EEB & Charlotte Pate, et al see mention of WILLIAM ELLIS (1830 Census) shown below which indicated that he was old enough to be the parent of Kinchen and Josiah Ellis. Could this possibly be YOUR William Ellis? Could Mary Ellis have been a sister of Kinchin, Josiah.... and possibly Joel? Think about it. Bill P.S. VERY GOOD info from 'Doc' Lee. Thanks, Doc!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Lavon Lee" <lavonlee@alaweb.com> To: "Bill King" <BillKing@houston.rr.com> Cc: "Cheryll Morris Sumner" <csumner1@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: KINCHEN ELLIS and JOSIAH ELLIS in Conecuh County Mr King, Josiah Ellis bought land 1823 so was 21 by then. Born before 1802. The land adjoined Kitchen Ellis so was probably kin. 1830 United States Federal Census Kinchin Ellis Not Stated, Conecuh, Alabama Name: Ellis, Knchin Township: Not Stated County: Conecuh State: Alabama Year: 1830 Roll: 3 Page: 98 1m<5 1m 20-30 1f<5 1f 15-20 This is on same page as Samuel Parker. The Parkers were down on the Conecuh River south of Damascus, (Now) Escambia county Al. The Church in the area was Elim Church and old records of this church must exist as some one found Samuel Parker listed there. I do not see Josiah listed in Alabama, but though you might be interested in Joel Ellis listed in Butler county, given that land records on Butler county line. Name: Ellis, Joel Township: Not Stated County: Butler State: Alabama Year: 1830 Roll: 2 Page: 302 Joel Ellis was 30-40 with 4 boys 5<-20. He is two houses from Philip Coleman who lived near Starlington. This is around 10 miles from Concord Cem. Name: Josiah Ellis Township: Not Stated County: Butler State: Alabama Roll: 1 Page: 158 1m<5 2m 5-10 1m 40-50 1f<5 1f 5-10 1f 10-15 1f 40-50 near John Parker which may be one of the "Conecuh River" Parkers. Not far from Philip Coleman 60-70. next page Name: Kinchen Ellis Township: Not Stated County: Butler State: Alabama Roll: 1 Page: 159 1m 5-10 1m 10-15 1m 30-40 2f<5 1f 10-15 1f 20-30 He lived only three hoses from William Ellis who is old enough to be his father. 1830 Butler County, AL Census William Ellis 1m 5-10 1m 10-15 1m 40-50 1f 5-10 Elijah Hobbs who was also from Conecuh River around Damascus also shows a few houses away. He had land south of Georgiana near rail line. The Colemans lived here also, and later are listed in Armadilo precicnt which was near Garland. 1850 Census Name: Kinchen Ellis Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1800 Birth place: North Carolina Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Beat 8, Butler, Alabama Page: 233 Roll: M432_2 # 813/813 Kinchen ELLIS 50 m farmer NC Lucretia 45 f John 20 m farmer AL Mary 20 f Jeriah 18 m farmer (Looks more like Josiah) Eliza 15 f Milly 13 f Sarah 11 f Martha 9 f Luetta 7 f Amanda 1 f * I can't say where this is, but looks like my area of study, north of Mckenzie Alabama. Ancestry.com also has Jeriah listed as Josiah. Josiah Ellis Beat 8, Butler, AL abt 1832 So, Kichen Ellis was born abt 1800 in NC, Bought land near Concord cemetery January 01, 1822, there he lived next to Josiah Ellis born about the same time, and named a son Josiah Ellis. They may have been in the southern part of Conecuh,now Escambia county, Damascus, Elim church area on 1830 census. Elijah Hobbs and some of the Parkers migrated north to the southern part of Butler county. Elijah Hobbs by 1840, the Parkers by early 1860. Kichen and Josiah Ellis both moved to Butler county by 1840. Kichen Ellis may not have been down on Conecuh River. I don't know that. But land records & census look that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill King Charles L. "Doc" Lee Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: KINCHEN ELLIS and JOSIAH ELLIS in Conecuh County Wynell.... hope you can also use this. Questions: Would you have names of Josiah's children? Were Josiah & Kinchen brothers, and if so, who were their parents? Thanks, 'Doc Lee'!! This is a good addition!!! Bill King ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Lavon Lee To: Bill King Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: JOSIAH ELLIS Name: KINCHEN ELLIS Land Office: CAHABA Document Number: 442 Total Acres: 77 Signature: Yes Canceled Document: No Issue Date: January 01, 1822 Mineral Rights Reserved: No Metes and Bounds: No Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566 Multiple Warantee Names: No Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820 Multiple Patentee Names: No Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries Land Description: 1 E½SW ST STEPHENS No 8N 11E 25 Also 1 W½SE ST STEPHENS No 8N 11E 25, land adjoins. This is the land next to Concord Cemetery. Concord is at 8n 11e Sec 25 SWSW. Less than a mile from Butler county line. Name: JOSIAH ELLIS Land Office: CAHABA Document Number: 594 Total Acres: 80 Signature: Yes Canceled Document: No Issue Date: October 01, 1823 Mineral Rights Reserved: No Metes and Bounds: No Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566 Multiple Warantee Names: No Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820 Multiple Patentee Names: No Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries Land Description: 1 W½NW ST STEPHENS No 8N 11E 35 Abt one mile southwest of Concord Cemetery. 1-2 miles north of William Witherington's land Best Regards Charles L. Lee lavonlee@alaweb.com