This is just a guess, but probably at Samford University library special collections in Birmingham. They are a Baptist church archives. John John K. Brown jkbrown2@knology.net "Honesty is the Best Policy, but Insanity is a Better Defense." On Thu 07/16/09 7:53 AM , gracieswartz@bellsouth.net sent: > DON, WHERE DID YOU READ THE SCHULTZ CREEK CHURCH MINUTES? ARE THEY IN THE > CENTREVILLLE LIBRARY? GRACE --IN TUSCALOOSA-------------- Original message from "Don Logan" moo > dylogan@windstream.net>: -------------- > > > Melissa, > > thank you for this information. Perhaps I was > merely going back to my own > memory as a child or youngster, where everything > > was separate: movie theatre entrances and seating > areass, public restrooms > etc. I remember as a young lad an uncle and I would > > go across town and stand outside a couple of Black > churches and listen to > them, and once TV began, used to always follow a > couple of Black church > services.... > > > > I have read the Schutz Creek Baptist Church > records, and do not recall > mention of any slaves or Blacks. I was, however, > more involved ihn > searching out some g, g, uncles so could have > missed them. > > > I will read further as you suggested, > > thanks again. > > > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Melissa Hogan" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian > Church/integration > inearly churches > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > Pre-Civil War and even several years following > the War, black slaves and > > whites worshiped in the same churches, but > usually seated in different > > areas. The black slaves were not typically > required to attend the same > > church as the white slave owner and some times > attended another church in > > the area...most slave owners of the period felt > it was their > > duty/responsibility to look after the spiritual > health of the black slaves > > he owned. It was only post-Civil War that > segregation of the races began > > in the churches. I do not recall seeing free > blacks on the church > > registers pre-Civil War, but would not be > suprised to find them as well. > > > > > You will find that the records of Bibb County > churches that have been > > published include both black and white members > ... these membership lists > > can be of crucial significance to those research > pre-Civil War slave > > ancestors. > > > > > > I highly recommend 'Hugh Davis and His Alabama > Plantation" by Weymouth > > Jordan. The plantation was located in Perry > County, adjacent to Bibb... > > Hugh Davis' journals begin in the 1830's and end > with his death in 1862. > > His sons took over the plantation at that time > and the book continues into > > reconstruction until the plantation is finally > sold. The original papers > > of Hugh Davis used for this book are located at > the University of > > Alabama. > > > > > >>From the "Guide to the Hugh Davis papers": > > > http://www.lib.ua.edu/content/findingaids/pdf/ms_1611.pdf > > > > > BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH: > > > Hugh Davis, the son of Nathaniel and Martha > Davis, was born on November > > 22, 1811, in Fayette County, Kentucky. He moved > to Marion, Alabama, in > > 1834 and began a successful career as an > attorney. Davis married Sarah > > Rachel Jones in 1839, and the couple had seven > children. In 1848, Davis > > assumed the management of the Beaver Bend > plantation along the Cahaba > > River, and upon his death in 1862, his sons > continued to farm his land > > holdings. > > > > > > Part of this collection includes: > > > > > > FARM OPERATIONS, 1848-1880 > > > Farm journals consist of six ledgers covering the > years 1848-1854, > > 1854-1856, 1856-1858, 1859-1862, 1862-1866 (the > estate of Hugh Davis), and > > 1880 (N.J. Davis, a son of Hugh Davis). The first > five ledgers contain > > daily entries concerning plantation activities > and crop production written > > by Hugh Davis and his overseers. Also included in > the first five books are > > records of births, sick lists, amounts of cotton > picked by slaves, amount > > of clothing purchased for each slave, records of > profits, weather > > notations, rules for life on the plantation, and > other information. The > > 1856-1858 book includes a list of newspapers > taken by Hugh Davis in 1858. > > The 1862-1866 ledger begins with a detailed > explanation of the system of > > farming at Beaver Bend. The 1880 book, maintained > by N.J. Davis, includes > > notes of purchases made for the plantation, > records of cash accounts, and > > information on individual accounts for workers. > Also included is an > > 1849-1852 large pocket diary > > > containing lists of purchases, lists of accounts, > memorandums, and other > > information and an 1853-1858 large pocket diary > that includes daily > > activities, lists of slaves, lists of purchases, > notes on crop production, > > and records of family births. Also included are > bills of sale for slaves > > and a copy of the 1845 Catechism of Agricultural > Chemistry and Geology by > > James F.W. Johnson. > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:52:14 -0500 > > > From: "Don Logan" > > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in > Presbyterian Church > > > > > thank you for responding to my query. > > > Alaexander is certainly one of the first listed, > and he must have been an > > elder, along with two others: Potts, and Walace > (sic). > > However, there apparently was another Clark > family. > > > > > I am not completely through the document; > however, I have already seen > > where > > > a black...I forget for whom she was enslaved. > > > Still, I thouyght it unbelievable that a black > slave could be baptised and > > accepted into membership in a White Church in the > 1830s. > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > A > LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > A > LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to A > LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >