County are they not? While it is a discrepancy it isn't one I would consider major. D. Scott Scheibe dsscheibe@earthlink.net