LOWNDES AND DALLAS COUNTY PEOPLE, I found a note that my great grandmother CAROLINE WHITE BEASLEY(1851-1936) was from Letohatchie(?) Al. She married JAMES MURRAY RUDULPH (1841-1897)of Lowndes County, but I have a note that her parents, MARTHA CAROLINE WHITE (1831-1861) & JOSEPH H. BEASLEY (1818-1881) had land in DALLAS COUNTY. Is LETOHATCHIE still there? Where? Thanks, Carole Caroline Burnett Cook

Lowndes County PEOPLE, I found a note that my great grandmother CAROLINE WHITE BEASLEY(1851-1936) was from Letohatchie(?) Al. She married JAMES MURRAY RUDULPH (1841-1897)of Lowndes County, but I have a note that her parents, MARTHA CAROLINE WHITE (1831-1861) & JOSEPH H. BEASLEY (1818-1881) had land in DALLAS COUNTY. Is LETOHATCHIE still there? Where? Thanks, Carole Caroline Burnett Cook

I am seeking information about my ancestors, Andrew KELLY and his sons Samuel and James, who lived in Dallas County in 1835. About 1832 Andrew KELLY moved to AL and obtained a land patent in 1833 in Dallas Co., AL. In 1835 he deeded this land to sons, Samuel and James R. KELLY (Dallas Co., AL Deeds D-219 and 220). Between 1834 and 1837 Samuel KELLY obtained land patents in Dallas Co., AL, and before 1850 had moved to Monroe Co., AL. Samuel KELLY was my g-g-g-grandfather. His daughter, Rosannah (my g-g-grandmother), married Henry TAYLOR in Monroe County, AL in 1848. Can anyone tell me where EXACTLY these KELLYs lived? How can I get copies of their land records? Do you have any other information about them? Do you know where I might find any additional information about them? Are any of their descendants still in Dallas County? I will appreciate your response. Kathryn "A family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching these families in the Southeast: COX, CROUT, HENRY, HILL, KELLY/KHELE, LAWRENCE, LITCHFIELD, MAULDIN, NELSON, OVERTON, TAYLOR, UZZELL, WEST. Also, AMBROSE, BALCH, HOUGH, STARKEY, PRINCE, TERRELL. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for the info on Union Beat in the 1870 Census, maybe that's why in 1900 my grandfather lived at Valley Creek. ccalhoun44@aol.com

Sending this out again for information. Dorothy Durden ----- Original Message ----- From: dorothy vasvary To: Georgia ; Alabama ; Autauga County ; Coosa County ; Jefferson ; Lawrence County ; Russell County ; alangley@HIWAAY.net Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: Clemmonds,McVay,McWilliams, Quillen Sarah Elizabeth Clemmons b. abt. 1814 Kentucky, d. 1865 Mt. Hope, Ala. m. Pleasant Washington McVay b. April 2, 1813 Lawrence County, Ala.? m. July 18, 1833 Lawrence County, Ala. d. Jan. 22, 1895 Mt Hope, Ala. Children: William Sterlin McVay b. Jan. 15, 1843 d. Nov. 18, 1908 Birmingham, Ala. Neomi McVay b. May 27, 1839 d. in Waco, Texas Other children died early (1844-46) & James McVay, no date. Would like any information on the parents of Sarah Elizabeth Clemmons and Pleasant Washington McVay. Elizabeth Quillen b. Nov. 4, 1817 in Tenn. d. Feb. 23, 1876 m. Hugh McWilliams b. Nov. 12, 1812 Tenn. Children: John Alexander McWilliams b. March 5, 1841 in Franklin County Ala. m. Lucinda Berneta Sockwell on April, 1867 She was b. Feb. 18, 1847 in Carroll County, Ga. d. Feb. 23, 1920 in Tuscumbia, Ala. Daughter-Mattie Ellanora McWilliams b. Nov. 20, 1874 in Tuscumbia, Ala. m. William Rufus McVay b. in Mt Hope, Ala. m. Sept. 22, 1892 d. March 26, 1910. Hugh McVay b. May 9, 1746 m. Mary Fain? Daughter--Arminda R. McVay m. Bill McCarthy(William D. McCarthy) Nov. 13, 1834 in Lawrence County, Ala. Would want any information on the parents of the above relatives. Thanks, Dorothy Durden

Linda: Yeah that's me. I have hit the point of fishing. I know we have some Covey folks in Alabama somewhere. I'll stir those rascals up. R. E. Covey, an uncle to my father, left Tennessee the same time a bunch of them came to Yell County, Arkansas. Ol' Bob Ed, that's Robert Edgar, finally left Alabama and came to Fort Smith, Arkansas where he started a furniture factory and made hisself less than poor. He left some of the COVEY folks in Alabama and I don't have the foggiest notion who it is. Bill Covey Creator of Ol' Tubby Joe Stottlemeyer Author of: Watson Is Where It Wuz http://home.att.net/~billcovey/index.html

At 05:09 PM 2/17/00 -0500, Ccalhoun44@aol.com wrote: >In the 1870 Census there is a Union Precinct in Dallas County. Would someone >be kind enough to describe the area in president day terms? I would like to >know where my grandparents lived during that time. > >Grateful. ----------------------- The last time I was in Selma, I copied a map at the library: "DALLAS COUNTY, ALABAMA, showing divisions of county INTO BEATS. Office of W.O. Crisman, C.E. June 1909". It shows district lines and the names but doesn't show much other detail so I'm comparing it with my DOT map of the county. In 1909 Union Beat lay west of Selma, north of Cahaba, east of Marion Junction and bordered on Perry County on the north. The western boundary was the Cahaba River, the northern one was the Perry County line, the upper part of the eastern boundary looks like Valley Creek (but I wouldn't swear to that) and the lower part is the Alabama River. The southern boundary of Union Beat was a straight line (roughly where Rte 22 and the L&N RR are today) running between the Cahaba and the Alabam Rivers. Potter is the geographic center of Union Beat. Looks like it was aka Winston at one time and is right on the Southern RR Line. I don't see any other town on either map but maybe someone else on the list who's more familiar with the area can tell you the name of soem of the historical communities in that area. Take a look at this map http://www.prairiebluff.com/algenweb/dallas/dall_lg.gif, and you'll see Potter just west of Selma. Hope this helps. B.J. Smothers ALDALLAS-L Listowner Dallas County, Alabama Genealogy http://www.prairiebluff.com/algenweb/dallas/

Information only. Abram Durden m. Sarah Briton-Britain, father of Joseph Durden Joseph Durden b. 1803 m. Sarah Watson. Harriet Jane Durden m. James Elbert Hobbs. My line has a lot of Watson names, such as William Watson, Thomas Watson could they be connected to the Josrph Durdens? Dorothy Durden

Hi List: Thanks for having me. I will be posting the the near future in search of my lost COVEY folks. Bill Covey Creator of Ol' Tubby Joe Stottlemeyer Author of: Watson Is Where It Wuz http://home.att.net/~billcovey/index.html

Welcome to this list Bill! I see your post from time to time on the Bradley Co. Arkansas list. Linda Sharp Smith

There is a Union Church on county road 67 just north of the junction with county road 30 in section 10, township 15 north and range 11 east approximately 8 miles south south east of Selma. It is possible that this church was in Union Precinct but I am not sure. James R. Rasco

In the 1870 Census there is a Union Precinct in Dallas County. Would someone be kind enough to describe the area in president day terms? I would like to know where my grandparents lived during that time. Grateful.

Thanks for the info on county records Del it will indeed save me time when I visit Selma. Ernest- I assumed that since William Page Molette was born in 1785 he was too old to be in an actual fighting unit. But at that stage of the war I guess anything was possible. But, with the info Suzanne Coats posted I tend to believe the incident had to have happened close to Selma. I did make a mistake on the actual date he was 'shot"- it was April 16, 1865 not the 15th. My information was sent to me by a researcher from Montgomery and his original post said "Murdered by Yankee Soldiers'. It was from a conversation with a very distant relative ( I believe it was Eleanor Molette Cobb) who still lives in the Selma area that I noted "shot in the back." The information I got from Montgomery also said that Charles Caldwell Molette (William Page's grandson) died at the battle of McNut Hill, TN Apr, 1863. Charles was listed as private in Co E, 3rd Al Regiment, CSA. Suzanne thank you for the info you sent. I will see if my state library has a copy of that book. I did not know that William P. was a Col. at his age- could that have been in a home guard type unit? As I said before ya'll have been so helpful and I don't think I can really express how much this help means to me. The story of Charles Stonewall Jackson Mann that I can gather is a hard one to figure out and sad sometimes. Up until I got the notion to find out his parent names- most of us in the family did not know anything about the AL connection or the Molette family. We were under the impression that Charles was a German immigrant who came into the country through Louisiana and settled in Baltimore then Richmond, VA. somewhere around the turn of the century. It was a shock to find out that his maternal family (including his mother) was "American born" (figuratively) immigrating from Germany in the early 1700s and that the family appeared to be "well to do [before the war) and well placed in society". And no one knows his father's name. As far as anyone in the family can remember the only thing Charles ever said about his father and his parents was "MANN" was his father's surname. The rest of the information I have came from digging up a boy's memory of a trip in a new 1935 Ford to a strange place called Molette's bend and looking at a grave with the name Eliza on it -then going to a lawyers office , the courthouse and a drug store for ice cream. But most of all I have what I have because of people like yourself--willing to share and take the time. Thank you all, Sandra

Dorothy, Is there any possibility that the DARDENS could have originally come from VA. The reason I ask is I know that from Isle of Wight Co. in VA a family with the surname of CROCKER traveled to Dallas Co. in the 1820s. There is also a family called DARDEN in Isle of Wight living close to the CROCKER family along with the BARTON and GWALTNEY families before, during and after that time period. In looking at info for the Crocker family I had noticed that Darden & Barton were also in Dallas Co. as well as in Isle of Wight. In fact Darden & Crocker married in my Crocker line somewhere near the turn of the century. I don't have much info other than what is on the different VA County web pages since DARDEN is not my immediate line but it might be worth a look see. Sandra Mann Oakley

Are all of Dallas county records on microfilm and available (have to be ordered from Salt Lake?) on microfilm? There are old orphans' court records that I'd like to have copies of (not abstracts - copies of the actual documents). I know the pages numbers already. Are these available through the Dallas county court also? Which source could provide them most promptly? Thanks in advance for any advice and info. Rgds., Judy Baugh <procyon@prodigy.net> Families of interest in Dallas & surrounding counties: CARLETON, COX, DUBOIS, GAYLE, GREENING, HAYNSWORTH, SWEPSON, WARREN, WHITEHEAD, WILLIAMS > From: "Del Jupiter" <djupiter@bellsouth.net> > > If you go to your local LDDS Familyy HIstory Center. All of Dallas Co. > records aare on microfilm. You can save yours elf some time by using the > microfilm at home than go to Selma and use those loose probate papers > located in the basement of the courthouse. > > Del >

ELLIS (And Norred) FAMILY REUNION-JUNE 10, 2000 Descendents of the Rev. John Ellis and his wife, Catherine, are invited to a reunion of the William Edward Ellis-Emily Ann Norred family to be held June 10, 2000 at the Witherington Farm, outside of Evergreen, AL. The descendents would include children of John Brown Ellis, George Bruce Ellis, Neill Ellis, Thomas Ellis, William Jame Dexter and Catherine Ann, James W. Hubbard, Boyd, Spurlin, Hiram Holt, Swelyn McIntosh and James S. Underwood. Additionally, relatives of Emily Ann and her brother, Mullican Norred are also invited to visit their cousins in Conecuh County. There will be a catered buffet luncheon. Reservations may be made prior to May 15th with Katie Sue Ellis Burt, Rt. 1, Box 186, Peterman, AL 36471. Questions may be directed to Charlotte Ellis Pate, 1010 Sharie, Deer Park, Tx. 77536, phone 281-479-4528, e mail: repate@ix.netcom.com Charlotte Ellis Pate

Am sending this out again, seeking additional information. Thanks, Dorothy Durden ----- Original Message ----- From: dorothy vasvary To: Autauga County ; Jefferson ; john355@mindspring.com ; Georgia ; Alabama ; Louisiana ; dlhutchi@corpserv.delta.edu Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: Dardens Dardens: (1) 1st generation (2) 2nd generation (3) 3rd generation ,etc. 1--- Stephen Darden settled in Nansmond County, Virginia in 1640. 2---Captain John Darden, R. S.,m. Miss Dandridge, sister of Martha Washington. 3---John Darden, Jr., R. S. b. 1734. 3---Jacob Darden, R. S. m. Mary Hilliard. 4---Ziephia Darden, m. Joshua Roundtree. 4---Cynthia Darden, m. Needham Bryant. 4---Jacob Darden, Jr., d. unmarried. 3---William Darden, b. 1736; m. Mary Dekle. 4---Dennis Darden, m. Phobe Dilliard. 4---Ellis Darden, m. Mary Barwick. 4---Simeon Darden, m. Eliza Barwick. 4---Lucinda Darden, m. Manning Roundtree. 4---Ebernezer Darden, m. (1) Roxie Rountree, and (2) Mrs. Lythia Boatwright Nee Bryant. 4---Mary Darden, m. James Dilliard. 3---Stephen Darden, b.1737. 3---George Darden R. S. , b. 1739, received land grants in Wilkes County, Ga. for war services; m. Martha Burch, b. 1741, daughter of Richard Burch. 4---George Darden, Jr. b. 1760. 4---Richard Darden, b. 1763. 4---Elizabeth Darden, b. 1765; d. 1848; m. Governor Stephen Heard R. S., b. 1740, d. 1815. 5---Barnard Carroll Heard, b. March 12, 1787; m. Polly Hutson. 6---Boliver Heard. 6---Stephen Heard. 6---John Heard, m. Elizabeth Williamson. 5---Martha Burch Heard, b. Oct. 10, 1788; d. Dec. 7, 1824 m. about 1805, Barlett Tucker, b. 1784 6---Stephen Heard Tucker, m. Jan. 16, 1827, Mary Aiken, daughter of Thomas Aiken. 6---Elizabeth Tucker, m. (1) Mr. Upshaw, (2) Dec.2, 1840, Robert Harris. 7---(By 1st wife), daughter m. Mr. Harris. 7---Robert Harris, Jr. 7---(By 2nd wife) Alva Harris. 7---Clarence P. Harris, m. Eva Wakefield. 8---Alice Pope Harris, m. Frank Asbury lll. 9---Frank Asbury lll. 7---James Harris. 7---Walton Harris. 6---Sarah Tucker, m. Jan. 27, 1842, Henry Sanders. No issue. 5---Bridget Carroll Heard, b. June 17, 1795, m. (1) March 6, 1817, Simeon Henderson and (2), Elbert H. Thompson. 6---William Henderson, b. 1796. 6---Daughter Thompson, m. Mr. Riddle. 6---Daughter Thompson , m. Mr. Jones. 5---Dr. George Washington Heard, member Georgia Legislature. b. June 17, 1791; m. April 20, 1815, Sahah Carter, daughter of Thomas A. Carter R. S. 6---Stephen Heard, m. Mary Aiken. 7---Phillip Heard, m. Miss Tillman. 5---John Adams Heard, b. March 17, 1793; d. 1838, solicitor general Western Circuit of Georgia. Unmarried Hope this information is helpful and some one can help me with my Durden line ( Francis, 1770: Benjamin, 1793, etc.) Thanks, Dorothy Durden P. S. Notice that Elizabeth Barwich m. Semeon Darden. Her father, George Darden, R. S. b. 1739, received land grants in Wilkes County, Ga. for war services. He married about 1759 to Martha Burch b. 1741. Her father was Richard Burch. Ellis Darden married Mary Barwick (sister of Elizabeth Barwick).

----- Original Message ----- From: dorothy vasvary To: Autauga ; ClarkCounty ; Coosa County ; Dallas ; Jefferson ; Russell ; NC ; RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com ; SC ; VA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com ; Georgia Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:14 PM Subject: Durden, McVay, McWilliams Hi, Francis Durden b. 1770 N. Carolina Son--Benjamin Durden b 1793 d. 1867 m. Elizabeth Beard Son--Sherod Durden b. 1832 d. 1918 m. Permelia Sentel Son--Thomas Watson Durden b. 1852 m. Josephone A. Kelley Does anyone know who the parents of Francis Durden were and who was his wife? Pleasant Washington McVay - 1st wife Sarah Elizabeth Clemmonds, both parents died in Mt Hope, Ala. (McVay). Looking for the parents names of Pleasant (PW) and Elizabeth. Hugh McWilliams b.Feb 18, 1812 in Tenn. m. Elizabeth Quillen Son--John Alexander McWilliams m. Lucinda Bernita Sockwell Searching for Information on Patrick Mcwilliams of South Carolina. Some believe he arrived there 2or 3 years after Hugh. Any information on any of these names would be helpful. Thanks Dorothy Durden

If you go to your local LDDS Familyy HIstory Center. All of Dallas Co. records aare on microfilm. You can save yours elf some time by using the microfilm at home than go to Selma and use those loose probate papers located in the basement of the courthouse. Del -----Original Message----- From: OAK6LEY@aol.com [mailto:OAK6LEY@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:31 PM To: ALDALLAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALDALLAS-L] MOLETTE's BEND-Orrvill Thanks Irma and all the others! I don't know why I did not join this list long ago- my first query and a wealth of info and help appears! You are wonderful! I am not sure when I will be able to get to Selma but it is in the planning stage. Perhaps sometime this summer. I was hoping that the records were mainly intact since (if history & memory serves me) Selma was occupied through a portion of the War. (where I live they still call it the "WAR" as if no other war ever happened). I know that in my 3rd grt grandfather's information (William Page Molette who was the original Molette settler) it stated that he died on April 15, 1865- shot in the back by a Yankee-So I figure Selma was occupied at least during the last part of the war. Knowing the extent of records helps in planning how many days needed to research- now all I have to do is get the husband to drive all day and night to get there- entertain himself in a strange city for about five days while I dig through books then drive all day and night back home...HUMMMM Once again thanks Sandra Mann Oakley- A Virginian with Alabama Roots!-

Sandra, According o the book, Selma, Her Institutions and Her Men, by John Hardy, which you will be able to read when you get to the Library in Selma, says that Col. Wm P. Molett was a stockholder in a bank in Selma that was established in 1856, The Commercial Bank of Alabama. It had a capital of $500,000, but of course at the fall of the Confederacy in 1865 the capital of the bank was worthless.More about this in page 52. Re: Yankees in Selma. Also according to the book, the city was assaulted by the Yankee forces led by Gen. Wilson and fell on Sunday, the 2nd of April, 1865. Gen. Wilson gave the order to destroy everything that would benefit the Confederate cause. The yankee forces feeling very good about the victory entered the city that night and "terrible scenes of plunder and outrages were witnessed in every direction". Look at page 51 for a longer version of this. However in this book, there was no mention of the death of Col. Molett. Suzanne Shuttleworth Coats OAK6LEY@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Irma and all the others! > I don't know why I did not join this list long ago- my first query and a > wealth of info and help appears! You are wonderful! > I am not sure when I will be able to get to Selma but it is in the planning > stage. Perhaps sometime this summer. I was hoping that the records were > mainly intact since (if history & memory serves me) Selma was occupied > through a portion of the War. (where I live they still call it the "WAR" as > if no other war ever happened). > I know that in my 3rd grt grandfather's information (William Page Molette who > was the original Molette settler) it stated that he died on April 15, 1865- > shot in the back by a Yankee-So I figure Selma was occupied at least during > the last part of the war. > > Knowing the extent of records helps in planning how many days needed to > research- now all I have to do is get the husband to drive all day and night > to get there- entertain himself in a strange city for about five days while I > dig through books then drive all day and night back home...HUMMMM > > Once again thanks > Sandra Mann Oakley- A Virginian with Alabama Roots!-