Hello, all Bibb Co. descendants. (I am a caucasian person). I have just completed reading a condensation of Alex Haley's book, 'Queen', which is a fascinating telling of the time of the War Between the States, and the following years, told from the view-point of a mixed-race woman of Caucasian and Negro parentage. >From all I know (and that is not much) there were many such persons who were brought into the world and had to live the life of a slave, because they were of mixed race. Our nation has some very sad history, from those times, but I hope that we will (or may have come to) see a time in which many of those difficult historical facts will be improved upon, or at least, cleared away, by our more recent national behavior. Sorry to have started preaching!! Now, to the reason for my message. I have ancestors who lived in Bibb Co., in the early days of the history of the state of Alabama, and I intend to learn more about them, and the trials of their lives, before, during and after the War Between the States. That is a title for that war which is usually used by people who live in the northern states, but I agree with that name of the war, because it was not a thing with any 'civil' features about it, whatsoever. My families in Bibb (and also Perry) were DUKE, FONDREN, MOORE, WOOLLEY, MCLAUGHLIN, PERKINS, SANDERS, TUBB(S) and perhaps, some others. Robert DUKE was b. ca. 1780, in Camden District of South Carolina, and his wife was Ann KINSLER, b. ca. 1780, also from SC. They were married at about the turn of the 19th century, in SC, and their children were James, Jeremiah K., and a daughter whose name may have also been Ann. The entire family moved to Perry Co. in ca. 1730, and both Robert and his son, James, bought land in Perry Co, shortly after they arrived. James had been married for a short time, and brought two or three young children with him, as well as his wife, Judith Elizabeth WILSON. This couple had eleven children in all, the rest of which were born in Alabama. Jeremiah, my ancestor, married Caroline WOOLLEY in 1836, and they had two children before he died in 1841. These children were (first born) Rachel Ann DUKE and her brother, Lovick Sherrod DUKE. Some of this info is also available (from previous queries by me) in the archives of the two counties, and some very fine 'students' of the area have helped me with much of this info, which I very much appreciate. Lovick was b. July 10, 1840, and the life he, his sister and his mother (who re-married) led during his youth is not very well documented, since no one was 'taking notes' at the time. We all find this to be true, so this is not new news!!!!!!! Fast forward to age 20, and Lovick is married to C. Adeline FONDREN, in Bibb Co. in November, 1860. He becomes a member of the Alabama 51st Partisan Mounted Rangers, comes home and returns to the war at various times, and by 1865, when the war was over, there were three children, and after that time, five more were born. In 1879, he is declared a bankrupt farmer, and dis-possessed of his farm land in the area. After this occurred, he took his entire family, and three other persons and migrated to Coryell Co., Texas, where they were all counted in the 1880 census. I hope to learn the following information items about this entire family. Birth-dates for Robert, his wife, Ann, the d.o.b. of C. Adeline FONDREN, that of Rachel Ann DUKE, the date of her marriage to James C. PERKINS, the d.o.b. of Caroline WOOLLEY, the d.o.d. of Jeremiah K., and the location of the land which was lost, due to the bankruptcy court action. This is a tall order. Anyone who can help with any of these needed data are most appreciated!! Thanks for listening. Joe DUKE ----- Original Message ----- From: <albibb-request@rootsweb.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: ALBIBB Digest, Vol 3, Issue 48 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Formation of Bibb County, Alabama (Ira Harris) > 2. Re: Formation of Bibb County, Alabama (liz hicks) > 3. Re: Formation of Bibb County, Alabama (Donald M Logan, Ph. D.) > 4. Re: BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY (Pat Cassity) > 5. Re: BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY (Willis1930@webtv.net) > 6. Re: BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY (patcassity@bellsouth.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:54:16 -0600 > From: Ira Harris <barebear@insightbb.com> > Subject: [ALBIBB] Formation of Bibb County, Alabama > To: ALBIBB@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <CF69C01B-AD41-436E-B888-B203A7C2F4FC@insightbb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Source: Handy Book for Genealogists > Edited by George B. Everton Sr. > Sixth Edition, 1971 > Published by The Everton Publishers, Inc. > Logan, Utah > > Bibb County, Alabama was created in 1818 from Monroe and Montgomery > Counties. > Bibb County was known as Cahaba County until 1820 > Census Records are available from 1830 > The County Seat is Centreville > > The Handy Book for Genealogists is a wonderful source of information > for counties and their formation in the USA. > Also included is a map of the State and its counties. > I highly recommend it to anyone who is a serious family history > researcher > > Hope this helps clarify things > > Ira L. Harris III > Evansville, Indiana > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:47:34 -0500 > From: "liz hicks" <erootrot@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Formation of Bibb County, Alabama > To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <386mBmqUI2756S28.1202921254@cmsweb28.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > May I also mention, William Dollarhide's "Map Guide to the US Federal > Census". This book shows each state with the counties that were > there are of the census date 1790-1920+/-, plus present day counties. > > When doing genealogy, one has to always ask, who had jurisdiction? > In other words, if not a state yet when you're ancestor lived in > an area, where were the records kept? Territorial records, US > govt. documents, Governor's records, etc. Liz > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:55:17 AM EST > From: Ira Harris <barebear@insightbb.com> > To: ALBIBB@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ALBIBB] Formation of Bibb County, Alabama > > Source: Handy Book for Genealogists > Edited by George B. Everton Sr. > Sixth Edition, 1971 > Published by The Everton Publishers, Inc. > Logan, Utah > > Bibb County, Alabama was created in 1818 from Monroe and Montgomery > Counties. > Bibb County was known as Cahaba County until 1820 > Census Records are available from 1830 > The County Seat is Centreville > > The Handy Book for Genealogists is a wonderful source of information > for counties and their formation in the USA. > Also included is a map of the State and its counties. > I highly recommend it to anyone who is a serious family history > researcher > > Hope this helps clarify things > > Ira L. Harris III > Evansville, Indiana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:00:26 -0600 > From: "Donald M Logan, Ph. D." <moodylogan@windstream.net> > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Formation of Bibb County, Alabama > To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601c86e61$f0b58490$01fea8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thank you Ira!~!! > I talked with a lady in VA about doing some research, she looked into a > book > and told me I had to start with Monroe and Montgomeryt county before she > would help in VA. > (I merely wanted names of Hunts and Logan families in Charlotte around > 1775, > the birthdate of John Hunt...) Man, what a purist! > > but now, I know which book she used. > > Now, does anyone know how to search Monroe and Montgomery County. > > don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ira Harris" <barebear@insightbb.com> > To: <ALBIBB@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:54 AM > Subject: [ALBIBB] Formation of Bibb County, Alabama > > >> Source: Handy Book for Genealogists >> Edited by George B. Everton Sr. >> Sixth Edition, 1971 >> Published by The Everton Publishers, Inc. >> Logan, Utah >> >> Bibb County, Alabama was created in 1818 from Monroe and Montgomery >> Counties. >> Bibb County was known as Cahaba County until 1820 >> Census Records are available from 1830 >> The County Seat is Centreville >> >> The Handy Book for Genealogists is a wonderful source of information >> for counties and their formation in the USA. >> Also included is a map of the State and its counties. >> I highly recommend it to anyone who is a serious family history >> researcher >> >> Hope this helps clarify things >> >> Ira L. Harris III >> Evansville, Indiana >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:50:06 -0600 > From: "Pat Cassity" <patcassity@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY > To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <008401c86e8a$6a9aa100$2001a8c0@pat0s6t7kv45wj> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I thought Bibb Co, Al came from part of Baker??? Also the John Hunt > mentioned or a John Hunt was active in the Huntsville area and Huntsville, > Al was named for him. The capital was in Huntsville for a time and I > believe that Alabama became a state in 1819??? Pat Cassity > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald M Logan, Ph. D." <moodylogan@windstream.net> > To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Noel Logan" <nlogan@wayport.net>; "russ Logan" > <morenise@hotmail.com>; > "Sam Logan" <shl1028@cherokeetel.com>; "Dee Ann Gorham" > <DeeAnn_Gorham@tamu-commerce.edu>; "Susan York" <yorksusan@att.net>; > "Russell Hood Logan" <russell.logan@tx.rr.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY > > >> It was first named Cawhaba Co., and Gov Bibb appointed as administrator, >> or >> what ever they were. >> AL separated from MS so MS could prepare to become a state with the US. >> Bibb was an MD from GA, who had worked in the US Senate for some years >> when >> appt. >> He wanted to establish the capital in the center of the county....(but I >> think I am confusing two time events, now). Anyway, first capital was at >> Cawhaba, until there was a flood of the AL and Cawhaba rivers. >> So, they moved the capital north...(perhaps I am confusing the capital of >> AL >> and him wanting the center of AL, thus Cawhaba. >> >> When the move was north, I know Tuscaloosa did fight to be capital of AL, >> and it may have been for awhile, until it was moved to Montgomery. >> >> As for as Bibb County, that was merely named for Bibb, who died very >> shortly >> after becoming governor. Seems he fell from his horse while visiting his >> home in (Oh, a northern city the name of which excapes me now)...His >> brother >> took over AL gov for Bibb. >> >> anyway, >> Centreville also was establish to be the center of Bibb County. I know >> AL >> was in 1818. >> Bibb County was first Cawhaba Co., and I do not know what year, nor when >> it >> became Bibb. >> John Hunt was one of a three man commission who found the center of the >> county. A lady Chotard, who's french husband had fought for Jackson in >> the >> war of 1812, was awarded a land claim....I think this was in MS, but >> Chotard >> pleaded with Jackson and he awarded her the land that became centreville. >> Two brothers, (well, I suppose they were brothers, surveyed the >> land...their >> name was, >> (I forget at the moment), and I know John Hunt and another man purchased >> the >> first two lots. >> >> The wife of Hunt had the same name as the two surveyors who laid out the >> lots, but I have never been able to establsish kinship. >> When John Hunt died, his wife donated land for the first presbyterian >> church, which at that time was >> where I think the high school is now. But, they later moved it to the >> other >> side of the river, where it now is. >> >> well, that was a good excercise. >> this information came from the book: Bibb County, the first 100 years. >> >> great book and I recommend it. >> >> don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ayers, B. J." <X2BAYERS@southernco.com> >> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <albibb@rootsweb.com>; >> <ALBIBB-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY >> >> >>> >>> QUESTION for anyone??? >>> >>> Was--*BIBB COUNTY* an Original County-(circa-1819-1820), or was is >>> made "from part of TUSCALOOSA County"??? >>> What year formed?? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: albibb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:albibb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:57 AM >>> To: ALBIBB-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY >>> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: Chorton >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.alabama.countie >>> s.bibb/3761.1.1/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Remember to check the "list archives" for all the mail that has been >>> exchanged over the years. You might find the info you are searching for >>> in a previous year's archive. >>> Herman Belcher was a wonderful source of information for the Belcher and >>> related famililes and you will find many of his posts prior to his death >>> several years ago in the archives as well as on the genweb. >>> >>> Also, the web page has a tremendous amount of info - from pictures to >>> cemetery info to family histories - so visit often. >>> >>> RESOURCE PAGE: http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/AL/Bibb/ >>> BIBB COUNTY GENFORUM: http://genforum.genealogy.com/al/bibb/ >>> BIBB COUNTY GENWEB PAGE: http://www.rootsweb.com/~albibb/ >>> ARCHIVE: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ALBIBB/ >>> >>> Caroline Horton, >>> List Administrator >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >>> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >>> above and respond on the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:28:42 -0600 > From: Willis1930@webtv.net > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY > To: albibb@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20742-47B3994A-192@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Pat...Baker Co was first name that the county had, that is now Chilton > Co Al,., it was taken from Autauga. Autauga was first a large county.. > Part of the now Chilton (around Isabella and toward Jemison, was in the > first Cahawba/Bibb County). Mulberry Church (rebuilt very close to old > original one) is now in Chilton Co.,close to Isabella School...but it > was first a log church, built in Cahawba, /Bibb...close to the > settlement/town of Old Maplesville. Stella > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:03:29 -0600 > From: <patcassity@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY > To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <057401c86ebe$8f1663f0$6101a8c0@OWNERS7RC1YEZ1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you for that explanation...it is difficult to keep them in order. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willis1930@webtv.net > To: albibb@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BELCHER'S OF BIBB COUNTY > > > Pat...Baker Co was first name that the county had, that is now Chilton > Co Al,., it was taken from Autauga. Autauga was first a large county.. > Part of the now Chilton (around Isabella and toward Jemison, was in the > first Cahawba/Bibb County). Mulberry Church (rebuilt very close to old > original one) is now in Chilton Co.,close to Isabella School...but it > was first a log church, built in Cahawba, /Bibb...close to the > settlement/town of Old Maplesville. 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