TO: Doc Lee and other Ellis Researchers...... Here's my best guess on this Ellis group that got to Butler about 1820.... Just a guess, however! But because of the Josiah Ellis & John Witherington connection.... and their getting land together in Butler/Conecuh Counties (straddling Duck Creek), Josiah MUST definitely connect to Mary Ellis (wife of John Witherington) in some fashion.... probably a brother of Mary's. Also, I do not believe that Kinchen was the son of Josiah Ellis... as their dob's are too close together. I believe there is a strong possibility that Josiah, Joel , Kinchen and Mary were siblings. <Just a guess, and if not siblings, certainly cousins.> I do not have their "probable" father's name.... but three possibilities are: Ebenezer, Benjamin and William..... but really don't know...... --------- Try this with your logic....... Family of 'Unknown Father' Ellis & ??? 1 'Unknown Father' Ellis Born Unknown - <maybe Ebenezer?, maybeWilliam?, or maybe Benjamin?> Possible Childrenof "Unknown Father" Ellis: ..... 2 Josiah Ellis 1789/NC - After 1860 ......... +Lucy 'Unknown' Ellis 1796 - 1870 ..... 2 Joel Ellis about 1790/NC - Unknown ......... +Martha 'Unknown' 1799/NC or SC - Unknown ..... 2 Kinchen Ellis 1800/NC - 1860/TX .......... +Lucretia White 1805/NC - Unknown ..... 2 Mary Ellis 1801 OR 1806/NC - After 1860/AR ......... +John Witherington 1801/SC - 1855/AR <Mary Ellis & John Witherington were my 2nd Gr-Grandparents> NOTE ALSO: ...Ellis names in South ALABAMA by 1818, Alabama State Census Ebenezer* Mobile Territory, AL, Conecuh 1818<< Ellison AL (Cherokee Nation), no townplace listed 1819 James Madison Co, AL, AL territory 1812, 1816 Underhill Madison Co, Huntsville, 1819 William* Mobile Terr, AL, Conecuh 1818<< William* Monroe Co, AL, Miss. Terr. 1816<< William* Mobile Terr, AL, Conecuh 1818<< *For the record, Ebenezer was listed in Rev War, New Bern Dist, Craven Co, NC Ebenezer was on the 1820 Conecuh County census, along with others. SEE THIS CONECUH COUNTY DOCUMENT...... Deed of conveyance dated 2 Feb. 1827, mentioning Ebenezer Ellis giving 5 year old slave girl to John & Mary (Ellis) WITHERINGTON --------------------- STATE OF ALABAMA, CONECUH COUNTY Ebenezer Ellis to John and Mary (Ellis) Witherington, one Negro girl named Lew, about five years old. In presence of James Witherington and William Witherington. Dated: 1 Feb 1827 by Nathan Hawthorn, JP/ Recorded in my office in Book Marked "B". page 87 on 2nd Feb. 1827. James Sampey, Clerk; by W. R. Bohing, Deputy Clerk. NOTE: Above deed of conveyance was later filed in Calhoun County, AR on 12 July, 1855 by James H. Means, Clerk. It is very likely that the Negro slave girl, Lew, was still living with the family in Calhoun County in 1855, and Mary Ellis Witherington was re-establishing ownership of the slave girl in her individual name, following the death of husband John Witherington in April 1855. Would appreciate any thoughts and/or suggestions. BillKing@houston.rr.com _________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Lavon Lee To: Bill King ; Eugenia Ellis Brown Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: 1860 Butler, Josiah Ellis Precinct 1, Butler, AL 70 1789 North Carolina Male Josiah & William Ellis were about the same age. Kichen lived near Josiah over the years. Probably s/o Josiah Ellis. In that Joel Lee was from Smithfield NC, was about same age, got to Conecuh 1818, and Josiah Ellis got there 1822, that would be a good place to look for him! In that Josiah Ellis lived within a few miles of William Witherington, Got land with John Witherington, and never was more than 3-4 miles from Conecuh county, I would say there is a very good chance that he is related to the Ellis of Conecuh county. ******************* More notes ELLIS, JOSIAH AL Butler 7/28/1838 Cahaba 33916 AL1800__.055 NWNW 31/ 8-N 12-E No St Stephens AL Butler & Conecuh On Butler/Conecuh county line. Duck creek runs through it. most of land in Conecuh co. About 2 miles south of Concord Cem. ELLIS, KINCHEN AL Butler 7/28/1838 Cahaba 33157 SESE 6/ 7-N 12-E No St Stephens AL Butler & Conecuh Most of Section 6 was in Conecuh. Part of Kinchen Ellis's land was in Conecuh and part Butler. Duck Creek, the county line, ran through his land. This is about 5 miles SSE of Concord cem. Patentees: JOSIAH ELLIS, JOHN WITHERINGTON State: ALABAMA Acres: 164.7 SE 30/ 8-N 12-E No St Stephens AL Butler & Conecuh This land was in Butler county less than a mile from Duck Creek, the county line. This is near to 2 miles due east of Concord Cemetery. ELLIS, KINCHEN AL Butler 11/1/1858 Greenville E½NE 25/ 7-N 12-E No St Stephens AL Butler SWNE 25/ 7-N 12-E No St Stephens AL Butler Garland, just south of it. Where the rail line crosses Persimmon creek. They were building the rail line about 1858. Was completed 1860. HOBBS, ELIJAH AL Butler 7/28/1838 Cahaba NESE 14/ 7-N 12-E No St Stephens AL Butler about 1 mile north of Garland, Alabama. He is near Garland Cem. There is an Ellis in Garland cem., an old one. Elijah Hobbs had land record 1824 down on Conecuh River near Samuel Parker. Was only several names between them and Kichen Ellis. Cheryll and I have discussed this problem, and it might be the sparse population in 1830 Conecuh. He did live near Concord 1822, may have been down south Conecuh 1830, and was back 1838 along Duck creek. Probably moving 1858 (3 miles E) to Garland when the rail line came in. 1860 United States Federal Census > Josiah Ellis Precinct 1, Butler, AL 70 1789 North Carolina Male Lucy Ellis Precinct 1, Butler, AL 63 1796 South Carolina Female N Ellis Precinct 1, Butler, AL 26 1833 Alabama Male A J Ellis Precinct 1, Butler, AL 24 1835 Male 1870 Butler, Greenville Ellis, Lucy 65f SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill King" <BillKing@houston.rr.com> To: "Eugenia Ellis Brown" <debrown21@bellsouth.net> Cc: "Charlotte Ellis-Pate" <cpate1933@sbcglobal.net>; "Wynell Simpson" <wynells1@netzero.net>; "Cheryll Morris Sumner" <Irishsttr2@aol.com>; "Charles L. "Doc" Lee" <lavonlee@alaweb.com>; "Conecuh County Roots Web List" <ALCONECU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: KINCHEN ELLIS and JOSIAH ELLIS in Butler County - also mention of William ELLIS > EEB & Charlotte Pate, et al > see mention of WILLIAM ELLIS (1830 Census) shown below which indicated that he was old > enough to be the parent of Kinchen and Josiah Ellis. Could this possibly be YOUR > William > Ellis? > Could Mary Ellis have been a sister of Kinchin, Josiah.... and possibly Joel? > > Think about it. > Bill > > P.S. VERY GOOD info from 'Doc' Lee. Thanks, Doc!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Lavon Lee" <lavonlee@alaweb.com> > To: "Bill King" <BillKing@houston.rr.com> > Cc: "Cheryll Morris Sumner" <csumner1@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: KINCHEN ELLIS and JOSIAH ELLIS in Conecuh County > > > Mr King, > > Josiah Ellis bought land 1823 so was 21 by then. > Born before 1802. > The land adjoined Kitchen Ellis so was probably kin. > > 1830 United States Federal Census > Kinchin Ellis Not Stated, Conecuh, Alabama > Name: Ellis, Knchin > Township: Not Stated > County: Conecuh > State: Alabama > Year: 1830 > Roll: 3 > Page: 98 > 1m<5 > 1m 20-30 > 1f<5 > 1f 15-20 > > This is on same page as Samuel Parker. The Parkers were down on the Conecuh > River south of Damascus, (Now) Escambia county Al. The Church in the area > was Elim Church and old records of this church must exist as some one found > Samuel Parker listed there. > > I do not see Josiah listed in Alabama, but though you might be interested in > Joel Ellis listed in Butler county, given that land records on Butler county > line. > > Name: Ellis, Joel > Township: Not Stated > County: Butler > State: Alabama > Year: 1830 > Roll: 2 > Page: 302 > Joel Ellis was 30-40 with 4 boys 5<-20. > He is two houses from Philip Coleman who lived near Starlington. > This is around 10 miles from Concord Cem. > 1840 > Name: Josiah Ellis > Township: Not Stated > County: Butler > State: Alabama > Roll: 1 > Page: 158 > 1m<5 > 2m 5-10 > 1m 40-50 > 1f<5 > 1f 5-10 > 1f 10-15 > 1f 40-50 > near John Parker which may be one of the "Conecuh River" Parkers. > Not far from Philip Coleman 60-70. > 1840 > next page > Name: Kinchen Ellis > Township: Not Stated > County: Butler > State: Alabama > Roll: 1 > Page: 159 > 1m 5-10 > 1m 10-15 > 1m 30-40 > 2f<5 > 1f 10-15 > 1f 20-30 > > He lived only three hoses from William Ellis who is old enough to be his father. > 1830 Butler County, AL Census > William Ellis > 1m 5-10 > 1m 10-15 > 1m 40-50 > 1f 5-10 > > Elijah Hobbs who was also from Conecuh River around Damascus also shows a > few houses away. He had land south of Georgiana near rail line. > The Colemans lived here also, and later are listed in Armadilo precicnt which was near > Garland. > > 1850 Census > Name: Kinchen Ellis > Age: 50 > Estimated birth year: abt 1800 > Birth place: North Carolina > Gender: Male > Home in 1850 > (City,County,State): Beat 8, Butler, Alabama > Page: 233 > Roll: M432_2 > > # 813/813 Kinchen ELLIS 50 m farmer NC > Lucretia 45 f > John 20 m farmer AL > Mary 20 f > Jeriah 18 m farmer (Looks more like Josiah) > Eliza 15 f > Milly 13 f > Sarah 11 f > Martha 9 f > Luetta 7 f > Amanda 1 f > > * I can't say where this is, but looks like my area of study, north of > Mckenzie Alabama. > Ancestry.com also has Jeriah listed as Josiah. > Josiah Ellis Beat 8, Butler, AL abt 1832 > > So, Kichen Ellis was born abt 1800 in NC, > Bought land near Concord cemetery January 01, 1822, > there he lived next to Josiah Ellis born about the same > time, and named a son Josiah Ellis. > They may have been in the southern part of Conecuh,now Escambia county, > Damascus, Elim church area on 1830 census. Elijah Hobbs and some of the > Parkers migrated north to the southern part of Butler county. Elijah Hobbs > by 1840, the Parkers by early 1860. > > Kichen and Josiah Ellis both moved to Butler county by 1840. > Kichen Ellis may not have been down on Conecuh River. > I don't know that. But land records & census look that way. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill King > Charles L. "Doc" Lee > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:09 PM > Subject: KINCHEN ELLIS and JOSIAH ELLIS in Conecuh County > > Wynell.... hope you can also use this. > Questions: > Would you have names of Josiah's children? > Were Josiah & Kinchen brothers, and if so, who were their parents? > > Thanks, 'Doc Lee'!! This is a good addition!!! > > Bill King > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Lavon Lee > To: Bill King > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:48 PM > Subject: JOSIAH ELLIS > > > Name: KINCHEN ELLIS > Land Office: CAHABA > Document Number: 442 > Total Acres: 77 > Signature: Yes > Canceled Document: No > Issue Date: January 01, 1822 > Mineral Rights Reserved: No > Metes and Bounds: No > Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566 > Multiple Warantee Names: No > Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820 > Multiple Patentee Names: No > Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries > Land Description: 1 E½SW ST STEPHENS No 8N 11E 25 > Also 1 W½SE ST STEPHENS No 8N 11E 25, land adjoins. > This is the land next to Concord Cemetery. Concord is at 8n 11e Sec 25 SWSW. > Less than a mile from Butler county line. > > > Name: JOSIAH ELLIS > Land Office: CAHABA > Document Number: 594 > Total Acres: 80 > Signature: Yes > Canceled Document: No > Issue Date: October 01, 1823 > Mineral Rights Reserved: No > Metes and Bounds: No > Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566 > Multiple Warantee Names: No > Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820 > Multiple Patentee Names: No > Entry Classification: Sale-Cash Entries > Land Description: 1 W½NW ST STEPHENS No 8N 11E 35 > Abt one mile southwest of Concord Cemetery. > 1-2 miles north of William Witherington's land > > Best Regards > Charles L. Lee > lavonlee@alaweb.com > >