Grace, I purchased a copy from a "cousin", and I am ashamed I cannot recall his name: Thomas _____ He was related to the Wallace, and, another fairly important family in River Bend, the names escape me at this stage in my life...."besides, as a psycholifer, I was trying to learn the inner being of my patients, not merely their names"....Ha Ha, How easy it is to rationalize as we age.\\ I think that John has a good plan, and I would guess that a copy is in Centreville Brent library. (The author did the translation, and sold a few books for a nominal fee....Someone surely can tell us his name) don ----- Original Message ----- From: <jkbrown2@knology.net> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in PresbyterianChurch/integrationinearly churches > This is just a guess, but probably at Samford University library special > collections in Birmingham. They are a Baptist church archives. > > John > > > John K. Brown > jkbrown2@knology.net > > "Honesty is the Best Policy, but Insanity is a Better Defense." > > > On Thu 07/16/09 7:53 AM , gracieswartz@bellsouth.net sent: >> DON, WHERE DID YOU READ THE SCHULTZ CREEK CHURCH MINUTES? ARE THEY IN >> THE >> CENTREVILLLE LIBRARY? GRACE --IN TUSCALOOSA-------------- Original >> message from "Don Logan" moo >> dylogan@windstream.net>: -------------- >> >> > Melissa, >> > thank you for this information. Perhaps I was >> merely going back to my own > memory as a child or youngster, where >> everything >> > was separate: movie theatre entrances and seating >> areass, public restrooms > etc. I remember as a young lad an uncle and I >> would >> > go across town and stand outside a couple of Black >> churches and listen to > them, and once TV began, used to always follow a >> couple of Black church > services.... >> > >> > I have read the Schutz Creek Baptist Church >> records, and do not recall > mention of any slaves or Blacks. I was, >> however, >> more involved ihn > searching out some g, g, uncles so could have >> missed them. > >> > I will read further as you suggested, >> > thanks again. >> > >> > don >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Melissa Hogan" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:39 AM >> > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian >> Church/integration > inearly churches >> > >> > >> > > Don >> > > >> > > Pre-Civil War and even several years following >> the War, black slaves and > > whites worshiped in the same churches, but >> usually seated in different > > areas. The black slaves were not >> typically >> required to attend the same > > church as the white slave owner and some >> times >> attended another church in > > the area...most slave owners of the period >> felt >> it was their > > duty/responsibility to look after the spiritual >> health of the black slaves > > he owned. It was only post-Civil War that >> segregation of the races began > > in the churches. I do not recall >> seeing free >> blacks on the church > > registers pre-Civil War, but would not be >> suprised to find them as well. > > >> > > You will find that the records of Bibb County >> churches that have been > > published include both black and white >> members >> ... these membership lists > > can be of crucial significance to those >> research >> pre-Civil War slave > > ancestors. >> > > >> > > I highly recommend 'Hugh Davis and His Alabama >> Plantation" by Weymouth > > Jordan. The plantation was located in Perry >> County, adjacent to Bibb... > > Hugh Davis' journals begin in the 1830's >> and end >> with his death in 1862. > > His sons took over the plantation at that >> time >> and the book continues into > > reconstruction until the plantation is >> finally >> sold. The original papers > > of Hugh Davis used for this book are >> located at >> the University of > > Alabama. >> > > >> > >>From the "Guide to the Hugh Davis papers": >> > > http://www.lib.ua.edu/content/findingaids/pdf/ms_1611.pdf > > >> > > BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH: >> > > Hugh Davis, the son of Nathaniel and Martha >> Davis, was born on November > > 22, 1811, in Fayette County, Kentucky. He >> moved >> to Marion, Alabama, in > > 1834 and began a successful career as an >> attorney. Davis married Sarah > > Rachel Jones in 1839, and the couple >> had seven >> children. In 1848, Davis > > assumed the management of the Beaver Bend >> plantation along the Cahaba > > River, and upon his death in 1862, his >> sons >> continued to farm his land > > holdings. >> > > >> > > Part of this collection includes: >> > > >> > > FARM OPERATIONS, 1848-1880 >> > > Farm journals consist of six ledgers covering the >> years 1848-1854, > > 1854-1856, 1856-1858, 1859-1862, 1862-1866 (the >> estate of Hugh Davis), and > > 1880 (N.J. Davis, a son of Hugh Davis). >> The first >> five ledgers contain > > daily entries concerning plantation activities >> and crop production written > > by Hugh Davis and his overseers. Also >> included in >> the first five books are > > records of births, sick lists, amounts of >> cotton >> picked by slaves, amount > > of clothing purchased for each slave, >> records of >> profits, weather > > notations, rules for life on the plantation, and >> other information. The > > 1856-1858 book includes a list of newspapers >> taken by Hugh Davis in 1858. > > The 1862-1866 ledger begins with a >> detailed >> explanation of the system of > > farming at Beaver Bend. The 1880 book, >> maintained >> by N.J. Davis, includes > > notes of purchases made for the plantation, >> records of cash accounts, and > > information on individual accounts for >> workers. >> Also included is an > > 1849-1852 large pocket diary >> > > containing lists of purchases, lists of accounts, >> memorandums, and other > > information and an 1853-1858 large pocket >> diary >> that includes daily > > activities, lists of slaves, lists of purchases, >> notes on crop production, > > and records of family births. Also included >> are >> bills of sale for slaves > > and a copy of the 1845 Catechism of >> Agricultural >> Chemistry and Geology by > > James F.W. Johnson. >> > > >> > > Melissa >> > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:52:14 -0500 >> > > From: "Don Logan" >> > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in >> Presbyterian Church > > >> > > thank you for responding to my query. >> > > Alaexander is certainly one of the first listed, >> and he must have been an > > elder, along with two others: Potts, and >> Walace >> (sic). > > However, there apparently was another Clark >> family. > > >> > > I am not completely through the document; >> however, I have already seen > > where >> > > a black...I forget for whom she was enslaved. >> > > Still, I thouyght it unbelievable that a black >> slave could be baptised and > > accepted into membership in a White >> Church in the >> 1830s. > > >> > > don >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to > > A >> LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to > A >> LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to A >> LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >