Jerry, thank you again for your input on the Warr/Stokes mystery. Here's a few more things to ponder: I've been going back over my records and found some information that I got from a daughter of Warren Warr (John and Alice's first child). She said that she was told that her grandmother Alice and John got together just 2 or 3 days after Mary Ann died and that "on the streets of Samson, there was a woman talking about how soon they got married and her husband told her that he didn't want to hear about it, that Alice went in there and took care of those children". Alice and John had about 6 children, Warren, Jake and Walker, a son named Joseph that died when he was about 3 or 4 years old and 2 babies that died as infants, those infants may have died because Alice thought she may have rolled over on them in bed and they were smothered. I also talked to one of Felie's sons today and he said that he was told that Mary Ann died about 10 days after Felie was born. In 1900 Felie is living with Angus Harrison and Frances "Tang" Thomas Harrison ("Tang" was Mary Ann's sister) in Peacock, Coffee Co., AL. She is listed as a 10 year old and her birth date is listed as April 1890. She is listed as their daughter but according to all the people, relatives and researchers, that I have talked to she was actually their niece and they were raising her as a daughter. I do not believe that "Felie" was a daughter of Alice. Alice's first child was Warren J. Warr, born 06 Jun 1891 (according to his WW1 draft registration). That was just 9 months after Alice and John married. Felie married James Poke Adkison on 09 Sep 1909 in Coffee Co., AL. The 1910 Peacock, Coffee Co., AL census (census taken on 22 Apr 1910) lists Poke Adkison, age 21 - wife Felie, age 22 and son John, age 5 months. This census would lead one to believe that Felie was born in 1888 and that Poke was born in 1889. Poke was actually born 30 Jan 1891. So, we can assume that the ages are 2 years off on both of them, Poke was actually 19 and Felie was 20. The 1920 Peacock, Coffee Co., AL census (census taken on 20 Jan 1920) lists Poke Adkison age 29, wife Felie age 33, son John D. age 10, daughter Cola Mae age 5, son William D. age 3, daughter Mary Ethel age 2 months. This census would lead one to believe that Poke was born in 1891 (which he was) and Felie would have been born in 1887. I don't have access to Ancestry.com to look for them on the 1930 census. I think they were living in the Curtis area of Coffee County. (Can anyone help with this?)They moved to Opp, Covington County, in the early 1930's when Poke got a job in the cotton mill there. It would be interesting to know what age Felie was on that census. I think Felie died about 1968. Poke died June 1981 (per SSDI) and they are both buried in Peaceful Acres Cemetery in Opp, Covington Co., AL. And so the story goes................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavista" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: [ALCOFFEE] Warr/Stokes for Shelby Shelby, Regarding your question about John Warr and Alice Stokes' marriage date vs. Mary's death date. John and Alice's marriage is not in dispute. You have the marriage record which is a primary source. In addition, John T. Warr, born in Alabama in May 1847, wife Alice O. (sic) age 30, and six children; Mattie born June 1881, Lulu (sic) born June 1884, Rosa born August 1889, Warren J., Jacob O. born June 1893, and Walker A. born August 1895 lived at Piney Grove, Geneva County, Alabama on June 9, 1900 when the census was taken. John and Alice had been married 10 years. Therefore, we have two primary sources that agree, the marriage record and the 1900 census. The 1900 census indicated that Alice had given birth to five children, three of whom were living in 1900. Mattie, Lula, and Rosa were John and Mary's children. Warren, Jacob, and Walker were John and Alice's sons. Alice had two deceased children. Since she was 20 years of age when she married John, one must assume that the two deceased children were from John and Alice's union. Felice Ophelia "Celia," whose birthdate causes part of the mystery, was not in the home. Mary's death date is based on a hand-carved marker, that could have been produced after her death . . . even years after her death . . . and a well-meaning person could have made a mistake. A cemetery marker is not always a reliable, primary source. Consider this . . . suppose Mary died after the birth of Rosa in August 1889. It was not unusual in those days for an older man with children, particularly infant children, to remarry quickly to a much younger woman who could care for the children. Carrying this thought further, perhaps John remarried to Alice within a month after Mary's death. Could it be that "Celia" was the first child of John and Alice (born eight months after their marriage) instead of the last child of John and Mary? Celia, who was not on the census in John's home in 1900, would have been about nineteen years old at the time - but could have been married to Polk Akison (Atkinson), as some researchers contend - although I did not find them on the census that year or thereafter. Since Celia was born in 1890, there is no 1890 census, and she was not on the 1900 census with John's family; and could not be located subsequently, what is the proof that she belongs to John's family? Where was she in 1900? Is she the same person who actually married Polk Adkinson or is she one of the deceased children indicated on the 1900 census? Jerry