Shelby, Regarding your question about John Warr and Alice Stokes' marriage date vs. Mary's death date. John and Alice's marriage is not in dispute. You have the marriage record which is a primary source. In addition, John T. Warr, born in Alabama in May 1847, wife Alice O. (sic) age 30, and six children; Mattie born June 1881, Lulu (sic) born June 1884, Rosa born August 1889, Warren J., Jacob O. born June 1893, and Walker A. born August 1895 lived at Piney Grove, Geneva County, Alabama on June 9, 1900 when the census was taken. John and Alice had been married 10 years. Therefore, we have two primary sources that agree, the marriage record and the 1900 census. The 1900 census indicated that Alice had given birth to five children, three of whom were living in 1900. Mattie, Lula, and Rosa were John and Mary's children. Warren, Jacob, and Walker were John and Alice's sons. Alice had two deceased children. Since she was 20 years of age when she married John, one must assume that the two deceased children were from John and Alice's union. Felice Ophelia "Celia," whose birthdate causes part of the mystery, was not in the home. Mary's death date is based on a hand-carved marker, that could have been produced after her death . . . even years after her death . . . and a well-meaning person could have made a mistake. A cemetery marker is not always a reliable, primary source. Consider this . . . suppose Mary died after the birth of Rosa in August 1889. It was not unusual in those days for an older man with children, particularly infant children, to remarry quickly to a much younger woman who could care for the children. Carrying this thought further, perhaps John remarried to Alice within a month after Mary's death. Could it be that "Celia" was the first child of John and Alice (born eight months after their marriage) instead of the last child of John and Mary? Celia, who was not on the census in John's home in 1900, would have been about nineteen years old at the time - but could have been married to Polk Akison (Atkinson), as some researchers contend - although I did not find them on the census that year or thereafter. Since Celia was born in 1890, there is no 1890 census, and she was not on the 1900 census with John's family; and could not be located subsequently, what is the proof that she belongs to John's family? Where was she in 1900? Is she the same person who actually married Polk Adkinson or is she one of the deceased children indicated on the 1900 census? Jerry