Where is our List Administrator. There has to be a way to put an end to this. Obviously Chaps isn't going to even after being asked numerous. Lets get back to looking for our Ancestors instead of humoring this person with replies. Have a good day. Louann Morris Happy Hunting

Rose, Your question is one I have been wondering about! Where/who is the list manager, and how do we find him/her? There should be monitoring of these sites to halt such postings. J J G > [Original Message] > From: Douglas Denson <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/23/02 12:22:32 PM > Subject: [ALCOOSA] OFF TOPIC > > Where is our listmanager? Please put a stop to the bickering. Just drop it! > Lets get back to researching our families. This is not the place to debate the past or decide the future. > Rose > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Steven, Thanks for an excellent suggestion. This is a simple and decisive way to avoid some of this craziness. It cuts out the "junk" mail and let us concentrate on our purpose for posting here. The messages will not be there to aggravate us, or incite further reactions to the inflammatory notes going out in the last few days. It was very simple on EarthLink, just using the "junk" button on the toolbar. Now, I'll just see what pertains to my genealogy research. Thanks Steven! Janell > [Original Message] > From: Steven L. Schullo <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/23/02 12:05:16 PM > Subject: [ALCOOSA] Block unwanted messages! > > This is unbelievable. Just drop it or find a relevant mailing list to > flood. > > Anyone who uses Outlook or Outlook Express can set up a rule to > automatically delete messages from a particular sender. If the list > manager will not restrict postings, I suggest we do so. > > I just set up my rule, anyone requiring help, let me know and I will be > happy to oblige. > > Let's keep this mailing list focused on genealogy research. > > Steven L. Schullo > mailto:[email protected] > ============================

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Where is our listmanager? Please put a stop to the bickering. Just drop it! Lets get back to researching our families. This is not the place to debate the past or decide the future. Rose

This is unbelievable. Just drop it or find a relevant mailing list to flood. Anyone who uses Outlook or Outlook Express can set up a rule to automatically delete messages from a particular sender. If the list manager will not restrict postings, I suggest we do so. I just set up my rule, anyone requiring help, let me know and I will be happy to oblige. Let's keep this mailing list focused on genealogy research. Steven L. Schullo mailto:[email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ALCOOSA] Definition of GENEALOGY/HISTORY Genealogy is the study of family origins and history. Genealogists compile lists of ancestors, which they arrange in pedigree charts or other written forms. The word genealogy comes from two Greek words-one meaning "race" or "family" and the other "theory" or "science." Thus is derived "to trace ancestry," the science of studying family history. Genealogy has its own language, similar to other disciplines such as law, medicine or real estate. When tracing your family tree it is common to encounter records filled with archaic, obsolete or legal terms, acronyms and abbreviations that you aren't familiar with. This can make genealogy seem a lot like learning a foreign language to an overwhelmed "newbie." Misinterpreting these terms or applying present-day definitions to documents created in an earlier century can lead your research in the wrong direction. Taking the time to look up the appropriate meaning of a word or interpretation of an abbreviation is an important part of your family history search. Definition of history. Noah Webster, in his 1828 dictionary defined "history" as: An account of facts respecting nations or states; a narrative of events in the order in which they happened with their causes and effects. History differs from Annals. Notes: For a child to appreciate history, there must be told a story that relates the heart-felt beliefs that led those people to the actions they chose. Without such an understanding of their heart, there is no understanding of the history. To know history is to know what people did and why, that is to know their heart. Cold names without warm understanding of why they did the things they did is no more use to a child than learning the alphabet and not learning to form words. It takes stories from the time to be able to understand the time you are studying. It takes stories leading up to the time, as well as stories of that time. If your child isn't getting outside reading material, that is stories of history, then he is only passing exams on lists of historical names and dates, with little or no understanding of what happened. Look at the pitiful dearth of stories from 1st grade through high school on the American War for Independence. No wonder our children don't understand the thinking of the American War for Independence. Failure to understand the concepts of freedom as envisioned by those leaders is a primary assistance to the changing of America from a republic form of government to a socialistic democracy. Not knowing the background of the constitutional wording that was intended to guaranteed us a republican form of government, most students today would say we have a democracy. If you don't know the response of our founding fathers to that word, then you haven't read your history, you've been subjected to the rewriting of America's history. <A HREF="http://www.christianparents.com/bookstor">Buy some books </A>from this site to learn the lessons you need to know if you're to understand true American history as our Founding Fathers wanted us to know. Respectfully Yours, Chaps ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Having said all that and enlightening all of us on just what Genealogy "is", what does genealogy have to do with reparations? Are you hoping that by compiling your ancestors you will be able to claim some kind of monetary reward? If that is what your goal is, I think you have chosen the wrong hobby or pastime. I think that if you work at this for a long time and gather a lot of information any number of us could come across ancestors who were "done wrong" in the past. That is part of history and part of life and in the past. History is the greatest learning tool of all--we learn from our past and try to live better lives in the future. Trying to get revenge for something that happened many years ago is not really going to accomplish anything but a lot of hurt feelings. I think it will do more harm than good. I have been at this pursuit for over 30 years and have not received any monetary rewards. Probably if I had all the money I spent, I could retire now at 55. However, because I spent all that money on my passion, I have a room full of ancestors that I would not take for. Some may have been rogues and some may have been royalty, but I love them all just the same. And that is not to mention all the wonderful people I have met along the way---most in it for the same reason I am. Oh, I will admit that when I first started this all those years ago, I was going to write a book on my genealogy and make a ton of money. How I laugh at that now! Now, I am just trying to get all of this into a form that I will be able to leave to my son, hoping that he will then take an interest. He won't be getting a lot of money from my estate---I spent it all on genelogy. Lynda Taylor *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ *:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-:                        God Bless America!!! *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ *:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-:

Chaps, In reading your post this morning I find the following two statements in direct conflict with each other. "to learn the lessons you need to know if you're to understand true American history as our Founding Fathers wanted us to know." Definition of history. Noah Webster, in his 1828 dictionary defined "history" as: An account of facts respecting nations or states; a narrative of events in the order in which they happened with their causes and effects. History differs from Annals. History is as stated above, an account of facts; The way a certain group of people would have these "facts" interpreted is propaganda, not history..... no matter what group is "wanting us to know" their side. Much truth in history is lost due to this type of thinking. Many past mistakes are repeated by future generatons due to learning this type of "history". Please don't try to sell me books or educate me on your particular brand of history, because from the post you sent, and I have quoted this morning, it is evident that you are not truely schooled in this subject. Inga

Genealogy is the study of family origins and history. Genealogists compile lists of ancestors, which they arrange in pedigree charts or other written forms. The word genealogy comes from two Greek words—one meaning “race” or “family” and the other “theory” or “science.” Thus is derived “to trace ancestry,” the science of studying family history. Genealogy has its own language, similar to other disciplines such as law, medicine or real estate. When tracing your family tree it is common to encounter records filled with archaic, obsolete or legal terms, acronyms and abbreviations that you aren't familiar with. This can make genealogy seem a lot like learning a foreign language to an overwhelmed "newbie." Misinterpreting these terms or applying present-day definitions to documents created in an earlier century can lead your research in the wrong direction. Taking the time to look up the appropriate meaning of a word or interpretation of an abbreviation is an important part of your family history search. Definition of history. Noah Webster, in his 1828 dictionary defined "history" as: An account of facts respecting nations or states; a narrative of events in the order in which they happened with their causes and effects. History differs from Annals. Notes: For a child to appreciate history, there must be told a story that relates the heart-felt beliefs that led those people to the actions they chose. Without such an understanding of their heart, there is no understanding of the history. To know history is to know what people did and why, that is to know their heart. Cold names without warm understanding of why they did the things they did is no more use to a child than learning the alphabet and not learning to form words. It takes stories from the time to be able to understand the time you are studying. It takes stories leading up to the time, as well as stories of that time. If your child isn't getting outside reading material, that is stories of history, then he is only passing exams on lists of historical names and dates, with little or no understanding of what happened. Look at the pitiful dearth of stories from 1st grade through high school on the American War for Independence. No wonder our children don't understand the thinking of the American War for Independence. Failure to understand the concepts of freedom as envisioned by those leaders is a primary assistance to the changing of America from a republic form of government to a socialistic democracy. Not knowing the background of the constitutional wording that was intended to guaranteed us a republican form of government, most students today would say we have a democracy. If you don't know the response of our founding fathers to that word, then you haven't read your history, you've been subjected to the rewriting of America's history. <A HREF="http://www.christianparents.com/bookstor">Buy some books </A>from this site to learn the lessons you need to know if you're to understand true American history as our Founding Fathers wanted us to know. Respectfully Yours, Chaps

Hello list, I am researching the Coker family. Ausborn R. Coker was the first sheriff of Coosa County. Need to know his wife and children's names. Thompson Coker was married to Mary Watson. He was in Bibb County and came to Coosa County, Thompson Coker died around 1837, seeking information about his death. Nathan Coker was married to Susan Watson, Nathan Coker was in Monroe County and lived in Coosa in the 1830's and was in the 1840 census there. Middleton Coker was the son of Noah Coker of Autauga County, Alabama. Middleton had a brother named Thomas Coker, seeking any information about Thomas Coker. There are 2 marriages of a James A. Coker in the marriage records, were there 2 James A. Coker's in Coosa or is this the same James A. Coker? There was also an Asbury Coker mentioned in the history of Coosa County. Beth Gay - [email protected]

I can't agree with your stated "purpose" for posting Thursday's info on this site. You aren't just trying to inform people, you are trying to advance your own agenda, where it has no place. When we want news, we can read USA Today, New York Times, or our local papers, on our own and form our individual conclusions. We do not need an interpreter. There is no genealogy connected with reparations. It has been many, many, decades since any former slave was alive in this country. (Although there are thousands of slaves around the world today.) I'm not looking to recover for lands, homes, cotton, food, lives, etc. lost when the "carpet baggers" invaded the South and conspired with "reconstructionists" to overtax white people in order to take over their farms and possessions. You seem to be aware of only one side of history during the 1800's. You should consider the things you are posting if you are receiving hate mail. I've never seen this type biased info put on any site, in any state, before so you must have quite a lot to do with the reactions you get in return. Get back to the basics of what people intend to do when the subscribe to this list--it is genealogy, or family research, not to be preached at! J J G > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/22/02 11:56:47 AM > Subject: [ALCOOSA] Re: REPARATIONS for SLAVERY! > > In a message dated 2/22/02 10:36:01 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Traci, > > > > It isn't one message (sheesh....) Chaps routinely sends these sorts of > > racially-biased political messages to several genealogy lists (that I'm > > aware of) routinely. Go to the Rootsweb archives and search the Coosa, > > Tallapoosa, Alabama and other Southern lists for his email address and > > you'll find that this is a pattern , unrestrained by the list managers. > > > > This is not the place for advancing whatever we perceive to be our social > > and moral vocation - it's the place to learn about our ancestors. > > > > Respectfully, > > Nancy Pressley > > > > Nancy-- > > > > ENOUGH, is ENOUGH!!!! I AM A (MAN) AMONGST (MEN)!!! Therefore, I will > > NOT remain silent any longer and let you LIE on me. > > I read this article yesterday, in the USA Today newspaper and thought it > would be a GREAT article to post. However, it appears I have a lot of > Caucasian like yourself, upset me. You would believe ALL the HATE e-mail I > have received from this List: [email protected] however, I did NOT say I > agree or disagree with the article, it was being posted for INFORMATIVE, > GENEALOGICAL, and HISTORICAL purposes ONLY!!! > > I have e-mail stating slavery has nothing to do with genealogy, well they are > wrong. Slavery was genealogy and history. I am researching the history of > my family, therefore, if that's NOT genealogy what is it??? > > My point is, there's still a lot of ignorant folks in American and on this > List, which descend from slave owner ancestry, etc... If America can pay > REPARATIONS to > the Japanese, Jews, etc.. They can certainly pay for African-Americans and > Native Americans. > > The federal government created the Freedmen's Bureau in the 1860s to provide > assistance to former slaves. It also promised the former slaves parcels of > land and the loan of a federal government mule to work the land. The federal > government NEVER lived up to its promise of "forty acres and a mule." > Nevertheless, some African American farmers were able to buy or lease parcels > of land under these programs. However, during Reconstruction under President > Andrew Johnson, many of the powers and activities of the Freedmen's Bureau > were dismantled and much of the land that had been leased to black farmers > was taken away and returned to Confederate loyalist. > > Peace & One Love, > > Chaps > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have family info on the following Coosa Co. families I will share. Jacob Kelly, b. ca 1816 SC., d. bet 1901/1902 Coosa Co., AL m. dtd ukn Harriet Lybrand, b. ca 1827 SC., d ca 1861 Coosa Co., AL William Lybrand, b. ca 1787 SC., d. Probably Coosa Co., AL. m. dtd ukn Barbara Sease, b. bet 1790/1795, d. Probably Coosa Co., AL. Jesse Suttle, b. ca 1775 NC., d. 16 May 1836 Coosa Co., AL m. ca 1797 Elbert Co., GA Sarah Willis (possible maiden name) William Osburn Dunlap, b. 20 Dec 1812 SC., d. 26 Oct 1899 Elmore Co., AL. m. 18 Jan 1838 GA Lavinia Tullis, b. 4 Jul 1818 GA., d. 4 Mar 1895 Elmore Co., AL William & Lavinia lived in the part of Coosa Co., AL that became Elmore Co., AL. John Gantt, b. ca 1805 GA.,, d. 22 Jun 1883 Elmore Co., AL m. 23 Jun 1833, Talbot Co., GA. Elizabeth Arons, b. ca 1815 GA., d. Elmore Co., AL John & Elizabeth lived in the part of Coosa Co., AL that became Elmore Co., AL John Gaylor, b. bet 1794/1804 NC., d. ca 1853 Coosa Co., AL. m. 21 Jan 1819, Jackson Co., GA Sarah Downey, b. cet 1797/1804, d. dtd ukn Rev Christain Wingard, d. 13 May 1804 SC., d. 10 May 1895 m. 25 Aug 1825, SC. Anna Katharina Nichols, b. 11 Oct 1810 SC., d. 14 Feb 1886, Elmore Co., AL John Varner, b. 10 Sep 1783 NC., d. 31 Dec 1869 Coosa Co., AL m. 10 Jan 1807 Oglethrope Co., GA Nancy Powell, b. ca 1790, d. bet 1840/1850 Coosa Co., AL William A. Wilson, b. ca 1802 TN., d. ca 1887 Coosa Co., AL. m. 22 May 1831 Bibb Co., AL Ann Harkins, b. ca 1809, SC., d. ca 1876 Coosa Co., AL Leonard Cranford, b. ca 1803 GA., d. Jun 1885 Crewsville, AL m. dtd ukn Mary A. (maiden name ukn) b. ca 1808 SC Joseph HIll, b. ca 1779 Union District SC., d. ca 1875 Coosa Co., AL m. dtd ukn Sarah A. (maiden name ukn), b. ca 1801 N/S Carolina. Thanks Ann Corum/Hazel Green, AL

In a message dated 2/22/02 10:49:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] writes: > I am searching for William David Varner who married Sophia Tabetha Bailey in > 1874 Coosa County Alabama. Does any one have information on this family. > Thanks Beverly > Beverly-- (PLEASE) contact me in person!!! Respectfully Yours, Chaps

In a message dated 2/22/02 10:36:01 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] writes: > Traci, > > It isn't one message (sheesh....) Chaps routinely sends these sorts of > racially-biased political messages to several genealogy lists (that I'm > aware of) routinely. Go to the Rootsweb archives and search the Coosa, > Tallapoosa, Alabama and other Southern lists for his email address and > you'll find that this is a pattern , unrestrained by the list managers. > > This is not the place for advancing whatever we perceive to be our social > and moral vocation - it's the place to learn about our ancestors. > > Respectfully, > Nancy Pressley > > Nancy-- > > ENOUGH, is ENOUGH!!!! I AM A (MAN) AMONGST (MEN)!!! Therefore, I will > NOT remain silent any longer and let you LIE on me. I read this article yesterday, in the USA Today newspaper and thought it would be a GREAT article to post. However, it appears I have a lot of Caucasian like yourself, upset me. You would believe ALL the HATE e-mail I have received from this List: [email protected] however, I did NOT say I agree or disagree with the article, it was being posted for INFORMATIVE, GENEALOGICAL, and HISTORICAL purposes ONLY!!! I have e-mail stating slavery has nothing to do with genealogy, well they are wrong. Slavery was genealogy and history. I am researching the history of my family, therefore, if that's NOT genealogy what is it??? My point is, there's still a lot of ignorant folks in American and on this List, which descend from slave owner ancestry, etc... If America can pay REPARATIONS to the Japanese, Jews, etc.. They can certainly pay for African-Americans and Native Americans. The federal government created the Freedmen's Bureau in the 1860s to provide assistance to former slaves. It also promised the former slaves parcels of land and the loan of a federal government mule to work the land. The federal government NEVER lived up to its promise of "forty acres and a mule." Nevertheless, some African American farmers were able to buy or lease parcels of land under these programs. However, during Reconstruction under President Andrew Johnson, many of the powers and activities of the Freedmen's Bureau were dismantled and much of the land that had been leased to black farmers was taken away and returned to Confederate loyalist. Peace & One Love, Chaps

I have seen hot topics on many mailing lists destroy the lists. I have found the best way to prevent that is a roll call. As far as slavery goes, I am sure that we can not fully understand until we have walked in someone else's shoes. So as long as we keeping sending out genealogy information, things should calm down. I am research Lessley, Leslie, Carmichael, Thompson, and McDill families who moved from Abbeville Co, SC to Coweta Co., GA then to Coosa Co., AL. I am descended from Joseph Lessley who moved from Abbeville, Co, SC to Coweta Co., GA to Cleveland Co., AR. His siblings settled in Coosa Co., AL and I am in hope that information about them will lead to information about Joseph. Thanks and happy researching to each of you! Annabel

Anyone researching the same families? Steven L. Schullo BORN Dallas Infrastructure mailto:[email protected]

Traci, It isn't one message (sheesh....) Chaps routinely sends these sorts of racially-biased political messages to several genealogy lists (that I'm aware of) routinely. Go to the Rootsweb archives and search the Coosa, Tallapoosa, Alabama and other Southern lists for his email address and you'll find that this is a pattern , unrestrained by the list managers. This is not the place for advancing whatever we perceive to be our social and moral vocation - it's the place to learn about our ancestors. Respectfully, Nancy Pressley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Traci" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: [ALCOOSA] Re: REPARATIONS for SLAVERY! > First... > I don't understand why someone would unsubscribe from > a list because of one message...sheesh. > > Second... > As a decendent of slaves (and others) I stand to get > some money if this whole deal goes through but I do > not see the benefit in reparations. All I want is the > TRUTH. If our history books told the truth and our > children learned the truth that would have a more > profound effect than any amount of money reparations > could ever bring. > > -T- > > ===== > ----------------------------------------------------- > DUNN, CARMICHAEL, STABLER, JONES in Alabama > JAMES, FENNELL, SMITH, CARMICHAEL in North Carolina > BAILEY, DUNN, JONES, JAMES, VANKIRK in Pennslyvania > CARMICAHEL in Ohio > BAILEY in the Carribean Islands, Panama, New York > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am searching for William David Varner who married Sophia Tabetha Bailey in 1874 Coosa County Alabama.Does any one have information on this family.Thanks Beverly

Reparation is not only a African American thing it's a people thing. Reparation is part of History. Not Genealogy. Wrong List Wrong Topic....... I been on this list for awhile. And I watch how Genealogy info is shared. One sided..... What about sharing the wealth?? Native Americans and African Americans want to find their Ancestors too........

First... I don't understand why someone would unsubscribe from a list because of one message...sheesh. Second... As a decendent of slaves (and others) I stand to get some money if this whole deal goes through but I do not see the benefit in reparations. All I want is the TRUTH. If our history books told the truth and our children learned the truth that would have a more profound effect than any amount of money reparations could ever bring. -T- ===== ----------------------------------------------------- DUNN, CARMICHAEL, STABLER, JONES in Alabama JAMES, FENNELL, SMITH, CARMICHAEL in North Carolina BAILEY, DUNN, JONES, JAMES, VANKIRK in Pennslyvania CARMICAHEL in Ohio BAILEY in the Carribean Islands, Panama, New York __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com