Thanks so much, Melba. I think you have helped me before; I have trouble getting to libraries so it is much appreciated. I think the sanford Duncan in Ga. is probably related but we know our Catherine didn`t die until 1933. there is a sanford in madison co. al., different wife. I just have to do some more homework I sort of think there is the name "Miller" but really has been obliterated and only "Holt" which was her father`s name. i`ll study it sommore. there is a "Miller" as a surety for John holt re: a Rev. pension for John Holt`s mother. Whew!! Thanks you again. Sue