And let's all stay friends, and help each other out---no matter what our politics. Happy Holidays to all--- Leslie Hill

This is a geneology forum, NOT A POLITICAL FORUM! Whatever anyones views are, I , for one, do not appreciate having to listen to another diatribe over who will be the forthcoming President or whether they deserve it or not. It's pretty obvious this country is evenly divided. Lets keep this list for the purpose it was created for..........GENEALOGY! Sandra Lewis

My apologies to all. I thought I was making a PERSONAL appeal and did not realize it was in fact going to the genealogy bulletin board. I would never have knowingly used any esoteric topic website for political commentary. I appreciate and enjoy this site and did not intentionally or knowingly misuse it. Thanks, Mike Jackson, cell phone 415-609-9100, fax 419-818-8213, mailto:mljackso@bechtel.com > -----Original Message----- > From: dddennis@concentric.net [SMTP:dddennis@concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:57 AM > To: ALCHILTO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Off topic posts > > There have been several badly off topic posts to both the mailing list and > the Chilton Co. Query Forum lately. I'm giving one poster the benefit of > the doubt > that he accidently did it and banning the other who appears to be a true > spammer. > I'm afraid that even though rootsweb does a great job of filtering > the > spam some will get through from time to time. I see all of it > unfortunately > and believe me 30 to 50 messages a day get filtered with very little > getting through. > Please bear with us and realize that we do all we can to block it > and > that it will be dealt with ASAP. Also please don't respond to this through > the list. If you feel a need to respond please send it to me at > <mailto:dddennis2concentric.net> > David Dennis, dddennis@concentric.net, UsGebWeb webpage for Lincoln Co., > Ga + Chilton Co., Al, and Rootsweb mailing list owner for them and the > SWORDS-L lists, among other things.

There have been several badly off topic posts to both the mailing list and the Chilton Co. Query Forum lately. I'm giving one poster the benefit of the doubt that he accidently did it and banning the other who appears to be a true spammer. I'm afraid that even though rootsweb does a great job of filtering the spam some will get through from time to time. I see all of it unfortunately and believe me 30 to 50 messages a day get filtered with very little getting through. Please bear with us and realize that we do all we can to block it and that it will be dealt with ASAP. Also please don't respond to this through the list. If you feel a need to respond please send it to me at <mailto:dddennis2concentric.net> David Dennis, dddennis@concentric.net, UsGebWeb webpage for Lincoln Co., Ga + Chilton Co., Al, and Rootsweb mailing list owner for them and the SWORDS-L lists, among other things.

Looking for information on Thomas Alonza KLINNER and John H KLINNER who are buried in the FULLER cemetery. Barry Fox Greenville, SC

Jeanette: What Poole line was she married into. My family of Pooles lived around Clanton. Was just curious if there might be a connection. My condolences----- Thanks, Leslie Hill LHill42731@aol.com

My grandmother, Lillie Belle Arant Culp Poole Patterson passed away Saturday, Nov. 18, 2000 at the age of 95 years old. She had outlived three husband and had lived in Clanton for the pass 68 years. She was born in Autauga County on Dec. 1, 1904 to the late Jake and Lizzie Arant of Chilton County, Al. She is survived by four children, a sister and brother, 16 grandchildren, 24 great grandchildren, and 7 great great grandchildren. She worked at the Clanton Senior Citizen Center as Activities Director, an active member of the Convention Music Singing of Clanton, and sold Avon for many years. Jeanette Morgan JMRGN144@aol.com

Dear John: Well said John, A hearty Amen; Pat Robinson permitting! Jake -----Original Message----- From: John K. Brown [mailto:jkbrown@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:30 AM To: ALCHILTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: The Time to Fight is NOW You accuss the Democrats of abusing the election process, while you abuse the purpose of this mail list for your own politcal agenda. Seems rather hypocritical to me. If you wish to throw away your money then do so, but spare me your politics. This is a genealogy and history site. There are plenty of political sites out there for you to argue on to your little Republican heart's content. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson, Mike" <mljackso@bechtel.com> To: <ALCHILTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: The Time to Fight is NOW > The Time to Fight is NOW > > The votes have been counted. We won. Thank you for your support. The 2000 > > election should be over. But because the Democrats are trying to rewrite > the > rules, the fight continues. Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney urgently > need > your help. To contribute immediately, see form below. > > The situation in Florida is unprecedented and the dispute may still spread > to > other closely contested states. We are confident of victory, but we need > your help. > > George W. Bush and Dick Cheney clearly won the majority of legitimately cast > > ballots in Florida and, with Florida's 25 electors, a majority of the > Electoral College. > > All the Democrat maneuvering -- in the courts, in the streets, on television > > -- is designed to confuse the public about that simple fact while throwing > the election into a rigged process in which partisan Democrat officials can > count thousands of improper ballots. > > We MUST NOT let the Democrats steal this election. The RNC has sent staff > to > Florida and other battleground states such as Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon and > Wisconsin as well. We are fighting a multi-front war, and it is expensive. > > These costs are unexpected and unbudgeted -- and they come at a time when > the > RNC's resources have been depleted by the election. That's why I'm asking > for your help again today. > > I've included two articles - Charles Krauthammer's November 17 column, and > excerpts from a Los Angeles Times report -- that describe how the Democrats > are waging this battle. I hope you'll take time to read them -- they are > revealing, and they emphasize how high the stakes are in this contest. > > Again, I would ask you to read the articles below - and then do four > important things for our country: > > 1) send this e-mail on to your own e-mail list - to all of your friends and > neighbors who care about this country and want the truth to come out in > Florida > > 2) Call, e-mail and write your local elected officials, Democrats and > Republicans. You can get the addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses > of > your elected Congress people and Senators at > http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ > > 3) call your local talk radio show or TV news show and let them know your > strong views on this issue > > 4) write a letter to the editor of your local, regional or national > newspapers on this important subject > > > Al Gore lost on November 7. He is now seeking to reverse the results of the > > election in court. This is an outrage -- and it is a sad day for our > country. We will fight this battle with all the available means at our > disposal. Please help as generously as you can. See below how to contribute > > online, or send your contribution to: > > Republican National Committee > 310 First Street S.E. > Washington, D.C. 20003 > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > > Jim Nicholson > Chairman > Republican National Committee > > > Washington Post > Friday , November 17, 2000 ; Page A45 > > Not by Hand > By Charles Krauthammer > > There is a reason that machines have been chosen by Florida and so many > > other states to count ballots. The reason is not only speed and efficiency > but fairness. Of course machines make mistakes, but the mistakes are > distributed randomly. There is no premeditation, no search for advantage. > Undoubtedly there were many presidential ballots that were > double-punched, under-punched or otherwise spoiled in Florida. But machines > read such errors with scrupulous impartiality. The same cannot be said of > hand counting. Hand counting is arbitrary, open to manipulation and abuse. > Mechanical ballots are designed to be read by machines, not humans. When > humans try, the results, as we have seen in Palm Beach, range from the > arbitrary to the bizarre. Hence the comic contortions of the ballot > examiners > holding up cards to the light, trying to divine the intent of voters. Hence > the spectacle of Gore supporters going to court to get a judge to declare > that "dimpled chads"--a slight indentation in the piece of paper one is > supposed to punch through, even slighter than the now legendary "pregnant > chad"--must be counted as a vote. > Second, a manual recount subjects computer cards, literally, to > manipulation. Under this method, the presidency of the United States hangs > by > a thread, the thread holding the dangling chad. Any waving, shuffling, > rubbing or other movement can easily cut the thread, dislodge the chad, and > produce a "vote." > This would be true even if those judging the ballots were perfectly > neutral. They are not. The counting by hand is in fact counting by > Democrats: > The counties now seeking to conduct these recounts--Palm Beach and > Broward--are controlled by Democrats. The decision regarding the legality of > > every newfound Gore vote is made by a committee that is either entirely or > majority Democratic. > These counties, moreover, are two of the most heavily Democratic in the > > state. They went for Gore with majorities larger than that by which Lyndon > Johnson won over Barry Goldwater in 1964--and that was the biggest landslide > > of our time. Broward Democrats chose three sample precincts to decide > whether > to recount the entire county: Two of the test districts voted 20 to 1 for > Gore, the third 50 to 1. Brezhnev never did that well. > In such heavily Democratic districts, there is no way a recount will > not > produce more net votes for Gore. You simply expand or narrow your criteria > for voter "intent"--and produce whatever number you need to win. > What is the fairest way to determine the winner in a state such as Florida? > The fairest is a statewide machine count--and recount. Why? Because the > errors balance out. > What about a statewide manual recount, an option offered by Gore in his > > televised Nov. 15 gambit? It has two disabling liabilities. First, it vastly > > multiplies the opportunity for fraud and bias. Thousands of people in > thousands of precincts handling millions of cards--cards that can be > manipulated and altered with ridiculous ease. There just aren't enough > watchdogs to watch all the partisans. > > See the full article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ > > > SEASONED DEMOCRATIC ARMY HITS THE SHORES OF FLORIDA > > Excerpts from The Los Angeles Times: > > "To scrounge for every last vote, Gore has flooded Fort Lauderdale with > tough, seasoned Democrats, the sort who are used to keeping wafflers in line > > and to count and recount votes until they know exactly what it will take to > outdo their opponents. Many of the hired hands speak with a Boston brogue... > > "Not far away, in an abandoned Payless shoe store, vanloads of AFL-CIO > staffers and Gore loyalists from New York, Chicago, Nashville, Philadelphia, > > San Francisco and elsewhere had disembarked to learn how to observe the > ballot count. "'Our goal,' said one lawyer as he patiently lectured his new > > charges, 'is to preserve the Al Gore vote.' The volunteers nodded. 'It's > very, very important that if you see any kind of mark--a scratch, a dent, a > pinprick in Al Gore's column--that you challenge.' When someone then asked > > what they should do if they found a Bush ballot with an indent, the lawyer > said: 'Keep your lips sealed.' It was hardball that the Bostonians and > other > imported pros understood well." > > Full Article: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_dems001117.htm > > > > Dear Jim, > > Yes, I'll help! I know Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney won on Election > Day. It's time for Al Gore to accept the results of the election and stop > trying to reverse the outcome by rewriting the rules after the fact. To > help > the RNC fight and win this battle, I'm sending a contribution of: > > $25 $50 $100 $250 ____ Other > > Please make check payable to: RNC > > Contributions to the Republican National Committee are not deductible as > charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. > > Paid for by the Republican National Committee. Funds received in response > to > this solicitation will be deposited in the RNC's federal account unless > otherwise prohibited. Federal election law requires us to report the > following information*: > > Occupation*: ______________________________________________ > Employer*: ________________________________________________ > o Please check if self-employed*. > Telephone number: (___)____________________________________ > e-mail address: (H) ________________________________________ > (W) ________________________________________ > > Contributions from foreign nationals are prohibited. > > You may make your presidential election year contribution to the RNC by > credit card if you choose by completing the information below: > > Type of Credit Card: > Personal Corporate > Visa MasterCard American Express Discover > > Credit Card Number: _______________________________________ > Expiration Date: __________________________________________ > Name as it Appears on Card: _______________________________ > Signature: ________________________________________________ > Amount of Gift: $__________________________________________ > > > To have an immediate impact you may contribute to the RNC online at > www.rnc.org. Thank you. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the eChampion mailing list, simply click > here: > > <a > href="http://mail.echampions2000.com/GoNow/a14064a27027a60878987a0">http://m > ai > > l.echampions2000.com/GoNow/a14064a27027a60878987a0</a> > > Thanks, Mike Jackson, cell phone 415-609-9100, fax 419-818-8213, > mailto:mljackso@bechtel.com >

My apologies. I thought I was sending a personal appeal and did not know it was going to a "bulletin board." While I disagree with your politics, I concur that the forum - if it is indeed a "bulletin board" - is not appropriate. Thanks, Mike Jackson, cell phone 415-609-9100, fax 419-818-8213, mailto:mljackso@bechtel.com > -----Original Message----- > From: John K. Brown [SMTP:jkbrown@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:30 AM > To: ALCHILTO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: The Time to Fight is NOW > > You accuss the Democrats of abusing the election process, while you abuse > the purpose of this mail list for your own politcal agenda. Seems rather > hypocritical to me. If you wish to throw away your money then do so, but > spare me your politics. This is a genealogy and history site. There are > plenty of political sites out there for you to argue on to your little > Republican heart's content. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackson, Mike" <mljackso@bechtel.com> > To: <ALCHILTO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:12 AM > Subject: The Time to Fight is NOW > > > > The Time to Fight is NOW > > > > The votes have been counted. We won. Thank you for your support. The > 2000 > > > > election should be over. But because the Democrats are trying to > rewrite > > the > > rules, the fight continues. Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney urgently > > need > > your help. To contribute immediately, see form below. > > > > The situation in Florida is unprecedented and the dispute may still > spread > > to > > other closely contested states. We are confident of victory, but we > need > > your help. > > > > George W. Bush and Dick Cheney clearly won the majority of legitimately > cast > > > > ballots in Florida and, with Florida's 25 electors, a majority of the > > Electoral College. > > > > All the Democrat maneuvering -- in the courts, in the streets, on > television > > > > -- is designed to confuse the public about that simple fact while > throwing > > the election into a rigged process in which partisan Democrat officials > can > > count thousands of improper ballots. > > > > We MUST NOT let the Democrats steal this election. The RNC has sent > staff > > to > > Florida and other battleground states such as Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon > and > > Wisconsin as well. We are fighting a multi-front war, and it is > expensive. > > > > These costs are unexpected and unbudgeted -- and they come at a time > when > > the > > RNC's resources have been depleted by the election. That's why I'm > asking > > for your help again today. > > > > I've included two articles - Charles Krauthammer's November 17 column, > and > > excerpts from a Los Angeles Times report -- that describe how the > Democrats > > are waging this battle. I hope you'll take time to read them -- they > are > > revealing, and they emphasize how high the stakes are in this contest. > > > > Again, I would ask you to read the articles below - and then do four > > important things for our country: > > > > 1) send this e-mail on to your own e-mail list - to all of your friends > and > > neighbors who care about this country and want the truth to come out in > > Florida > > > > 2) Call, e-mail and write your local elected officials, Democrats and > > Republicans. You can get the addresses, phone numbers and e-mail > addresses > > of > > your elected Congress people and Senators at > > http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ > > > > 3) call your local talk radio show or TV news show and let them know > your > > strong views on this issue > > > > 4) write a letter to the editor of your local, regional or national > > newspapers on this important subject > > > > > > Al Gore lost on November 7. He is now seeking to reverse the results of > the > > > > election in court. This is an outrage -- and it is a sad day for our > > country. We will fight this battle with all the available means at our > > disposal. Please help as generously as you can. See below how to > contribute > > > > online, or send your contribution to: > > > > Republican National Committee > > 310 First Street S.E. > > Washington, D.C. 20003 > > > > Thank you. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jim Nicholson > > Chairman > > Republican National Committee > > > > > > Washington Post > > Friday , November 17, 2000 ; Page A45 > > > > Not by Hand > > By Charles Krauthammer > > > > There is a reason that machines have been chosen by Florida and so > many > > > > other states to count ballots. The reason is not only speed and > efficiency > > but fairness. Of course machines make mistakes, but the mistakes are > > distributed randomly. There is no premeditation, no search for > advantage. > > Undoubtedly there were many presidential ballots that were > > double-punched, under-punched or otherwise spoiled in Florida. But > machines > > read such errors with scrupulous impartiality. The same cannot be said > of > > hand counting. Hand counting is arbitrary, open to manipulation and > abuse. > > Mechanical ballots are designed to be read by machines, not humans. When > > humans try, the results, as we have seen in Palm Beach, range from the > > arbitrary to the bizarre. Hence the comic contortions of the ballot > > examiners > > holding up cards to the light, trying to divine the intent of voters. > Hence > > the spectacle of Gore supporters going to court to get a judge to > declare > > that "dimpled chads"--a slight indentation in the piece of paper one is > > supposed to punch through, even slighter than the now legendary > "pregnant > > chad"--must be counted as a vote. > > Second, a manual recount subjects computer cards, literally, to > > manipulation. Under this method, the presidency of the United States > hangs > > by > > a thread, the thread holding the dangling chad. Any waving, shuffling, > > rubbing or other movement can easily cut the thread, dislodge the chad, > and > > produce a "vote." > > This would be true even if those judging the ballots were perfectly > > neutral. They are not. The counting by hand is in fact counting by > > Democrats: > > The counties now seeking to conduct these recounts--Palm Beach and > > Broward--are controlled by Democrats. The decision regarding the > legality > of > > > > every newfound Gore vote is made by a committee that is either entirely > or > > majority Democratic. > > These counties, moreover, are two of the most heavily Democratic in > the > > > > state. They went for Gore with majorities larger than that by which > Lyndon > > Johnson won over Barry Goldwater in 1964--and that was the biggest > landslide > > > > of our time. Broward Democrats chose three sample precincts to decide > > whether > > to recount the entire county: Two of the test districts voted 20 to 1 > for > > Gore, the third 50 to 1. Brezhnev never did that well. > > In such heavily Democratic districts, there is no way a recount > will > > not > > produce more net votes for Gore. You simply expand or narrow your > criteria > > for voter "intent"--and produce whatever number you need to win. > > What is the fairest way to determine the winner in a state such as > Florida? > > The fairest is a statewide machine count--and recount. Why? Because the > > errors balance out. > > What about a statewide manual recount, an option offered by Gore in > his > > > > televised Nov. 15 gambit? It has two disabling liabilities. First, it > vastly > > > > multiplies the opportunity for fraud and bias. Thousands of people in > > thousands of precincts handling millions of cards--cards that can be > > manipulated and altered with ridiculous ease. There just aren't enough > > watchdogs to watch all the partisans. > > > > See the full article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ > > > > > > SEASONED DEMOCRATIC ARMY HITS THE SHORES OF FLORIDA > > > > Excerpts from The Los Angeles Times: > > > > "To scrounge for every last vote, Gore has flooded Fort Lauderdale with > > tough, seasoned Democrats, the sort who are used to keeping wafflers in > line > > > > and to count and recount votes until they know exactly what it will take > to > > outdo their opponents. Many of the hired hands speak with a Boston > brogue... > > > > "Not far away, in an abandoned Payless shoe store, vanloads of AFL-CIO > > staffers and Gore loyalists from New York, Chicago, Nashville, > Philadelphia, > > > > San Francisco and elsewhere had disembarked to learn how to observe the > > ballot count. "'Our goal,' said one lawyer as he patiently lectured his > new > > > > charges, 'is to preserve the Al Gore vote.' The volunteers nodded. > 'It's > > very, very important that if you see any kind of mark--a scratch, a > dent, > a > > pinprick in Al Gore's column--that you challenge.' When someone then > asked > > > > what they should do if they found a Bush ballot with an indent, the > lawyer > > said: 'Keep your lips sealed.' It was hardball that the Bostonians and > > other > > imported pros understood well." > > > > Full Article: > > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_dems001117.htm > > > > > > > > Dear Jim, > > > > Yes, I'll help! I know Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney won on > Election > > Day. It's time for Al Gore to accept the results of the election and > stop > > trying to reverse the outcome by rewriting the rules after the fact. To > > help > > the RNC fight and win this battle, I'm sending a contribution of: > > > > $25 $50 $100 $250 ____ Other > > > > Please make check payable to: RNC > > > > Contributions to the Republican National Committee are not deductible as > > charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. > > > > Paid for by the Republican National Committee. Funds received in > response > > to > > this solicitation will be deposited in the RNC's federal account unless > > otherwise prohibited. Federal election law requires us to report the > > following information*: > > > > Occupation*: ______________________________________________ > > Employer*: ________________________________________________ > > o Please check if self-employed*. > > Telephone number: (___)____________________________________ > > e-mail address: (H) ________________________________________ > > (W) ________________________________________ > > > > Contributions from foreign nationals are prohibited. > > > > You may make your presidential election year contribution to the RNC by > > credit card if you choose by completing the information below: > > > > Type of Credit Card: > > Personal Corporate > > Visa MasterCard American Express Discover > > > > Credit Card Number: _______________________________________ > > Expiration Date: __________________________________________ > > Name as it Appears on Card: _______________________________ > > Signature: ________________________________________________ > > Amount of Gift: $__________________________________________ > > > > > > To have an immediate impact you may contribute to the RNC online at > > www.rnc.org. Thank you. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the eChampion mailing list, simply click > > here: > > > > <a > > > href="http://mail.echampions2000.com/GoNow/a14064a27027a60878987a0">http:/ > /m > > ai > > > > l.echampions2000.com/GoNow/a14064a27027a60878987a0</a> > > > > Thanks, Mike Jackson, cell phone 415-609-9100, fax 419-818-8213, > > mailto:mljackso@bechtel.com > >

You accuss the Democrats of abusing the election process, while you abuse the purpose of this mail list for your own politcal agenda. Seems rather hypocritical to me. If you wish to throw away your money then do so, but spare me your politics. This is a genealogy and history site. There are plenty of political sites out there for you to argue on to your little Republican heart's content. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson, Mike" <mljackso@bechtel.com> To: <ALCHILTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: The Time to Fight is NOW > The Time to Fight is NOW > > The votes have been counted. We won. Thank you for your support. The 2000 > > election should be over. But because the Democrats are trying to rewrite > the > rules, the fight continues. Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney urgently > need > your help. To contribute immediately, see form below. > > The situation in Florida is unprecedented and the dispute may still spread > to > other closely contested states. We are confident of victory, but we need > your help. > > George W. Bush and Dick Cheney clearly won the majority of legitimately cast > > ballots in Florida and, with Florida's 25 electors, a majority of the > Electoral College. > > All the Democrat maneuvering -- in the courts, in the streets, on television > > -- is designed to confuse the public about that simple fact while throwing > the election into a rigged process in which partisan Democrat officials can > count thousands of improper ballots. > > We MUST NOT let the Democrats steal this election. The RNC has sent staff > to > Florida and other battleground states such as Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon and > Wisconsin as well. We are fighting a multi-front war, and it is expensive. > > These costs are unexpected and unbudgeted -- and they come at a time when > the > RNC's resources have been depleted by the election. That's why I'm asking > for your help again today. > > I've included two articles - Charles Krauthammer's November 17 column, and > excerpts from a Los Angeles Times report -- that describe how the Democrats > are waging this battle. I hope you'll take time to read them -- they are > revealing, and they emphasize how high the stakes are in this contest. > > Again, I would ask you to read the articles below - and then do four > important things for our country: > > 1) send this e-mail on to your own e-mail list - to all of your friends and > neighbors who care about this country and want the truth to come out in > Florida > > 2) Call, e-mail and write your local elected officials, Democrats and > Republicans. You can get the addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses > of > your elected Congress people and Senators at > http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ > > 3) call your local talk radio show or TV news show and let them know your > strong views on this issue > > 4) write a letter to the editor of your local, regional or national > newspapers on this important subject > > > Al Gore lost on November 7. He is now seeking to reverse the results of the > > election in court. This is an outrage -- and it is a sad day for our > country. We will fight this battle with all the available means at our > disposal. Please help as generously as you can. See below how to contribute > > online, or send your contribution to: > > Republican National Committee > 310 First Street S.E. > Washington, D.C. 20003 > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > > > Jim Nicholson > Chairman > Republican National Committee > > > Washington Post > Friday , November 17, 2000 ; Page A45 > > Not by Hand > By Charles Krauthammer > > There is a reason that machines have been chosen by Florida and so many > > other states to count ballots. The reason is not only speed and efficiency > but fairness. Of course machines make mistakes, but the mistakes are > distributed randomly. There is no premeditation, no search for advantage. > Undoubtedly there were many presidential ballots that were > double-punched, under-punched or otherwise spoiled in Florida. But machines > read such errors with scrupulous impartiality. The same cannot be said of > hand counting. Hand counting is arbitrary, open to manipulation and abuse. > Mechanical ballots are designed to be read by machines, not humans. When > humans try, the results, as we have seen in Palm Beach, range from the > arbitrary to the bizarre. Hence the comic contortions of the ballot > examiners > holding up cards to the light, trying to divine the intent of voters. Hence > the spectacle of Gore supporters going to court to get a judge to declare > that "dimpled chads"--a slight indentation in the piece of paper one is > supposed to punch through, even slighter than the now legendary "pregnant > chad"--must be counted as a vote. > Second, a manual recount subjects computer cards, literally, to > manipulation. Under this method, the presidency of the United States hangs > by > a thread, the thread holding the dangling chad. Any waving, shuffling, > rubbing or other movement can easily cut the thread, dislodge the chad, and > produce a "vote." > This would be true even if those judging the ballots were perfectly > neutral. They are not. The counting by hand is in fact counting by > Democrats: > The counties now seeking to conduct these recounts--Palm Beach and > Broward--are controlled by Democrats. The decision regarding the legality of > > every newfound Gore vote is made by a committee that is either entirely or > majority Democratic. > These counties, moreover, are two of the most heavily Democratic in the > > state. They went for Gore with majorities larger than that by which Lyndon > Johnson won over Barry Goldwater in 1964--and that was the biggest landslide > > of our time. Broward Democrats chose three sample precincts to decide > whether > to recount the entire county: Two of the test districts voted 20 to 1 for > Gore, the third 50 to 1. Brezhnev never did that well. > In such heavily Democratic districts, there is no way a recount will > not > produce more net votes for Gore. You simply expand or narrow your criteria > for voter "intent"--and produce whatever number you need to win. > What is the fairest way to determine the winner in a state such as Florida? > The fairest is a statewide machine count--and recount. Why? Because the > errors balance out. > What about a statewide manual recount, an option offered by Gore in his > > televised Nov. 15 gambit? It has two disabling liabilities. First, it vastly > > multiplies the opportunity for fraud and bias. Thousands of people in > thousands of precincts handling millions of cards--cards that can be > manipulated and altered with ridiculous ease. There just aren't enough > watchdogs to watch all the partisans. > > See the full article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ > > > SEASONED DEMOCRATIC ARMY HITS THE SHORES OF FLORIDA > > Excerpts from The Los Angeles Times: > > "To scrounge for every last vote, Gore has flooded Fort Lauderdale with > tough, seasoned Democrats, the sort who are used to keeping wafflers in line > > and to count and recount votes until they know exactly what it will take to > outdo their opponents. Many of the hired hands speak with a Boston brogue... > > "Not far away, in an abandoned Payless shoe store, vanloads of AFL-CIO > staffers and Gore loyalists from New York, Chicago, Nashville, Philadelphia, > > San Francisco and elsewhere had disembarked to learn how to observe the > ballot count. "'Our goal,' said one lawyer as he patiently lectured his new > > charges, 'is to preserve the Al Gore vote.' The volunteers nodded. 'It's > very, very important that if you see any kind of mark--a scratch, a dent, a > pinprick in Al Gore's column--that you challenge.' When someone then asked > > what they should do if they found a Bush ballot with an indent, the lawyer > said: 'Keep your lips sealed.' It was hardball that the Bostonians and > other > imported pros understood well." > > Full Article: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_dems001117.htm > > > > Dear Jim, > > Yes, I'll help! I know Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney won on Election > Day. It's time for Al Gore to accept the results of the election and stop > trying to reverse the outcome by rewriting the rules after the fact. To > help > the RNC fight and win this battle, I'm sending a contribution of: > > $25 $50 $100 $250 ____ Other > > Please make check payable to: RNC > > Contributions to the Republican National Committee are not deductible as > charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. > > Paid for by the Republican National Committee. Funds received in response > to > this solicitation will be deposited in the RNC's federal account unless > otherwise prohibited. 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The Time to Fight is NOW The votes have been counted. We won. Thank you for your support. The 2000 election should be over. But because the Democrats are trying to rewrite the rules, the fight continues. Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney urgently need your help. To contribute immediately, see form below. The situation in Florida is unprecedented and the dispute may still spread to other closely contested states. We are confident of victory, but we need your help. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney clearly won the majority of legitimately cast ballots in Florida and, with Florida's 25 electors, a majority of the Electoral College. All the Democrat maneuvering -- in the courts, in the streets, on television -- is designed to confuse the public about that simple fact while throwing the election into a rigged process in which partisan Democrat officials can count thousands of improper ballots. We MUST NOT let the Democrats steal this election. The RNC has sent staff to Florida and other battleground states such as Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon and Wisconsin as well. We are fighting a multi-front war, and it is expensive. These costs are unexpected and unbudgeted -- and they come at a time when the RNC's resources have been depleted by the election. That's why I'm asking for your help again today. I've included two articles - Charles Krauthammer's November 17 column, and excerpts from a Los Angeles Times report -- that describe how the Democrats are waging this battle. I hope you'll take time to read them -- they are revealing, and they emphasize how high the stakes are in this contest. Again, I would ask you to read the articles below - and then do four important things for our country: 1) send this e-mail on to your own e-mail list - to all of your friends and neighbors who care about this country and want the truth to come out in Florida 2) Call, e-mail and write your local elected officials, Democrats and Republicans. You can get the addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses of your elected Congress people and Senators at http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ 3) call your local talk radio show or TV news show and let them know your strong views on this issue 4) write a letter to the editor of your local, regional or national newspapers on this important subject Al Gore lost on November 7. He is now seeking to reverse the results of the election in court. This is an outrage -- and it is a sad day for our country. We will fight this battle with all the available means at our disposal. Please help as generously as you can. See below how to contribute online, or send your contribution to: Republican National Committee 310 First Street S.E. Washington, D.C. 20003 Thank you. Sincerely, Jim Nicholson Chairman Republican National Committee Washington Post Friday , November 17, 2000 ; Page A45 Not by Hand By Charles Krauthammer There is a reason that machines have been chosen by Florida and so many other states to count ballots. The reason is not only speed and efficiency but fairness. Of course machines make mistakes, but the mistakes are distributed randomly. There is no premeditation, no search for advantage. Undoubtedly there were many presidential ballots that were double-punched, under-punched or otherwise spoiled in Florida. But machines read such errors with scrupulous impartiality. The same cannot be said of hand counting. Hand counting is arbitrary, open to manipulation and abuse. Mechanical ballots are designed to be read by machines, not humans. When humans try, the results, as we have seen in Palm Beach, range from the arbitrary to the bizarre. Hence the comic contortions of the ballot examiners holding up cards to the light, trying to divine the intent of voters. Hence the spectacle of Gore supporters going to court to get a judge to declare that "dimpled chads"--a slight indentation in the piece of paper one is supposed to punch through, even slighter than the now legendary "pregnant chad"--must be counted as a vote. Second, a manual recount subjects computer cards, literally, to manipulation. Under this method, the presidency of the United States hangs by a thread, the thread holding the dangling chad. Any waving, shuffling, rubbing or other movement can easily cut the thread, dislodge the chad, and produce a "vote." This would be true even if those judging the ballots were perfectly neutral. They are not. The counting by hand is in fact counting by Democrats: The counties now seeking to conduct these recounts--Palm Beach and Broward--are controlled by Democrats. The decision regarding the legality of every newfound Gore vote is made by a committee that is either entirely or majority Democratic. These counties, moreover, are two of the most heavily Democratic in the state. They went for Gore with majorities larger than that by which Lyndon Johnson won over Barry Goldwater in 1964--and that was the biggest landslide of our time. Broward Democrats chose three sample precincts to decide whether to recount the entire county: Two of the test districts voted 20 to 1 for Gore, the third 50 to 1. Brezhnev never did that well. In such heavily Democratic districts, there is no way a recount will not produce more net votes for Gore. You simply expand or narrow your criteria for voter "intent"--and produce whatever number you need to win. What is the fairest way to determine the winner in a state such as Florida? The fairest is a statewide machine count--and recount. Why? Because the errors balance out. What about a statewide manual recount, an option offered by Gore in his televised Nov. 15 gambit? It has two disabling liabilities. First, it vastly multiplies the opportunity for fraud and bias. Thousands of people in thousands of precincts handling millions of cards--cards that can be manipulated and altered with ridiculous ease. There just aren't enough watchdogs to watch all the partisans. See the full article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ SEASONED DEMOCRATIC ARMY HITS THE SHORES OF FLORIDA Excerpts from The Los Angeles Times: "To scrounge for every last vote, Gore has flooded Fort Lauderdale with tough, seasoned Democrats, the sort who are used to keeping wafflers in line and to count and recount votes until they know exactly what it will take to outdo their opponents. Many of the hired hands speak with a Boston brogue... "Not far away, in an abandoned Payless shoe store, vanloads of AFL-CIO staffers and Gore loyalists from New York, Chicago, Nashville, Philadelphia, San Francisco and elsewhere had disembarked to learn how to observe the ballot count. "'Our goal,' said one lawyer as he patiently lectured his new charges, 'is to preserve the Al Gore vote.' The volunteers nodded. 'It's very, very important that if you see any kind of mark--a scratch, a dent, a pinprick in Al Gore's column--that you challenge.' When someone then asked what they should do if they found a Bush ballot with an indent, the lawyer said: 'Keep your lips sealed.' It was hardball that the Bostonians and other imported pros understood well." Full Article: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_dems001117.htm Dear Jim, Yes, I'll help! I know Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney won on Election Day. It's time for Al Gore to accept the results of the election and stop trying to reverse the outcome by rewriting the rules after the fact. To help the RNC fight and win this battle, I'm sending a contribution of: $25 $50 $100 $250 ____ Other Please make check payable to: RNC Contributions to the Republican National Committee are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. Paid for by the Republican National Committee. Funds received in response to this solicitation will be deposited in the RNC's federal account unless otherwise prohibited. Federal election law requires us to report the following information*: Occupation*: ______________________________________________ Employer*: ________________________________________________ o Please check if self-employed*. Telephone number: (___)____________________________________ e-mail address: (H) ________________________________________ (W) ________________________________________ Contributions from foreign nationals are prohibited. You may make your presidential election year contribution to the RNC by credit card if you choose by completing the information below: Type of Credit Card: Personal Corporate Visa MasterCard American Express Discover Credit Card Number: _______________________________________ Expiration Date: __________________________________________ Name as it Appears on Card: _______________________________ Signature: ________________________________________________ Amount of Gift: $__________________________________________ To have an immediate impact you may contribute to the RNC online at www.rnc.org. 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Does anyone know if there are any copies remaining of the Heritage Of Chilton County,AL?

I saw this site on another list. Great basic information on Alabama counties. It can maybe help some people new to genealogy. www.segenealogy.com/alabama Brian

Does anyone have access to a 11/11/1915 copy of the Clanton Press and not mind looking up the obituary of James ADAMS? It would be greatly appreciated. Barry Fox Greenville, SC

> -----Original Message----- > From: Xide5@aol.com [SMTP:Xide5@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:58 PM > To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing lists > > OFF ANOTHER LIST > > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:22:02 -0400 > Subject: [USGenWeb-SE] Census Lookup Mailing lists > USGenWeb-SE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Hello Everyone ! I have had to reword and rework the guidelines for the > CENSUS-LOOKUP mailing lists and also include subscription instructions. > I am > sending these below. The lists have been growing like crazy since I > created > them three days ago and I expect the growth to continue as the word > spreads. > Please feel free to forward this to anyone you feel may be interested in > joining. Of course the more people we have the more help we will be for > each > other. Please keep in mind that we are only a few days old and if your > lookup request is not answered, try again in a week or two. Some of the > state lists have already reached over 150 subscribers <G> Others have > not > been "advertised" as much and have fewer members. Hang in there and > don't > get discouraged if your not answered right away, these lists will be a > great > asset to our research after we reach the people and let them know that > these > lists are available. I am encouraging everyone to send this email to > their > surname and county mailing lists as well as to our cousins. Finally, If > you > have the material to help a fellow researcher, please use it. Thanks, > Kelly > Kellygirl3398@mpinet.net > > (Subscription information at the end of this e-mail) > > Guidelines for posting to the lists: > Established 11 October 2000 > > EMAIL SUBJECT LINES: > COUNTY,YEAR,SURNAME > > NO FLAMING or you will be unsubbed without notice. By this I mean not > only > being rude or mean to each other but there will be NO and I do mean NO > debating here about the Census Projects. This list is for everyone who > wants > to research. > > NO General requests such as "all Smiths in all counties" > Be specific, Name the County, Family you are looking for and also the > year. > Try to supply as much info as possible. > > LIMIT your requests to ONE PER CENSUS YEAR and SURNAME > > My Mama taught me that Thank you and Please are always nice too :) > > > > A few people have emailed me asking how to sign up for the new > lists and what to do. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1. All lists are > > XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > The XX is to be removed and the two letter abbreviation for the state > you are looking in added in its place. > > Examples: > > MI-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > > CA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > > IL-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > 2. So, send an email to the one of your choice (make sure to have the > state). Put NOTHING in the subject line. In the body of the email > write only: > > subscribe > > Then send it on :) > > 3. POSTING to the new census lists: > > A. Send it to XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com (supply the two letter > state > code for the XX again) > > B: Subject line MUST have the following: > County/Year/Surname > > Example: Saginaw/1850/Smith > > > C: In the body of the email: > > List whom you are looking for. > Supply as much information as you can. > Birthplace, ages, occupation, etc. > > D: Mail it on! > > That's it folks :) > > I hope that helped. I have put the list of states and two letter codes > below for you. > > > AL Alabama > AK Alaska > AZ Arizona > AR Arkansas > > CA California > CO Colorado > CT Connecticut > > DC District Of Columbia > DE Delaware > > FL Florida > > GA Georgia > > HI Hawaii > > ID Idaho > IL Illinois > IN Indiana > IA Iowa > > KS Kansas > KY Kentucky > > LA Louisiana > > ME Maine > MD Maryland > MA Massachusetts > MI Michigan > MN Minnesota > MS Mississippi > MO Missouri > MT Montana > > NE Nebraska > NV Nevada > NH New Hampshire > NJ New Jersey > NM New Mexico > NY New York > NC North Carolina > ND North Dakota > > OH Ohio > OK Oklahoma > OR Oregon > > PA Pennsylvania > > RI Rhode Island > > SC South Carolina > SD South Dakota > > TN Tennessee > TX Texas > > UT Utah > > VT Vermont > VA Virginia > > WA Washington (state) > WV West Virginia > > WI Wisconsin > WY Wyoming

Hi, Laura, The Birmingham Genealogical Society is in Jefferson County, AL. Their web page address is www.birminghamgenealogy.org. They publish a quarterly entitled PIONEER TRAILS. The treasurer is Martha Hansberger, 3336 Winchester Rd. Birmingham, AL 35226. Dues are $15.00 per year for which you get the PIONEER TRAILS. They publish queries for free for memebers. I don't have any knowledge of the other two counties. Irma J. Roy At 10:14 AM 10/18/00 EDT, you wrote: >I checked Cindi's list for Genealogical Societies and none at all were listed >for Alabama. Is this true?! If not, could someone suggest historical or >genealogical societies in Baldwin, Jefferson and Walker counties? I can't >seem to get anywhere online with any of these places--need records from the >early 1900s. Thanks in advance! Laura in NC > >

Laura, The Northeast Alabama Genealogical Society is based in Etowah County, AL. If you will sign up for the ALETOWAH-L@rootsweb.com list, and post your query there, you should get plenty of help. Arlene

>I checked Cindi's list for Genealogical Societies and none at all were listed >for Alabama. Is this true?! If not, could someone suggest historical or >genealogical societies in Baldwin, Jefferson and Walker counties? I can't >seem to get anywhere online with any of these places--need records from the >early 1900s. Thanks in advance! Laura in NC Dear Laura, I am working on several research projects (listed below). One of them is the Historical & Genealogical Societies of the United States at http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/hs/ I am aggressively researching the web, looking for online society websites as well as lists of society addresses and phone numbers according to state. With the help of local people associated with these societies, this directory will be a great resource for all of us. Bill and Tina Cribbs -- GREAT BOOKMARKS! ShipSearch http://www.obitcentral.com/shipsearch/ CemSearch http://www.obitcentral.com/cemsearch/ ObitSearch http://www.obitcentral.com/obitsearch/ Obituary Links Page http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/obit/ Canadian Obit Links Page http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/obit/canada.htm Web Wide Surname Locator http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/surnames/ Historical & Genealogical Societies of the U.S. http://www.geocities.com/cribbswh/hs/ Thanks, Bill and Tina Cribbs HELP STOP BREAST CANCER!!! --

I checked Cindi's list for Genealogical Societies and none at all were listed for Alabama. Is this true?! If not, could someone suggest historical or genealogical societies in Baldwin, Jefferson and Walker counties? I can't seem to get anywhere online with any of these places--need records from the early 1900s. Thanks in advance! Laura in NC

Mike it is not on-line yet,but I have a copy and will be glad to look up anything you need! "Jackson, Mike" wrote: > > Dave, > > Is the Chilton cemetery book available electronically?