To unsubscribe you send mail to the listserve admin at rootsweb, not an individual member of the group. I have copied and included below the unsubscribed directions. "Administrivia: To unsubscribe from ALCLARKE-D, send a message to ALCLARKE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too." --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: chc@zebra.net To: Cassandra Davis <c.davis1@juno.com> Subject: please remove me from from your list Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:20:20 US/Central Message-ID: <200103281821.f2SILbo17712@smtp2.zebra.net> > When did Choctaw Corner cease to exist as a city? > > I know Thomasville became a city in 1889. I know > that Choctaw Corner and Thomasville co-existed > for some time. But when did Choctaw Corner stopped > to be a city and become a spot? When was it then > incorporated into the city of Thomasville? Or is it in > the Thomasville township or post office, but not part > of the city of Thomasville proper? > > Does anyone know of a map of the Choctaw Corner > town? How large was it? > > I am amazed how a city can disappear. When I was saw > the area, I did not see the remains of a city, let lone a > major center of business. Perhaps I am not looking in > the right spot and it was off the road more. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > --------- End forwarded message ---------- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

When did Choctaw Corner cease to exist as a city? I know Thomasville became a city in 1889. I know that Choctaw Corner and Thomasville co-existed for some time. But when did Choctaw Corner stopped to be a city and become a spot? When was it then incorporated into the city of Thomasville? Or is it in the Thomasville township or post office, but not part of the city of Thomasville proper? Does anyone know of a map of the Choctaw Corner town? How large was it? I am amazed how a city can disappear. When I was saw the area, I did not see the remains of a city, let lone a major center of business. Perhaps I am not looking in the right spot and it was off the road more. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Does anyone know of the Horse Creek Church and the Bettis Methodist Church? They churches were active up to at least the early 1900's. I have found references to them in documentation. However, I do not know where they were, except maybe somewhere in the border area of what is now northwest Clarke and southwest Marengo counties. They may or may not be standing structures. They may grown over and/or off a main road. Thanks ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Does anyone know when the Clarke County Heritage Book is being mailed? Karen Beck igotav8@aol.com

Oops! Mea Culpa, for sure! ----- Original Message ----- From: MBrande315@aol.com To: rconnell@cfl.rr.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Grove Hill Academy I'm sure that a new Grove Hill Academy was just built on the north side of Grove Hill. Dont know if it has anything to do with school of the time you are talking about. I know there is one there. I saw it yesterday.

I don't think the Grove Hill Academy still exists. But it is written about in "Clarke County Alabama and Its Surroundings", by Rev. T. H. Ball. Grove Hill, AL, 1882. Reprinted by Clarke Co. Historical Society, 1978. He says the Academy opened in 1836 and that he was the principal from 1851 to 1853, then from 1854 to 1855. John C. Foster is listed as principal from 1857 to 1859, as you say. There isn't too much about the academy in the book, but I believe several FOSTERS were mentioned. It's worth a look. Anne C. ----- Original Message ----- > > Did anyone answer this email? I am interested, > too. > > Patti > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Could someone please send me the address of Grove Hill Academy? I recently > found that my great-grandfather, Rev. John C. Foster was principal there > from 1857-59. I would like to write them to see if they have any information. > >Thank you, > >Anne Harper

Did anyone answer this email? I am interested, too. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ALCLARKE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 3/24/2001 1:41:11 AM Subject: Grove Hill Academy Could someone please send me the address of Grove Hill Academy? I recently found that my great-grandfather, Rev. John C. Foster was principal there from 1857-59. I would like to write them to see if they have any information. Thank you, Anne Harper AHarper276@aol.com --- levar@earthlink.net

Could someone please send me the address of Grove Hill Academy? I recently found that my great-grandfather, Rev. John C. Foster was principal there from 1857-59. I would like to write them to see if they have any information. Thank you, Anne Harper AHarper276@aol.com

My grandfather's younger brother, Albert Sidney Davis, was born in Milam County, TX in 1881. In the 1900 census, he is shown as living in Clarke County with his aunt and uncle, Alexander Harvey Grayson (his mother's younger brother) and Caroline Emily Deborah Davis Grayson (his father's youngest sister) and with his grandmother, Melissa Cliff Finch Davis. He died in Birmingham, AL in 1927. I find no record of him in between his birth and the 1900 census. His father and his brothers moved on to Bell County, TX by 1886; I also find no record of his mother after his birth. I am wondering whether his mother may perhaps have died during his early childhood and he was taken back to Alabama to live with family. Might there be school records existent from that era which might show whether he was actually in Clarke County at any point between, say, 1886 and 1900? Nancy Davis Harwood Houston, TX

FOREST SPRINGS BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY (PARTIAL LISTING) MORVIN, CLARKE COUNTY, ALABAMA (Based on March 16, 2001 visit to cemetery) Andrew Jackson (John?) Smith, b. 9/4/1835, d. 7/18/1920, Co. B 22 Regt AL Inf CSA Martha Jane McClenton Smith, no dates, wife of Andrew John Smith Walter L. Holtam, b. 11/27/1888, d. 7/17/1969, AL PFC HQ Co 10 Field Arty WWI Nece Holtam, b. 12/24/1887, d. 10/22/1978 Nettie P. Holtam, b. 1/21/1893, d. 3/14/1987 Pleas A. Holtam, b. 9/14/1891, d. 12/10/1972 Pvt 1 Cl Co D 322 Inf Annie E. Holtam, b. 10/27/1867, d. 7/14/1947 (MAMA) Ira B. Holtam, b. 9/4/1864, d. 7/30/1952 (PAPA) Leon Bley Holtam, b. 9/26/1902, d. 11/24/1918 Infant of I. B. & A. E. Holtam, 2/3/1900 Ira Clinton Holtam, b. 6/18/1896, d. 12/15/1896 Norman S. Holtam, b. 12/8/1904, d. 2/17/1996 (Dick) Elma Gray Holtam, b. 3/11/1910, d. 1/23/1998 Pleas Crenshaw, b. 6/4/1838 - d. 5/7/1904 (Pleasant) Susan Crenshaw, b. 3/12/1837, d. 1/20/1909 Emmit - Son of Pleasant & Susan Crenshaw, b. 11/30/1822, d. 8/18/1828 Kate P. - Wife of John M. Crenshaw, b. 7/29/1878, d. 7/16/1962 John M. Crenshaw, b. 4/15/1871, d. 1/12/1909 James F. Singleton, b. 8/18/1847, d. 1/21/1918 (CSA marker) Rebecca Ann Singleton, b. 5/13/1844, d. 6/13/1913, wife of James F., maiden was McClinton Sarah N. - Daughter of J. F. & R. A. Singleton, b. 3/13/1879, d. 10/15/1880 Mary Rebecca Bates Campbell, b. 11/14/1925, d. 5/8/1995 (Mother) Lucy Kate Pope, b. 1/13/1904, d. 2/22/1993 George L. Pope, b. 11/24/1899, d. 6/17/1979 James Jean Hezekiah Singleton, b. 12/30/1888, d. 1891 Drury Alexander Singleton, b. 1849 - d. 01/1892 Louise Evins Singleton, b. 9/11/1852, d. 2/18/1938 Weldon E. Etheredge, b. 2/2/1915, d. 12/4/1944 Myrtie Inell Etheredge, b. 1/5/1906, d. 9/18/1990 John B. Little, b. 4/17/1901, d. 3/3/1969 Erie B. Little, b. 10/1/1910, d. 9/2/1970 Mary J. Little, b. 1885, d. 1960 William D. Little, b. 1878, d. 1963 Ellis Coleman Little, b. 2/1/1914, d. 1/15/1984 (Father) Jewel M. Parten Little, b. 11/3/1918, (Mother) Martha Joanne Little Coe, b. 12/12/1939, d. 10/3/1983 J. D. Little, b. 9/6/1859, d. 1/1/1934 D. F. Little, b. 7/2/1856, d. 9/19/1932 Sitha Digmon Little, b. 2/14/1855, d. 9/18/1930 William Aden Little, b. 9/5/1846, d. 11/4/1900 Nancy - Wife of William Singleton, b. 2/9/1826, d. 7/12/1902 Jess Davis, b. 12/6/1907, d. 4/16/1967 William McKinney Davis, b. 11/19/1884, d. 8/13/1953 (IV) FOREST SPRINGS BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY (PARTIAL LISTING) MORVIN, CLARKE COUNTY, ALABAMA (Based on March 16, 2001 visit to cemetery) Kitty Davis, b. 9/27/1887, d. 2/18/1956 Alfred V. Davis, b. 6/19/1906, d. 8/13/1921 Bernard J. Davis, b. 8/31/1912, d. 7/31/1925 Some other Singleton's where I didn't record the birth/death dates. B. G. Singleton Ellen C. Singleton Mable Singleton Marie Singleton W. L. (Fate) Singleton Daisy Singleton John H. Singleton Some of the other last names in this cemetery. McNider Armistead Whitcomb Downey Lambert Laker Ray Corley Bettis Anderson Gray Smith Reid Carter This is not represented to be a complete list of all of the graves for any one of the last names buried at this cemetery nor is it a complete list of all of the different last names buried at this cemetery. There are many more burials at this cemetery than the small number shown in this partial listing.

PINE CREST CEMETERY (PARTIAL LISTING) JACKSON, CLARKE COUNTY, ALABAMA (Based on September 30, 2000 visit to cemetery) Clifton McClinton, b. 11/18/1893, d. 2/5/1985 Pearl S. McClinton, b. 7/19/1896, d. 10/21/1986 (wife of Clifton, S. stands for Sybil, maiden was Chastain) Wanda Juarine McClinton, b. 5/8/1922, d. 7/2/1923 (infant daughter of Clifton & Pearl) Louis Ray McClinton, b. 11/10/1943, d. 11/13/1943 (son of W. R. & Gen) Benny Ray McClinton, b. 3/3/1927, d. 2/16/1993 (son of Clifton & Pearl) Horrie Bettis Williams, b. 8/25/1884, d. 5/23/1963 Bama Chastain Williams, b. 2/12/1892, d. 10/11/1984 (sister of Pearl S. McClinton) Infant daughter of Bettis & Bama Williams, 12/29/1919 Horrie Bettis Williams, Jr., b. 2/3/1922, 6/12/1924 J. Wheeler Chastain, b. 1899, d. 1980 (J. stands for Joseph?, brother of Pearl S. McClinton) Ada Downey Chastain, b. 1903, d. 1993 (wife of J. Wheeler) Infant son of J. W. & Ada Chastain) 3/21/1923 Don Tilden Chastain, b. 8/17/1926, d. 12/12/1927 Infant - James Wheeler Chastain, 6/20/1964 E. A. Chastain, b. 6/13/1856, d. 11/26/1927 (E. stands for Elliott?) Clara McDonald Chastain, b. 7/17/1872, d. 9/28/1934 (wife of E. A.) Alonza Wing Chastain, b. 11/26/1899, d. 3/28/1974 Marie Chastain, b. 12/23/1906, d. 2/2/1983 (wife of Alonza Wing) D. L. Chastain, b. 3/31/1894, d. 2/21/1956 ("Doc", brother of Pearl S. McClinton) Cora Downey Chastain, b. 3/27/1898, d. 2/21/1968 (wife of D. L.) Delmar Faile Chastain, b. 2/8/1923, d. 9/12/1998 Sara Beverly Chastain, b. 7/22/1923, d. 5/3/1989 (wife of Delmar Faile) Joseph A. Stanley, b. 12/14/1916, d. 1/7/1984 Merle Stanley, b. 10/28/1919, d. 12/20/1993 (wife of Joseph A., maiden was Chastain) Willie Robertson Chastain, b. 5/25/1931, d. 4/17/1987 Elbert Bruce Gwin, b. 12/1/1879, d. 5/19/1956 Josie Chastain Gwin, b. 3/11/1888, d. 11/1/1976 (wife of Elbert Bruce) Elbert Dale Gwin, b. 5/27/1914, d. 12/21/1944 (1st Lt. U.S. Army, 10th Armored Division, killed in Luxembourg during the Battle of the Bulge) Thomas G. Gwin, Sr., b. 12/14/1910, d. 11/7/1978 Mary Sue Mason Gwin, b. 11/21/1918, d. 9/13/1984 (wife of Thomas G. Sr.) Mason Elbert Gwin, b. 9/16/1941, d. 5/6/1992 Joe A. McClinton, b. 11/21/1914, d. 1/23/1962 (A. stands for Armistead?, son of Clifton & Pearl) Eugenie McClinton, b. 11/25/1918, d. 12/21/1993 (wife of Harvey, maiden was Austin) Hugh Eugene McClinton, b. 11/19/1951, d. 3/17/1951 (son of Harvey & Eugenie) This is not represented to be a complete list of all of the graves for any one of the last names buried at this cemetery nor is it a complete list of all of the different last names buried at this cemetery. There are many more burials at this cemetery than the small number shown in this partial listing.

Just a note to let you know that the transcripts for this week's Alabama Genealogy Chat are up and can be found here: http://huntsville.about.com/library/blal031901.htm If you'd like to be sent reminders for future chats and transcripts (covering the whole state), just let me know. Jean Brandau huntsville2@home.com

Thanks to everyone who replied. It all was a great help. I truly appreciate the explantions. Here are some items I recieved. ------------------------------------- A section is 640 acres or a square with 80 acres on a side. This would also be a square mile. The description is shown below: _________________________________ | | | | | | | NE Π| NW Π| | | | | | | | |________|________| | | | | | NW Π| NE Π| |_________________|________________| | | | | | | | Section 10 | | | | | |_________________________________| Township and Range are just divisions of property (larger) and would show on any property map. Hope this helps. Jess Bettis Austin, Texas ---------------------------------------------------- I have a map of Clark County, AL which shows the ranges and townships, but I am sorry to say that I do not have one for Marengo County. I can tell you that the land you are looking for is in Marengo County and should be around 3 miles north of the county line and near Nicholsville. Richard ---------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell and Jean Tucker" <dnjtucker@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:39:46 -0600 Subject: Re: ? Township 12 ? Go to the courthose and ask for a county map. For a couple of $ they will seel you one. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Cassandra, I just realized that I had forgotten to answer one part of your question. >Where do you find out township numbers >and then the sections of a township? Some maps list the township and range numbers. I have a map of Choctaw Co. AL (one of my research areas) that I picked up in a gas station/convenience store on my of my trips to AL to visit family. It doesn't list the township/range numbers, but it does number the sections (1 - 36) and identifies each township block with a number like A1, B1, A2, etc. With information that another researcher sent me, I was able to label my map with the correct township/range numbers. She also gave me an address for ordering maps. I have not ordered from them, but I will list the address in case you are interested. Alabama Dept. of Transportation Equipment Bureau 1409 Coliseum Blvd. Rm. R-109 Montgomery, AL 36130 Attn. Map Sales

Hello Cassandra (and other Clarke Co. folks who might be interested)! You said, >I have been looking at real estate sales. I am lost. >This is a how property is referenced. >"northwest quarter of northeast quarter and >northeast quartern of northwest quarter of >section 10 Township 12 Range 2 East >containing 80 acres or less" Another researcher and I were discussing land records recently and I was asking some of the same questions you are asking. Here are some of the things I learned. The way I understand it, a township is a square that measures six miles on each side. Each township is divided into equal sections numbered 1 through 36. Beginning at the top right corner count six squares left, then for the next row begining at the left, count squares 7 thru 12 from left to right, etc (a zig-zag pattern). Each section is 640 acres. For the "northwest quarter..." stuff (it's really called the Aliquot Part), imagine a section divided into four parts, labeled northwest, northeast, southwest and southeast. Each of those parts can be further divided into four more parts (approx. 40 acres each) called the northwest corner of the northwest square (NW of NW or even NW/4 of the NW/4), northwest corner of northwest square (NE of NW), southwest corner of the northwest square (SW of NW), etc. The best way to see it might be to draw a diagram -- at least it helped me visualize it. OK, the next part would be how to locate a particular Township and Range. To pinpoint it exactly, you need to know what the "principle meridian" for the township and range you are referring to. There are a several meridian points that are used, but if the land records you are looking at are for Clarke County, AL, I would guess that it would be the St. Stephens Meridian. The townships are identified as north or south of a horizontal line running through the meridian (St. Stephens.) The ranges are identified as east or west of a vertical line running through the meridian. Based on the info in your message, "section 10 Township 12 Range 2 East" I would guess that the land listed is near the Clarke Co and Marengo Co. line, possibly near Nicholsville in Marengo Co. I don't have a map of those counties that shows the township and ranges, but that would be my guess. The Aliquot Parts you list would be two parts at the top and center of a section of 16 parts. A good place to look at land records is: www.glorecords.blm.gov I haven't read their explanation of land records, but it might explain it a little better than I did. They have records of original land patents, the item you list from the Clarke County Democrat probably was a later sale of the land. Hope some of this helps! Janis

Where was the "Choctaw Corner Steam Mill"? Saw adv. for it in the 1856 Clarke County Democrat newspaper. Thansks ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I got my 1st reel of the Clarke County Democrat through my library's inner-library loan program. It worked just like everyone said it would. Thanks to everyone who guided me through the process. It so amazing to be able to do this. I have been looking at real estate sales. I am lost. This is a how property is referenced. "northwest quarter of northeast quarter and northeast quartern of northwest quarter of section 10 Township 12 Range 2 East containing 80 acres or less" No that is not a typing error. It all reads like that. That is an actual newspaper item. I need help in the traslation. Where do you find out township numbers and then the sections of a township? Is a township so many square miles or .... Thanks in advance to everyone. Please, reply to the group so everyone can learn. Cassandra, c.davis1@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

We had several new people in the Alabama Genealogy chat room Monday night--be sure and skim through the transcripts and see if any of the SURNAMES are in your family. http://huntsville.about.com/library/blal031201.htm Remember: you can leave messages in the forum for people you see who were in the chat talking about your surnames. You are also encouraged to post your own surnames. Remember--there are TWO genealogy folders--one is just for the Huntsville/Madison Co. area--the other can be used for all of Alabama. http://forums.about.com/ab-huntsville The index for all the past Alabama Genealogy chats is found here: http://huntsville.about.com/library/blalchat.htm Jean Brandau huntsville2@home.com

The descendants and relatives of Littleberry Ryal (Mr. Short) Harrison and Frances Alberta Smith Harrison are planning a reunion to be held at the home of the late Mr. Short and Alberta in Bashi(County Road 48 in Clarke County), on Sunday, the 29th of April, 2001 at 10:30 a.m. Please bring a covered dish, genealogy records and photographs. For more information, contact, Nancy @ SoReflect1@aol.com. See you there!! Nancy

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