In a message dated 3/31/2005 3:41:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Where may I find a list of burials at Keyton Cemetery out of Enterprise? There is only one name listed on find a grave Morgan, Pvt James J. b. 1822 d. 1898 I do not have the cemetery book for Coffee Co., wish i could help you Here is the link for find a Grave , it can also be found on the Coffee Co., page . _http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=csr&CScnty=41_ (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=csr&CScnty=41) Link to Coffee Co., Al. site _http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee/) Good luck Christine Grimes Thacker Genealogy: Collecting dead relatives and sometimes a live cousin! Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

Where may I find a list of burials at Keyton Cemetery out of Enterprise? Thanks.

Do not know where the Cem. is located but on Find A Grave for Coffee Co., there is a Cool Springs Cem. listed with 5 names posted. _http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GScid=22250&GRid=5102096&CRi d=22250&pt=Roy+L.+Crutchfield_ (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GScid=22250&GRid=5102096&CRid=22250&pt=Roy+L.+Crutchfield) & Crutchfield, Elean W. Whitehead b. Oct. 28, 1916 d. May. 19, 1997 Cool Springs Cemetery Coffee County Alabama, USA Crutchfield, Roy L. b. Feb. 12, 1917 d. Oct. 8, 1993 Cool Springs Cemetery Coffee County Alabama, USA Jackson, Pvt John C. b. 1823 d. 1899 Cool Springs Cemetery Coffee County Alabama, USA Smith, Pvt J. W. b. 1844 d. 1914 Cool Springs Cemetery Coffee County Alabama, USA Wilson, Pvt J. W. b. 1843 d. 1897 Can any one give me easy directions from Ozark to the Old Tabernacle Cemetery, located in Coffee Co., i think it is somewhere near where HawRidge use to be? Some of the Hildreth family is buried there, and Wm J. McKinney d ca 1916 CW vet from Rockyhead is also buried there. Thanks for any info on this . <<In a message dated 3/31/2005 10:12:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: A lady just inquired of me as to the location of Cool Springs Cemetery. I found a list showing CSC in Coffee, Covington and Crenshaw counties. Can anyone give me directions to each or any of these locations, please? Particularly the Coffee County location. Thank you kindly.>> Christine Grimes Thacker Genealogy: Collecting dead relatives and sometimes a live cousin! Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

A lady just inquired of me as to the location of Cool Springs Cemetery. I found a list showing CSC in Coffee, Covington and Crenshaw counties. Can anyone give me directions to each or any of these locations, please? Particularly the Coffee County location. Thank you kindly. Phyllis J. K. Owens Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Dark Hershey's Chocolate Bar, chocolate-peanut clusters, and Hershey's kisses in one hand, Pepsi, moon pies, peanut butter and all the Beich banana kisses one can hold in the other hand, chewing Wrigley's Juicy Fruit gum, body throughly worn out and screaming happily "WooHooo! What a ride!! Yeah!! Yeeeehaaaa!!"

Amen to that. marlin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] KETTNER > Sorry No > > > > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there > isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is. > > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Sorry No I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

Would there be anyone by the name KETTNER buried in the Antioch Cemetery? The death/s would have been between the years 1860-1880. Retreva

Has any one did a book on Evergreen Cemetery?Joyce that would be a good project for you.You do such a great job. Debra Maddox Wilson Greenback,Tn

In a message dated 3/25/2005 6:40:25 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone on this list have a listing for the Antioch cemetery in northwest corner of Coffee and near Crenshaw county? I am looking for the surname Cadenhead and Sanders Joyce Morgan English In the book "Coffee County AlabamaCemetery Records" is listed in Antioch Cemetery: Cadenhead, Sarah 08 Jan 1819-08 Oct 1899 "A Kind Mother". No listing for Sanders. But that cemetery was done in March 1967.

Thanks to all for the info ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] Antioch Cemetery > > In a message dated 3/25/2005 6:40:25 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Does anyone on this list have a listing for the Antioch cemetery in > northwest corner of Coffee and near Crenshaw county? I am looking for the surname > Cadenhead and Sanders > > > Joyce Morgan English > > > > In the book "Coffee County AlabamaCemetery Records" is listed in Antioch > Cemetery: > Cadenhead, Sarah 08 Jan 1819-08 Oct 1899 "A Kind Mother". > No listing for Sanders. But that cemetery was done in March 1967. > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Thanks Debra I am glad you like my work,but I have my hands full here in Crenshaw County. Joyce Morgan English Crenshaw County Alabama Website http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/River/1757/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: [ALCOFFEE] Evergreen Cemetery > Has any one did a book on Evergreen Cemetery?Joyce that would be a good > project for you.You do such a great job. > > Debra Maddox Wilson > Greenback,Tn > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Coffee County, Alabama,Cemetery Records, compiled by E. Howard Hayes, 1969- reprint 1998: Cadenhead, Sarah, 8 Jan. 1819-8 Oct 1899 "...........A Kind Mother........" No Sanders names listed in Antioch. Hope this helps. Ann V. Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: [ALCOFFEE] Antioch Cemetery Does anyone on this list have a listing for the Antioch cemetery in northwest corner of Coffee and near Crenshaw county? I am looking for the surname Cadenhead and Sanders Joyce Morgan English ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Does anyone on this list have a listing for the Antioch cemetery in northwest corner of Coffee and near Crenshaw county? I am looking for the surname Cadenhead and Sanders Joyce Morgan English

I have nothing on the CCAP site about minutes of government. Phyllis J. K. Owens Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Dark Hershey's Chocolate Bar, chocolate-peanut clusters, and Hershey's kisses in one hand, Pepsi, moon pies, peanut butter and all the Beich banana kisses one can hold in the other hand, chewing Wrigley's Juicy Fruit gum, body throughly worn out and screaming happily "WooHooo! What a ride!! Yeah!! Yeeeehaaaa!!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Copes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > David, Almshouse is probable. I've found that term in Neshoba, > Mississippi county records with names, dates, and costs. Phyllis, are the > minutes for Coffee County government meetings in 1920's available? > > Nancy Copes (great granddaughter of Noah Bowden) > > "David W. Dorsey" <[email protected]> wrote: > Phyllis, > > Could this possibly be "Almshouse", another term for "poorhouse"? > > Lee County had a "County Farm" or "Poor Farm" to provide a home and care > for > those unable to care for themselves because of poor health or financial > reasons. > > Hope this helps. > > Best wishes, > David > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phyllis Jeannae Kwanja Owens" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:39 AM > Subject: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > > >>I received the following today and wonder if anyone knows the answer to >>this query, please..... >> >> Phyllis, >> >> I found a person who died in Coffee County, Alabama in October 1927. The >> death certificate that I obtained had the following handwritten across >> the >> face of it. "Inmate of County Almas (sic hard to read) House, Coffee >> County, Alabama." >> >> The death certificate indicated that he died of Pellagra a disease, I >> learned, that occurs when a person does not get enough niacin, one of the >> B complex vitamins, or tryptophan (an amino acid) in their diet. It may >> develop after gastrointestinal diseases or alcoholism. >> >> Because of the nature of death and the "inmate" entry, I wondered if you >> have heard of any institution in the 1920's in Coffee County with a name >> similar to this and what the function of the house was? >> >> Jerry >> >> Phyllis J. K. Owens >> >> Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving >> safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in >> sideways, Dark Hershey's Chocolate Bar, chocolate-peanut clusters, and >> Hershey's kisses in one hand, Pepsi, moon pies, peanut butter and all the >> Beich banana kisses one can hold in the other hand, chewing Wrigley's >> Juicy Fruit gum, body throughly worn out and screaming happily "WooHooo! >> What a ride!! Yeah!! Yeeeehaaaa!!" >> >> >> ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== >> Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee >> County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. >> Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project >> website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical >> and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs >> Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 >> to >> PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society >> at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the >> seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. >> Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee > County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. > Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project > website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical > and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to > PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society > at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the > seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. > Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee > County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. > Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project > website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical > and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to > PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society > at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the > seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. > Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

I would like to have a copy. My email address is [email protected] Thanks

If you have the list, I would like to read it. Thanks

I would like to have a copy also. Thanks so much, Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patsy McCoy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > Hi: > I don't use Ancestry so I am not sure, What it says at top of page is Series > T625 Roll 8 Page 11 > Patsy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Anderson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > > > > What page of the Ancestry census is it on? > > KA > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/2005 > > > > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee > > County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. > > Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project > > website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical > > and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to > > PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society > > at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the > > seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. > > Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_Part_d46beea1$53e0$4de0$805c$4d3ac81a3b54 Content-Type: text/plain I would like to have a copy of it. Thank you. Kathlyn Folmar ----- Original Message ----- Outgoing mail is Virus Scanned byNorman Data Defense. Inbound Spam reduced 98.2% byVircom Sieve. --=_Part_d46beea1$53e0$4de0$805c$4d3ac81a3b54 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Patsy McCoy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > Hi List > Yes this is the Almshouse (poorhouse) in the 1920 census there are only 10 > folks listed if anyone one this list needs a copy of the census let me know > and I will send it to you direct. The program I use won't let me post the > original census to the list, so maybe when I have some time I will post it > to the list. > Patsy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Dorsey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > > > > Phyllis, > > > > Could this possibly be "Almshouse", another term for "poorhouse"? > > > > Lee County had a "County Farm" or "Poor Farm" to provide a home and care > > for those unable to care for themselves because of poor health or > > financial reasons. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > David > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phyllis Jeannae Kwanja Owens" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:39 AM > > Subject: [ALCOFFEE] Anyone know answer??? > > > > > >>I received the following today and wonder if anyone knows the answer to > >>this query, please..... > >> > >> Phyllis, > >> > >> I found a person who died in Coffee County, Alabama in October 1927. The > >> death certificate that I obtained had the following handwritten across > >> the face of it. "Inmate of County Almas (sic hard to read) House, > >> Coffee County, Alabama." > >> > >> The death certificate indicated that he died of Pellagra a disease, I > >> learned, that occurs when a person does not get enough niacin, one of the > >> B complex vitamins, or tryptophan (an amino acid) in their diet. It may > >> develop after gastrointestinal diseases or alcoholism. > >> > >> Because of the nature of death and the "inmate" entry, I wondered if you > >> have heard of any institution in the 1920's in Coffee County with a name > >> similar to this and what the function of the house was? > >> > >> Jerry > >> > >> Phyllis J. K. Owens > >> > >> Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > >> safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in > >> sideways, Dark Hershey's Chocolate Bar, chocolate-peanut clusters, and > >> Hershey's kisses in one hand, Pepsi, moon pies, peanut butter and all > >> the Beich banana kisses one can hold in the other hand, chewing Wrigley's > >> Juicy Fruit gum, body throughly worn out and screaming happily "WooHooo! > >> What a ride!! Yeah!! Yeeeehaaaa!!" > >> > >> > >> ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > >> Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee > >> County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. > >> Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project > >> website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical > >> and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > >> Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 > >> to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the > >> Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will > >> receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid > >> membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > >> > >> ============================== > >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee > > County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. > > Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project > > website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical > > and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to > > PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society > > at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the > > seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. > > Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== ALCOFFEE Mailing List ==== > Come visit with us to research and know our people and history of Coffee County, Alabama.....you will find us downhome and most friendly here. Also, while online, please visit the Coffee County ALGenWeb Project website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alcoffee and the Pea River Historical and Genealogical Society at http://www.rootsweb.com/~alprhgs > Please support our PRH&GS with your annual membership by submitting $15 to PRH&GS, P.O. BOX 310628, Enterprise, AL 36331-0628, or visit the Society at 108 South Main Street, Enterprise, Alabama 36330. You will receive the seasonal copies of Pea River Trails magazine with your paid membership. Good luck in your search....and happy hunting. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Thank you Patsy, I would love to have the 1920 Almshouse Census. Winn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/05

Hi List The 1930 Pike County Alms House Census can be seen here http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/al/pike/census.htm If anyone has time to post the 1920 to the Coffee site please do I am very busy right just post to the list when you do. Patsy